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Mets 8, Cardinals 2: Can Jerry Manuel Stay Suspended?

If I were the Mets I would probably appeal Jerry Manuel's suspension which came as a result of his ejection and histrionics in San Francisco. I would bring video evidence and eyewitness accounts of the events. I would solicit expert testimony from folks who understand the appeals process inside and out. I would march into Bud Selig's office and request, nay, demand that Jerry Manuel's suspension be reconsidered and, if at all possible, extended indefinitely.

Not that Dave Jauss actually made any decisions in tonight's game. At least, I hope he didn't. Oh, the win was great, no doubt, but somebody decided to bring Francisco Rodriguez in to an 8-2 game in the ninth inning, and it's the sort of move that has Manuel's fingerprints all over it. I suppose Rodriguez probably needed the work since he wasn't used at all over the weekend in situations of any consequence.

Jon Niese had an interesting outing tonight. He got tons of ground balls -- the majority of them finding David Wright, it seemed -- but he induced just three swinging strikes all night. Hardly dominant, but just one run allowed on seven singles and two walks in six innings. He gave up the run in the first inning, and considering how useless the offense has been of late, a 1-0 deficit to Adam Wainwright seemed almost insurmountable.

But surmount it the Mets did, as the lineup exploded for eight runs on nine hits and five walks. The six runs Wainwright allowed were more than in any previous start this season, with the biggest blow coming in the form of a Jeff Francoeur three-run home run in the fourth. Carlos Beltran's negative energy must have an inverse effect on Francoeur's performance.

The Mets look to make it two in a row when Johan Santana takes on Jaime Garcia on Wednesday night.

Unintentionally sexual quote of the game: "He has holes just like everybody else." -Jon Niese on Albert Pujols (or Poo-Holes). (h/t metsguy234)

Poem by Howard Megdal

After a West Coast trip that was crushing
Mets find their wins, and their runs, back in Flushing
Frenchy hit homer, as his bat went crack
A dozen stories started on how he is "back"
A trade of Niese for an ace you should be dreading
For all that would accomplish is some water-treading

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Big winners: Carlos Beltran, +17.5% WPA, Jon Niese, +14.9% WPA
Big losers: Jose Reyes, -3.8% WPA, Luis Castillo, -2.4% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Francoeur three-run home run in fourth, +19.3% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Ludwick RBI (infield) single in first, -9.5% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: +32.8% WPA
Total batter WPA: +17.2% WPA
GWRBI!: Jeff Francoeur

Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by CTRefJay; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

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1 CTRefJay 106
2 fxcarden 89
3 Gina 78
4 Michkin 70
5 deadspy3 67
6 Syler 67
7 aparkermarshall 52
8 Ballonthewall 46
9 Jadden Hopkins 41
10 NetsMets4Life 36

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Good win, especially considering it came at the expense of Wainwright

We’re going to need to win 4/5 on the rest of this homestand if we’re serious about getting back in the playoff hunt

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jul 27, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

punk'd

Consequences will never be the same.

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 27, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea how can you be serious

And bring Ollie back and keep Jerry

by Sir Tmac on Jul 27, 2010 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm talking about the team itself

I know management isn’t

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jul 27, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will give you that the team is taking it seriously

Especially giving the handicap that management has put on them

by Sir Tmac on Jul 27, 2010 10:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

for something almost positive. It’s refreshing, considering how badly this team is run.

by enigma2029 on Jul 27, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

For your leap of faith of comment, even though it might be into a pit or the newly discovered black hole called ‘TNE’

"The Mets have shown me more ways to lose than I even know existed" -Casey Stengel

by cuseindahuse on Jul 28, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dave Jauss is the man

Clearly Jerry just needs to stay away from now on

/punk’d for a night

by metsman07 on Jul 27, 2010 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I am starting to think that the Dolan and the WIlpon's

Where Caught together by Isaiah Thomas and Jerry Manual

by Sir Tmac on Jul 28, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watching the recap now

Wow, didn’t hit me that Wright fielded like 10 outs tonight. Mitigates the Ole and bad throw i guess.

by FrancoTAU on Jul 27, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

zackly, Howie

the first two innings were Wright highlights

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 27, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beltran Sucks

Oh wait, no he doesn’t.

I remember people saying he wasn’t any good and hurt the team.

by jefferiessuck on Jul 27, 2010 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Jefferies sucks!

Beltran, on the other hand…

It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy

by CTRefJay on Jul 27, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tough Call

Castillo or Jeffries?

Or maybe Cora?

by jefferiessuck on Jul 27, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot that Reyes can occasionally second-deck a ball

when he feels like it. That was fun to see

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Jul 27, 2010 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

what's kind of funny..and kind of sad

is that for all his struggles, and all the time he’s missed with injuries, he now has one more than Jason Bay.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 27, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even sadder only one of them is currently on pace for their typical season

And it’s the one who has missed 1/3 of the season

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage

by blueandorange4life on Jul 28, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

That franchise is cursed

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jul 27, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and we're cursed

cause now there’s no way we’ll swap him with frenchy

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 27, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rumors of having to pitch for the Mets

can provoke severe stress-related autoimmune responses. NEJM article forthcoming.

by tmu on Jul 28, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uhh...
Seriously, isn’t Ollie on the roster for specifically this situation? Maybe not for do or die situations, since he is so bad he’s not allowed to pitch in the rotation?

I don’t think he’s even allowed to pitch in a wiffle-ball league.

2010: Year of the Grission

In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!

by R_Adragna on Jul 27, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. This is exactly when Perez should be getting into a game.

99% of the time you find out that he can’t get hitters out, but at least you find that out and DFA him without him costing he team actual, you know, wins.

by Jack Str on Jul 28, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT

but how the heck has Adam Wainwright got twenty decisions so far this season!?

by deadspy3 on Jul 27, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

his game log is actually insane

here
2 no decisions, in 2-0 and 2-1 losses (bullpen blows it both times, I think). Other than that, a loss for every times he’s given up 4 runs (3 times), one tonight (6 runs, most all season), and two losses where the cards didn’t score.

Also, 14 wins. The dude is pretty awesome. 19 quality starts in 22 starts, counting tonight.

by enigma2029 on Jul 27, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

A really good season so far. Curse him.

by deadspy3 on Jul 27, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wainwright's a hell of a pitcher.

Strange that the team’s bats woke up against a guy on a HOF career path.

by Jack Str on Jul 28, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perversity

Your 2010 New York Mets.

by deadspy3 on Jul 28, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not strange

considering it was at home. Although the home/road splits are a tad strange.

by tmu on Jul 28, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happy for Voltron

Maybe our %*$%ing idiot fans won’t boo him tomorrow.

First time the guy has played all year because the organization mishandled him, and they boo him.

Absolutely classless.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jul 27, 2010 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

They booed for real?

I missed the game. That’s disappointing, but not surprising. Trash fanbase.

by James Kannengieser on Jul 27, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was at the game

Didn’t notice any booing.

by Mount17 on Jul 27, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pre-game introductions

Audible booing

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jul 27, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, what douchebags

I’m going to assume Francoeur didn’t get any booing?

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jul 28, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just awful.

What a horrible showing by the fans.

"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt

by Brian. on Jul 28, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't hear any booing through the tv,

but it was pathetic he didn’t get at least a very loud cheer from the crowd to welcome him back. My best friend, a Yankees fan, couldn’t understand why Mets fans didn’t cheer for him. Idiots.

by lefty vs lefty on Jul 28, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols has holes like everybody else

and Dickey will be sure to find them.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jul 28, 2010 12:20 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

HOW DARE YOU! His smile can cure cancer

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Jul 28, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, he won.

Did Wainwright throw Beltran any curveballs? And, if so, did he hit them?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 28, 2010 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

lol i actually think he took the only one i saw

for a called first strike.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 28, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny stuff, though...

From the Jason Bay out with “mild concussion” thread :

Why no Carter against the righty?

No one actually thinks Failcore will get a hit against Wainwright?

by jefferiessuck on Jul 27, 2010 2:43 PM PDT reply actions

i think he might accidently.

by Gina on Jul 27, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s more likely to have an “accident” in his pants against Wainwright

by AnthonyR on Jul 27, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
poop jokes…

gotta love em

by Mike Clemente on Jul 27, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Talk about foreshadowing. hahah!!

by BrockRocks on Jul 28, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice. Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 28, 2010 1:06 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

My fave Hacksaw moment ever

was when he was in Britain fighting a English wrestler and got the crowd to do a loud USA chant.

by FrancoTAU on Jul 28, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hacksaw is definitely win

You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.

by Kevin H on Jul 28, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lucas Duda had another homer today

Do we think about bringing him up? I guess not unless Bay goes on the DL. I can’t see them platooning Bay with his contract.

by FrancoTAU on Jul 28, 2010 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Brett Myers threw a gem for Houston last night

CG, 9 innings, 4 hits, 1 run (1 ER), 1 BB, 12 Ks. His ERA is down to 3.04.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on Jul 28, 2010 2:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Houston isn't a bandbox

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 28, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, i guess it's a neutral park on average

It’s just wildly changed over the years from being a homer friendly when it opened and last year it was a place fly balls went to die.

by FrancoTAU on Jul 28, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was like that the year before too I think

I remember it made Wolf’s numbers all crazy

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 28, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

DUDA

Franco- you point out something interesting- doesn’t it seem like the Mets always have some overpaid underachiever blocking whatever good prospects they do have due to a huge salary? Lots of OF talent in the minors yet not a whisper about promoting Duda or Kirk N. (they do promote from AA- Evans & Murphy are examples).

by MDMETSFAN on Jul 28, 2010 7:19 AM EDT reply actions  

MYERS

Brock- do you really think the Astros would do that? I think even the Mets fans who dislike Myers from his Phillies days would approve. Don’t know if it’s good or bad Francouer homered last night- does that increase his trade value or will the Mets sell it as him coming around & getting hot?

by MDMETSFAN on Jul 28, 2010 7:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Dude. It's a joke.

I wasn’t being serious about it. wow.

by BrockRocks on Jul 28, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Myers thing is tough for me

I have no issues rooting for most players who were rivals but now on my team, that is how the game is, I get over it [not you though Tommy]. However, all that stuff with violence against his wife or girlfriend, I don’t know. Ceterus Peribus I would obviously prefer to not root for that type of guy. It’s like I can just never enjoy it, even when things are going well. A good friend of mine is a Rams fan and talked about that everytime Little got a sack.

by Bruce Wayne on Jul 28, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm willing to blame his abuse of his girlfriend on his being a Phillie

It corrupts you, like how the One Ring corrupted Gollum and was starting to corrupt Bilbo and then Frodo. Now that he’s no longer wearing that uniform every day, he has total control of his mind and body again, and he’s probably a pretty good guy. This is why the whole Phillies roster needs to be thrown into the fires of Mount Doom.

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Jul 28, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

yay

so this team won at home. Can’t win on the road, no point in trying for the playoffs! A win’s a win, I guess.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Jul 28, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

BUTSEE

We would have HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE in the World Series. THIS ONE COUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

by tmu on Jul 28, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately we wouldn't have it through out the play-offs

so it wouldn’t matter

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

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