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Mets Farm Q&A With 'Baseball America' Editor Jim Callis

'Baseball America' Executive Editor Jim Callis was kind enough to give me some time last week and answer some of the most burning questions surrounding the Mets minor league system. The following was our chat:

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As an 18 year old currently batting .373 in Hi-A, has Wilmer Flores clearly moved into the overall #1 slot in the Mets farm system and has he done enough in your eyes to be considered a premium, Grade A prospect?

JC: If we were doing a Top 100 Prospects list now, Flores would rank around 50. I know he struggled last year in low A, but he was also 17. He has a chance to have a very good bat down the road. He's not going to be a shortstop, and he may be more of an outfielder than a third baseman, but he'll have enough bat wherever he winds up.

Seemingly the forgotten man this year, does Fernando Martinez still have what it takes to reach the lofty goals Mets officials and fans alike once had for him?

JC: I never understood why the Mets pushed him so aggressively, and he never has put up big numbers in the minors outside of a 46-game stretch in low Class A four years ago. I think it's time to revise expectations to solid regular at best, and even that's not a lock.

Kirk Niuewenhuis is certainly looking more and more like a major leaguer everyday, but what level of player do you currently project?

JC: Nieuwenhuis continues to boost his stalk, continuing to hit after the jump to Double-A. I think he's more of a solid regular than a future star, a corner outfielder with 20-20 upside. His strike-zone discipline is a concern, and I don't think he really covers enough ground to play a major league center field. But he's a good prospect, no question.

What's your take on the whole 'Mejia to the bullpen' thing? Does it affect his development or his long-term role?

JC: It shouldn't affect him long term unless the Mets start jerking around him, shuttling him back and forth from the bullpen to the rotation and from the minors to Triple-A. He could wind up being a reliever in the long run, but it would be silly not to try to turn him into a quality starter.

Finish this thought, "In 5 years, Josh Thole is..."

JC: A backup catcher. Thole is a good contact hitter but he doesn't do anything else well enough to project as a big league starter.

The system as a whole has seen a big step back in terms of it's top pitchers, how concerned are you about guys like Jeurys Famila, Kyle Allen & Eric Niesen?

JC: None of those guys was really an elite prospect coming into the year, though they were among the best in the Mets system. Familia is still throwing hard but he still hasn't come up with any consistency in terms of his secondary pitches or command. Allen and Niesen have seen their command really go backward, and that's more alarming.

And then there's Brad Holt; what happened? What sort of major league role (if any) do you see for him long term?

JC: Holt wasn't good in Double-A last year, perhaps because he hurt his ankle after his first start, but that can't be the reason he has been awful for most of this year, necessitating a demotion to Double-A. He has one of the better arms in the system, but he's more thrower than pitcher and still needs to learn there's more about pitching than velocity. I wonder if he's going to be more than a reliever in the long run.

What can you tell us about the hard-throwing young lefty Juan Urbina?

JC: If it all comes together, he'll have a plus fastball and changeup to go with a solid slider down the road. He has one of the higher ceilings in the system.

What was your feeling on the selection of Matt Harvey in the draft?

JC: My sense was that of all the guys on the board, the Mets liked Arkansas third baseman Zack Cox the best, but his extra leverage as a sophomore-eligible and his high asking price scared them off. That said, Harvey isn't the typical Mets slot draft pick, as he's advised by the Boras Corp. After an inconsistent first two years in college, he was much more consistent last year and was arguably the best college righthander in the draft. I'm not completely sold on him based on all that inconsistency, and I could see him winding up in the bullpen down the road, but it's nice to see the Mets take a guy based on more than just slotability.

The trio of Eric Campbell, Sean Ratliff & Lucas Duda have all seemed to figure it out this season, at or above Double-A no less; is it fair to expect any (or all) of these guys to be players in the major leagues? How about potential trade chips?

JC: I wouldn't go that far. They're all older guys having nice years, but none of them have hit like this in the past and all play positions with a big premium on offense. I'd want to see it again next year before I'd even call any of them solid regulars on a good team. They might be a piece to a trade, but more as a complement and not as guys who would be the centerpiece of a package for a big name.

I have to ask about A.A.'s favorite invisible man, Nick Evans; has he gotten as raw a deal as we seem to think he has?

JC: He's like those other guys you just mentioned, more of an older offense-only guy who doesn't really project as a regular. He has a better track record than Campbell, Duda or Ratliff, but he's a righthanded-hitting first baseman with average power, and there's not a huge market for that.

Can you give me the name of a sleeper in this system you like to climb the ranks, this year or beyond, as well as your most overrated Mets prospect?

JC: My sleeper coming into the year would have been Kyle Allen, but that's not working out too well. So let's go with third baseman Aderlin Rodriguez, who's tearing up the Appy League and hasn't gotten much hype yet. The Mets system doesn't really have a lot of guys get overhyped. If I have to pick an overrated guy, I'd say Fernando Martinez or Brad Holt. I don't know if either guy is ever going to figure it all out.

And finally, where would you rate the Mets farm system as a whole? Strengths? Weaknesses?

JC: It's mediocre. It ranks in the bottom third among farm systems, and that's the result of going cheap in the draft for so many years, which is just inexplicable considering the Mets' resources. They've also been less aggressive international than they were at the start of Omar Minaya's reign. The strength of the system is international players, as Flores and Mejia are the clear blue-chippers in the system. I don't think they've built up particular depth at any position, and they don't have much in the way of solid big league contributors who are ready to step in.

Well that about wraps it up. Thanks so much for your input on all things Mets minors Jim. I know you guys are always really busy over at BA so I really appreciate the time. As always, keep up the good work!

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Well that's a rosy picture, ain't it?

Where’s all this “hope for the future” palaver coming from, then?

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Jul 28, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

People tend to be myopic about the minors

and only look at their own players, rather than those on other teams. Every team has slightly older guys who get on hot streaks. These corner OF/1B/DH types with solid, though not astonishing power are fairly common. It’s clear that, to me, this guy wants youth combined with sustained performance before he’s going to get too excited about a prospect. Makes sense, but it does tend to demand a lot more of college players, e.g., very rapid adjustment to the wooden bat and more frequent games. It’s no wonder the international players look better in his eyes — they started a lot earlier.

For a guy like Ratliff, however, how long has he had in the bigs to provide “sustained performance”? Just because he was drafted at a slightly older age does not mean that he has a low ceiling. I think Callis is just being conservative, and the truth is, we still don’t know.

by tmu on Jul 28, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with playing it conservative on Ratliff

He strikes out way too much against competition he probably should be overmatching. He hasn’t really flashed any signs of plus power until this year, and if there’s one positive offensive habitat for minor league hitters in the Mets system, its hitting lefty in Bingo. I’m not ready to buy that a guy with a .180 career ISO against younger competition has suddenly jumped that mark .050 points, and his other component skills haven’t really changed enough to make me believe he’s made a major adjustment. He still has 101 strikeouts and just 24 walks across the two levels this year, its just hard to imagine him translating his skills even if the power is legitimate with that lack of discipline.

The older guy who I am willing to buy into is Lucas Duda. He already had an intriguing skillset in place before this year, just missing the one cliched skill for his position: power. Its easier to buy into his ISO jump because: A) It happened while he was in Bingo, not after he was promoted, B) it got even bigger when he went to Buffalo, and C) we have about 500-550 PAs of sustained sample size with Duda (he posted about a .210 ISO in the second half of 2009). I mean, he’s not a .360 ISO guy like he has now in Buffalo, but he appears to have legitimately made the jump to .200+, and with his selectiveness its much easier to believe that’ll carry over to the majors at some point. I remember discussing him as a fringe guy with Eric about a year ago and Eric dropping Kevin Youkilis as a guy who came up old for his leagues with a good walk rate and late blooming power. Obviously, that’s an unfair expectation, especially because Duda is doing it as a lefty batter with a major platoon issue, but its a much more realistic best-case-scenario than it was a year and a half ago. Of course, he’ll never get a chance in the Mets system either, at least not unless Ike Davis totally fails or Jason Bay needs to miss significant time, since those are the only positions he can passably play. Still, if his stock was for sale, I’d be buying.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Jul 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Solid point Mark

How do you feel about Campbell?

by Coolpapabell on Jul 28, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

At the beginning of the season, we were all thinking “ha, the ratings systems have it wrong, our farm is actually pretty good”, and then this. Blegh.

by deadspy3 on Jul 28, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems to have taken a big hit, hasn't it.

None of the pitchers took a big step forward, and some fell apart.
Fern has largely dropped out of the picture with another very weak season.
Tejada came up and couldn’t hit for anything, dampening his prospects.
Evans wasn’t able to battle his way into the picture at AAA.
Murphy’s had a catastrophic season.
None of the minor leaguers who had strong seasons are young enough to be real prospects.
Havens still can’t stay healthy.
Davis was a very promising prospect after his great 2009, came up and had a great April, but all told has been one of the worst-hitting 1bmen in the majors. His stock may not have dropped, but I’d say it’s gone sideways rather than up.

If the Mets were roughly 15th among organizations for their minor leaguers before the season started I’d say they’ve dropped a few slots as of today.

There’s Flores, I guess. And Thole hasn’t hurt his case.

by Jack Str on Jul 29, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nieuwenhuis's stats are okay

though his walk rate is poor and his K/BB ratio isn’t promising. I guess you could move him from a B- to a B…

by Jack Str on Jul 29, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nieuwenhuis'

“stalk”????

Paging Dr. Freud. . . . .

by tmu on Jul 28, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure Dickey's stalk is boosted though.

I’m both glad and unsurprised that this jumped out of the article.

by Kepler on Jul 28, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd!

Any fart joke should be rec’d…

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Jul 28, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops!

Did you rec that, or was that one me?

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 28, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly...

there’s almost no propreitary info in here.

just a lot of cliches, lot of the same generic info.

nothing like, “i saw him last week and noticed x, y, and z”

also, BA continues to ignore the fact that getting on base is a tool, and one that thole should have in spades.

anyhow, i much prefer klaw and goldstein to BA, and this does nothing to change my mind.

by firejerrymanuel on Jul 28, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Goldstein is the man

I would have to agree that the interview was pretty canned. It was good to see how others see our system.

That said, I think he was a bit too kind with Brad Holt. He was sort of off the mark to be honest. Any one else find this strange?

“He has one of the better arms in the system, but he’s more thrower than pitcher and still needs to learn there’s more about pitching than velocity. I wonder if he’s going to be more than a reliever in the long run.”

He no longer has one of the better arms in the system. He hasn’t for the last two years. Without his velocity he has nothing. Speaking of his velocity, where did it go?

by Coolpapabell on Jul 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well he didn't really ignore it

Thole gets on base because of his contact not because of plate discipline so much. he doesn’t walk at a particularly high rate he just hits a lot of singles. Which can be hard to sustain when making the jump to the majors.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walk rates?

I’m seeing 13.3% in 2007, 11.2% in 2008, 9.5 % in 2009, 11.5 % in 2010. The walk rate appears to be sticking as he progresses (with ever-so-slightly-upward-ticking slugging/wOBA numbers).

by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Jul 28, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

more reasons to fire Omar
JC: It’s mediocre. It ranks in the bottom third among farm systems, and that’s the result of going cheap in the draft for so many years, which is just inexplicable considering the Mets’ resources. They’ve also been less aggressive international than they were at the start of Omar Minaya’s reign.

this is inexcusable. unless the directive is coming straight from the Wilpons, this is tragic, blatant and obvvious mismanagement of resources. a child could allocate funds more affectively. HOW IS THIS HAPPENEING?

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Jul 28, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Thats so he can have the 3 36 to pay Ollie

If he put 10 0r 15 down on the farms and only gave Ollie 3 21 or so that is at least 2 or 3 of those over slot guys

by Sir Tmac on Jul 28, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't mean to be an ass

actually, i do.

if you think this policy is coming from omar, you’re absolutely retarded.

by firejerrymanuel on Jul 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ownership is just as guilty for that 3 36

I know the WIlpon’s have always been cheap, with Bad baseball decisions ever since Fred Got Majority Control of it

by Sir Tmac on Jul 28, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, well thanks for your honesty

i really appreciate it. i think its a big step for both of us, really.

anyway, whatever, the wilpons should sell the team if they cant stop acting like clowns and omar should still be fired for not doing more to influence front office policy. and whomever is at fault, this strategery is still effed all the way through.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Jul 28, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh I doubt Omar is deciding how much money they can spend on international and the draft

I imagine we’ve increased our spending like 10x since Omar took over in those departments.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 28, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thole.. backup catcher?

I really don’t think so. He’s going to be a starter. His defensive skills should be mediocre, and he clearly is a very good contact hitter with very good patience. There’s not a whole lot of catchers who hit at all let alone ones who can hit for average and are as patient as Thole. I think it is reasonable for Thole to hit .280/.350/.400.

by Adam F. on Jul 28, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously.

If Paul LoDuca or Mike LaVallier can stick, Thole should be able to stick.

by Coolpapabell on Jul 28, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

His bat will be too good to keep on the bench and we'll live with the defense

He profiles so much better than the average hitting catcher it’s ridiculous.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Jul 28, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

His defence in this go-around (extremely SSS admittedly) has seemed great

by deadspy3 on Jul 28, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh I understand his concern

I’m pretty sure high contact is one of the harder skills to translate from the minors to the majors. And that’s really Thole’s only skill of note at this point.

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 28, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's SSS, but Thole is making great contact in the majors in 09/10

The problem is contact skill is also tied into the most variable result stat (BA). I’d be equally unsurprised if Thole hit 310 the rest of the way just to hit 260 next year. 290 the year after, etc. He either needs to walk a bunch or learn to be an average defensive real quick if he decides to hit 260

Defense, Power, speed and Walks are much more consistent so scouts or prospect reviewers are always going to go with this toolset.

by FrancoTAU on Jul 28, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, that was depressing

I like having all this information about the minor leagues just wish it was better news.

When I was a kid my minor league news was a friend telling me the Mets had a couple guys named Mookie and Hubie that would be coming up some day.

blurgh! - me

by blains2000 on Jul 28, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

This.

That may have been the most “just ’scuse me while I cut my throat” article I’ve read about the Mets in the last two years, and that’s saying something. I think my Optimism Score just flatlined.

by Kepler on Jul 28, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a bummer

if flores stays healthy maybe 2013 and meija hopefully by 2012. i still hope that havens continues to improve and until yesterday stinson looked good.

by bob c on Jul 28, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

bleh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bVJ5Z97aO0

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jul 28, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Evans

All of that is true, plus the fact that he destroys lefties and can probably play left or right. His ability to hit lefties alone means he should have a spot on ANY ML roster. I’m not sure a prospect evaluator really understands this as that skill never makes you a legit prospect. Oh well, the Mets don’t understand it either.

ain't had enough...

by BlackOps on Jul 28, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

And he's playing 3rd now

which only helps. And he can be the elusive third catcher that Jerry craves.

by deadspy3 on Jul 28, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got to give the Nick credit for trying

(even though he’s never actually played an inning of pro ball as a catcher).

by Jack Str on Jul 29, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

We all know Evans has *never* hit AAA or ML pitching, right?

His best OPS in the majors was 706, two years ago. In AAA it was 693 in all of 261 plate appearances.

I’m all for seeing Evans up in the corner sub and pinch hitter, mash-a-lefthander role, but the chances that he’ll ever actually be a major league regular have to be around one percent.

Sacrilege, I know.

by Jack Str on Jul 29, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

his ops vs lefties was .800

I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson

by Gina on Jul 29, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

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