Knuckling Under With Two Speeds: RA Dickey's Two Knuckleballs
Figure 1: A Four pitch strikeout of Matt Kemp
At this point, it should be clear that the Mets owe a lot, if not the entire season, to R.A. Dickey's ace-like performance. RA's is fun as hell to watch. He throws one pitch roughly 83% of the time (the knuckleball) and his other pitch (his fastball) is perfectly mediocre. Now to be fair, it's not as if the knuckleball is a typical pitch; as you can see on the graph below (and in my prior article on Dickey), the pitch has the ability to move in any of the four normal directions "up" down, in, or away. Thus a hitter, knowing that a knuckleball is coming, really doesn't know anything whatsoever about how the oncoming pitch is going to move.
Figure 2: The Movement Graph of Dickey's Pitches this year.
To Read:
Vertical Movement: The amount of inches the ball drops/"rises" as compared to how we would expect gravity to make a pitch drop. So a fastball with Positive 10 Vertical Movement "RISES" 10 inches more than it should if gravity was the only force acting on it and a curveball with -10 Vertical Movement drops 10 inches more than a pitch thrown that is just acted on by gravity.
Horizontal Movement: The graph is from the view of a catcher or umpire behind home plate. So a pitch that's on the left side of the graph (and has "negative horizontal movement") moves in on righties and away from lefties. A pitch that's on the right side of the graph moves in on lefties and away from righties.
Legend for this Graph and All Subsequent Graphs:
Fastballs = Red Dots
Slow Knuckleballs = Blue Dots
Fast Knuckleballs = Green Dots
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Of course, Dickey has no idea where his knuckleball is going to go either. But that doesn't mean that the knuckleball is simply a pitch you can fire-and-forget. Dickey does control one aspect of the pitch, its speed. Dickey, as you may have heard in articles or just through GKR's commentary, throws both a soft slower knuckleball and a "hard" faster knuckleball. What's especially interesting is how he uses these two-speeds and how effective each speed has been.
So far this year Dickey has thrown 224 fastballs, 470 slow knuckleballs, and 589 fast knuckleballs. I've made the cutoff for slow and fast knuckleballs 76 MPH*; knuckleballs faster than 76 MPH I've classified** as fast knuckleballs while pitches slower than that mark are classified** as slow knuckleballs.
*The cutoff point was not set arbitrarily if anyone's curious. I looked at the amount of knuckleballs thrown at each velocity and found that the resulting graph results in a bimodal distribution and the midpoint between the two peaks is roughly 76MPH.
** One obvious caveat here about this analysis is that I cannot tell from this data what Dickey's INTENTIONS are with each pitch. It is totally possible (and fairly likely) that several of the pitches I have classified as "slow knuckleballs" were intended by Dickey to instead be the harder, faster variety. That said, this shouldn't have much effect on the findings of this article.
First let's look at how Dickey tends to use these three pitches:
|
Balls |
Strikes |
# of Pitches Thrown in that Count |
% Fastballs |
%Slow Knuckleballs |
%Fast Knuckleballs |
Average Knuckleball MPH |
|
|
0 |
0 |
344 |
18.31% |
63.08% |
18.61% |
74.3 |
|
|
0 |
1 |
157 |
3.19% |
14.65% |
82.17% |
77.89 |
|
|
0 |
2 |
84 |
2.38% |
5.95% |
91.67% |
79.23 |
|
|
1 |
0 |
142 |
35.21% |
50% |
14.79% |
74.24 |
|
|
1 |
1 |
130 |
4.62% |
38.46% |
56.92% |
76.36 |
|
|
1 |
2 |
123 |
5.69% |
0.81% |
93.50% |
79.45 |
|
|
2 |
0 |
46 |
52.17% |
45.65% |
2.17% |
73.5 |
|
|
2 |
1 |
70 |
24.29% |
57.14% |
18.57% |
74.27 |
|
|
2 |
2 |
107 |
7.48% |
19.63% |
72.90% |
77.62 |
|
|
3 |
0 |
11 |
81.82% |
18.18% |
0% |
70.55 |
|
|
3 |
1 |
32 |
78.13% |
18.75% |
3.13% |
74.41 |
|
|
3 |
2 |
37 |
21.62% |
35.14% |
43.24% |
76.22 |
|
Table 1: The breakdown of Dickey's pitch selection by count as well as the average speed of knuckleballs thrown in a particular count. I've bolded for emphasis any knuckleball %s 50% or higher.
This chart shows the breakdown of Dickey's pitch selection based upon the ball-strike count. What we can see here is very interesting. When Dickey is either falling behind a batter or it's a 0-0 count, he uses the slow knuckleball most of the time. Thus, on 0-0, 1-0, 2-0, and 2-1 counts, if Dickey throws a knuckleball it will be of the slow variety.
However, if Dickey is AHEAD of a batter, he switches to the fast knuckleball. Essentially, it seems that the fast variety of the knuckleball is what he considers his out pitch. And when it comes to certain very pitcher friendly counts, such as 0-2, 1-2, 0-1, and 2-2, he nearly ALWAYS is going to throw the hard knuckler. If you look at the chart's last column, you can see that on 0-2 and 1-2 counts, he manages to get his knuckleball on average to be above 79MPH, which is really really fast for a knuckleball.
Incidentally, a great example of this sort of pitch selection can be seen in the graphic on the top of this article. That's the four pitches he threw to strike out Matt Kemp in his last start. The first pitch (in blue) was a slow knuckleball taken for a called strike. The next three pitches were fast knuckleballs that Dickey used to finish off Kemp, which he did so successfully.
Now, why has Dickey used the fast knuckleball more or less exclusively in these pitchers' counts? Well to see that we need to look at the effectiveness of Dickey's three pitches.
|
Pitch Type |
Run Value Above Average (RVAA) Negative = Good |
RVAA per 100 Pitches Negative = Good |
Whiff % |
Swing % |
Swinging Strike % |
Ground Ball % |
In the Strike Zone %* |
|
FAST |
-6.91 |
-3.09 |
4.4% |
40.63% |
1.79% |
53.85% |
71.88% |
|
KN-FA |
-12.12 |
-2.06 |
23.24% |
57.72% |
13.41% |
58.4% |
70.12% |
|
KN-SLO |
+1.17 |
+0.25 |
17.53% |
41.28% |
7.23% |
48.72% |
72.34% |
Table 2: Performance of Dickey's three pitches this year. Once again, do note that for RVAA, the more negative the value, the better for a pitcher.
*This category does not mean that all of these pitches were not called for balls. For example, on slow knuckleballs, Dickey actually gets called for a ball 38% of the time, the most by a good bit of any of his pitches. The reason seems to be that low knuckleballs in the zone are being called balls more often than they should. Still, I figure such umpire errors will even out over the long run and come closer to the In the Strike Zone %s.
Now this paints an interesting picture. Before I talk about this chart, I need to be clear on one point: Don't overvalue the first two columns. Yes, Dickey's fastball seems to be an amazing pitch; in fact FanGraphs (which has slightly different numbers than mine) has it as the 2nd best fastball in baseball. But the reason for that should be obvious: Dickey's fastball is so "effective" because he 1) uses it on counts when a hitter is unlikely to swing, so it's not punished very often and 2) uses it so infrequently as to surprise hitters expecting the knuckleball. So don't go looking at this chart and start asking why Dickey doesn't throw more fastballs.
Similarly, the run value of Dickey's slow knuckleball does not necessarily mean that he should be throwing less of them. One reason is that Dickey throws it in almost always in hitter's counts. This means that if he misses with the slow knuckleball, it's going to result in a worse value for Dickey than if he misses with the fast knuckleball because with the slow knuckleball a miss will result in a walk or a three-ball count fairly frequently. By contrast, a miss with the fast knuckleball is more likely to result in a 1-2 or 2-2 count, which isn't that bad of a change for a pitcher. This results in the fast knuckleball's run value being inflated while the slow knuckleball's value takes a hit.
Another reason for the weakness of Dickey's slower knuckler is quite simply that the very existence of such a pitch makes his fast knuckleball more effective. The fast knuckleball gets to home plate .050 seconds faster than the slow knuckleball, so a hitter expecting the latter (because he's seen it early in the count) is likely to swing late on the faster knuckleball, resulting in either a swing and a miss or just bad contact. So if Dickey threw the slow knuckleball less often, his fast knuckleball's performance might fall off.
STILL, despite the last two paragraphs, it is pretty clear from the table that the fast knuckleball has been VERY effective this year and is certainly a better pitch than the slow knuckleball. Dickey's Whiff % (the amount of times Batters miss when they swing at a pitch) for the fast knuckleball is very good, making it perfect for an out pitch. Moreover, Batters swing at the pitch pretty frequently, though that might just be because Dickey throws the pitch most often in 2 strike counts, where batters are more likely to swing. Moreover, the pitch gets a really good ground ball rate of 58.2%, which is not just better than his slow knuckleball by quite a bit but is just really really good in general. The end result is that Dickey is able to use the pitch so that even if batters DO make contact, they aren't able to get extra base hits.
CONCLUSION:
It's amazing the success Dickey has had this year, but this analysis makes it clear how he's doing it: He's been getting hitters into good counts by throwing the soft knuckleball when hitters are more likely to take a pitch and then is surprising them with the hard knuckleball. So I guess the only question might be: Can he keep doing it?
I'm going to say: Yes, he can. It'll be hard for hitters to adapt to the faster knuckler because A) it's movement is still unpredictable and B) I think it's harder for hitters to adjust from scouting reports to the idea that a pitch will be five MPH faster than to simply adjust for a certain pitch always being in the same location. Moreover, while he's never had this much success before, his pitching is clearly different this year. Last year he was less accurate with his knuckleball (63% In Zone rate compared to over 70% this year) and just as importantly, he didn't have the ability to change speeds as effectively. While last year he seemed to be able to throw a little bit harder knuckleball in good counts, it wasn't a clearly distinct separate pitch from his slower knuckleball. This year it is a distinct separate pitch, and it's allowed him to beat hitters like he could never do before.
Knuckleball pitchers are unpredictable, and it's certainly possible that RA will have a string of starts where he can't find the zone. But I'm sure, as sure as I can be with a knuckleballer, that RA is likely to still be a pretty good pitcher for the Mets this year and maybe for the future if we can lock him up for a few more years.
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Fantastic Stuff
I really like that first table. Thanks a lot, I really apperciate and enjoy your work.
If i had to guess
Dickey is willing to throw the fastball often on 3-0 and 3-1 because there’s a good chance the batter won’t swing. On 3-2, the batter is far more likely to swing and he doesn’t want to get burned as much by throwing a fastball (hell I’m surprised he throws the fastball so much on 3-1 counts). And it works.
Nice piece
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
Great research man.
Sorry I don’t have much to add, just wanted to give some props for a fangraph worthy article. You should submit to their user submitted columns.
I still think that garik16 should be a front page writer
Really dude, you even deserve to get paid for these great pieces. You deserve to be part of something bigger than SBN, maybe ESPN or SI or Baseball America or something.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
Fantastic analysis
I really love Dickey. Pause. He’s been by far my favorite thing about this season to date. I’m really hoping he sticks around and can continue to be effective for years to come – Wakefield has made a career out of it for the Red Sox, and from what I can tell, Dickey actually has the potential to be better than Wakefield, b/c of the mixture of his two knucklers and his better fastball (funny to be talking about potential with a 35 year old, but knucklers can pretty much pitch forever).
2009 Did Not Happen
This is really excellant work, thanks for quantifying
everything we are seeing from Dickey. Just saw him today and he was fantastic to watch, totally overpowered the Cardinals
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
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by blueandorange4life on Jul 29, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
The Thinking Man's Knuckleballer
Even within his arcane space, R.A. seems to be a pitcher rather than just a thrower. On top of that, he’s an engaging personality and good with a quote.
by ColoradoMetsFan on Jul 30, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
Here you go

The drop in the middle are points at 75.5, 76.0, 76.5
Graph excludes data from Dickey’s start yesterday
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Awesome
Both to your article and to RA Dickey
Amazing analysis
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 30, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
Looks like a Jackson Pollack
Pelfrey, Niese, Dickey, Santana sure sounds like a great playoff rotation, don't it? Let's Go Mets!
"I have no idea where the ball is going to go or when it is going to get there."
That’s a really, really tough thing for a batter to deal with.
Is this true:
Of course, Dickey has no idea where his knuckleball is going to go either.
That’s obviously right early on, but as the game progresses, can’t he tinker a bit with release points or something?
Not really
His aim is generally in around the same place for every pitch, what makes up the difference mostly is the movement on the pitch…which he doesn’t control.
His release points remain constant.
I guess he's immune to tipping his pitches as well then...
And for the Mets recently this is a relief.
by MookieTheCat on Jul 30, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
What garik said,
the changing conditions affect Dickey’s knuckleball ranging from wind, temperature, where the moon is and such so he really has no idea.
don't forget other important variables
Such as the mass of the opposing batter, and the collective mass of the opposing team…
by djg2111 on Jul 30, 2010 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol. Well wind and temperature certainly
Though essentially most of the variation in each start (unless it’s unusually windy) is probably from the fact that he throws the ball with so little spin that minor differences in each pitch’s spin have a large effect. For usual pitches, which are thrown with much more spin, such minor changes are barely a factor, but for a knuckleball, a pitcher’s own inability to be 100% consistent results in the variable results.
Doesn't humidity also affect the knuckleball?
IIRC, it doesn’t move as well on very humid days.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It should, yes
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 31, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
love this
and love dickey… pause.
How come he has thrown 142 1-0 pitches, but 176 pitches with a 1-1 count or 2-0 count. (130+46)
how can you throw more pitches after the pitch that got you there?
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
You can get to a 1-1 count from an 0-1 count as well as a 1-0 count.
But you can only get to 0-1 or 1-0 by one way.
No. You are smart.
But even smart people make mistakes sometimes. Don’t let it get you down.
This.
I think we’ve all made pretty egregious basic baseball errors on here. I made one tonight that puts yours to shame. It’s a sports blog. Everyone is typically so drunk that they won’t remember. And if no one remembers, it never happened.
should Dickey have an extention?
by that I mean, of course, should the Mets sign him to a long term extention? or does everyone here think he’s a flash in the pan and just enjoy the ride?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
3/$36!!
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 3, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Re-sign him, yes.
Long-term, no.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 4, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
It shouldn’t too hard to re-sign him…teams are not really believing in the knuckleball imo, and this year did come out of nowhere.
The team definitely shouldn’t let him get away, and should re-sign him. But it shouldn’t take too much money or years.
Agreed. It would also be his first big payday,
so he might be willing to accept something like 2/8 with a $7m team option (though I may be misreading the market entirely, given his tremendous season to date).
Although he's having a really good season,
knuckleballers don’t get big deals, since their success is unpredictable. I think it might take a little more than what you’re suggesting, but I don’t foresee a huge bidding war for Dickey. If Omar is smart, he’ll start talking to his agent now, while they’re still exclusive.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 10, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent article.
Do you happen to have batted ball data for each pitch type? I’m wondering about the line-drive percentages of each of Dickey’s pitches and the velocity of balls hit off of him. He has always maintained a very low LD%, but his HR/FB is also a big reason he has looked like an ace and not like a #3 starter. Intuitively, it seems like he would probably get more fly balls on his slow knuckler and give up harder contact on his fastball. Is his faster K-ball a recent development?
2010 is Dickey’s best year by GB%, and according to fangraphs it’s the year he has thrown his knuckleball fastest (which started out averaging 66 MPH in 2005 and now averages 76 MPH).
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Velocity of Balls hit off of him is not in my data, but i have batted ball types.
Fast Knuckleballs: 13.6% LD Rate
Slow Knuckleballs: 16.7% LD Rate
Data is from the same as this article, so omits his latest start.
As for Dickey’s velocity, i have data from 09 as well, and he seems to have only one speed of knuckleball then, causing the average velocity to be less.
If Dickey is extended (I hope he is)...
There are numerous commercial endorsements with Viagara or some of the others.
“When my knuckleball is a little limp I use viagara to get the full effect.”
Mets 2010 slogan; "a whole new level of stupid you were unprepared for."
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