Cardinals 8, Mets 7: Moral Victory Doesn't Really Mean Much
by James Kannengieser on Jul 29, 2010 12:05 AM EDT
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PrintJohan Santana dug a hole and pushed his teammates into it, giving up six runs on eight hits in the first inning. His ERA/FIP/xFIP at the start of the game was 2.79/3.47/4.64, so some ERA regression was expected, even for a guy like Johan who has historically outperformed his peripherals. Mets batters -- the good Mets batters, that is -- didn't pack it in, scoring seven runs in regulation to send it into extra innings. Unfortunately, the hits stopped coming in overtime, and Albert Pujols hit an RBI single in the top of the thirteenth to put the Cardinals ahead for good.
I'm listening to Bob Ojeda on SNY talk about how this game is a positive. On one level I agree -- the comeback was nice to see. (Although I'm confused as to how a team afflicted with Carlos Beltran and his negative vibes showed such resilience. I thought his mere presence brought the team down? No?) On another level, this was a game they needed to win. Walk machine Mike MacDougal pitched the twelfth inning for the Cards and sent the Mets down 1-2-3 without allowing so much as a line drive. Kudos to the following players tonight:
- Carlos Beltran -- 2-5 with a home run and a walk. It's his first bomb since last Sept. 26.
- Angel Pagan -- 2-5 with a home run and a walk. Just like his mentor.
- David Wright -- 3-6.
- Jose Reyes -- 3-6 with a walk.
When the Mets lose, it's less annoying if the best players come through. Such was the case tonight.
Poem by Howard Megdal
For once, a Johan start is supported
Even though his great July was aborted
Mets rallied from six runs down, raising hopes
But fall short, making us fans feel like dopes
I love free baseball, but life sure is bleak
When Mets lose three marathon games in a week
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by amzinsbucs fan on Jul 29, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
Jerry didn't have much choice in the 13th
But yeah, it’s clear he can’t get out righthanders at this point.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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This ga amplified perhaps the greatest weakness on this team- 2nd base
Castillo, at this point, is useless, even moreso than Cora. He’s a mediocre/terrible fielder, he can’t hit the ball out of the infield, and he’s not walking anymore because pitchers know he can’t get the ball out of the infield.
I’m not asking to buy at this point, but Mets management has to consider just cutting ties with Castillo and making a move for a 2nd baseman for next year.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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Thole 2nd in lineup castillo 8th is that hard to compute? For Jerry
by amzinsbucs fan on Jul 29, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Castillo should be 9th
and Pagan is pretty much an ideal #2; speed, patience, contact, and some power.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
agree but...
8th would be better than 2nd but off the team would be even better… bring up ruben tejada and some kids… i would rather watch them THAN THESE BUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUMS
Agree, Agree, Agree
I am so sick of Castillo right now. I know there are no better options but I don’t care. I’d rather have Tejada. Castillo’s only value is walking and he’s not even doing that. He can’t hit the ball far enough to score a guy from third on a single. He’s pathetic. I just want him gone now for totally irrational reasons.
blurgh! - me
Terrible
Valdez is doing great aginst rightys. Jerry says chuckle ahhh schuckle ahhh good question.
by amzinsbucs fan on Jul 29, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions
It's freaking Pujols,and Valdes' peripherals suggest he's been very lucky against righthanders
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Its better than Leaving P.feliciano in there maybe he would have had some luck against him.
by amzinsbucs fan on Jul 29, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it. It was really a lose-lose situation for Jerry at that point
The Mets should have won the game well before then.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I can't kill Jerry for Feliciano vs. Pujols
Ollie and Valdes were the other options. Maybe you go to Valdes, I don’t think it would make much of a difference.
If you want to walk Pujols, Holliday is next with the bases loaded. No wiggle room for the pitcher. Maybe I’m being soft on him, I dunno.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
My thing is, if you're going to pitch to Puljois
at least try and nibble and see if you can get him to chase. (As Darling pointed out, that’s hard to do if you’re not throwing strikes like Feliciano … which begs the question of why he was even out there by then.) But, to me, going right at Puljois is – how shall I put it – “more dangerous” than pitching to Holliday. Puljois is so intimidating a hitter because he has so few weak spots.
So, I would’ve pitched around or walked Puljois and taken my chances with Holliday …. who, I’m sure, would’ve have then hit a grand slam.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
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I can
That was ridiculous. Leaving a LOOGY in when he was all over the place to pitch to the best hitter in the game when you have a righty warming in the pen is ridiculous.
For someone who manages strickly by the book, I was shocked. Maybe the outcome would have been the same (or worse), but it’s his job to put us in the best position to win.
That would have been with Valdez.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
What??? Valdes is a lefty
And shockingly, Feliciano has a lower xFIP against righties (4.56) than Valdes does (5.35)
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I know
But I was at least under the impression that Valdes has far superior numbers against righties than Feliciano. Feliciano is a pure LOOGY and has been for some time for a reason.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Valdes is holding righties to .204, 130 points lower than Feliciano
Valdes has a very low BABIP, while Feliciano has a very high one, so it looks like they are on opposite directions of the luck stratosphere, but it just seemed like lifting him at that point was the smart play.
I guess I’m just pissed and it really wasn’t that abhorrant, but from the moment he left in Pedro, I knew it was bad news.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Did Jerry really run out of pitchers and have to send Valdes to the plate
with one out in the bottom of the 13th, down by a run?
I must be misreading the box score.
you can't really blame the manager for running out of bench players
once you get that deep into extra innings, especially considering santana came out after 5 2/3
This game sorts described the whole season
Building up all that hope and then just a spontaneous combustion of fail.
Consequences will never be the same.
Lucas Duda with another homer tonight btw
The kid is tearing it up
Oh and if this loss wasn;t bad enough, Phillies have deal in place for Oswalt
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/mlb/100728-astros-await-oswalt%27s-ok-on-trade-to-phillies
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Houston is throwing in money too, what do the Phils have left to make it worth it for them?
They can’t even foolishly trade Brown now that Victorino is on the DL
Actually, it would be hysterical if they dealt for Oswalt
They could have had Lee and Halladay in their rotation, but instead they now have to deal for an inferior pitcher who will be earning in the ballpark of 35-40 million over two years, and possibly dealing away Werth in the process.
it just pisses me off
b/c I really like both Halladay and Oswalt, and now they’ll be Phillies. So annoying
2009 Did Not Happen
And Castillo should never, ever bat second again
Bat him 8th (or 9th) and push everybody up. How many times is he going to ground out with men on before Jerry gets the hint.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
He should really be hitting 9th at this point
although he really should’ve been hitting 9th all year, but it’s getting ridiculous now.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Frenchy 0-5 with 4 LOB
That’s why(aside from Santana stinking it up) the Mets couldn’t complete the comeback.
Oswalt to the Phil pending his approval
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/mlb/100728-astros-await-oswalt%27s-ok-on-trade-to-phillies
plus money for JA Happ and un named prospects. Wow, seems like they got him for very little.
Mets Really have no chance this season
Especially since they are not making any moves and the Phils just got better. The only thing the Mets can do at this point is if we are able to make a not so costly deal for say Carmona or Myers, otherwise stay put till the offseason when I want to see a bunch of moves made. We need to get a pitcher badly and I say we open the books fully and get Lee and not let the Yankees beat us out again and get him. Also I think it would be a really smart move to get Crawford who would be amazing. Crawford is a huge improvement over Pagan, and I would want to have Pagan on the bench for Beltran insurance and for PH, PR and defensive sub for Bay. That would really strengthen our team. Or trade Pagan for a lights out bullpen arm. The Wilpons need to stop being Jews and actually spend money like the Yanks. In addition the bullpen needs to be shored up big time, and there are going to be many guys available. I also can’t believe that they let Putz go after we trade for him and he is lights out this year for the White Sox. Anyway with those moves the Mets would actually have a really good team and a sweet lineup and rotation of Reyes, Crawford, Wright, Davis, Beltran, Bay, Thole, Castillo and pitchers Santana, Lee, Pelf, Niese, Gee/someone. Give me that lineup with that rotation and we are a lock for the postseason and most likely the WS. Who else seconds this?
You get what you pay for
As in Bay vs. Holiday. How much more productive would our team be if we had the latter instead of horrible Bay? Just shows that when you try to save money and still pay a shitload you get what you asked for. Stupid management
I don't get complaining about not signing Holliday
Topping what the Cardinals paid him would be ludicrous.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 29, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that contract is ridiculous
And you think Holliday is a butcher in the field now? Just wait a couple of years.
blurgh! - me
Holliday is a career 8.8 UZR player in LF
although TotalZone does have him as a career -15, but he’s definitely not a butcher.
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"The Wilpons need to stop being Jews."
Seriously? Drown yourself.
7 years for Holliday isn't worth it.
He’s going to be horribly overpaid the second half of that contract.
if the first half of that contract helped lead to a World Series
I wouldn’t care in the slightest. Overpaying Mike Piazza from 2003 through 2005 was totally worth having Mike Piazza from 1999-2002.
2009 Did Not Happen
This is true i agree
Much better off having a better Holiday now than a horrible Bay.
7 years, $120 million plus an 8th year option is his Cards contract
No way I’d top that for a left fielder who is already 30. I hear you on the Piazza comp but that’s just too many years, too much $$$. He’s not that good.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 29, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how it's that much worse than the Bay contract
yeah Bay’s is shorter, Bay is also older and pretty decidely not as good. If we’re going to waste money we might as well waste it on real difference makers. I mean how can a team that’s paying 51 million to K-rod, 36 million to Perez, and 80 some million to Bay balk at the idea of paying Matt Holliday 120 million. If we were a small market team or our front office showed some sign of fiscal responsibility or intelligence I could understand. But instead we nickle and dime ourselves to mediocrity. We’re spending more on a group of players who don’t even add up to his single season value. What difference does minimizing risk make if you’re pretty much guaranteed to not see a break even return on your money.
Not to mention like cjmulrain said if the value in first half of the contract is enough to push us to a word series what difference does it make on the back end? Wasn’t that the exact rational behind the Santana contract? Surplus value on the front end and you live with the back end later?
Not to mention I’m willing to bet (barring an complete make over of the front office and organization philosophies) that once Bay’s contract runs out, or Bay falls apart and they can’t keep sending him out there, we’ll just overpay someone else and the two contracts combined will probably equal out, if not exceed, what the cards paid for Holliday,except without the players providing the value they received, (kind of like Delgado+ Bay’s contracts and production.)
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
After they spent on K-Rod and Ollie in the past, they didn't have the option to get Holliday the next year.
I mean, it’s not like all those were signed in the same free agency crop, so there is a time delay and uncertainty about who will actually hit free agency.
There is also the competition. If the Cards offered 7/120, the Mets would have to offer something like 7/126 to convince him to come here. What if the Cards matched that offer too? Even then, he could have signed with the Cards, after watching the Mets bash Beltran through the press, the Mets trainers getting everyone hurt, Omar press conferences and the lobby confusion, fans booing Dub, the fear of Citi Field eating all his power and Jerry throwing the players under the bus.
It would be great if we could go back and use Frankie/Ollie contracts money for something else (the 4m/WAR average would be outstanding at this point), but I don’t see the Holliday/Bay comparison as straightforward.
I wish the FO was capable of getting creative instead of “need a LF, the most expensive free agents GET!”. Though if they got someone who projected to produce the same as Bay, but for a lower cost, there would be plenty of people calling them “cheap” or “Coupons”.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Well we don't actually know the Mets would have had to offer 7/126
the cards offered 7/120 presumably to keep the AAV low enough to be able to afford Pujols/others. It’s possible that something like 5/100, with a 6 year option for 15-20 million, would have gotten it done at a lower total cost with more money coming to Holliday per cost.
Also I still don’t see how 5/80 for Bay is a major improvement over 7/120 for Holliday.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Well I didn't really like the Bay contract either
by James Kannengieser on Jul 29, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah neither did I
my point is more that they’re going to overspend regardless so it makes more sense to overspend on the players who might come near the contract value.
And like I said above is Holliday’s contract really much worse than Santana’s when we gave it to him? I mean he was coming off a season where he didn’t even break 5 WAR and we were locking into him well into his 30s. It’s kind of the same justification for Holliday’s contract, except I’d imagine even at 30 with a position player it’s less risky.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Neither did I, but my point is, we shouldn't be locked in only those 2 options.
They need a closer, so they only seek the last season savez closer. They need a LF, so they only focus on the 2 most expensive LF. Not only position-wise, but they could have rounded up the rest of the roster with less money. There were other options for LF, and they could have got the same WAR upgrade by buying cheap and productive 2B and SP.
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yeah but my point is more
that going after the most expensive option is often the best option for a team of our resources, the problem is they can’t differentiate between big name and big production. Spending 120 million on Holliday makes WAY more sense than 80 million on Bay.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I mean they could have rounded out the roster
more reasonably, but really with the lt threshold around 170 million there’s not really an excuse for them to be searching for having to round out the roster with cheap options because of one big name when their payroll is only at 130 million. They didn’t have to go after a more reasonably priced left field upgrade in order to upgrade other areas as well.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I wish they hadn't signed Bay or Holliday.
We are basically discussing if they had rounded out the rest of the roster, with the rest of financial flexibility, would it be better to invest long term in a LF, or get value for a productive cheaper LF.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Is it really the highest the price tag, the better value for a high budget team?
The Lackey contract for example. They should be looking for players who can provide similar production at a lower cost. Be because they are under rated, or their defensive value is being overlooked or they just don’t have that star power name.
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no it's not the higher price tag
that’s kind of my point when I said big name doesn’t equal big production. There’s really not many, if any, star type players who are actually undervalued because their value is tied up entirely in defense, even Crawford is expected to get like 100+ million, there’s like Mike Cameron, who was partially underrated because of age, and ???. I can’t think of many players who are 4-6 WAR type players who will actually be vastly underpaid on the market.
The problem is overpaying for all offensive players, which is what Bay was, and that the mets can’t differentiate between a guy like him and a guy like Holliday or Mark Texiera, guys who were actually worth their big pay days. What I’m saying is more often than not for value you’re going to have to pay a big price tag. And with our resources we shouldn’t have to hope our front office accidentally stumbles upon reasonable bargains. The problem is they take stupid to new unseen levels, and refuse to use their resources to their full advantage.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
oh Ben Zobrist probably would
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Now I get what you are saying about differentiating a Bay from a Teixeira.
Though, in a depressed free agency, favoring buyers, in a position people usually overvalue traditional offensive stats, I still rather see them go for productive and value signings.
Like Cameron or Josh Willingham were never in their radar. If they were thinking of trades, De Jesus was pretty much as undervalued as Pagan. Looking at the fangraphs leaderboards (I know hindsight now), there are some players like Aubrey Huff who were signed for peanuts.
We all thought Bay was more of a “sure thing” based on his track record and this huge disappointment with his production is also the main reason this keeps coming back.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
eh I'm not sure we all thought he was
a sure thing, maybe a sure thing to hit, but I think most didn’t think he’d come close to living up to his contract value.
And Huff was signed for peanuts because he was coming off an AWFUL season. Thats different from being underrated because of your skill set.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
And my point wasn't really that they could take the Ollie contracts back
in hindsight. Just that it makes no sense to say the Holliday contract is too risky for a team that saw fit to give a guy who pitches 1 inning and is a high injury risk 51 million and a guy like Perez 36 million. It doesn’t matter that they spent it the year earlier, it’s that they spent it in general and then turned around and balked at the idea of actually paying for a guy who might end up being near worth his cost.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
"The Wilpons need to stop being Jews and actually spend money like the Yanks"
The payroll is $132 million dollars. Do you really think that the spending of money is the issue here, and not HOW it’s spent?
We’ll never be able outspend the Yankees because we don’t come close to generating as much revenue as they do.
Oh, and Pagan is awesome and should absolutely not be relegated to the bench.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
can we outspend the red sox
also I’d say despite the money spent on payroll it seems pretty obvious, that at least in recent years, we’ve spent drastically less than our big market counterparts on the draft and ifa.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
There are so many things wrong with this post even beyonds the obvious poor choice of words
1st: Pagan has been our best player this year (with Wright’s recent struggles Pagan has passed Dubs in WAR, 3.9 to 3.7). Why would you want to replace him?
2nd: Crawford, as much as I would love to have him on the Mets, doesn’t want to play anything but LF. Bay is our LF for better or worse.
3rd: The Mets annually have a top-5 payroll in the league. The amount of money spent isn’t the problem; it’s how it’s spent.
4th: Our biggest problem spots are 2B, the bullpen, the rotation, the coaching staff, and the bench in that order.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
by Ogre39666 on Jul 29, 2010 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crawford
Heh, not sure how we’d go about getting him.
In my fantasy league one guy just got him in a trade for jacoby Ellsbury and Dustin Ackley. Ugh. Awful 2 for 1 in my book, but at lest somewhat defensible, as the guy who dealt him is out of it, and Ellsbury is a cheap freeze (although we aren’t a straight roto type league so the steals aren’t all that valuable) and Ackley a decent prospect (overrated in my book).
But then the guy cornered left field by also getting Matt Holliday, for Gaby Sanchez! And this is my nearest comp for the wildcard. Worst deal of the year. Decade maybe.
I would want to replace him with a better player in Crawford. So put Bay in RF and Crawford in LF, who cares. I’d give up the defense with Bay in RF and hopefully his offense makes up for it. Yea exactly they always overspend on horrible players. No need to worry about 2b, can’t really fix that and there should be some weaker spots on a team as long as other positions are strong. We could use some offense, an awesome pitcher like Cliff Lee and bullpen arms.
Still you miss the point about Pagan
Why would you want to replace what has been our best player this year? He’s not the problem.
How can you be OK with 2B??? It’s a shit hole of suckitude!
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TomCarvel is GeddyLeeisGod.
Has to be.
Really—Pagan for relief help? It’s too brilliant.
stay put
The Phils are better than we are. What sense would it make? They add Oswalt and we add a lesser starter. It doesn’t add up. Unless you are just trying to sell a few tickets.
actually
they can’t decide to even ADD a lesser starter. Cheapons. ….oh well…
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by feslenraster on Jul 29, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
how did the phillies get better
also wtf how is Crawford any different from Pagan at this point. There’s literally no way our optimal line up has Pagan on the bench.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
mmm let me think
More proven veteran. Better hitter for power. More speed. Better and smarter baserunner. Better fielder. Isn’t a reckless fielder who will ultimately hurt himself. Yea our optimal lineup has Pagan on the bench as insurance for Beltran and for depth. You think this lineup would be better w Pagan rather than Crawford? Reyes, Crawford, Wright, Davis, Beltran, Bay, Thole, Castillo. And if Beltran gets hurt Pagan is a great sub to have for him. Idk I would much rather have Crawford. And if we dont keep Pagan on the bench why not trade him for a useful piece now like a starter, reliever, 2b or a few prospects?
um what
Crawford isn’t a better hitter for power at all he’s hit for significant power all of one season of his entire career, and, and isn’t faster, and isn’t a better fielder.
and lolwut @ reckless? Where is this coming? And no I don’t think the line up would be better with Crawford than Pagan. And if Pagan is reckless than how is Crawford not? They’re practically the same player at this point. Pagan to Crawford is a lateral move.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
It's worse than a lateral move
because Crawford will cost a fortune in FA whereas Pagan is just entering his arbitration years. Not to mention age.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I think pagan is actually in his last arb year next year
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Every time I watch Pagan smash the ball, I remember those people wanting to trade the farm for Crawford.
We’ve got a Crawford of our own, he is still cheap and above all, he is completely under rated.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
yeah but we'll need a crawford type anyway if/when Beltran walks
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Crawford is a FA this year, Beltran is in 2011.
Hopefully we’ll have a prospect ready by then, I don’t want to go shopping at the FA.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
yeah I meant after 2011
I just wouldn’t hold my breathe for any of our prospects to be ready by then unless one takes some sort of insane step.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
That may be, I honestly don't know
But he’ll still be cheaper over the next 5+ years than Crawford will be.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Third arb year next year.
Fourth in 2012. Strange but true.
I'm sorry but this absolutely has to be bannable
The Wilpons need to stop being Jews and actually spend money
I’m pretty sure that the chosen people are at least a large plurality around this blog, and I hope I speak for many of us when I say you can fuck right off — for posting antisemitic bullshit, and most of all for comparing the rest of innocent Jewry to the asshole Wilpon family.
by anonymous on Jul 29, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wait so why isn't Bay on the DL yet?
also did Hessman come up for Barajas? I thought we brought reliever up for him.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
NO MORE ONE RUN GAMES!!!!!!!
THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!! IF WE LOSE ANYMORE ONE RUN GAMES, I AM GOING TO CHANGE TEAMS!!! I CAN’T TAKE THIS ANYMORE! We need to start being realistic and start selling players and not buying. We have NO chance to make the playoffs with this shitty team. Think about the future because WE CAN’T WIN WITH THESE PLAYERS WITH NO HEART!!!!!! LIKE JOSE FUCKIN REYES!! WHAT A PIECE OS LAZY SHIT HE IS. JUST HIT THE BALL TO HIM AND HE WON’T EVEN TRY FOR IT. WE NEED TO CHANGE EVERYTHING OBVIOUSLY!!! OMAR , JERRY AND THE REST NEED TO GO AND NOW!!
SELL OR EVEN GIVE AWAY
BELTRAN=SELL, REYES=SELL, CASTILLO=GIVE AWAY, PELFREY=SELL, PEREZ=GIVE AWAY, K-ROD=SELL.
Time to start over assholes!
Seriously?
"we believe in comebacks"
Jerry being Jerry
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 29, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
wait let him have his moment.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
At least...
he threw in a token white guy. Saved him.
by DannyMetsGeek on Jul 29, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
trolliscious thread
subtle as a flying mallet.
nocturnal82=give away
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
he's not even worth selling
no one’s going to take back that bloated contract.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Hey Gina
You got a problem with me or what I have to say????
by nocturnal82 on Jul 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Man
I would have been so mad if I stayed up to watch the end of this game.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
meh
not a surprise, is it?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
I stopped watching after the 10th.
I just knew we were through scoring. Sad, isn’t it, to be so sure.
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