Nationals 6, Mets 5: Dickey Outlasts Strasburg, Mets LOLpen Blows It
by James Kannengieser on Jul 3, 2010 7:49 PM EDT
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This recap is split in two parts: the game and the Fox broadcast.
The Game
In what was billed "the F-15 vs. the butterfly", R.A. Dickey and his fluttering knuckler outdueled Stephen Strasburg and his Sidewinder missile fastballs. Dickey gave up two runs (both unearned) in seven strong innings of work, striking out four and walking two. Strasburg lasted just five innings and the Mets reached base seven times against him. Unfortunately, the LOLpen couldn't hold the 5-2 lead it was handed in the eighth inning. Bobby Parnell unleashed fastball after fastball (25 of his 26 pitches), surrendering one run in his inning of work. No bother right? Francisco Rodriguez, the jewel of Omar's relief corps, should be able to to hold a two-run lead, especially with Cristian Guzman (.706 OPS), Nyjer Morgan (.646 OPS) and Willie Harris (.570 OPS) due up. Right? Wrong. Frankie walked Guzman on four pitches to start things off, Adam Dunn tied it with a two-run double four batters later and Ivan Rodriguez hit an RBI single to end the damn thing.
Frankie deserves to be slammed for his performance today. However, I'll play devil's advocate and point out that he's actually having a pretty good season. His strikeout rate is at its highest since 2007 and his walk rate is the lowest of his career. While it does seem like every game he enters turns into an adventure, the same can be said about most closers in baseball, except maybe Mariano. There is nothing wrong with cursing him as a reflex for a frustrating game, but once the initial period of anger wears off his effectiveness this season should be recognized. It's also worth noting that he's on pace to throw 82 innings, the most since 2004. There is no other crossover reliever capable of getting out both lefties and righties -- Frankie is doing it all on his own. .
Josh Thole did well for himself and his team, grinding out tough at-bats all day. His 11 pitch plate appearance in the first inning ended in a walk and contributed to Strasburg's early exit after 96 pitches. Thole was 2-for-3 with a double and a walk. I don't know if he will be in the organization much longer -- he's certainly upping his trade value. I do, however, know the following:
- Keeping three catchers on the roster is not smart.
- Rod Barajas is regressing to his expected performance, which entails making outs roughly 72% of the time (not good).
- Henry Blanco is preferable to Barajas, both offensively and defensively.
Something's gotta give.
Ike Davis was on base three times, a rarity given his recent struggles. He failed to drive in an insurance run in the ninth inning with Angel Pagan on third base and only one out. David Wright had another multi-hit game, ho-hum, no big deal. Jeff Francoeur went 0-for-3 with an intentional walk. That's his sixth of the year, mainly because of all the time he spent batting eighth in the order. His unintentional walk rate is the 2nd lowest of his career and he's on pace for 36 free passes (including the intentional walks). This past offseason, he reiterated his annual plan to "mix in 50 or 60 walks" and, barring a miracle, that won't happen. That's 3200+ MLB plate appearances and nothing has changed. Same old terrible approach. Same hacking at every pitch thrown in his general direction. Hey Jeff: when you say it's gonna happen now, when exactly do you mean?
Here are some fun Francoeur facts:
- He has the lowest wOBA of any starting right fielder in MLB.
- Wilson Valdez has a higher slugging percentage than Frenchy. Yeah, that Wilson Valdez.
- Only Vladimir Guerrero and A.J. Pierzynski have swung at a higher percentage of pitches outside the strike zone.
The Fox Broadcast
I can't remember a more disgraceful game broadcast. Joe Buck sounds bored to tears, as if he has somewhere else more important to be. I say go, Joe. Go hang out with people more important than fans tuning in to watch afternoon baseball on Fourth of July weekend.
Kevin Millar played sidekick to Buck, and had me longing for Tim McCarver. He was insufferable as a player ("Cowboy Up!", barf) and is worse as a broadcaster. He had no chemistry with Buck and it seemed like neither liked the other. Millar spent most of the game praising the crappy players on the Mets roster while barely mentioning the beast of a season Wright is enjoying. Francoeur and Alex Cora (who did have a big triple today) were the objects of Millar's affection. Here are some more-or-less word-for-word quotes from Millar. Some might have been said by Buck but I was laughing too hard to note who was speaking:
- On Frenchy's intangibles, or something: "He's telling guys when to shave, when not to shave."
- The shaving thing was an ongoing topic, for some reason: "If he's [Francoeur] not worrying about shaving he can steal a few bases."
- "Alex Cora has done a nice job coming off the bench."
- "He [Cora] is a big piece of the puzzle for this team."
I've had enough of people praising bad players. These two have accumulated a combined 0.4 FanGraphs WAR and the season is halfway over. And they're making $7 million. Yes, they are the reason why the Mets are 45-36.
If all that wasn't enough, much of the broadcast was spent talking about NBA free agency. The "journalism" and "reporting" ongoing with the Lebron-Wade-Bosh situation is an embarrassment to begin with -- I don't need it polluting my baseball games. I fully expect Phil Mushnick or Bob Raissman or one of those other crankier-than-me sports media critics to skewer the Fox production.
Hisanori Takahashi will do his best to help the Mets salvage a series split Sunday vs. Craig Stammen. The game will mercifully be broadcast on SNY.
Unintentionally sexual quote of the game: "Thole's done a nice job back there, receiving Dickey." - Joe Buck (via CPP)
Alcohol of the game: Popov Vodka from Diageo in the United States
"I've never had Popov before, but it has a reputation like that of Aristocrat. The aroma itself is enough to make me feel bad. The large yellow "Now! Unbreakable bottle" is mocking me because I wish I could break the bottle to avoid this tasting."-- VodkaBuzz review
Poem by Howard Megdal
If this young Strasburg hopes to succeed
He'd throw a knuckler and leave with the lead
Instead it's Dickey who draws the most raves
Sadly, it seems K-Rod's swearing off saves
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Federal Baseball Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Josh Thole +23.0%, Alex Cora +21.7%
Big losers: Francisco Rodriguez -89.9%, Jeff Francoeur -10.9%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Alex Cora triple +20.5%
Teh sux0rest play: Adam Dunn two-run double -50.7%
Total pitcher WPA: -72.0%
Total batter WPA: +22.0%
GWRBI!: Ivan Rodriguez
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by KeithsMoustache; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | KeithsMoustache | 180 |
| 2 | CTRefJay | 108 |
| 3 | Michkin | 93 |
| 4 | Brittannia | 83 |
| 5 | aparkermarshall | 81 |
| 6 | Jadden Hopkins | 80 |
| 7 | fxcarden | 79 |
| 8 | Brian. | 76 |
| 9 | fightoffyourdemons | 71 |
| 10 | deadspy3 | 69 |
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Hey Krod...
3 words.
Go Fck Yourself.
POS.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball.
by TKFJ on Jul 3, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This was just 1 of those classic “Frankie had no control” games. He has them. Nothing you can about it. At least hes kept the walks down in general this year…. Anyway, yeah, you knew it was probably gonna be ugly when he walked Guzman (a weak hitter from the left-side, to boot) on 4 pitches.
And not that this has anything to do with Frankie, but this team desperately needs another crossover reliever [regardless of how good or bad Parnell is the rest of the way]. Forget waiting until July 31st, go get it now. Chad Qualls is having like the unluckiest year ever, hes a guy I would look at, or other relievers who are having good peripherals-but-bad-luck type of years….
The thing is that I think they'll grab one starter and move Tak back to the pen as the solution.
Instead of picking up 2 decent Righty Bullpen guys to replace Nieve/Dessens.
I blame KRod's lack of control in part on Jerry using him like a dog the past week
This team needs a decent setup man who can occasionally close, because it’s clear Jerry doesn’t trust anyone else in the pen to do so besides Frankie.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
we have them
their in AAA
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You could have used either other "there"
but not that one.
by Pack Bringley on Jul 3, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess "there" would work as well
But I think we can all agree “they’re,” was the best option there.
I don't remember the last Met closer I trusted although Jessie Orosco didn't blow games like
this.Tug McGraw,Benitez,Franco,Wagner and now FFFF-Rod seemingly never have an easy close and I have to switch the channel or take a walk till I can go back to the post game show.
I know the anti -Christ fans haven’t had this since John Wettland and that other guy have been closing games since 1995
by Putnan Prince on Jul 3, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame Daniel Murphy
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i enjoy the alcohol review of the game
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
Which is cheaper/worse, Popov or Mr. Boston?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jul 3, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Popov actually worse than Smirnoff
And Smirnoff is pretty bad
by Sir Tmac on Jul 3, 2010 9:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tmac is an ephermeral being of enlightenment.
It all makes sense now.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Eveb after the Fox Staussburg for All Star starter spiel
by Sir Tmac on Jul 3, 2010 9:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know,
but if Strasburg pitches in the All-Star Game, I am going to like the ASG less than I do now…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I figured it out. It's a question. He's asking:
You still prefer Millar over McCarver, even after Fox did their Strasburg for the All Star Game spiel (pronounced “shpeel”)?
what does it mean
when you start to understand Sir Tmac English?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You've had too much Popov vodka,
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Someone needs a spelling dictionary at the Cirque du Soleil!
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't catch the game. Why was Dickey withdrawn?
by Pack Bringley on Jul 3, 2010 8:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jerry didn't want Dickey to come up limp
(like so many other Mets in the last week or so)
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It actually looked like Dickey was coming out for the 8th
until the Mets rallied and got to his spot in the 8th with runners on.
K Rod stinks and is
a complete A Hole yelling like a moron when he does his job correctly. Does he thank Jesus when he looks up and yells? I think Jesus has other people to concentrate on then an a hole making 36 million dollars.
Bruney, is that you?
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jul 4, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate baseball
Just bear with me, I need to rant every so often.
"It’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason."
-Gina, 3/1/10
Fucking K-Rod
Leave Dickey in, he doesn’t have an UCL FFS
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
At least we didn't get by Strasburg?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
*get beat by
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the fuck wasn't Feliciano brought in to face Dunn?
Not that it should have got there, because smart relievers don’t fucking walk people like
Cristian Guzman on four fucking pitches
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
this this this
as soon as i heard dunns name I knew it was over.
though truthfully Dunn doesn’t have much of a split.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
8 for 24
but still, it’s a much better matchup than leaving a clearly tired KRod in to face him
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
when Dunn was walking to the plate
I turned the game off. 2007, 2008 and 2009 trained me to know how to realize when enough is enough.
This was the most painful loss of this season for me. Itt was against the worst franchise in the sport, after we had a comfy lead, K-Rod in and three awful baseball players coming up. It should’ve ended with an easy 1-2-3. Now, we’ve lost 2 of 3 to that laughingstock franchise that, for some reason, we always have trouble with. Philly and Atlanta pick up another game on the Mets, too. If we miss the postseason by one game, this was it.
Kevin Millar is one of the worst announcers I’ve ever heard do sports. Any man who pronounces the word “him” as “eeem” is lame as can be. Not to mention the complete lack of knowledge of what he was talking about. Just awful. Come on, Millar – cowgirl up.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jul 4, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i think there are worst franchises than the nats
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
at the moment, yes
but not overall, not even close
KC and Baltimore have won championships.
Washington might be good in 4 or 5 years, if these young guys work out. If.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jul 4, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
RABBLE RABBLE
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
by squid92 on Jul 4, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and have been last place every year but one
when they were 73-89, and 4th place
That’s as bad as it gets.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jul 4, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I wish it wasn't the case,
closers don’t get pulled until they blow the game.
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
Another thing I hate about the closer role
it’s like a closer should never have no one backing him up if he can’t get batters out. If this was Dessens or Igarashi I bet Jerry would have pulled him and went to someone else. The confidence in your closer is warranted if he’s really good, but in case of average closers like krod you just leave him out to dry and no way out of the inning.
K-Rod blew it for Dickey
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
I was drunk about 3/4 of the game, and my buzz wore off in the 9th
Lucky fucking me.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically not legal for me...
and things were going well. But that did not stop me before.
Omar and Jerry, dumbest tandem in baseball.
agreed
I hate Fox broadcasts. Have they ever had a decent announcer for any sport?
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jul 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
A friend tells me that Joe buck said
“Thole is doing an excellent job of receiving Dickey.” True?
by Pack Bringley on Jul 3, 2010 8:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
yep, absolutely
said totally unironically to boot
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jul 3, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Would not surprise me.
I cannot confirm this, but it was indeed mentioned that Thole did a good job of catching Dickey in the minors.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
10
10 fucking walkoff losses, and only 3 walkoff wins for us
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Of those 10, how many can we blame on K-Rod?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jul 3, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well let's see
This one, the San Diego game….that’s about it
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Really, I figured more of them would have come off of K-Rod
Oh well, he’s such a convenient scapegoat, although I will grant him that he has only blown 4 saves this season, now 5 I guess. And he was pitching for the 4th day in a row. Blame Jerry for not pulling him.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jul 3, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
There was absolutely no reason to leave him in against Dunn
Feliciano had a much better chance of getting him out, and he had a better chance of inducing a DP.
But god forbid Mr. $17 million man doesn’t finish what he started
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
In total agreement there
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jul 3, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea that 8th inning Tuesday was really needed
He is pitching so much better because of it
by Sir Tmac on Jul 3, 2010 9:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea that 8th inning Tuesday was really needed
He is pitching so much better because of it
by Sir Tmac on Jul 3, 2010 9:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
how many can we blame on Jerry?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Most
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
When the manager doesn't have the balls to leave a starter in for a CG
when every arm in the pen is overused and needs a break, its almost comical
Waste of another fantastic Dickey start
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jul 3, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
against Strasburg, no less
W come out ahead in the Strasburg-Dickey matchup, and yet we lose anyway. What a joke.
"It’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason."
-Gina, 3/1/10
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 3, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a clusterfuck of fail
Whether you want to reference Tejada’s inability to field a DP ball, Tatis sucking yet again in a PH appearance, Ike failing to make contact in the 9th, and then of course KRod’s implosion
Really brutal loss, especially considering our upcoming schedule.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I was asking friends why Tatis was still on the squad
semi-rhetorically.
"It’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason."
-Gina, 3/1/10
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
cuz he's proven that
he can hit 2 GS in the same inning
by secret defense on Jul 3, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Against the same pitcher.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
he may be the worst MLB player right now
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jul 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
he’s had 64 at bats before today
19 strikeouts in those 64 at bats, with .172/.243/.328
He’s as close to an automatic out as there is.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jul 4, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Despite great performance
Dickey comes up empty
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
we need to review Mohawk vodka for games like this
"It’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason."
-Gina, 3/1/10
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 3, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah
I used that as lighter fluid once.
"It’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason."
-Gina, 3/1/10
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 3, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i've got some corn liquor
which is like 60% alcohol
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
95% alcohol, lol
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes I miss college.
Jungle juice with everclear…yikes.
god
popov reminds me of freshman year of college. everyone fiending for a buzz, no money, only one place to turn.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Nobody but nobody
can grab defeat from the jaws of victory like BBRod. I want him on my team…
if I’m the 1919 White Sox.
well, at least he got a save...
saved the Nationals from the jaws of defeat
by secret defense on Jul 3, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
best part
he stills gets credit for a game finshed
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Thanks. Screw getting an 8th inning guy, look for a closer.
Is it me or is CrapRod careening towards this generation’s Mitch Williams?
by Sylow59 on Jul 3, 2010 8:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
(Smacks forehead)
I know this argument is going to go nowhere, but people do realize that even if you include today’s performance, KRod has still had an excellent year, right?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
i know right?
what other closer can get a save without getting a batter out?
by secret defense on Jul 3, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I do realize that. It’s called venting
by Sylow59 on Jul 3, 2010 8:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is, it's just that good (not great) closers like John Franco, Benitez and K-Rod
bug a fan out when they consistently let runners on. Usually with stupid things like lead off walks to the bottom of the lineup in a 3 run games. Even if they’re converting 95% of the saves, its gets on your nerves.
it's more like good not great closers like K-rod
shouldn’t be making 13 million. We’d appreciate him much more if he was reasonably priced. Not taking up 1/10th of our payroll, and having a good chance to take up 1/5th of it in 2 years
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I hear ya, but that's Omar's fault.
I can only blame K-Rod for what he’s doing on the field.
im not blaming him
it’s just why people dislike him more
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yeah, I don't see it.
He’s an unattractive man with chipmunk cheeks and glasses. I guess they can be douches too, but…
by Pack Bringley on Jul 3, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
95%
I would be happy if our closer can close that percentage of games. Right now krod converts 80%, blowing one every 5 games.
by secret defense on Jul 3, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
do many closers do that?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
The "save" is such a dumb stat
One of his blown saves came after he warmed up for like 100 pitches in the bullpen, and another came on a weak groundball up the middle
Aside from Rivera, there isn’t an automatic closer in baseball.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
true
not many closers are that good, I’m just really pissed
by secret defense on Jul 3, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
well even with his numbers this year
he’s only middle of the pack of closers in defense independent numbers.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
lol he's also way behind putz
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Heath Bell is awesome.
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jul 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
why are you so goddamn optimistic all the time?
how long have you been a mets fan? jeez
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Also this is all JP Riccardi's fault
he told K-rod Dunn only hits homers when no one’s on base to pad his stats.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Sigh K-Rod is another "big time" closer
you suck K-Rod. go away.
and why R.A. Dickey wasn’t pitching beyond the 7th, who the CRAP knows?
so who’s worse…K-Rod, Armando Benitez, or Billy Blown Save Wagner?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
benitez was easily the best of the 3
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jul 3, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna have to give it to Wagner.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Fangraphs has Benitez' data, going back to 1994 (didn't know they had "retro" data like that. I thought the earliest WAR data that they had was from circa 200)
Wagner outclasses Benitez 23.1 to 9.1. It’s no contest.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Both in their careers, and as Mets
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehh
Wagner’s only really good year was 2006, and he blew it in the NLCS.
He was awful in the 2nd half of 2007, and he wasn’t exactly great in 2008.
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he's been way better this year
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and what
how can you defend k-rod now and turn around and say Wagner wasn’t great in 07 or 08? he was better than k-rod’s been.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I'll admit I'm somewhat biased against Wagner
but but he was undeniably awful in the final months of 2007, and is one of the biggest reasons we missed out on the playoffs that year.
2008 wasn’t as bad, but I don’t remember him being lights out either.
I’m not defending KRod; he’s in no way worth his contract. My point is, people act like he’s a terrible closer when he’s clearly not.
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This
Wagner was one of the main reasons for 07. His BS back spasms and the game in Philly where he blew a 3 run save. That game alone was the diff.
Wagner blew 1 out of 6 saves in September of 07
and had a 3.34 FIP/3.68 xFIP. He didn’t walk anyone that month either.
And 2008, he threw one inning in August and then was out for the year.
Had he been healthy, we make the playoffs in 08.
BB-Rod by a country mile
Benitez was legitimately awesome in 1999, and still really good in 2000 and even 2001. Yea, he blew some big games, but he never blew a World Series Game 7 or anything (like that bum in the Bronx). Benitez gets a bad rap b/c he happened to be the closer for a very good but not quite good enough Mets team.
And Wagner was way, way better than BB-Rod. Heck, he’s STILL better than BB-Rod.
2009 Did Not Happen
that's the worst part
he’s like 400 and still better
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I liked Wagner up until the NLCS
where he blew two key homers against the weakest hitters in the NL at the time. So Taguchi (!) and Yadier Molina, who has improved over the years. K-Rod definitely sucks worse than those two though.
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by feslenraster on Jul 4, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your benitez assessment. He was fantastic aside from one stretch where he blew 4 straight saves
and a few other infamous games, but he was lights out most of the time. He seemed to have fewer bad outings, just more gloriously bad outings.
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by KeithsMoustache on Jul 4, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Santana, Niese, Dickey all went 7 strong
1 win to show for it=hideous
Lets keep losing to the Nats and Fish though, good stuff
yep while we're talking about acquiring starters
our bullpen is falling apart
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
It has the 7th most innings pitched in baseball
Obviously that isn’t the only factor, but Jerry can’t expect success from them if he keeps using each reliever 5 times a week
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The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
They either need to fire Jerry
And since that’s not happening, they need to acquire 2 decent bullpen arms ASAP so he stops burning out KRod, Pedro and whoever the hot hand is at the moment (Parnell right now).
no he'll just run them all into the ground
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When was the last time Nieve pitched?
I can’t remember!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
in puerto rico
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That seems so long ago...Better days (not really).
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but unless we're firing Jerry
that’s not going to change
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
And with the Mets playing well,
Jerry’s not going anywhere for the time being.
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
not really
most of their games tak-2 or valdes came in and ate most of the innings. the problems are mostly on Jerry, pulling guys for his obsessiveness with match ups and refusing to let some guys go more than one inning.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Seattle is semi-shopping Aardsma
with the intent that if Aardsma is dealt, that Brandon League will replace him – plus they liked him enough to deal Morrow to Toronto for him so it’s very doubtful they’ll part with him
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Rotowire says that Aardsma the one who more likely to be moved.
and Yahoo! rumors are usually bull-plop.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
no one does
thats why he’s the one being shopped
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I think Aardsma is one of the better BP guys "on the market".
Honestly, I can’t think of anyone I’d rather have that’s been rumored to be moving.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I guess you're right; I just looked at fangraphs
Aardsma:
8.53 K/9 (2.08 is league avg.)
3.55 BB/9 (3.39 is league avg.)
1.26 WHIP (1.36 is league avg.)
4.59 FIP
.275 BABIP
Lidstrom:
7.56 K/9
3.24 BB/9
1.50 WHIP
2.92 FIP
.359 BABIP
Save Jenrry Mejia!
sounds like someone familiar
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by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He's first in the all-time baseball roster.
That’s something likable about him, if you like those kinds of things.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Well at least were showcasing Thole and if we obtain Lee
please make a package deal to include Brandon League, K-Rod sucks, blame it on the back, whatever. DL him he sucks and keeps costing us games
For as much as he "sucks", who's better in out bullpen than K-Rod?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
But, K-Rod is honestly the least of our worries in the bullpen.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i have more faith in captain fastball as long as he throws strikes and doesnt try to pain the edges like last night
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by KeithsMoustache on Jul 4, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
How about instead of selling the farm to get Lee or Oswalt
we send three good-to-very good prospects to KC for Soria?
Just spitballing: Familia, Kunz, and Evans?
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i think that's only one good to very good prospect
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That's not going to be enough for Soria
and Soria will cost more than Oswalt
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That's not nearly enough
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
Kunz isn't even a C level prospect at this point
He went from potential front end pen guy, to ROOGY, to dogshit in the last 2 years.
i think he was only a potential front end guy
before we drafted him
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Who takes a reliever with their first pick
I mean really. Between him, Vineyard, and Moviel, that was a terrible draft. Imagine, we could have drafted Stanton, Freeman and Romine. Now that would have been a draft.
kunz was a terrible pick
hindsight or not, Moviel and Vineyard we just got unlucky with. they were probably the best picks, not using hindsight, int he first 7 or so rounds, since they weren’t college relievers we decided we were going to try and turn into starters.
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His career path seems to have mirrored the Mets from 2006-present.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
thas a ruff assessment
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by KeithsMoustache on Jul 4, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
On another note
can we get Ted Lily without giving up any of our bluechippers (Mejia, Havens, F-Mart, Flores)? He’s been very good these couple of seasons.
I'd rather have Lilly over Carmona or Westbrook
I just hope they don’t overpay for him because of his deflated ERA this year.
I'd take Carmona over Lilly.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I don’t think Carmona is that good
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
Carmona is 8 years younger than Lilly, so that's a point in his favor.
Carmona’s best (2007, 4.2 WAR) was better than Lilly’s best (2009, 3.7 WAR). If there’s ever a chance that Carmona can put out innings like he has been, and up his K rate, I’d rather have Carmona’s potential. Plus, with Lilly, it’d be a buying high situation, as opposed to Carmona, where it’s more or less a buying low, or buying neutral situation.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but Lilly's been consistently between 2-3 WAR
Carmona’s had 1 good year followed by two horrendous ones. He’s Ollie 2 years ago except replacing the k’s with groundballs.
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Lilly is also a FA this coming off-season,
whereas Carmona is pretty cheap until 2013 ($9 million), and then under contract for another season. I’d be willing to take the gamble on Carmona, looking more long-term, rather than going after Lilly now, and then having him possibly walk, or be paid too much in FA on the down side (seemingly) of the age parabola.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah Carmona is cheap
unless he puts up some more .6 WAR seasons, then he’s a massive overpay until 2013
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a massive overpay they'll keep running out there
cause they refuse to eat the money owed. IMO one decent half year from Carmona isn’t enough to warrant trading from him when you’re committing yourself to him for multiple years and he’s been so awful the two previous years.
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Agreed
I guess I’m more bullish about his prospects of turning things around- not necessarily returning to 2007 form, but being an effective 2-3 WAR pitcher.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Carmona's numbers look to me like he's had the injury and just hasn't
recovered, and may not. That K/BB ratio in 2008 was nightmarish, and his current rate of 5Ks per 9 gives him just about no room to get worse. With the tender state of our rotation I’d be much more inclined to go for someone with a solid track record.
The way Omar fills out a team
I’d rather we get stuck with the shorter contracts. Also, Nick Evans and some low level pitcher is probably enough to half a year of Lilly.
You think the Cubs are that desperate?
Lilly isn’t a world-beater or anything, but…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i would kind of think they might be to clear salary
but i don’t know how much lily is owed
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His base is $12 for the season, however that works out prorating and whatever other stuff.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 4, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
So that's a fair amount of salary relief for the Cubs.
Gina, aren’t you still holding out for Dapper Dan?
no I don't think they're going to move him
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Carmona is very inconsistent
granted he’s having a pretty good season and relatively young, but his ERA was 6+ last year and 5+ the year before. Lily has been consistently good for years.
by secret defense on Jul 3, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
With all the talk about K-Rod,
I think we should also mention how great Josh Thole was today. I think he should be starting on a more consistent basis.
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This This This
The only problem is that his defense behind the plate leaves something to be desired at times. Granted so does Barajas’ so I can definitly lobby for more starting time for Thole. If only we could combine Barajas’ hitting from April to mid-May and Blanco’s defensive ability…
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by blueandorange4life on Jul 3, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
May be time to cut Barajas. With thanks, of course. He's a good guy.
Someone had to say it.
Ehh, he still has value
If Bengie Molina can net a decent prospect, Barajas, who is miles better, almost certainly can as well.
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i think we should trade K-rod
for eddy curry. his contracts expiring.
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Can Lebron pitch?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
We should put in a bid, then.
Hell, everyone else seems to be doing it.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
as bad as krod has been
at least he’s not on the run from police, which is what eddy curry is doing right now
by secret defense on Jul 3, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe they would consider pitching for the Mets bullpen as time served
so it might work out well for him.
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by KeithsMoustache on Jul 4, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The one bright spot on the 2012 Mets.
After we trade DWrong of course.
nah
he’ll probably be traded for for over the hill pitcher before the deadline
by secret defense on Jul 3, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, wut?
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Oh, man. I forget that he's coming back relativley soon.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll be an epic battle, then, methinks.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
do we play the reliever we essentially traded 7 players for
or the starter who we paid a ludicrous amount of money to suck
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by KeithsMoustache on Jul 4, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if this has been asked
but could you redo all of the Dos Equis commercials with the most interesting man in the world and just sub RA in for him and it would totally work. I feel like he should give his post games in a smoking jacket with a scotch.
by Bruce Wayne on Jul 3, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
R.A. Dickey is indeed the most interesting pitcher in the world.
He doesn’t drink much, but when he does, he drinks Dos Equis.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep knuckling my friends
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by blueandorange4life on Jul 3, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He can speak French...in Russian.
Police often question him just because they find him interesting.
2010: Year of the Grission
If he were to punch you in the face, you’d have to fight off the urge to thank him.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 4, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He once had an awkward moment, just to see what it would feel like
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by blueandorange4life on Jul 4, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Nats just signed El Duque to a minor league deal.
Can’t wait till he shuts us out in September as we miss the WC by one game
Two games- we get screwed by both Hernandez brothers.
It’s fate.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet Strasberg also goes in that series
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"we believe in comebacks"
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
FU-Rod
I Believe in 80 wins
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by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 3, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
lets flip him for Ramos
and flip him for Cliff Lee.
by secret defense on Jul 3, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
MakesMeShoutVeryLoudandAngryProfanities-Rod
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Mets can't keep blowing these games if they want to make the playoffs
and keep pace with the braves
That's what sucks.
We keep losing in “dramatic” fashion, and the Braves keep winning.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yea we beat are selves in too many close games or blowing gms late
when all Atlanta does is win. Philly is done, the injury bug hit them this yr like us last yr to an extent.
The still need to lose a lot of players in order to keep pace with us from last season
Until then, they have no excuse.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
10 walk off losses to lead baseball
The most for the Mets since 95 and there’s half a season left. Geez.
And how do you find out who was on the mound
for each vile occasion?
I can do it from memory
#1: Colorado- Walkoff homerun by Chris Ianetta- Mejia
#2: Cincinnati- Walkoff homerun by Laynce Nix- Nieve
#3: Cincinnati- Walkoff homerun by Orlando Cabrera- Feliciano
#4: Florida: Walkoff wild pitch- Nieve
#5: Atlanta: Walkoff throwing error by Wright: (Forgot who was on mound)
#6: Milwaukee: Walkoff homerun by Corey Hart: Igarashi
#7: San Diego: Walkoff homerun by Adrian Gonzalez: Valdes
#8: Puerto Rico: Walkoff single by Jorge Cantu: Feliciano
#9: Washington: Walkoff sac fly by Ryan Zimmerman: Igarashi
#10: Washington: Walkoff single by Ivan Rodirguez: K-Rod
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
damn right it is
My 5-year old daughter even hates the Ravens.
by SundaysWithTroy on Jul 4, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
well done sir
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by KeithsMoustache on Jul 4, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We're going with pray the Braves get hit with the injury bug strategy.
It worked with the Phils.
well troy glaus is on their team
so it’s not unreasonable.
that being said they’ve been doing this without Jurrjens, and with an awful chipper.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Krod is a fucking coward
He either is too afraid to throw strikes, or physically can’t. And his explanations before to us fans of “don’t worry, I know what I’m doing,” is so fucking arogant. I didn’t like him when he signed him, and I despise him now.
It's one fucking game
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its not even all year
he’s always done this, as far back as i can remember. The difference is his stuff used to be nasty enough for him to get by. He’s lost a few MPH and a bit of movement, and suddenly he can’t get away with the mistakes he used to.
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by KeithsMoustache on Jul 4, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as he was overpaid, there really wasn't anyone else better on the market
Would you have rather had Brian Fuentes? Or stuck with Putz?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
double-cringe
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by KeithsMoustache on Jul 4, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
well putz has a 2.69 FIP now so...
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
If I hear anymore bullshit about
he’s worked too much, he hasn’t worked enough, it’s not a save situation, blah, blah, blah.
How about when your name is called you go in the game and get fucking outs? How’s that?
apparently his last complain was that
he didn’t have a consistent 8th inning guy in front of him
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
That's another one
“I don’t know my role.”
Your role is to get outs. What else do you need to know? What is this method acting school?
“What’s my motivation here? Am I angry, confused?”
the worst part of all this
putz has a mid 2 FIP. WHY DIDN’T WE RETAIN HIM
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
C'mon you know as well as I do
If they kept Putz he would have been awful again this year.
Plus can you have Putz and Dickey on the same team?
Is this the time to break out the ol' Chien-Ming Wang jokes?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Wang, Putz and Dickey
would be hard to beat.
I lobby Dick Pole for pitching coach
And, maybe we can coax Kosuke Fuk-u-do-me to leave the Cubs to be our hitting coach.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
LOLOL.
i always thought it was pronounced like the c-word. but koonz is even funnier.
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I had a teacher named Bill Kunz
He pronounced it both ‘Kuntz’ and ‘Koontz’.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing that somewhere along the line
someone didn’t legally change that. The girls must have been vastly relieved to get married.
out of the three closers we could have had
We picked the worst to retain
by secret defense on Jul 3, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if the Coupons shelled out 2 million we would have Bedard for after the AS break
that’s a low risk high reward worth taking a flier on.
Just got back
This was my 6th Mets game over the past two years, and the 3rd one Frankie has appeared in. In those 3 appearances, combined, I’ve seen him get 4 outs and blow 3 saves. Small sample size and all, but I fucking hate Francisco Fraudriguez – he has single-handedly ruined 3 afternoons/evenings for me in just over a year. Even Braden Looper couldn’t do that.
2009 Did Not Happen
Clearly, you are to blame for K-Rod blowing all those games.
It’s no coincidence that all these games that he blows saves in, you’re there.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 3, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I lobby Omar to hire Hyper-Chicken to sue.
If he’s not available, Single Female Lawyer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 4, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Millar
LOL he also said something like “Cora is 1 of the best defensive players I’ve ever seen” or something to that effect.
I caught that too
He used to be an average 2nd baseman/passable SS, but at no point has anyone besides Millar thought he was a wiz out there.
besides Millar
and the mets front office and manager*
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I hear that as well
He also said something laughable like “Francoeur is the leader of that clubhouse”.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Millar's an idiot.
If he didn’t have experience playing with the Red Sox, no way he’d get a national job. MLB Tonight devolves into the giggles when he’s there, and he appears to do next to no research.
Fox + ESPN send baseball back quite aways by trying to get entertaining ex-ball players from big market teams over headier ballplayers that know their stuff. Thankfully, I was at the park today. Didn’t want to have to struggle to decide whether Millar or Dibble was worse.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
It just seems like most TV baseball announcers suck in general
Kiner is half senile and is probably still in the top 10 most listenable guys out there. To be fair, seems like there are a lot of good radio guys out there.
The fact the Kiner sounds like he's been drinking Jack all day
is part of his charm – that and the fact he has more baseball knowledge in his pinkie finger than 3/4 of the league’s analysts combined.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Whenever I hear the name Kevin to this day
I think of “Kevin McElster” and smile.
As annoying as he is
I just can’t get too worked up about Roddy for this last game. He hasn’t been bad at all this year, and like someone upthread said, other than Rivera, Wagner, and a couple of other guys, all closers put their team’s fans through the ringer.
Not too sure about putting Wagner in that upper echelon
I’d much, much rather have Soria, Broxton, or Bell, probably Wilson too.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Yeah there's definitely guys I'd rather have over Frankie
But Wagner blew a save just two days ago, giving up a homer in the 9th. That’s his 3rd of the year, just one less than Frankie. Wagner is having a great season, but I bet if he was a Met this year people would be bitching and moaning about him too. “Same old Mets closer! He’s just like that sack of shit Benitez!”
by James Kannengieser on Jul 4, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Look, the guy has been awesome for the Braves this year, but I really don’t know why people remember Wagner as this holy saint of closers for the Mets, when he really was far from it.
Again, Frankie isn’t close to being worth his contract, but it’s rather odd how quick people are to jump on the “He’s fucking garbage” bandwagon.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Parnell partly to blame?
I mean he did face the 3-4-5 in the 8th, they ended up with 9-1-2 batting in the 9th, and if anybody gets on for K-Rod you’ve got the 3-4-5 coming up again. If Parnell does better in the 8th K-Rod’s facing Desmond, maybe even Kennedy to lead off the 9th with more wiggle room before the heavy hitters come up.
Nah.
I mean, Frankie’s still facing three terrible offensive players in Guzman, Morgan and Harris. He should be able to handle those guys.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 4, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
James K's next assignment:
Crystal Palace Vodka. Breakfast of champions.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 4, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
Oh, how painful they have become.
Oh, how painful they have become.
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