Ace Dickey Applesauce - Knuckleball baffles Cards, Met HOFers praised, Bay's opp. field problem
Meet the Mets
RA Dickey continues to be Omar Minaya's 2010 trash heap surprise savior and the Mets bounced back to take the series from the Cardinals. One reason for Dickey's amazing success: his incredibly low walk rate.
Jeff Francoeur may not be traded before tomorrow but that doesn't mean that he won't stay past August.
What was up with David Wright's creamsicle cleats in the All-Star game?
As Doc and Darryl enter the Met Hall of Fame some of their rival peers gushed over how good the two were.
I may have misinterpreted Ted Berg's column suggesting a Feliciano trade. I still think it's a good idea though.
Jason Bay is hitting too many fly balls to right field.
And, finally, my favorite link of the year: Ron Artest rapping about the Mets.
Around MLB
Roy Oswalt is officially on the Phillies as the veteran right hander agrees to the trade. Don't worry Met fans, our team has Doc Gooden going this Sunday. Phillies Nation is ecstatic. Hey, remember when there was at least one sucker who said that he would trade Strasburg for Oswalt? Drayton McClane wishes that guy was still a GM.
Oswalt wasn't the only player moved in a busy transaction day yesterday. Matt Capps to the Twins. Jorge Cantu to the Rangers. Miguel Tejada to the Padres. And Buck Showalter to the Orioles, finally.
Andruw Jones came really close to hitting Chicago mayor Richard Daley with a thrown bat.
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Is Feliciano Type A or Type B?
Because if he’s type A, unless we get 2 good prospects, we might as well hold on to him
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
The team Omar would be trading with would also know he is a type A though
It’s part of the package
by EtSuKe on Jul 30, 2010 9:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thing is
if we offer him arb, he is going to accept it. No one is going to want to give up top draft picks to get a type A free agent
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
this
not for a loogy at least.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
basically the only teams dumb enough to do it will have protected draft picks anyway
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
they still would give up a top 50 pick for a LOOGY
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
yeah meant to say type A LOOGY
thanks
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
I cannot believe Ramos was traded for Rauch.
With those kind of prices, I’d give up Pedro in a heartbeat.
yea it seems like a good time to sell off some of the 'pen
Except Captain Fastball… he better not go anywhere
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jul 30, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
And by Rauch I mean Capps.
My mind is still trying to figure out what the Twins were thinking and got mixed up.
by lefty vs lefty on Jul 30, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
We all knew what you meant
I agree with the sentiment also. Anyone want K-Rod’s contract while we’re talking relievers? HA
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jul 30, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it seems
that they want Capt. Kirk, and Omar doesn’t want to. If Downs had two years on his contract, then I would think about.
I would offer Duda and thats it.
by Coolpapabell on Jul 30, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
That Artest song is great
Kevin Elster reference. And Ron is a Jay-Bay fan.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 30, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
had no idea he was a mets fan...
makes me like him even more
by Mike Clemente on Jul 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Omar overvalues relievers ridiculously
but am I the only person who think that the last thing this team needs is relief help? K-Rod’s been solid, Parnell’s been fantastic, Feliciano, if used properly, is a good LOOGY, Tak, out of the pen, has been great, Dessens’s success has been admittedly BABIP-fueled but I’ll take my chances with him, Acosta’s certainly been adequate in his limited time, and Valdes has been very good outside of a few hiccups. Perez is awful, of course, but it’s not like any new acquisition would replace him anyway.
In short, the last thing this team needs is a reliever. I’m always in favor up upgrading wherever possible, but to the extent that we’d trade any prospects of value, they should be to upgrade the glaring needs on the team – second baseman, outfield, and starting pitcher.
by dontstopbelieving on Jul 30, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions
even if we needed a reliever, buying one in this market seems suicidal
teams are making huge overpays on anybody with the “relief pitcher” tag.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Ollie has the relief tag
Maybe we can trade him for Strasburg in stead of heart attack-rod
by SFloridaMetsFan on Jul 30, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You are not the only one. I agree, fully.
If the Mets were to find another starter, instead of a reliever (and given the amazingly similar prices, I’d rather have Brett Myers/Ted Lilly than Scott Downs, e.g.), we’d have five solid options in the bullpen, with Valdez being the 5th/long-man role.
Im selling right now
Im not sure why we’re looking to buy. With the relief market the way it is, I love Perpetual Pedro, but getting a top prospect for him would be wonderful. We need a 2nd baseman and OFer very badly and having depth in the organization would help tremendously. With the amount of innings Pedro is throwing combined with his blatant misuse makes him an expendable asset for any of these prospects being thrown around.
Agreed, I think we need to sell Pedro while the selling is good
we’ve put his arm through hell the last few years. One day it’s gonna just go flying along with a pitch and he’s going to end up punching the batter in the face from the mound. He’s been great, and about as consistent as you can hope for, but there will probably never be a time where we can get more for him than we can now.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jul 30, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Where is our Matt Capps?
With the exception of, really, one player — Pedro Feliciano — Omar has managed to build a team which entirely lacks guys like Capps. You know, people who fit the criteria of trade bait:
- Clearly above replacement, if not above average
- Relatively inexpensive salary-wise over the course of the team’s control over the player (as in, a good contract, or fewer than six years of service time)
- Someone who we aren’t going to rely upon next year
It’s amazing how few players fit in that mold, not just this year, but in year’s past. It’s also amazing that the types of players we collectively were clamoring this off-season for do, in fact, fit there: Felipe Lopez, David DeJesus, etc.
There’s no understanding of this concept in the Mets organization. They’re thinking big names, immediate future, etc. It’s sad, really.
Barajas would have fit the bill
earlier in the year. Obviously not now.
To be fair, there aren’t an enormous number of these types of players, period – you have to be good enough to be “clearly above replacement, if not above average,” but not good enough to command a longer-term contract, and not good enough to be someone you’d want to rely upon next year. For example, Angel Pagan would obviously meet the first 2 elements, but the Mets would be crazy to trade him (unless they’d get someone even more valuable). The Nats are able to meet the 3rd element easier because they’re a bad team – so unlikely to need a “big name closer” – and because they have other guys (Storen, Clippard) waiting in the wings.
by dontstopbelieving on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
There are a lot more than you think, though
You’re not counting:
1) Free agents to be with decent contracts (Adam Dunn), which we have none of, because we backload deals
2) Guys with one or two years left on bigger contracts (Roy Oswalt, Lance Berkman), which we being a big money team can in theory pay part of to get better players.
3) Players without a clear position (Felipe Lopez, Ty Wigginton)
4) Some combination of two or more of those (Kevin Millwood, Brett Myers).
You’re right that these guys are somewhat rare, but you’ll note that there are always of few of them on every team, the Yankees notwithstanding. We, however, haven’t had a guy like that in forever, it seems.
Dickey
would be another guy in this category on the Mets, although my guess is the Mets would want to try to re-sign him.
by dontstopbelieving on Jul 30, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Dickey better be a fixture on this team for the forseeable future.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dickey should be our Wakefield
keep him until he’s 80
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Jul 30, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Why isn't Pelf in this category?
Besides the “rely on his next year” part? Not saying we should trade him—not by a long shot—but he’s a hell of a bargain.
by MookieTheCat on Jul 30, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
hes making 500,000 and entering arb no?
not sure about that second part, why i am asking
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
Dickey has only 4+ years of ML Service time
He’s under team control for the next year, probably two in fact.
Fun with game logs
So after reading that Gooden/Strawberry article, I decided to relieve the pain of being a 21st century Mets fan by scrolling through Gooden’s game logs from his first few years, and I noticed a few interesting things: first, he had an ERA of 4.50 after his first start of 1985, then pitched a shut-out in game two, and his ERA never went above 1.89 for the rest of the season. That’s unreal.
Second, in early-August of his rookie year he had a mid-3’s ERA. He was obviously already having a nice rookie season, but from that point on he really turned on the gas, going 8-1 with a 1.07 ERA and 105 K’s in 76 innings down the stretch. In fact, from August 11, 1984 until May 16, 1986, here was his stat line:
417.2 IP, 37-6, 1.40 ERA, 422 K, 92 BB.
He then gave up 6 runs in 4 innings on May 22, and from that point until 1993, he turned into a mere mortal (though still well-above average) pitcher. Then it obviously all fell apart. But still – look at those numbers! Those are insane.
2009 Did Not Happen
Here's the key number
417.2 IP,
He wouldn’t be allowed to sniff that in this day and age, not in just two years of pitching. Strasberg is three years older than Gooden when was called up and he’s being capped at 150 IP for the year.
Anyway, it was a joy to watch Gooden in his prime. People forget sometimes that, even though he never approached that level of dominance again, he was still an elite pitcher for quite a few years. If he had about 3 or 4 more good years, he’d have a credible Hall of Fame case.
Right
He didn’t get “bad” until like 91 or 92 or so. He had some injuries and other problems that limited his innings in the intrim a bit, but when he did pitch, he still was effective, mostly.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jul 30, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The key word thei is sniff
I think his off field issues were more a contributor than his on field workload.
blurgh! - me
I wonder...
When Straw and Gooden turned to drugs. It’s logical to think that in light of certain of their teammates in 84-86 that they got into it then, but I’ve never seen any evidence to that effect. Sure, they were partying a lot, and there is strong evidence of this, but the whole drug thing seems a bit of a mystery.
by MookieTheCat on Jul 30, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember is 84 whenGooden first came up
getting tickets behind home plate and just watching his ball explode, They where like 15 dollar seats then for Loge Box
"I got a dawg called Jason Bay, we s'posed to meet for the ice cream at 1:30"
Gotta love RonRon.
Consequences will never be the same.
Opposing teams are tired of having Dickey shoved down their throats
by ZOT! on Jul 30, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
its hard to hit with dickey in their mouth
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
I think the way to save the season
is to have Dickey start 3/5 games. Let Niese and Santana start the other 2. Move Pelfrey to closer and use Taka in the pen obviously.
I like Ike, I hate Jerry

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