Five Ways To Improve The Mets (And Restore Some Sanity To The Fanbase)
by James Kannengieser on Aug 1, 2010 9:15 PM EDT
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Print1. DFA Oliver Perez
This is the biggest no-brainer of the five mostly obvious suggestions. Ollie's continued presence on the roster is an exercise in stubbornness by a front office apparently unwilling to admit a mistake. A pitcher throwing 87 mph and walking almost a batter an inning has no value in MLB. Money is driving the decision to leave him on the roster, not the desire to field the best possible team. Three years, $36 million was a terrible idea then, now and forever. 2004 was six years ago -- move the heck on!
Recently DFA'd Chan Ho Park would be worth a look as an option to replace Ollie. The Yankees dropped him on Saturday after he posted a 5.60 ERA in 35.1 innings of work this season. That's an ugly number, but he did boast a 2.52 ERA out of the 'pen for the Phillies in 2009. A closer look at his peripherals this year shows that he might have something left in that right arm. His strikeout and walk rates are still strong, as are his velocity and swinging strike rate. The biggest issue has been home runs, and it appears he has had some bad fortune giving them up this year based on his HR/FB rate, compared to his career rate and league average rate. Park would be an upgrade over several of the current bullpen options, although it's not worth trading anyone for him.
2. DFA Jeff Francoeur when Jason Bay returns from the DL
It's time to end the Francoeur experiment. His second half of 2009 hot streak has basically been canceled out by an embarrassing 2010 performance. Remember all that talk about how all he needed was a change of scenery? A chance to get away from the pressures of playing in his hometown?
Career numbers with Atlanta: .266/.308/.424
Career numbers with New York: .271/.311/.430
He's the same player, both north and south of the Mason-Dixon Line. The spring training excitement, generated mainly by a toothy grin and aw-shucks demeanor, has long since worn off. Apologists really have nothing else to lean on. It's great that he puts on a laser show during batting practice but any work he's putting in isn't manifesting itself during at-bats that count.
The corresponding move should be calling up Nick Evans to the big club. Nasty Nick is hitting .295/.366/.523 between Binghamton and Buffalo this season. The major league equivalency for that line is just .229/.285/.388, but you know what? Terrible as that is, it's actually better than Frenchy's current major league line. Evans should have played down the stretch last year in place of Jeremy Reed, Cory Sullivan and Fernando Tatis, but that mistake can be partially rectified by giving him a shot in August/September 2010.
Cutting Frenchy before Bay comes back from the DL would also be acceptable.
3. DFA Alex Cora
Someone in Omar Minaya's circle of trust has to realize what's going on here. Cora is 34 years old with a .535 OPS -- and if he plays just 19 more games this season his $2 million option for 2011 will vest. Gary Matthews Jr. was excised after posting a .507 OPS. Frank Catalanotto and Mike Jacobs were similarly peaced after failing to do anything early on. Why should Cora get a free pass? Does the Mets front office really value his veteran leadership and clubhouse policing to the tune of $2 mil per year? If Cora plays game 80 this year and the Mets continue to spend cheaply on the draft, that would be disappointing, but not altogether surprising. Justin Turner and Josh Satin are reasonable options to replace Cora.
4. Bat Jose Reyes, Angel Pagan and David Wright one-two-three in the lineup
This has less to do with improving the team and more to do with not having to watch Luis Castillo and Cora waste at-bats in the two-hole. Lineup construction has a minimal impact on scoring runs but as a simple gesture to the fans Jerry Manuel should try to maximize the number of at-bats for the team's best hitters. I've noted this before, but Jerry batted Carlos Beltran second in the order for the very urgent games 161 and 162 in 2008. Why can't he do something similar in all games? If it's necessary for a do-or-die situation, it should be necessary all the time.
5. Film a Ron Artest "Let's Go Mets" jumbotron video
Queens native Artest released a Mets tribute rap, lyricizing about his boy Jay-Bay, ice cream in little helmets and sipping Moet in the Pepsi Porch. Other celebrity fans have filmed less than stellar "Let's Go Mets" pump-up videos. Chris Rock's is earnest but awkward. Kevin James's is energetic but disturbing. I'd like to see what the colorful Artest would do if given artistic license in his version. Say Queensbridge.
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say queensbridge
is the real answer
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
No. 7: Fire Omar
No. 8: Form a coup and overthrow the Wilpons completely.
2010: Year of the Grission
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Agree with both suggestions...
And I think they feed into the one thing I could criticize from this post, and that is the comment about lineup construction. Sure, minimal changes in a lineup, such as whether to bat Beltran before Wright or Wright before Beltran ca. 2006, probably have a negligible effect given the number of variables in play, but doing something like batting a guy who doesn’t get on base 2nd night after night does. There is the obvious, such as batting a pitcher 9th (or 8th, if you’re feeling freaky), but in this stat-based world wouldn’t it make sense to pack your best runners-on hitter after your best OBP guys? Wait, crap, I think this is called the standard lineup. Why does Jerry hate us so?
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
it's not that he hates us
it’s that he’s stupid enough to think castillo is still an obp guy.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You see my thing about what Castillo's OBP has been since his return?
.265. Not BA. OBP. I know that 50 PAs or so is a small sample size, but well, come on.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
jerry doesn't watch with his eyes
he watches with his gut
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
No. 9: Find someone new to coordinate the laser shows. I suggest Henry Blanco.
http://www.doublebobbyjones.com/ -Double Bobby Jones: a Mets blog
hypo
if the Mets DFA Cora, they’ll go on a losing streak, prompting all the talking heads to blather on about how the team is losing because it has no leadership and a poor clubhouse atmosphere with Cora. then the Mets will win a couple of games, no one will mention Cora ever again.
I think we all are underestimating the value of Ron Artest making a LGM video.
i would actually go to games. He is already a Queens native, hes got people to back him up.
Consequences will never be the same.
how about we just sign him
for his veteran leadership, championship experience and grit and blue collar attitude. then we can dfa Cora and Frenchy cause he’ll fill the role. And if Jerry tries to pull the gangsta act Artest will be able to put him in his place.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Aug 1, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Hes been known to smack a few people around.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 1, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what that dude was thinking right there?
Not a good spot to be in. Ron Ron is a beast.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Well the dude threwa glass bottle at him soooo...
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 2, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure that was the wrong guy
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Not only can he...
replace Frenchy for telling others when to shave, but he can teach you how to carve ill shit all up on ya head!
Good ideas
I think the only realistic scenario is Ollie getting DFA’d. Even the stubborn and clueless management is getting to the point where there is literally no reason or excuse to keep this turdburgler around. Hes really one of my least favorite humans, up there with Michael Kay and Satan.
They will NEVER DFA Frenchy or Cora this year. I wish it weren’t the case, but Omar will give you the veteran leadership nonsense forever with Cora and they won’t consider Frenchy while Bay is still a question mark and Beltran needs days off.
I don’t really see the point of bringing Chan Ho Parking Lot in unless it’s to reunite the magic combo of him and Tatis to take their grand salami tricks on tour.
I used to think Evans didn’t get a fair shake and rooted for him, but admit it, the guys not a major league ball player. How is he gonna play a corner OF position with little power and the guy has struggled mightily in the minors.
The Artest idea is brilliant. Maybe some Met players can drink some henny in the clubhouse between innings. Maybe getting hammered is what Pelfrey needs to kill his demons
Evan's not a ML ball player based on what?
It’s really hard to suceed at the ML level when you don’t have consistant AB’s just ask The Animal.
If there's one great thing about Buffalo...
Is it gives you an incredible incentive to get out of Buffalo. I had a job that required me to go to Buffalo a lot. I tried to do the best I could to finish that one up in record time.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
3-4 versus lefties in buffalo
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
wait, evans struggled mightily in the minors?
aside from his stint in buffalo last year, when? he was one of the better hitters in the EL this year! look. he had a .527 SLG with 17 HR and 30 2B in 88 games in Bingo!! dont just say things man
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=t422&t=p_pbp&pid=452783
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
gimme a break
he hit .230 in AA and AAA last year and hit .294 in AA this year, which while nice, isn’t exactly grounds to be on a ML roster. I’m all for promoting from within, and I hope he gets some AB’s down the stretch in garbage time, but let him tear it up in Buffalo for more than 3 GAMES.
And while Carter hasn’t gotten a full shake, his plate discipline isn’t much different from Frenchy, so he’s gonna continue to get few opportunities.
he hit .211 overall in buffalo, he hit a better .276 in bingo
plus, last years numbers were mostly bad in buffalo, but he also had a .233 BABIP. yeah, he had a terrible april (although a 15% BB rate), was barely there in may, and a not great july, but then he had a good august and was good in bingo. still, that time in buffalo last year is the one bad spot on his career and he has played way better this year. you cant just say he has struggled mightily over 140 PA when he has almost 2500 other PA that he was rather good. despite that bad time, he still has a career OPS over .810. his wOBA in buffalo this year is .378 and in 2008 it was .390.
nick evans plate discipline is better than frenchy, his walk rate was at 10% in AA this year. (not that i ever talk about carter, i prefer giving evans the chances here)
there is way more to analyzing a player and prospect, and determining his readiness than just batting average, but .294 in bingo would probably work out to better than what we are getting from a bunch of our major leaguers anyway. but, for instance, evans still managed 25 xbh (10 HR) in his about 240 PA last year in buffalo, and i have already mentioned his numbers this year.
so come on, you ‘gimme a break’ and prove to me why he has struggled in the minors
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
again I'm all for giving the guy some AB's, I like him
I just don’t think hes a major difference maker, like the original poster said, he would project to about .229 which is Frenchy territory, with better plate discipline but a worse arm and less southern drawl. Again, I hope Evans could be a solid bench guy for the Mets in the future, but I certainly don’t think he’s a big part of the picture, because he’s been pretty good in Binghamton. Also, him and Misch must have kidnapped the Wilpons daughter.
i honestly cant buy that MLE thing
just me personally i guess
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
It's an estimate based on extensive research
And it’s treated as an estimate, not gospel. It’s the best we’ve got.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 2, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Projections for minor leaguers/rookies are notoriously inaccurate
compared to vets. Still, I’d imagine Nick would see most of his ABs vs lefties which should help.
Not while Jerry's his manager, he wouldn't
On those rare occasions Evans got to play, he’d be facing almost exclusively RHPs.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 2, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh.
I stopped paying attention when you said we should pick up Chan Ho Park. And at what point does AA admit a mistake in advocating for Cora. He used to be a fan favorite here.
Pelfrey, Niese, Dickey, Santana sure sounds like a great playoff rotation, don't it? Let's Go Mets!
Cora used to be a fan favorite?
Pass the cannabis buddy.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 1, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the link for the post when the Mets first signed Cora
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/1/14/720153/mets-sign-alex-cora
I wasn’t even here then, but it doesn’t sound like “fan favorite” to me
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Just so I unrec it. And then flag it.
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Excellent stuff
I think you need to add a few things:
a) Move Beltran to RF for the rest of the year. It’s upsetting to watch balls drop in, knowing Pagan would get to them.
b) Platoon Castillo with Turner. It’s basically a PR move; if we are able to trade Castillo next year, and I think we can, it’d be a salary dump for a sandwich.
c) Fire Hojo. I love the guy but he’s not doing his job well, plus we need a scapegoat.
RE: Excellent Stuff
If we are to believe what we read, David Wright has HoJo’s back. It would be hard to argue with that as Wright is producing. The fall guy could be Dan Warthen. As inconsistent as the hitting has been, how do you justify the pitching after today’s performance? Warthen is an easier target, but we’ll see.
As for Cora, if he stays, make him the manager, just as long as he doesn’t play.
by ColoradoMetsFan on Aug 1, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He made his second error of the year today (that throw was charged as an error, right?)
His UZR this year in right is 2.0, 11.1 in center, and 2.3 in right. Looking at his career numbers, I think it’s safe to say that Pagan is fine where he is. I’d rather nurse Beltran and be unnecessarily cautious right now than not cautious enough.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 2, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think one of those UZR #s should be in LF
But yeah, one bad play doesn’t mean Pagan shouldn’t be in CF. With Beltran’s knees a little questionable, it’s the smarter move. So of course, they won’t do it.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 2, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, oops.
The last number was his UZR in left.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 2, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I think errors a bit of a bad stat with CFs.
So much of it is playing the ball and getting where you should be so that what otherwise would be a clean double ends up as an out. There are too many non-error near misses that factor as important. I still think UZR is the Olympic code for a former Soviet Republic, so I dunno.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
i think that's probably why uzr would be better for judging outfielders
because it judges them on balls they field not on errors. i’m meh on it as far as infielders though.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
If anyone could make a perfect stat for judging CFs....
We’d have cured cancer. I agree that UZR is the best we got, but eeeeehhhhh…
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
but CF is so easy
mo vaugn could probably play there, and we should probably have just moved todd hundley there
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
If CF was easy...
Right field would not exist. And take it easy on Mo. He’s doin it fo tha shorteez nowadays, and that’s worth celebrating.
jerry said cf was easy i think that ws a reference
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
well he said it was the easiest outfield positon
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
yeah i was just getting on jerrys dumb logic
not hating on mo, just the slowest person i could think of
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
What?
Bahahahahaha. Man. Between the number of dumb things to quote in a snarky fashion, I just can’t keep up.
I agree.
The only reason for DrK to say that Pagan is bad in CF was because of that one misplay, and I wanted to demonstrate that it’s not as if it’s a common occurrence, no matter what kind of stats you look at to show defensive capabilities.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 2, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't generally think Pagan
is bad in CF. It’s just I think that people are blowing Beltran misplay in Arizona out of proportion.
Gotcha.
I misunderstood, then.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 2, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Beltran was a great outfielder...
Watching primarily on Gamecast I miss a lot of nuance nowadays. I know he muffed a couple of chances when he first came back but is it true that he’s not the old Beltran? This would make me sad. But I think the idea of moving Beltran to RF and keeping Pagan in center, and holding out Frenchy for the DH, sounds good because I’ve seen enough to know that Pagan is not a liability with the glove.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
it was good until the frenchy with the DH thing
cause that would mean using him for the thing he’s worst at
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
OK, I want you to make all of this happen, right now!
2010: Year of the Grission
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These are all great
Maybe I would bring Ortiz up instead of Park then Tak could work in Bullpen
Why take yankee reject
by Sir Tmac on Aug 1, 2010 9:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I see where this comes from and agree with all of it but....
at 2 million, Cora is the least of our problems.
The 22 million tied up in Francoeur, Ollie, and Castillo is what kept them from making any moves. The same 22 million that could have paid for at least some of the players that were traded between other teams.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
sure
but frenchy is gone after this year. ollie and castillo are immovable. with cora, at least there is still time to get rid of him and limit his damage to this year.
but i’m pretty sure we can all agree that cora will be a met in 2011
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Awful contracts
Just think about it. That’s Cliff Lee right there.
Would you trade Frency, Ollie and Slappy for Lee? Hell yeah you would.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Only Omar would trade Lee for Francoeur, Ollie, and Castillo.
And, he’s here, so unless he clones himself…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 1, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
How much to pay Texas to hire Omar?
Then make that trade? Probably less than 20 million, right?
Of course a "trade" is not happening with those guys
But for their salaries, you could have Lee next year and probably a decent middle-reliever. Far more valuable than the black hole that is the impotent 3.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
I would trade them for Robert E Lee.
The dead version.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
agree completely on Cora
People have to stop harping on this. Backup middle infielders do not hit. And the Mets were not going to sign John Lackey with the $1 million they would have saved on another backup.
They could have signed Felipe Lopez for $1 million dollars, or for HALF of what Cora signed
And he is WAY, WAY BETTER than Cora
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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not hitting
and hitting like cora is currently hitting are pretty drastically different. a 600 ops is not hitting. a 400 ops needs to be taken out back and put out of it’s misery.
also it’s not the 2 million to Cora. It’s the 2 million to Cora, the 2 million to GMjr, the 2 million to Toyota, the 5 million to Frenchy. All together it adds up to an impact player we could have gotten.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
well the 3 million* to Toyota wasn't that bad
though by all reports he was another case of them chasing all stuff no control which they have some sort of unhealthy of obsession with, but the rest stands.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
worse moves
Matthews was much worse than Cora, because not only was he a known bleep, but we gave up another player to get him.
And thinking Escobar was going to be the setup man.
Escobar was high risk, potential high reward
Cora has no potential for reward. He’s a terrible fielder, and an abomination of a hitter. $2 million may not seem like much, but it could have been the difference between signing someone like Pineiro or not.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
escobar wasnt bad
except we jumped so early and guaranteed money, which i bet no one else would have done
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
no multiple other teams were in on Escobar
and I’m pretty sure offering guaranteed money. He was one of the more popular bp arms on the market.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
And imagine the fun we would have had with someone named Escobar...
Keith would have been a supporter.
It's the thought process that went into it
For 1/4 the price, we could have netted better actual back-up middle infielders- none would gotten vests.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 2, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
and the fact that he was signed so early in the off-season like it was his #1 priority
maybe Cora is related to Minaya somehow and he’s taking care of the family.
Not just early in the off-season
He was the first player Omar signed last winter. Essentially, Alex Cora was a priority for this team.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 2, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
this
we signed him before superior 2nd basemen signed, which made zero sense.
hell kelly johnson only cost the d-backs 3 million.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Next year starts NOW
What bothers me most about the Mets is that they keep playing all these cast offs. None of the guys mentioned (and a few others on the team) should not be in the major leagues. How long do you have to see them play to realize that? They aren’t magically going to get any better.
I have respect for teams that actually have a plan and then start to work on the roster, like the Diamondback and the Indians. There is no sense of urgency with Omar. Next year starts now, start building next years roster now. For pete sakes, DFA Cora, Francoeur, Castillo and Perez now, let the young guys try to win a job for next year in the rest of this year. If they don’t step up then you can look for replacements in the off season, with trades or free agents. And BTW, the young guys can not do any worse than the 4 players mentioned.
by George_Sloan on Aug 1, 2010 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
yeah agreed
if you’re not going to make easy moves to give us a better chance this year then just call up the prospect types already on the 40 and let them play. no reason to keep sending out guys we know are lost causes.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Omar's so dumb he probably thinks that he can just put Ollie, Castillo on waviers and
teams will be falling over themselves to claim them
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Castillo is the only one of the four I wouldn’t get rid of in-season. There aren’t any second base prospects really tearing it up right now — I think Tejada could use some more minor league time before his next trip to the big leagues — and there’s a non-zero chance Castillo can be moved in the offseason. If it turns out he can’t be moved after the season, then cut him. At least with the other three there are younger guys or viable players who otherwise haven’t had a shot to step in (Evans, Dillon Gee, Hessman, maybe O’Connor).
by James Kannengieser on Aug 1, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not on the 40 man yet
but Josh Satin is doing a nice job in Bingy.
turner isnt a prospect
but i am tired of seeing castillo and cora suck it up, spread the chances around imo
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
Hit it on the head.
Its amazing to think that Omar and the FO still think there is a chance in a guy like Oliver Perez. How many blown saves can we take? How many terrible starts can we take? How may walks can we take? Literally, how many BALLS can we take? And they STILL seem to believe that there is a future in an Ollie Perez, or an Alex Cora, or a Jeff Francoeur? One season is ENOUGH to see if a man is a failed experiment or not. The truth is that the Mets have been holding out on false beliefs since the Wilpons became the owners of the team. They have turned “Ya Gotta Believe” into a flat out lie to the fans. Believe in what? That Oliver Perez can be part of a championship winning team? Or a division winning team for that matter? I think this past game was my last straw. I cannot take this anymore. It is time to clean house except for Wright, Reyes, Johan, K Rod, Beltran, and Dickey. The Mets need to be NEW again.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 1, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Forgot to mention keep the young blood (Thole, Niese). And Im an idiot for forgetting Pagan and Bay.
Im split on Pelf, Tak2 and Parnell. My point is that we need to change now, and it probably needs to be dramatic change.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 1, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i like your concept
but Johan, K-Rod, and Beltran (and Bay?) are all not as good as they used to be, and only getting older. I’m not comfortable building around them at all. Dickey and Pagan are both in their 30’s as well. If you mean building next year’s team, sure, but a lot of that core isn’t gonna make it past 2011.
The only guy I think is for sure on the decline is Beltran.
Johan and K Rod will be giving us quality pitching for years to come unless god forbid they get hurt. I am willing to give Bay more time. When you have a player who had a year like he did last year with the Red Sox, it is okay with me to have an “eh” year like the one he is currently having. You have to keep Dickey and Pagan, they have been godesends for us this year. I think this current core will take us places for at most 5 more years.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 2, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
"we believe in comebacks"
Jerry being Jerry
by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 2, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
its sad how obvious these moves are
and yet how unlikely they are to happen
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
yup, very unlikely
it’s depressing that none of these moves are likely to happen, and Castillo and Cora could realistically be on the roster next year, because of the whole not realizing sunk cost thing. And next year Perez will be ITBSOHL and be sold to the press a “great 5th starter” or something like that.
You're preaching to the choir, brother.
I don’t see any of those happening this season. I can imagine Perez being DFA’ed during the off-season, and Francoeur being “cast off” somewhere, whether it be via DFA or trade or something as well.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
I think Ollie
is quickly approaching Roger Cedeno levels of hate from the fanbase, when that happens you need to move him for his own mental health. The Mets would do him a favor to DFA him.
I think he's surpassed Roger Cedeno level
and that’s pretty tough to do. He’ll be closing in on Bobby Bonilla territory soon if they don’t dump him.
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 2, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
He's actively challenging Doug Sisk now...
I never thought I’d see the day. Sisk >>>>>> Cedeno in terms of fan hatred at the time. Keith and Ron talked about this once. The weird thing is that by all accounts Sisk was a nice guy, who tried hard, and was a team player.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Sisk just had no talent really
He walked more than K’ed by a large margin. If he played in any other era than his ERA would’ve been absurd. He also had the Heilman like ability to really be bad in close games.
Oh no objection.
Sisk sucked. But he didn’t do half the entitled shit that current guys who suck do.
Yeah, it's really hard to describe my/your Sisk hate to younger fans.
He was like Heilman except we had him even longer.
I know!
No one gets the Sisk thing. The best way I could explain it is if Ollie gave the fans the finger and proceeded to HBP home 3 straight walk offs.
I actually have forgiven Sisk, mostly because of something Ronnie said in 2006. Still, the level of hatred for Doug Risk (as he was called) never ceases to amaze.
well they both have incentive
Omar because is a damning indictment of you when you eat your own contract and the Wilpons because of the money.
Ollie and Boras are to blame too because they’ve removed flexibility from the Mets by not accepting a AAA assignment. This is becoming abuse of the guaranteed contract.
eh how is it abuse?
Omar and the Wilpons were the morons who gave him the contract, not Boras’s fault. And they have the choice to DFA him and just refuse too.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Well. I agree he should get his money as owed.
He should get his money but what good does it do for him to be this ineffective at the mlb level twice a week. It would better for Ollie the baseball player to go to AAA no? Can this be even refuted at this point. It seems like he’s trying to fuck the team over on purpose into getting fired instead of getting better.
it would be best for him to be dfa'd
and probably getting a chance with another organization. it’s pretty obvious if there’s a way to fix him the mets have absolutely no idea what it is or how to accomplish it. Going to our AAA won’t really do anything for him.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
It's hard to fix a Fastball topping out at 86 MPH
unless it’s all bad mechanics, Send him to Dave Duncan if he can’t fix him he has no business being in the majors
Maybe he can be better pitching right-handed.
Lord knows Ollie can’t be any worse.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 2, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
As I pointed out before
Ollie, as sucktastic as he is, did do the team a favor already by going on the DL.
He’s not trying to f*** the team. The FO is.
then he came off the DL
and now he is refusing demotion again
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
As is his right
If Omar wanted Ollie in the minors he should have signed him to a minor league contract.
When he signed him to be a major league pitcher, the team (and fans, imo) loses the right to complain if a player doesn’t want to go down.
fans can complain about whatever we want, we are fans
as for the refusing, he is quoted all the time about being a man – well be a man and do whats best for the team. i am more pissed at omar and company though, they cant seem to realize that they should just cut him free
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
and yankee fans can complain about their bench
I’m talking about being fair and reasonable.
But he gets paid the same either way.
The only reason Ollie refused the assignment was his ego. He doesn’t want to ride a bus 8 hours and sleep in a Red Roof Inn. So even though nothing remotely good can happen for him in the majors right now, he’s refusing to go to Buffalo, where he could actually get the work he needs in games that don’t count.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 2, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he refused
because Boras wants him to get dfa’d. Boras probably doesn’t think the mets organization can fix him if fixing him is possible.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Disagree.
You get a contract, you have rights. You can waive those rights if you want to, and if you are careful about the waiver you can set terms for it that don’t prejudice you too much. I think that Ollie and Boras shot themselves in the foot by not taking the minor league assignment, that is if either thought Ollie would ever be signed again. No one will take a risk on this guy now after the Mets deal. What confuses me more is that, even assuming that they thought that he was done and were just trying to stretch out the contract, that money is guaranteed. So why not take the minor league thing? From a contract point of view there is something very, very strange going on here. They killed their repeat-player value while at the same time doing something that can only be justified if you expect to be a repeat player. It make zero sense whatsoever.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
Boras figures someone is going to give Ollie a AAA deal when ever the Mets cut him to try again. Which is probably true, after all pitching is scarce. Which makes this all the worse because if he was behaving in good faith he would just go to AAA and try to fix it under his existing contract. My guess is this has become a pissing contest with Boras due to the stuff with Beltran more than anything with Ollie.
Yup.
Ollie may be terrible, but it’s his right to refuse an minor league assignment. I don’t blame him for that.
It pains me to say this, but Ollie did the team a favor by going on the DL with that mysterious “injury”. He sorta took one for the team there.
It’s 100% on ownership and the front office for his presence on the active roster now.
better idea
1. Send down your young talent with remaining options, such as Thole and Davis, to AAA.
2. Crash the team plane.
3. Convince MLB to let you fill your roster via expansion draft.
oof.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 2, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
murder
is not looked on kindly in our country. Plus killing Reyes, Wright, Santana, Niese, Dickey, Pagan(today nonwithstanding) and probably Beltran is not a plan to improvement. Which is the fustrating this about this bunch. If Omar could find 12 average players around this bunch we would be awesome. This team lacks Hisinori Takakashi’s on it’s roster.
12?
omar only needs to find like 4-5
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Worst post I've seen in a while...
C’mon man. I get your anger but just c’mon.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh wait, just saw your sense of humor thing below...
Sorry, lost my own sense of humor for a moment. Proceed as normal my post above notwithstanding.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 2, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
How about also sending Dessens down along with cutting Ollie and Acosta will come back to earth
That’s 3 spots in the pen to see what you have in the minors for next yr.
When you are a Mets fan
You need a sense of humor. Otherwise your nerves will eat you alive.
Ya gotta believe!
We have a Jesus and Angel on this team
what would happen if they do call up Satin?
thinking outside the box
Miroslav Satan is a free agent. And he has experience swinging a stick of wood.
You do know that "satin" is a glossy, silky smooth material, right?
Satan = Lucifer
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Nice work, all great ideas, a couple of thoughts
1) I think Satin is the best option over Turner and Tejada. They need an offensive upgrade more than anything. We’ve seen that Tejada and Turner are not really major league hitters yet, let’s see what we have with Satin, who has at least consistently showed he can get on base at all levels he’s played at.
2) Castillo needs to be added to the list of DFA’s. He’s worthless, but I guess it’s not realistic to hope both 2bs get dfa’d, but since none of these will actually happen because they’re the Mets, we might as well as add a Castillo dfa to the list.
3) Where does that MLB equilavench
cont...
Sorry hit publish too soon
3) Where does that MLB equivalency formula come from? That seems way harsh on Evans. Based on that, it would seem you have to hit about .388 and slug .700 to be a decent major leaguer. That math seems a little silly. I think Evans career minor league numbers actually are a little similar to Jason Bay’s.
Checked in here at the right time
MinorLeagueSplits.com, here’s Nick’s page. Fiddle around with the buttons on the top of the page to get the MLE stuff.
It has him at .948 MLE OPS vs. lefties and .619 vs. righties. He seems like a legit lefty masher.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 2, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Off topic, but a few thoughts from tonight...
Went with the wife to see Dinner with Schmucks and for some drinks after. With the benefit of a couple of beers in the movie theater (gotta love Key West!), I kept picturing Steve Carrell playing Jerry. After this we retired to a bar on Duval Street where my wife pointed out a “Willetts Point Shea Stadium” subway sign. This is why I can’t shake my Mets addiction. That sign made me endlessly happy.
It ocurred to me sometime after Shea was demolished that stealing one of those signs from the subway could be a cool thing to do.
By that point, though, there were no more Willet’s Point/Shea Stadium signs, so…And, it’s not like I have any kind of proclivity to doing things like that, either.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 2, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Ebay my man.
It’s what it’s there for. I have a few High Street signs from the A line in BK, acquired when they ended up in the trash outside a station renovation. I figured they were my just desserts for having to walk up and down the stalled escalators for the 4 years of my HS experience.
Instead of Chan Ho Park
I think Jose De La Torre could be a nice addition. He’s put up pretty solid numbers in Buffalo and Bingo this year, averaging 9.6 Ks per 9 with close to a 3 to 1 K to BB ratio (apologies if someone mentioned this earlier in the thread).
Joe of the Torre?
I prefer Bobby of the Valentine or Wally of the Backman. Sorry, had to.
That was a stretch
one other plus on De La Torre, he does not give up many homers. Only 3 in 52 innings this year and 11 total in 220 career minor league innings.
That was a stretch? Frenchy and the word "Above-Replacement-Level". Now THAT is a Stretch.
Or perhaps it’s gotten to a point where even below-replacement is too much to ask from him.
Somebody needs to tell Frenchy to retire and find another line of work like Bowling or something ’cause his Baseball IQ has dropped to the equivalent of Craig Carton….
Make the smart move and trade Reyes
Reyes is too much of a lackadaisical, non-winning bonehead. Send him along with Mejia to the Mariners for King Felix and Dustin Ackley. Our team desperately needs an ace and Felix is nasty. He would be ridiculous in Citi field. I think he would be more beneficial to our team than Reyes. Gives us the top 1-2-3 rotation in the majors with Felix, Johan and Pelf. Along with blossoming Niese and then whoever in the 5 spot. Then we add a potential big power bat in Ackley who we can groom or spin off in another trade for a more useful piece. All we do to replace Reyes is put Tejada in at SS full time. Then Pagan can leadoff with eiher Thole or Tejada in the two hole if either proves worthy. Go with a lineup of Pagan, Thole, Wright, Davis, Beltran, Bay, Tejada, Castillo.
Yea that too.
His head is always wherever Jerry’s mind goes during the game. Dreamy lollipop land
Better yet...
We still make the deal for Felix, but also if we can still do the deal w the Cubs for Big Z for Castillo and Perez on the waivers that would give us the best rotation in the majors. Look how scary this rotation would be. Felix, Johan, Pelf, Niese, Zambrano. Image Zambrano as our no 5 guy, one day pitches like an ace, the other blows up, but hopefully does more of the former. That rotation would only need 2-3 runs per game to win hopefully.
my sarcasm detector must be in the shop
i can’t tell if this is a serious post or not
no he'd dead serious
according to him we should also bench Pagan and throw big money at Crawford, because they’re totally not the exact same player at this point.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yeah
Trading the slick fielding 27 yr old short stop is the answer, for a guy we’ll have to sign for probably 20 million and might want to test first.
? King Felix already signed an extension
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
BTW
the remember that convo we were having about Latin players last week and the nonsense that get thrown at them for possibly racist reasons. The prosecution presents exhibit A.
Yeah, that's an awesome idea!
Why aren’t you GM, dude?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 2, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Pssssssttt....
I think he might be in line for GM. Just sayin’
Unfortunately, he missed the primary.
To run against Howard, he’ll have to mount a write-in campaign.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 2, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
like to see reyes Pagan and Wright hit 1,3 and 4
with Beltran hitting 2 until he gets into a groove. Pagan has been great with RISP, and David di well the few times he has hit 4th
DFA Ollie? but why, he threw a good game just 20 months ago
he has only given up 5 Er in 4 IP since his call up
That's good right?
I'm not sure, but that seems like a good number.
but seriously, it appears to me the Mets management has given up on 2010
with no moves at the deadline it is obvious they do not want to win this year. Every team in front of us for the wild card made deals.
Phils Oswalt
LAD- an speedy OF, SP, RP and 2B
Gaints- made move when they sent Molina away in favor of Posey
what guy that got traded
fits the profile of what the Mets need. The only one I can think of is Haren cause starters or always awesome to have. Except I don’t know if Omar has as much weed that Biil Stonemen had to get Jerry dePoto to agree to that trade
Kearns, Snyder
Woods, Qualls
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I would throw
Christian Guzman just cause he’s not Castillo too, but not because he’s that good either.
This post was linked to in Metblog
James has made it to the big time.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
havent checked the comments
but considering what he suggests for failcore, i cant imagine they are great. just hope this doesnt cause an influx of unhappy idiots with a computer
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
he seems to have opened the boards for discussion from everyone again
interesting
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
yahoo sports is the big time
clearly
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
i want AA to have a show on SNY now
not 3 years from now, and thats my stance!
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
Do you know how quickly that show would be cancelled?
It would make that Wally Backman minor league show’s run look like The Price Is Right.
I would love to see a AA version of Loudmouths, where everyone yells the same thing at each other in increasingly angry ways.
This is a great idea.
Now that rules for late-night liquor advertising have been relaxed. A show where guys from here sit around and review Mets games and do shots at stupid decisions. Basically, it’ll be like a game thread but later and with everyone in the same room.
“A Season Wasted With the Mets” would be a good title. Actually, this is a fantastic idea for cable access in NY.
its like MST3k except with Mets games
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 2, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And alcohol...
And angry New Yorkers, not sweet yet sarcastic Minnesotans.
In other words, it’s a can’t miss win.
hey we could make it humorous and educational
and maybe jerry would watch it so he could change some of his ways
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
Eric, Sam, James, et. al could be the hosts
and they could have guest trolls, and guest gametrhreaders, etc.
topics could be things like “how to get teh ringz”, “the meaning of rbizzz”, etc.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
I think This Week In Mets Quotes...
Could make an episode by itself, easy. Follow that with the number of articles posted on here, just synopsizing them and going over that night’s game could make a daily. And since you need a Michelle Beadle type, Gina???
lol their could be a geddylee daily segment during the show
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Question: Is Geddy Lee, in fact, God?
Point: Yes
Counterpoint: No
Next question
by James Kannengieser on Aug 2, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
James.
You really ought to look into this. Not a joke at all. Cable access in NY is cheap and easy to get time on. Production values will be low and with the number of nerds of various skills and vocations on here who would be willing to donate time, there could even be graphics etc.
Oh, and just to be clear...
I count myself as one of said nerds, and used the term lovingly.
Ha
If there were 48 hours in the day this might be something I’d like into. AA’s World, party time, excellent.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 2, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
There could be a countdown of that night's Jerryball moments...
And they could take calls, but as a condition of taking you call they might require (i) that you pretend to be Joe Beningo and give his opinions or (ii) that you email in images to make your call more humorous.
Better idea re: calls...
24 hour waiting period before you’re allowed to get on the show.
Funny...
… that you lead a post with a plea for sanity’s return, and end that same post by advocating that the team brings in Ron Artest.
I’m not saying I’m all for it… because I am. But… y’know… funny.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Aug 2, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
Originally, the last line of the post was something to that effect
But I took it out in favor of Queensbridge.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 2, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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