Mets 1, Rockies 0: Pelfrey Rebounds, Bests Jimenez

Mike Pelfrey had his first good start in a while, shutting down the Rockies for seven innings. He allowed just four hits and a walk and struck out four, and he actually missed some bats tonight (last start: zero). To boot, he outpitched Ubaldo Jimenez, who was also terrific, albeit slightly less terrific than Pelfrey. Jimenez lost just his third game of the season to 17 wins, if you're into that sort of thing.
Pelfrey threw a career-high 122 pitches, and PITCHf/x has him throwing 102 fastballs (53 four-seamers and 49 sinkers) and just six splitters. This jibes with what Josh Thole said after the game; it's clear that a concerted effort was made for Pelfrey to lean on his fastball tonight and the results, at least for one game, speak for themselves.
Hisanori Takahashi pitched a perfect eighth and Francisco Rodriguez a perfect ninth to close out the Mets' league-leading 16th shutout of the season.
The offense, on the other hand, was as awful as the pitching was great. They scraped together just four hits and five walks (two intentional). Ike Davis struck out three times and stranded four on base. If you're keeping score at home, Davis's career OPS is .759; Daniel Murphy's is .768.
David Wright is lost again at the plate, which happens with astonishing frequency for someone who is otherwise extremely good at baseball. He saw just 12 pitches in four plate appearances tonight, and one was an intentional walk, so that's just eight pitches to make three outs.
Chris Carter went 1-for-2 with a walk and Thole had the big hit, a double in the seventh that sent Jeff Francoeur (pinch-running for Carter) to third (and Thole to second, naturally) with none out. Francoeur would eventually score the only run of the game on a Jose Reyes sacrifice fly.
The Mets' hitters get a bit of a pass for having faced one of the league's toughest pitchers in Jimenez, though it's not as if they've been lighting up lesser hurlers either.
The Mets almost picked up a game in the standings when the Astros carried a 2-1 lead over the Braves into the ninth, but former Met Matt Lindstrom gave up three runs on two home runs and the Braves won 4-2. The Mets' seemingly insurmountable deficit in the NL East remains 8.5 games.
Poem by Howard Megdal
Big Pelf, at long last, resumed being giant
(A good thing-with these bats, Mets are arm-reliant)
Lone run on Reyes sac fly is all Mets required
Then K-Rod faced three; all three were retired
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Purple Row Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Mike Pelfrey, +43.5% WPA, Francisco Rodriguez, +15.8% WPA
Big losers: Ike Davis, -14.7% WPA, Angel Pagan, -12.1% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Thole double in seventh, +16.5% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Davis strikeout with bases loaded in sixth, -10.3% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: +71.1% WPA
Total batter WPA: -21.1% WPA
GWRBI!: Jose Reyes
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by MookieTheCat; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
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| 1 | MookieTheCat | 117 |
| 2 | deadspy3 | 105 |
| 3 | Gina | 104 |
| 4 | jdon | 89 |
| 5 | fxcarden | 88 |
| 6 | aparkermarshall | 83 |
| 7 | NetsMets4Life | 74 |
| 8 | Ballonthewall | 73 |
| 9 | Michkin | 69 |
| 10 | Syler | 58 |
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Four wins to the watch.
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
Very encouraging start for Pelfrey
Maybe all hope isn’t completely lost for him
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
He's turning into a Ron/Sid type of pitcher...
Lights out when he’s good, barely watchable when he’s bad. All in all I’ll take it.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 10, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You remember that too?
After I stopped watching baseball for a few years I got into it again and looked back on Darling’s career stats and was very surprised to realize he was a hair below average for a starter, and that he had only two good years.
In an odd way, I think the 1986 Mets team tends to be slightly overrated, having two big holes in the lineup and no one pitcher having a great year… though looking at the numbers a little more carefully, even though BBRef has George Foster as the primary LFer, Davey only put him out there for 256 PAs in spite of his then-awesome salary of, what was it, two million dollars? That’s a big difference between that organization and this one. My guess is that Minaya/Manuel would play Jason Bay almost no matter what, even if the equivalent of Dykstra, Wilson, and Mitchell were on the roster.
That was some, deep team, another contrast with the Minaya Mets. The backup catcher has a league average bat, the backup 2bman had a nearly league average bat. Kevin Mitchell put up a 124 OPS+ in 364 PAs. Even the fifth starter was almost league average for a starter. Cashen did a hell of a job putting that team together.
I’ve always wondered why that team didn’t dominate through the last half of the 80s. The McReynolds trade wasn’t a great one, but there’s no way it could be called a blunder. Gooden struggled terribly, of course. The Viola trade didn’t work out but it didn’t happen until during the ‘89 season. Straw’s best years were 85, 87, and 88 (it was interesting for me to be reminded that 86 was an off year for him). We laugh at grisson, but I wonder if letting a redass like Ray Knight go was a small part of that team losing its edge…
Otoh, 86 was Carter’s last good year. After than he fell off a cliff. Maybe it’s no more complicated than losing a HOF catcher and your HOF-level ace becoming no better than a decent #2 starter at the same time cuts the legs off of any team. Definitely seemed like the team had a different personality as soon as 1988.
Hmm. Letting Knight go was clearly the right move.
I remember he was demanding a two year deal and Cashen rightly didn’t budge. Assuming he would have played for the Mets the way he played for Baltimore, he simply fell off a cliff after 86, and was out of baseball after the 88 season. An 83 OPS+ in 1987 followed by a 63 in 1988—that’s Cora country. Plus, HoJo was already as good a hitter as Knight had been, was cheap, and looked like he was going to get better.
fwiw
ss rafael santana was terrible offensively. even more of a blackhole than people we have had this year. though i hear his D was good
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
His D was great.
He was the perfect 8 hitter on a team of bangers. He didn’t cost you anything in the field and came behind the kind of lineup that could take an instaout. So we loved him anyway.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 10, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but Total Zone has him at -13 for his career, and acc to
TZ he never had a great year with the glove. He had that rainbow throw from the hole that looked like the slowest lob ever thrown, but typically nipped the runner by a step. Drove some people crazy.
Ok...
But I know what I saw. A team doesn’t win 108 games with a crappy shortstop. In those days short was not an offensively important position (see Smith, O.) but Santana was good enough. I don’t know what happened to him before or after, but for that one brief shining moment….
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
teams can certainly win 108 with a crappy shortstop.
If the rest of the team is good enough, they’ll win no matter what.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Basically we agree...
He was what he was, and that was good enough in light of what he needed to be. Remembr who lost Game 1 of the WS. Tim Teufel, backup 2B, on a ball Santana would never has missed had it been on his side of the diamond.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
it certainly didn't hurt them to have him, that's for sure
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
I took it as gospel at the time since I was a kid and new fan.
But when we started to use Elster I thought Santana wasn’t all that good.
Yeah that's right...
My GF at the time liked Elster a little too much, too. I guess you could have had a lot of folks at SS with the rest of the 86 team and they would have been good enough. But Santana was the guy at the time,
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Santana was a statue. No range
He caught what he got to, though, unlike you-know-who. He was handy. No WS victory without Knight. Hojo was an afterthought that year. Sparky Anderson was right about him.
I think the idea was that since Raffy was so bad at the plate he must have
been a good fielder. Mets fans at the time were skeptical, iirc. Santana in 86 was a little better at the plate than Cora was this year, though Cora for his career was a little better than Santana.
In other words, you waited until either came to the plate, then headed for the concession stand.
I remember Mets fans were thrilled to find, with Kevin Elster, a shortstop who could hit a little. He was Cal Ripken at the plate compared to Santana. Turns out his career OPS+ was 83, which gives you an idea of how bad a hitter Santana was.
This misses the point on Santana...
The guys before him could score…A lot. I grew up never expecting anything after the 7 slot (Mitchell) and saw this as the grand difference between AL and NL ball. If you expect the last 2 guys in your lineup to be productive, moreover if you need them to be so to win, in the NL you will be disappointed a lot.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Right in about 27 different ways...
I just wrote about 4 pages to this but my browser crashed so I’ll give a synopsis on these points. Ron and Sid were increbily streaky. I remember a stretch in 89 I think where after underperforming after the 88 playoff loss to the Dodgers, the Mets went on one of those great streaks that make you happy to be a Mets fan. Ron was lights out, but I also knew it could not stand the test of time. In 86 the star of the staff was Ojeda, a pre-season pickup, with Doc being pre-additction Doc, Ron and Sid following ably in their 3rd and 4th starter roles, and even Rick Aguilera giving the team a chance to win. Having been one of the few lucky folks to see a Bruce Berenyi win at Shea, I can say that even the backup SPs could do the job. Of course that is easy when you have a team like the 86 Mets behind you. I think that Pelf has been given a raw deal recently, and that’s a problem that Mets fans have largely derived from recent disappointments. Streaky 3rd and 4th starters should be viewed in light of their total performance. Pelf just needs to be viewed for what he is, not what he needs to be.
As for Mitchell, he is emblematic of what was right with the 86 team and what is wrong now. Foster was gone mid-summer, due to a constellation of clubhouse and performance factors. Mitchell, I believe, played 7 positions in 86. He also was a backup you could count on ton hit, so the loss of Foster was of negligible cost. As you point out, that team has depth. A ton of depth. Even Danny Heep and Ed Hearn didn’t cause you to expect an instaout, though this was before sabremetrics and I’m going on the views of a then 8 year old. HoJo was backup, and was able in that role. I think Ray Knight is consistently underrated, as he was kind of a nutcase but the kind of nutcase who would preach fire and brimstone—he was very religious, fights notwithstanding—to any teammate who needed to hear it. He also started more than this share of fights, back in the day when fights meant something (as a former Golden Glove boxer, he could hold his own).
Here’s what happened to the 86 team. After that year the team was intentionally dismantled due to personal issues, but more than that (i) Gary and Keith got old, (ii) Straw and Doc had personal issues, (iii) Juan Samuel (enough said), (iv) Ron and Sid could not hold up a staff, as they were 3rd and 4th starters and could not be expected to be better (Cone notwithstanding), (v) Knight was replaced with HoJo, who was a better hitter on the books but not the teammate and was weak wihout support, (vi) the Mets lost the Roger/Jesse bullpen combination, both to the modern trend of having 16 relievers and to the loss of these guys who were great at their defined jobs, (vii) Davey Johnson, who relied on a “party hard, play hard” mentality was replaced by guys who were so milquetoast it’s disgusting, (viii) McReynolds was both not a leader (as maligned as the term may be) and not a nice guy, who detracted from the team, (ix) Santana was never going to be good except as a great defensive but bad hitting 8th hole hitter, and (x) the role players (Teufel, Heep, Hearn, Staub) could not continue as they did and Mitchell was gone. In these 10 points you see the deconstruction of the entire team over the course of 3-4 years.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 10, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and guess who instructed Cashen to dismantle the team...
I’ll give a hint…It starts with “Wil” and ends with “pon”
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Brilliant summary. It brought back a lot of things.
Thanks very much.
Was it really Wilpon and his gutless view of life and pro baseball that dismantled the team? Curse Doubleday for selling to him. Seems like it’s this attitude that 25 years later is still crippling the club with the imaginary “good clubhouse guys” approach to team building.
Re-reading what I wrote...
I think the essenetial mistrust of the team and its fans that leads to (i) the propensity to overpay for “sure things” that ain’t so sure, (ii) the reliance on “good clubhouse guy” over leaders who lead by alientating the entire clubhouse then punching someone in the face when the team needs it (Knight—the point being that he role of leader is not necessarily the domain of nice guys, but guys who step up when the need arises), (iii) the essential mistrust of most fans given this history (see .com, amazinavenue), and (iv) an ownership and managment structure that is so cowed by the anger held by the average fan that they would rather act symbolically in the manner that they feel would appease these fans for the time-being rather than construct a winning baseball team. In defense of Omar (and I feel like I’m about to burst into flames for wriiting that), he is in a posiition where mistrustful people demand something every offseason. Does this excuse the neglect of the farm system? Of course not, as this is clearly the way to create a good team. But it explains something of the management style. The anger of the destrruction of the best thing to happen to Orange and Blue since the Beatles played at their stadium (and not the Bronx), continues in the fan mistrust and tentative relationship between manufacturer and consumer that has defined the Mets for the past 2 decades.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Some things to add to your summary
regarding the bench players: Staub was gone well before the start of ’86, and Hearn was traded in the offseason after 86 for Cone. Gibbons would have been the heir apparent to Carter, and he raked in late ’86, but injury ruined him and they had to go with crappy Marty Lyons as their backup to Sasser in ’88.
Teufel was actually better after ’86 and had his career year in ’87 (slugging over .500 I believe). It was Backman that was never as good after ’86 and they had Jefferies to step in, but there was a lot of resentment towards how he was treated as the next superstar before doing anything. And he struggled in the field. But he was a decent hitter.
Darling’s injury down the stretch in ‘87 killed them, as did Ojeda’s injury and they lost a few games due to Doc’s suspension. If not for even 2 of those 3 things, they probably repeat as division champs at least. You can talk about leadership and all that, but McReynolds was a solid player, and his ‘88 season was excellent. In ’87 and ’89 he was among the better LFs in the game, too. I guess I’m one of the rare people that was a big McReynolds fan back then as a kid. He was a smart player, excellent baserunner and he had a really accurate and strong arm, too.
Sid’s numbers were on par with a lot of aces back then, he was more than a 3 or 4 starter on just about every other staff in the National League back then. He was one of those guys that never got run support and his win loss record reflected it. In ’86, Davey usually played Hojo or Mitchell at short during his starts because he knew Sid was a flyball pitcher.
I also don’t really get what you meant regarding the Roger/Jesse thing and the 16 relievers? If you look at the numbers, Roger and Jesse just had subpar years in ’87, probably because they were a little rundown from the previous season and postseason. The Mets probably should have relied more on Randy Myers that year, and in ’88 too, when he just mowed guys down.
Barry Lyons
Had Jets on the mind I guess, ha ha. Hard Knocks premiere tomorrow!
I don't know about that.
I always read/heard that it was Cashen’s desire to get rid of the nuts. He traded Mitchell because he thought he was a bad influence on Doc/Daryl. The real dumb move was trading Dykstra when all we had was a washed up Mookie for CF.
Easy now!
Washed up? C’mon, I’m not even getting started.
More seriously, yes, The Dykstra trade was turrible. As was getting rid of Mitchell because he was a bad influence. True, he did try to murder a teammate once. But who hasn’t? Michell seemed to get along very well for a number of years. Was he not a bad influence on the Giants?
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, Doc/Straw...
Were messed up by people other than Mitchell. He was street, but they had other influences.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone liked Mitchell on the 86 club and he apparently didn't socialize at all w Doc/Straw
And Mookie was getting up there in age. As much as I loved him, he should’ve been our 4th OF in the early 90s with Nails starting.
Trying to think here...
I seem to remember a game of basketball where he pulled a knife on a teammate. Maybe I have a gap in recollection of When the Bad Guys Won, but I seem to remember this. And I’m a firm believer that the Mets would not have won the 86 WS had Mookie not had his eye injury in the spring, allowing Lenny to take over CF.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced by
points v, vii, and viii, which make me doubt your take in general. I wasn’t around for it and don’t even know some of these names, but that kind of thing sounds like conventional sportswriter wisdom. Or “wisdom.” As if somebody in 30 years writing about this team opines that Beltran was talented but hurt team chemistry.
Jack Str’s last paragraph sounds like reason enough.
You never experinced the McReynolds thing...
It’s ok for you to say so, provided that you gave the proviso you did about not being there. Here’s the subtext: Juan Samuel was the trade for Lenny Dykstra and Roger McDowell. Ray Knight was special: every Mets fan I know either loves him or hates him. Davey Johnson was the right man at the right time, insofar as baseball, not life-ruining decisions, are involved. This wasa team that got into bar fights often and chose to include a segment on “How to Make a Hot Foot” in their team video, It was a different era where a fan would parachute into Shea and deal with a decade of legal battles to not give up his accomplice. Sure, question my approach, and without a doubt I romanticize that team, but it was a thing where you knew “we’re going to win, it has to be” that I don’t think any Mets fan since has come close to feeling. Does clubhouse chemistry matter in May? Perhaps. Does it matter in October where you see guys who refuse to lose no matter what happens? Yes. Without any factual basis, I will say yes.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
So will I.
‘86 did seem to wear the team out some. I remember the following spring, leading into the ’87 season, when Davey Johnson was asked whether he would be willing to go on record again, asserting again that the team would “dominate”. And I remember someone—I think it was Carter—grabbing Johnson and trying to physically prevent him from speaking. It was done in obvious good humor but I remember being surprised that a player would get that physical with his manager. I remember, too, being a little dismayed that Carter seemed genuinely reluctant to have Johnson repeat his famous assertion from the 1985-86 offseason. I’m not naive enough to think that small episode demonstrates anything conclusive, but I do recall getting the feeling that the team felt that with the incredible ‘86 season it had done enough, lived enough, and that there wasn’t quite the same fire in 1987.
I'm not sure
the team’s post-1986 decline was as precipitous as people think. In ’87 they led the league in runs and were near the top in ERA despite an injury depleted starting staff and an underperforming bullpen. Their pythagorean record actually bested the Cardinals by a couple of games. Injuries to key pitchers, and not a lack of fire, were their ruination. Then, in 1988, the Mets were once again dominant before running into a hot pitcher in a short series.
Yes, and again, the Darling injury in Sept. hurt
he missed about 4 to 5 starts and he was their best pitcher in the 2nd half. After starting out 2-5, he was 8-2 after the break.
hope it helps his confidence
I think his game is 90% mental, so anything that can help him believe in himself may wind up with a nice string of great starts.
by Rickfansince76 on Aug 11, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty awesome
AB by Reyes in a huge spot. Ubaldo brought it that at-bat too and Reyes did what he had to do.
Nice to see Pelfrey bounce back with a good start. Let’s see if he can’t finish the season strong.
Tonight was a truly fun game....
Albeit of the who cares variety. Oh well, nice to see Pelf back to form.
Clearly Pelfrey read my post and was afraid the Mets were going to sit him down for a while.
Btw., it looks like Nelson Figueroa is again having a good year, making next to no money.
3.38 ERA in 37 innings in the majors, better than that in the minors. Does he have some kind of intolerable personality, or is he one of those poor guys who, no matter how much they bath, still smell bad? The Mets, who were desperate for pitching, cut him. He pitched well for the Phillies. They got rid of him. He’s pitching even better for Houston. I assume they’re going to shoot him sometime soon.
I was at his CGS last year
Always liked Nelson and felt that, however middling he was as a player, the organisation was pretty classless in their treatment of him
Jack Str for Pitching Coach?
If you can do this now, imagine what you could do in the clubhouse.
As for Figeuroa, he’s a local Brooklyn guy who everyone loved because he overcame the odds. The problem with guys who overcome the odds is that the odds are still stacked against them, and if they fail, those odds come roaring back. Basically, it’s the “baseball man” analysis that overrates guys who for some reason are established, but denying guys who came from some different path. Is Figueroa ever going to win a Cy Young? Clearly no. Can he contribute? Sure. Once again the key is proper utilization.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 10, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
could he be better than multiple guys who have started innings for us?
le sigh
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Based on articles about Figueroa himself,
he actually sounds like a real cool dude. He’s apparently pretty smart, and is good with mechanics and electronics, and stuff like that. I don’t remember what team he was with when this happened, but instead of sitting around in the bullpen, or the dugout, or where ever, the manager told him to put together a slide projector thing.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 10, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how they looked at Nieve and thought he was the better option.
IIRC, it was either DFA Nieve or Figgy. Figgy at the very least looked like a good ROOGY/mop up guy.
good start by pelf
good finish by krod
damn guys, where was this like 4 weeks ago
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
You mean
when there was pressure to perform? Good luck.
Bit of a shock from Pelf. I didn’t think he had it in him. Must have had a good couple of laps around the VIP lot. Good to see that he isn’t still trying on the heralded 46 jersey.
Pelf is what he is...
As I said in way too many words about, Pelf needs to be viewed as he is. He’s a decent 3rd starter, not a star. Take him for what he is,. and the past few weeks are acceptable.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still proud
Or not. Or maybe. The thing is. . . disucssion . . . brought to you by Verzion . . . I interviewed Randy Niemann . . . smart baseball.
Got Jimenez on my fantasy team
I would have prefered a ND, but giving up only one ER is fine with me.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 10, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
Nice win tonight
Great plays by martinez and davis. I can’t be upset with the offense tonight facing jimenez.
O sure does look good...
When the D gives up nothing. Not disagreeing with you, but…
by MookieTheCat on Aug 11, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Good game...but actually watching it at the ballpark? Terribly boring.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Not in the Air Conditioned Caesar's Club
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Aug 11, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Lucas Duda with another 2-4, HR, BB night
Good thing we promoted FMart too soon.
If he homers in 7 straight again
it wouldn’t matter. It’s like the Mets have blinders for who they’ve labeled prospects and ignore all other outputs by their farm. It’s sad, the Mets could use his plate discipline and power but opt for Martinez, who we know just isn’t ready yet. And if anything, he should play everyday in the minors where he’ll get to face left handed pitching.
yeah that's pretty much what figgy said about the system when he left
that there’s no reward program or w/e, it’s all based on their initial opinion of you.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Figgy lobby for Delta miles.
You know, we had to investigate the investigation of Figgy because he lobby before, he lobby for more Delta miles instead of bus trips. He lobby for a Disney trip during Spring Training. After the investigational procedure of investigate, we had to, you know, let him go.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
not to mention adding to F-marts service time before he's anywhere near ready.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Hey, we can always take back second place. I mean, did you see the Phils receiving a righteous ass-whoopin' in their own park?
Wait a minute, what the hell am I thinking? It’ll never happen.
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
Pat Misch being brought up
to take Tak2’s start (Saturday?). Question is … who’s being send down (or released???)? (Please no “I hope it’s Perez” comments because we all know that won’t happen.)
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
I saw Fernando Martinez
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 11, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
*Say
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 11, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
IMHO he will have a few good starts
then stink to the high heavens. Kind of like Parnell, although they ae not the same pitcher. There are just guys like that. But I can watch….and hope.
didn't gain but we didn't lose ground
if we can start getting good starts fromPelf to go with Johan and Niese..and the usual good Dickey start, maybe we put together a nice 10-15 game span where we gain ground
anyone else notice that most of our lineup began the season at AAA
F-Mart, Davis, Thole, Carter, Tejada
thank you
for thole/carter or this would have gone into overtime and no w for pelfrey
Eric,
Carter didn’t score the run. After he walked, Francoeur pinch-ran for Carter. This was important because on the Thole double, Frenchy “got a late start” (Howie/Hagin’s words) and he only ended up at third. In the end, it didn’t matter cause he scored the run on Reyes sac fly.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.



































