Another Shutout Win Applesauce - Mets win without Beltran, Francoeur trade request, Bay wants to play
by Joe Budd on Aug 11, 2010 8:04 AM EDT
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Meet the Mets
Carlos Beltran sat last night, inspiring the Mets to play hard and get a win against one of the National League's elite pitchers. Beltran also cleared waivers, making the clubhouse cancer available for any team. That might be a little over the top in the sarcasm. The clubhouse's real cancer, inept and barely professional ballplayer Jeff Francoeur, says he would like a trade to a team where he will play everyday. Bridgeport has not returned Omar's calls. I shouldn't say that either because he might not be able to beat out Tike Redman in that outfield.
Fortunately for the Mets they didn't fall behind, because Alex Cora says that they don't know how to "bounce back".
Jason Bay insists that he is coming back sometime this year. Knowing the Mets, this is true, but he will be back on the DL within a week.
Tom Glavine Pat Misch will likely get the Saturday start against the Phillies.
Jose Reyes seems to have some problems focusing on every pitch while in the field.
Johan Santana's rape accuser is taking her case to a civil court.
Robert Knapel talks with Jeurys Familia and comes away impressed by the kid's work ethic.
Our very own Rob Castellano was featured in an article about the NYPL-leading Brooklyn Cyclones over at Fangraphs.
One more thing, the headline for this article in my Google Reader was Ex-Met's niece reportedly shoots girlfriend. It's an article about Shawon Dunston. Dunston was a Met for HALF A SEASON. I can understand Lenny Dykstra always being referred to as a former Met, but Shawon Dunston?
Around MLB
The Braves stun the Astros, but may lose Chipper for a long time. More entertaining than baseball may have been the death of chivalry that occurred in the stands.
The Braves have gotten enormous production out of their catchers this season.
Stephen Strasburg put up his first real turd of his MLB career.
The NL Central race looks to be one to start paying real attention to. The Reds and Cardinals do not like each other, as evidenced by the bench-clearing fight before the start of the bottom of the first inning. During that fight, Johnny Cueto went all kung fu on St. Louis.
Even the firing of an NL Central pitching coach, in Pittsburgh nonetheless, gets intriguing.
And, finally, Orlando El Duque Hernandez is trying to make a comeback in the GCL.
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Jeffy
Shut the hell up and take a pitch.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
I am not so sure Francouer asked for a trade
Francoeur quote from the NY Times "I don’t know what was said," Francoeur said. "I’m pretty sure they didn’t request a trade."
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/sports/baseball/11citifield.html
In this case I think it is his agent who is a jerk. I read someplace where she said she was frustrated with the Mets because they had not started the negotiations for next years contract. She is definitely pissed at the Mets FO. I am sure she wants Jeff traded someplace so he won’t be non-tendered.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
His agent
represents him. He’s ultimately responsible for everything she says. He can try to hide behind the “ignorance” defense but that won’t work for me.
waiting patiently for the clubhouse cancer articles
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 11, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I think he needs to find a better agent. His agent is a jerk, she should not be talking to the press.
I just don’t think he has requested a trade. I hope he realizes there aren’t very many teams out there who would want him. There might not be any teams interested actually.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't give him too much credit
Frenchy wouldn’t be the first athlete to think too highly of his own abilities. He probably thinks he’s one adjustment away from being The Natural again.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 11, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be sad
He needs to re-adjust his thinking, if he has any future at all in MLB, it will be as a backup, not as an every day player. Unless he realizes that, he is finished.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Regardless of the context of his quote or who said it,
the point remains that if he wants to play, he needs to be better at baseball. For starters, better plate discipline would be a good start.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Agreed, but
this “better at baseball” line? Old.
of course
but picking fights for the sake of it just seems unnecessary, right?
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
what else should they say?
i mean would you rather them explain every individual thing he needs to be better at?
recognizing curveballs
recognizing change ups
recognizing sliders
recognizing splitters
recognizing slurves
recognizing other off-speed pitches and breaking balls
recognizing fastballs that aren’t down the middle of the plate
strike zone control
general hitting mechanics
base running
fielding
ball tracking
accurately throwing
i mean it’s so much easier to just say baseball.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
by Gina on Aug 11, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can just say
“isn’t very good.” The cheeky “at baseball” was funny a couple times, but it now shows up more than “traid David Wrong!!!”
In all honesty,
my intent wasn’t to be cheeky in that particular comment. Clearly, he has holes in his game and in order to be a starter at the MLB level, he needs to fix those holes. I am not a baseball coach, so I can not help him specifically as to how to fix them.
Quite frankly, I don’t think “isn’t very good” doesn’t describe him either. Frenchy is still in the top 0.5% (roughly) of the world in baseball playing abilities. He still gets paid to play baseball, whether at the major league starter level, major league bench level or minor league level. Hence, I went with “better at baseball” to say that he is very, very, very good but not so good that he deserves a starting role on a major league roster. If you still think that my intent is cheeky, I sincerely apologize for that cheeky-ness.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
He can hit lefties, but there are other players who hit lefties (and righties) better than him and cost less.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Many of whom retired 15 years ago
Now that’s cheeky.
Don't apologize when someone else is being an ass.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Jeez
You really do like to start fights, don’t you? You’re gleefully insinuating yourself in other people’s non-arguments. Just stop.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like that.
Ironic, I was being an ass while calling you out for it, haha.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
No prob
The intranets is a strange world without verbal cues or vocal inflections.
I bet Frenchy would play every day in Buffalo
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
Doubtful
He would have to beat out Capt. Kirk, Duda, and Feliciano. Tall order for him. By the way, FMart had a big league walk?!?!
Carlos Beltran quietly goes about his business
And Cora and Frenchy can’t shut their yaps.
But Carlos is the clubhouse cancer?
by dcmetsfan on Aug 11, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't see it
No one wants him because they can’t afford him, not because he is a cancer. And of course, he looks like he could be done as an elite player because of age / injury.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
lol "quietly going about his business" means hitting .195?
It’s hard to keep that level of suck quiet.
by dantesinferno on Aug 11, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And I see we have a new commenter
Let me guess, new to Amazin Avenue and the concept of small sample sizes? Well, you’ll fit right in . . . to this website.
AKA GeddyLeeIsGod
Oh that pesky IP address thing. Later.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 11, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Woh, you mean you can like tell where we're writing from and stuff
This internet thing is a mysterious place
he can actually read our thoughts too
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
Cast in this unlikely role
Ill-equipped to act
With insufficient tact
One must put up barriers
To keep oneself intact
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 11, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what IP is
but I know two freakin’ letters sure as hell can’t tel you were I am.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Not sure you got the joke
but I was making fun of GeddyLeeIsGod’s interpretation of FanGraphs.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
The death of chivalry
LOL.
Girlfriends do make good backstops.
The dude is definitely a tool for diving out of the way.
Bo the Bailer
Well, I like his excuse, “I lost it in the lights”.
by Coolpapabell on Aug 11, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
His first mistake
was taking his girlfriend to an Astros game.
Anyone else see the resemblance to a young Francoeur?
i dont think he dove out of the way
he is just not good at catching balls.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
the dude was paying attention
did you see how quickly he grabbed the ball after it bounced off his girlfriend? I think he had a plan all along.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper
hope this doesn’t sideline him for the rest of his final season. I hate to see the Met killer end his career on that kind of a note
yeah
he didnt really throw anyone under the bus but himself.
I mean, the team hasnt been hitting… And the streakyness has been very evident.
I guess it was in the interview, but I didnt see the quote of: “bounce back” anywhere except in the posts headline… which is not the best source of news.
“We just didn’t hit,” Cora said. “You can tell it was hard for us to show up and push it. It’s not that we quit, but it was very hard to find that level of consistency that winning teams have.”
can anyone here really argue with that statement?
We can get on Cora for not being good at baseball, he himself admitted it. But I never heard anything about him being a jerk. His teammates love him. His coaches love him. He has a bunch of respect around the league. He seems like a good person overall.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
Lobbying for a future job as a manager (or broadcaster as a fall back)
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Misch
glad he is getting a start, either him or Gee is worth a look atthis point. keep them up for the rest of the season and see what they do, so at least we know where they stand for next season.
Francoeur
The sense of entitlement this guy has is incredible.
Omar would earn so much respect from me (another 3-year extension!) if he said, “I’d be happy to trade you, but no one wants you.”
Yeah
But he’d be lying as long as Dayton Moore is a GM somewhere.
EX-BRAVE~!
by Jeffrey Paternostro on Aug 11, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Say what you will about hockey
But at least the fights are mano-a-mano, and the players (or rules) are smart enough to know that when everyone wants to be a “good teammate” at once and lurch toward the “hot spot” in the scrum, it creates a much more hazardous situation.
French-coeur’s agent just wants him out of there before he’s stigmatized as a bench guy. His stats did that work for him, however.
I would have to agree
Francouer is deathly afraid of being type casted as a bench guy. It is going to be next to impossible for him to get a starting job somewhere next year. If Drayton Moore doesn’t bite, he is pretty much sunk.
by Coolpapabell on Aug 11, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think there is a chance
that he could be a starting RF for a small market team next year, Maybe someone like Pittsburgh, KC or maybe even Oakland, depending on if Sweeney can get healthy.
The biggest problem you have in trying to trade him now is his contract / CBA. Any team is going to have to non-tender him at the end of the year, because he is not worth $4M a year, which is the least amount he can be offered under the CBA I think. And absolutely no one would risk going to arbitration with him. So he will be a free agent this winter, and I can actually see some small market team signing him for a more reasonable $400K to $800K contract.
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by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He is getting 5m this year. If anyone offers him arbitration, he'll earn more than that.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
don't they have to offer him arbitration if they pick him up?
since he’s still under team control?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
not sure really
the CBA says a team can offer a player 80% of last years contract, which would be $4M, but I don’t know hat happens if he turns that down, I don’t know if that would trigger arbitration. The other option would be to non-tender him, in essence making him a free agent. I would think the Mets would not offer him anything, just non-tender him. That would be the safe move.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think any team is forced to offer arbitration to players.
If they don’t want him or don’t want to take the risk of arbitration, they’ll non tender him and then any team can sign him.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
Absolutely Correct
my understanding is there are 3 options:
1) Sign him to a contract, minimum would be $4M based on the CBA, both parties agree to terms.
2) If they can’t agree, go to arbitration, minimum Mets could offer is $4M, Francoeur could theoretically submit any amount he thought he was worth.
3) Non-tender him, which basically means the Mets release him. Francoeur is then a free agent and can sign with anyone for any amount, even the league minimum which is $400K. He could even re-sign with the Mets.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
arbitration would be hilarious
Mets’ offer: $4,000,000 and not a penny more
Frenchy offer: um, $4,000,001?
Image credit to astromets
no i mean the team that signs him not us
like the d-backs had to go to arbitration with Johnson didn’t they?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
No
Arbitration would not apply if a player is non-tendered. He is a free agent and would have to come to terms on a contract just like any other free agent. Kelly Johnson did not go through arbitration with the D-Backs. They just agreed on a 1 year contract themselves.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
but isn't he still arb eligible?
like when we picked up Sullivan he was arb eligible this year
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Sorry, I am confusing you
So there are 2 types of arbitration, the first is in a players years 4-6 in the majors. Arbitration can be requested by either the player or the team. The second kind of arbitration is at the end of a free agent contract, which has to be offered by the team only, the player cannot request the 2nd type of arbitration.
Francoeur’s last year of the first kind of arbitration is this year, and if he is non-tendered by the Mets, he will never be able to request arbitration himself again. He would be eligible for the second kind of arbitration, but only if the team requests it. Usually the team will only request the 2nd type of arbitration if they are looking for draft pick compensation.
Sorry for the terrible explanation, but hope that helps.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No I understand the two types of arbitration
but if you look at Cots Johnson is still listed as arb eligible because he doesn’t have enough service time to be a free agent. That’s my point, though I think Jeff will be in his third year next year so it would be moot. If a guy is picked up before he accumulates enough service time the team that picks him up still controls his rights I thought.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Right
That is my understanding as well. If a player is released (or traded) that does not effect his service years, so he is under the new teams control for years 1-3, arbitration eligible years 4-6, and can only become a free agent in the 7th year of major league service.
by George_Sloan on Aug 12, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Clarification
So for 2010, no arbitration could be used when Kelly signed with the D-Backs, since he was non-tendered by the Braves. However, since Kelly has not been in the majors very long, he will be eligible for arbitration in 2011 with the D-Backs if they can’t agree on their own or the D-Backs don’t non-tender him. In 2012 he will be eligible to become a free agent.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
KC wouldn't even trade a player they've sinced dfa'd for him
by most reports. And Pittsburgh is looking for undervalued players, I definitely can’t see any reason Oakland would pick him up. I just can’t see anyway he’s starting next April barring injuries and desperation.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I agree, not in a trade with the current contract
no one will trade for him, no one wants his current contract, but if the Mets non-tender him as everyone expects, that would make him a free agent and probably very cheap. He is probably better than say Lasting Milledge in Pittsburgh, or pretty much anyone Oakland has if Sweeney doesn’t recover from his knee surgery. KC outfield is a mess as well. He probably would be worth it for a year.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Millege is younger
cheaper, and putting up a better OPS. Why would PIT want Frenchy?
by SoCal Metfan on Aug 11, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Not according to WAR
Milledge’s WAR is -1.2 and Francoeur is +0.7 this year, so I guess i is debatable on whether Milledge is better.
As soon as the Mets non-tender Francoeur, he will become cheap. It will be a super Frenchy sale. I am just speculating, but I really think he will end up signing next year for somewhere between $400K to $800K.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
Where are you getting those WARs from?
Fangraphs has it at:
Milledge: 0.8 WAR
Francouer: 0.2 WAR
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 11, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball Reference
Sorry, not sure why the difference?
Francoeur Link: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/francje02.shtml
Milledge Link: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/millela02.shtml
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Which one is more accurate?
Or is it just debatable on who is better? Sorry for the stupid question.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Fangraphs WAR uses UZR and BR uses TotalZone.
UZR is regarded as better than TZ, but it’s still recommended to look at all metrics and to use 3 years worth of data to figure out their defense talent.
You might want to read the UZR primer too.
In lobby campaign for Chris Carter.
BBRef has some very odd numbers.
Derek Lowe in 2009 as a replacement level player: 0 WAR. Fangraphs has Lowe in 2009 at 2.7 WAR. That’s a huge difference, and BBRef looks hopelessly wrong on this. Lowe had around 200 innings with an xFip of 4.04. No matter how you slice the data, pitchers who put up Lowe’s numbers from last year are not freely available.
My post still stands accurate
Younger, cheaper, better OPS.
The defense aspect of WAR makes total value debatable, but the three things I’ve said are absolutely factual.
by SoCal Metfan on Aug 11, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Cheaper – who knows, Milledge will be arbitration eligible next year (I think) and he currently makes $485K. Who knows what he will make next year. As soon as the Mets non-tender Francoeur, he can and probably will make close to the league minimum. I am just speculating, but it looks to me like they will probably make about the same next year.
OPS – Again pretty much a wash, Francoeur has a career OPS of .736 and Milledge an OPS of .723. In other words they are equally as bad.
Age – Yes, definitely, Milledge is a year and about 4 months younger.
Again, I am just speculating, but some small market team will see Francoeur at $400K to $800K as a bargain, especially if he has one of his hot years, like 2007 or the 2nd half of last year.
And as always, some GM (maybe Pittsburgh) will overate potential vs actual.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Francouer will get over $1m next year, easily.
In spite of what a few people have written, an average defender who can put up an OPS of .850 against lefties and who might not be completely hopeless if he had to fill in full-time for a month has actual value. If he fills a hole on the bench of a big market team like the Yankees or Red Sox $2m for 2011 wouldn’t surprise me at all.
For some reason
Francoeur strikes me as a player Boston wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Someone will be stupid enough to sign him
and you know what, it might be worth the gamble, at a cheap enough cost, say under $800K. I just don’t know what kind of problems he will cause if he is not the regular RF. I am not really liking what I am seeing with his attitude right now, I think that will scare off a bunch of teams. I think if he wants to play every day there is only about 3 or 4 teams that come into play, and I am not sure if any of them would have any interest.
by George_Sloan on Aug 12, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
KC, Houston, San Fran, maybe Detroit or Milwaukee
as far as everyday is concerned.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
he cleared waivers
so no team in the entire league was willing to take him for the price of less than 2 million
i think it’s safe to say he’s a little late on avoiding the stigma
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Say what you will about hockey?
OK. Hockey is the best thing ever and more people should watch it and respect the people who play it as the best athletes in the world.
/that came out a little stronger than intended.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
you guys better hope he doesn't get traded
Francouer Avenue Enterprises would be bankrupt within hours and Eric Simon would be reduced to wearing a barrel with suspenders instead of clothes.
Image credit to astromets
I do agree with Reyes; games tend to drag on
They should throw fewer pitches and the game would be more exciting.
Image credit to astromets
Not when the Mets are batting
those half innings last all of 8 pitches.
So sick of Cora running his mouth
At least he recognized his own terribleness, so I guess that’s something
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 11, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
Future managers
always shit on their players or former players in the media, right? Right? [crickets]
Brandon Phillips
Gets an A in my book, and Cueto get an A+ for bringing the dojo onto the diamond.
I think I am going to try and watch more Reds-Cards games down the stretch. It should be a fun pennant race.
Agreed
I bet he made a crack about Yadier always wearing too much makeup.
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I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
AH-HA!
I’ve needed that info. No more gigantic Geddy Lees from me. Thanks!
no problemo
just make sure there is a space after the url" and it is before the last / and you should be good to go! the number neeeeds to be in ""
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
So what happened to "Voltron" being the savior?
I hear no shortage of sarcasm and one-liners trying to defend Beltran, but no one has acknowledged how badly he’s stunk it up since coming back, offensively and defensively. This might be tough for you, but take off the rose-colored glasses for once and see Beltran for who he is right now – a hollow, pathetic shell of his former self on the field who’s collecting the same 18 million dollar paycheck off it.
91 PA's.
And flagged, pretty obviously you’re a troll.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
He's not making any visible progress at-bat to at-bat
If he was, maybe I’d get off his case. All he ever does is pop up or ground out. His defense is shoddy. He needs that monstrosity of a leg brace just to walk around. He’s like an 18 million dollar Luis Castillo right now. Just shut him down for the season and let him continue healing or whatever. The Mets are out of it anyway.
by dantesinferno on Aug 11, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Partially agree
I agree with the CF point. I would put Beltran in RF, Pagan in CF, and FMart and Carter in LF. I just don’t think that Beltran is healthy enough right now to be in CF. I also think that is the most competitive lineup and give the Mets the best chance to win. The players need to put their egos aside and do what is best for the team.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not Beltran who insisted on playing CF
It was decided before he even came back not to approach him about a switch.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Shutting him down would actually make a whole lot of sense. But I also think he might just need to get more AB’s to get into his timing back. Reyes went through the same thing.
by Coolpapabell on Aug 11, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He needs his ABs
and the chance of beltran getting it right is still much greater then whoever takes his place.
I agree that right now Pagan is a better CF and prob should be playing there. However, Even a 80% fielding Voltron is better then most of the CF out there. Its not as bad as say, playing Frenchy every day in terms of detriment to the team.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
yes
how quickly we forget, even when we had another example earlier this very season, that apparently it’s not easy to take an entire year off and then jump right back into it without missing a beat at the highest level of competition on the entire planet.
dudes not allowed to be rusty? he MUST show some sign of improvement EVERY SINGLE DAY or else we can just assume his career is over? oh and this comes directly on the heels of a .325 AVG & a .910 OPS showing before the injury mind you. right.
by Rob Castellano on Aug 11, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree witht his per se.
I DID disagree with the obnoxiousness of the original post.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
It's either
him or Francoeur out there.
I’m pretty sure 99% of Mets fans would take Beltran, given that choice.
Although, this will probably end up the same way it did last year, with Beltran getting surgery in January. So at this point, I’d rather he sits.
it appears even the metsblog audience have come around
http://www.metsblog.com/2010/08/11/jeff-francoeur-has-99-hr/#comments
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
Question...
… With what sort of sounds do the studio wall and concert hall ring?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Aug 11, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
well
So what happened to “Voltron” being the savior?
My guess is nothing really happened to it, since its a ridiculous notion that one person can turn a season around. Unless of course that is Castillo, who stats prove is the sole reason the team loses games.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
Wagner just blew another save
Bobby Cox is on a suicide watch.
F-ROD is looking pretty good right now.
No Luck
Braves won anyway in spite of Wagner’s best (worst) effort. Darn.
by George_Sloan on Aug 11, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
F-rod is looking good
until you look at the contracts then he looks horrific again
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
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