How Much Did The Mets Gain By Benching Castillo And Francouer?
As fans, we hem and haw and yammer about every move the team makes. That is our wont.
Sometimes, though, it's worth looking at exactly how much the moves we want the team to make are worth. For example, the Mets finally released Alex Cora and benched Luis Castillo in favor of Ruben Tejada and put Jeff Francoeur in a platoon role. We huzzahed, collectively, and Eric did a good job of illuminating the reasons why. Can we figure out exactly how much the Mets gained with those moves, though?
This is about as mathy as I'll get, so bear with me. First, we'll take rest-of-season wOBAs to see how many batting runs above replacement the team gained on offense. We'll have to regress Frenchy's left-handed split some, and we're relying on projections and some dartboard-style faithcasting when it comes to the rookies, but if we are conservative, we might still be able to quantify the runs the team gained on offense. Defense is much harder, but we'll do our best there, too. The numbers may be underwhelming, but at least they should be positive.
First, we have to figure out how many offensive runs Luis Castillo and Alex Cora would have been worth at second base. Just for simplicity's sake, we'll assume that Cora would have taken one game of every five from a 'healthy' Castillo. Looking backwards won't help in this regard because Castillo has not been healthy. So, 80% of Castillo's offensive run production plus 20% of Cora's.
We'll use wOBA to predict batting runs above replacement. If anyone is interested in the math, here's the link I'm using. Castillo is projected by ZiPs RoS to have a .316 wOBA for the rest of the season, and Cora would supposedly sport a .265 number. (For reference, .323 is average this year, so that's a putrid number.) Together, that would be a... .306 wOBA going forward. Converting that combination to runs, assuming 4 plate appearances and 49 games for the rest of the season, that's -2.9 batting runs. Yup, despite being terrible, that's all they would have cost us the rest of the year - about a third of a win on offense.
Of course, that's not the whole story here. Defense is tough, so let's take a three-year composite for the veterans. FanGraphs has Cora worth -1.6 runs fielding over the past three years on average. His 3-yr UZR at second alone (0.8) is a little kinder, but he's made so few plays, we'd be better off using his career UZR/150 at 2B (3.7) despite some obvious regression as he's gotten older. Let's use his 3-yr UZR since it lies in the middle of the pack. Castillo has stayed in one place and made a lot of plays, so he's easier. His 3-yr UZR is a whopping -14.7. If defensive statistics were better off, I might feel worse about this next part, but they are a little better than a flashlight in a dark room right now. Let's just take 1/3 of 1/3 of each of their 3-yr UZRs and use that as our "fielding runs above replacement." So that would be 20% of 0.1 and 80% of -1.63, or another loss of -1.5 runs. Combined, that's -4.4 runs for the veterans.
The replacement, Ruben Tejada, is much harder to project. He has a .227 wOBA right now and a -1.5 UZR. If he continued to be that poor, he would cost the team a whopping 16.9 runs over the rest of the season. But Tejada's BABIP is .234 right now and even his major league equivalent OPS for his 219 Triple-A at-bats (.567) is higher than his current .497 number. Per FanGraph's Jack Moore, his wOBA would be .271 if he had a .300 BABP right now. So let's do our own ZiPs RoS and give him that .271 wOBA... that gives us -8.9 runs on offense, or -9.4 runs total for the rookie. Of course that's a floor, but we'll sum up in the end.
When it comes to the outfield, it's once again easier to quantify what might have been had Jeff Francouer been allowed to stay the course than what will be in the future. With Bay out, Frenchy's .313 ZiPs RoS wOBA would have been playing every day, and would have cost the team 1.7 runs over a replacement player. Though his fielding has been better this year, it looks like it would have been worth -.8 runs through the rest of the season, putting him as a -2.5 run player - that's 2.5 runs below replacement, or craptacular.
We've talked here about how good Francoeur is against lefties, and his career .348 wOBA against lefties is sooo dreamy (like his hyena smile!). But Tom Tango at The Book taught us that we have to regress that wOBA against 2200 plate appearances for right-handed hitters because small-sample splits from right-handed hitters are poor predictors of future performance. Once again, here's the math if you are interested, but once we regress his past performances to the mean, Frenchy's projected .313 wOBA would actually be a .341 wOBA if he played against only lefties going forward. So far this year, he's played in 106 games and accrued 95 ABs against righties. If he did something similar going forward, he would see about 44 plate appearances and add about .65 batting runs above replacement to the lineup. This is a nice little swing, from -2.5 runs to -.15 runs overall.
The rub is, of course, that Fernando Martinez might just give all those runs back and more. He does have a ZiPs RoS projection of .316, which isn't terrible, and actually better than Frenchy's RoS - sort of surprising. He also had a better platoon split against righties in the minor leagues (.819 vs .689 OPS), but without many major league plate appearances to go by, we'll just have to give him a little tick upwards in the final analysis if he's going to avoid lefties. A .316 wOBA would cost the Mets about .92 runs. He'll get those runs back on defense - he's been a -5 or so center fielder in the minors, but that projects to be a positive defender in right. Let's call the combination a scratch-to-positive combo.
Okay, so let's sum up. At second base, we went from a Luis Castillo / Alex Cora combo that would "provide" -4.4 runs above replacement to the rest of the year and replaced him with a rookie in Ruben Tejada that might be as bad as 9.4 runs below replacement. At right field, we went from losing 2.5 runs above replacement to basically scratch by platooning Jeff Francoeur with Fernando Martinez.
Although exchanging these roles may have cost the team a quarter win (10 runs above replacement = a win), there is one last aspect of the moves that cannot go unmentioned. The two players that will receive the bulk of the playing time going forward are young. They threw wrinkles into our projection process by being so young - and that's a beautiful thing.
The Mets are, essentially, paying a quarter-win down on a bet. In the short-term that bet is that Tejada and Martinez can outperform a gaggle of veterans that would give us predictable - but poor - performances. If the young men don't step to the fore, the team loses a quarter win on their already out-of-the-money pace. If they do, the golden goose of upside may just lay a postseason egg for the Mets.
But the best part is, even if the bet doesn't pay off, the Mets gather more information about two young players going into 2011. As we know from doing this exercise, more information is always helpful, and it's probably worth a quarter win.
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Counting the deck chairs
As the titanic sinks to the bottom of the ocean. Tejada, Castillo, Tomato, Tomoto…
Life boats?
A RF who OBP’d .321 in AAA and a 2B who OBP’d .329 in AAA are part of the problem, not the solution. What is the MLE on that? Can be above the Frenchy line.
Excellent - everybody knows that.
Watch out for this guy
He’s just trying to get us to extend Ollie.
by Pack Bringley on Aug 12, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think tomato and tomato are both spelled tomato
by Pack Bringley on Aug 12, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
but “you say tomato, I say tomato” just doesnt seem to make much sense, y’know.
Excellent - everybody knows that.
Ever noticed that in that song
The one person singing says “tomato, potahhto” and the other person says “tomahhto, potato”? How unlikely is that?
by Pack Bringley on Aug 12, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Well lets call the whole thing off!
Mets 2010 slogan; "a whole new level of stupid you were unprepared for."
by scott from peekskill on Aug 13, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Great piece
When the tangible win cost is marginal, I’d go for the players who might get better anytime.
Good stuff
But can you quantify that sick feeling in my stomach everytime I see Castillo?
blurgh! - me
It's the youth movement
Or ownership and management has thrown in the towel for 2010
i'm pretty sure
management threw in the towel for 2010
Not to mention
these moves should have been done a long time ago, IN ADDITION to a few others including getting rid of Ollie.
Very nice.
It would be an epic, sloppy task, but how cool would it be if someone sat down with 162 games worth of game notes and tried to do something similar with Jerry/Omar’s collective roster and lineup decisions over the course of the season? Using common sense approaches like Eno did here? It would involve a lot of time and fudging, but the pay-off would be that we’d be a lot closer to understanding management’s overall impact on the W-L column.
Also, have people ever done studies with fancy win expectancy formulas to try to gauge the importance of in-game decision making in particular games, or stretches of games, independent of results? Maybe I’m talking out of my ass.
But when you finished
the rock would just roll right down the other side of the hill.
Oh I'm not envisioning any arrested rock monument
but it would be interesting to have some frame of reference of what sort of possibe swings we might be talking about. I read a thing a while back in the Times that ran computer simulations with A-Rod batting 9th for the Yanks all year, based on the numbers of the previous year. It just took a small example of something a manager has power over and saw what might happen if he did something truly screwy. Damn, wish I could find it.
by Pack Bringley on Aug 12, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
there are so many black boxes in that kind of analysis that it’s probably better just to look at winzzz and realize that Omar and Jerry suck balls. We never come back in games — ever. At least not to win. 15 times? Embarrassing.
I agree
I dont need to smell the toilet bowl to know that shit stinks.
Excellent - everybody knows that.
But there are foods you can eat to help out that odor
and to that end a stool analysis can be rather enlightening!
by Pack Bringley on Aug 12, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
eat a mint before you do.
I would love to see a report like that. I am certain even the Wontpons might glean something from it.
Excellent proposal,
and if could stand the stench of dead, reeking flesh I’d be happy to perform that kind of autopsy on the 2010 Mets.
I would like to see someone take on that noble task, if only to add some meat to my sense that a truly bad manager such as Manuel—one who mishandles everything from major roster decisions all the way down to twelfth inning matchups—can cost a team in the neighborhood of ten wins.
I can see the problems following from such a study: did Manuel, for example, have the option of keeping Perez in extended spring training, or pitching him out of the pen in April or May rather than out of the rotation? I suppose it would make sense to have several categories, one of which would be team level decisions such as that, while others would be specific to the manager like, say, all lineup orderings.
Even if we couldn’t calculate the precise cost, it’s the kind of study that, publicized widely enough, could hinder his ability to find another managing job—doing the world a favor, so to speak.
I don't think that you can use Tejada's UZR at second to project his defense
It’s far too small of a sample size, but I guess it doesn’t make that much of a difference
this is a good point
using his total zone numbers from the minors, he’s probably a -5 SS, or scratch 2B. So take -.5 runs off of his negative total… and, yeah, it doesn’t matter much. Hopefully he’ll be Haven’s backup, or the new, cheaper Alex Cora.
I actually think he may be able to put up positive defensive value
he looks rangy and turns a good double play. He should be better then Alex Cora. You think Reese is going to be with the team in 2011 or 2012?
Great Fanpost.
No way I’d bring either F or T up at this point, but only because neither is ready. I’d much rather the Mets take a look at Satin or Turner ahead of next year. We already know that neither F nor T is close to being able to hit major league pitching, and what both really need is a full, productive season in AAA. Bringing up F in order to platoon him makes as much sense as having Mejia in middle relief. It’s a typical Mets move, finding the one arrangement that is most likely to hinder a young player’s development.
And why is Tejada back up? How much worse does he have to hit before the FO understands he is at least a full year away from being even a quality backup MI? He could add a hundred points to his OPS and he’d be as good as Cora was in 2009. In other words, WTF?!?

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