Mets 4, Rockies 0: Johan Santana's Punch-Out(s)!!
by James Kannengieser on Aug 12, 2010 2:41 PM EDT
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Possibly inspired by Fightin' Frankie Rodriguez, Johan Santana and the Mets dominated the Rockies in a tidy two hours and eighteen minutes this afternoon. Johan had his best start of the season -- complete game shutout, four hits (all singles), ten punch-outs and two walks. And it came against a potent Rockies lineup, including Carlos Gonzalez and Troy "Soda" Tulowitzki. I believe Frankie's perp walk took place just as Johan induced a game-ending 6-4-3 double play hit by Melvin Mora. Some other notes about Johan's performance today and in the second half:
- Of 115 total pitches, 79 were strikes (69%, compared to his season rate of 67%).
- He registered 14 swinging strikes (12.2%, compared to his season rate of 8.9%).
- He threw his changeup 40 times, which generated 11 of those swinging strikes.
- The Rockies' leadoff batter reached base in just one inning (the second, on a Tulo single).
- He never threw more than 17 pitches in an inning and needed just five to get through the ninth.
- In 67 innings since July 1, Johan has an excellent K:BB rate of 55:18. He has surrendered just two home runs in that span. Reports of Johan's demise may be premature. Continued dominance down the stretch would not only benefit the Mets' W-L column, but fans' confidence heading into 2011 and beyond.
Bottles of Santana's Select are now selling for the same price as Abreu's Finest:
One more start like this and maybe Johan's bottle will cost more than the one featuring a mildly popular (and ringzzz-less!) corner outfielder who hasn't played for New York in two years.
Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran led the offense. Jose went 2-4 with two stolen bases and induced a balk by Rockies starter Jason Hammel. Carlos hit for the Citi Field Cycle -- an infield single, an outfield single, a double and a sac fly (hat tip to MookieTheCat).
Today went about as well as anyone could have hoped. The Mets won a series -- go crazy, folks, go crazy. A three game set with the hated Philth starts tomorrow night at Citi Field. The starting pitchers are the esteemed R.A. Dickey and notorious pretty boy Cole Hamels.
Awesome Ralph Kiner quote of the game: "I think catching four knuckleballers and not committing suicide is reason enough to make the Hall of Fame" -- Ralph on Hall of Fame catcher Rick Ferrell
Poem by Howard Megdal
On day with Mets' closer in a different 'pen
Santana goes nine, bails Mets out again
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Purple Row Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: Johan Santana +42.7% (as pitcher), Jose Reyes +7.5%
Big losers: Mike Hessman -5.7%, Fernando Martinez -5.1%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Angel Pagan RBI single +8.5%
Teh sux0rest play: Fernando Martinez pop-out -4.1%
Total pitcher WPA: +42.7%
Total batter WPA: +7.3%
GWRBI!: Angel Pagan
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by HELLYEAHGARYOAK; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
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| 1 | HELLYEAHGARYOAK | 84 |
| 2 | aparkermarshall | 74 |
| 3 | NetsMets4Life | 65 |
| 4 | CTRefJay | 60 |
| 5 | Jsz | 58 |
| 6 | Syler | 52 |
| 7 | jdon | 43 |
| 8 | TeufelCat | 36 |
| 9 | KeithsMoustache | 36 |
| 10 | James Kannengieser | 33 |
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STILL BALLIN
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 12, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Too bad Ramon "King Hippo" Castro wasn't around.
Pelfrey, Niese, Dickey, Santana sure sounds like a great playoff rotation, don't it? ... Maybe a playoff team will trade for them.
Shrek
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Yay! We didn't suck!
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Gameday did something funny
I was watching for awhile and then I went to lunch. When I woke my laptop up an hour later Gameday played through everything I had missed at about 10 times normal speed. It was rather amusing to watch all of Santana’s K’s like that
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 12, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
It stalls itself if you minimize it...
Sometimes. If you use a Mac it’s more likely too…
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to know
It was rather amusing though
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 12, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I made a punch-out/K-Rod joke in the gamethread
So I’m taking partial credit for this title.
Ryan Miller was the true MVP.
I really hate Jerry.
they have a tshirt
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 12, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
27 Ks in Santana's last three starts
Hopefully a sign of things to come
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Now if we could find a way to keep him away from the golf course
and the Tiger way of life.
by Putnan Prince on Aug 12, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yay! 2 out of 3!
Bring on teh Phailurez
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
So, waitwaitwait.
Frankie… was in the holding cell during the game?
That’s really friggin’ surreal.
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Aug 12, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
Even worse, this was his cell-mate
by James Kannengieser on Aug 12, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeep.
So… he most likely caught a few hundred “warm-up pitches” this game, huh?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Aug 12, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I heard it was this guy.
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
Nope, this guy
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 12, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Naw. It was these guys:
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 12, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I've known guys on crack that had made more sense than these guys.
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
Same guy I just posted up.
Weak!
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
It has to be the jumpsuit, isn't it?
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
You need to get him from No Holds Barred...
That’s his best role.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
or the fact that he's covered in narly scars
and tosses the detonator like it’s no big deal.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Tommy "Tiny" Lister aka ZEUS FTW!!
He’s a Bad Mutha….
Eh
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 12, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks more like beetlejuice from howard stern
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 12, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He lives not far from where I am.
He’s in Browns Mills, I’m in Jacobstown. Both are relatively a stone’s throw from McGuire-Ft. Dix.
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
I only watched/listened to the first 30 seconds
And am now scarred for life.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 12, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That was scary.
Not music.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 12, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I like those genres
but I have to say, some of it people seem to like just because they feel they’re supposed to like it. You posted Exhibit A.
excuse me
but how do you assume that I like this song just because “I’m supposed to like it”?
by secret defense on Aug 12, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I would think this song is more appropriate, for both the band name and the song
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 12, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure you like it.
But that band is very in vogue right now to name-check, cover, etc., and it’s just not very listenable for a lot of people — even those who are pretty musically adventurous.
In any event, with popular music, it’s impossible to say what people would like out of the context in which they hear the music, and it’s all totally subjective anyway. There’s no real way to know “why” you like it, literally speaking, if you actually do like it.
of course it's not for everyone
To each his own. You are right that a person would react to a music in different contexts. I’m sure someone who familiar with the genre and the bands it influenced and is influenced by would be more receptive to it than someone who isn’t.
by secret defense on Aug 12, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
but I still think joy division is horribly overrated. ;)
Never been a fan
Academy Fight Song was cool.
Anyway, not trying to start another 9 million post music thread or anything like that. Doing a bad job of not trying, I guess.
I thought son in laws were known for having problems with their mother-in laws.
If K-Rod had punched her out,I think most married men would understand.
by Putnan Prince on Aug 12, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow Reyes had a stolen base
first time he had 2 in one game for awhile now huh?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
all we had to do was get rid of that Wright guy
Horrible clubhouse influence.
Paul Feinbaum on ESPN right now...
Discussing Isiah. Hilarious.
So that means
today was a Yo Han solo? (sorry)
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
i pronounce it zhohan
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 12, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That real grinds my gears
also when they pronounce Beltran as Bel-TRAN instead of Bel-TRON like he wants it to be.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Wright interview
I can not possibly keep count of how many times he’s said “You know”
It’s driving me crazy.
my father
used to say “no!” every time someone used “you know” in this context
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
My grandma used to get on my case for stuff like this...
I think in the long run it was a really good thing.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Both my parents were teachers
My father was math/science, my mother taught history/social studies. So I got it all from both sides.
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5458167
if the mets want it the time is now the braves got a HUGE blow the NL east braves and phils got the injury bug and with the mets abot to face the phils we need to get 2 outta 3 then its off to houston and pitt the time is now my friends.
lets go mets :)
true and agreed
hes still a dick. Naming your kid after our former home cause you killed there.
DICK MOVE LARRY DICK FUCKING MOVE
I hate Philadelphia so much.
As far as dick moves go, though...
… it’s one you have to take your hat off to, no?
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Aug 12, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Car-Go's Road slash line
.276/.293/.430, with a BB rate of 2.6% and a 30%+ K rate.
I see him signing with the Mets when he is 32. basically, his road wOBA matches Franklin Gutierrez’s overall wOBA this year. .312.
SUPERSTAR!
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
eh most players in quirky stadiums
exhibit massive splits, look at the mets splits the last two years. It’s more likely a hang over effect than an indictment of his talent.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Yeah, I've read articles on FG to that effect
Guys like Holliday revert to more normal home/away splits after that leave the Rockies. You do lose some homers overall still but just looking at the away stats and assuming that’s their true talent level has proven to be wrong.
Fangraphs
Several fangraphs articles have commeneted on his plate approach. This one quotes Dave Cameron when he had him just outside the top 50 trade values in the game, and goes on to have an excellent plate discipline analysis.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cargos-plate-discipline/
Last year’s top 50 trade values had Sizemore, Kemp, Jones, BJ Upton and Grnaderson on it. All have fallen off this year. Frankly, Dave has Montero on the top 50. I’d prefer Cargo to him.
Hamilton qualifies in center, and he is on Cameron’s top 50 trade values list for this year, as is Andrew McCutchen. I know other variables are at play there, but that seems to suggest dave would rather have them than Cargo. Not to appeal to authority. But his plate discipline is an issue, and I do think his production in Coors (where his k rate is much lower, 15%, which is promising), masks a real issue with his game.
I do understand that,
and I don’t think his road numbers are his true talent level. His road wOBA was .350 last year. But I do think his overall numbers are inflated by Coors somewhat. It’s really hard to look at a road walk rate of sub 3% and not have it give you pause. However, over his career, his home and away walk rates are identical, 5.6%. His hr/fb at home is double almost his road numbers, 19.5% to 10.5%. of course, that includes his age 22 season in Oakland.
Over his career, his road wOBA is .309, an 82 wRC+. I assume that he’s better than that, but I’d like to see a higher walk rate. Especially when coupled with a relatively high K rate.
He has the second worst overall bb/k rate in baseball this year among 161 qualifiers, at .20. Only Adam Jones is worse at .19.
And his road bb/k is an atrocious .09.
To put this in perspective, only Benji Molina in 2009 had a worse bb/k than Cargo this year (home and road). Even Cristian Guzman, Aaron Rowand and Jeff Francouer were better last year (they were 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom).
It isn’t a complete death knell. This year, after cargo comes ian Desmond, Austin jackson, Mike Napoli, Yuni Betancourt and Kevin Kouzmanoff. jackson has had a good year, a lot of it babip driven. Napoli is adecent power hitter. But he used to draw walks but maybe Mike Scoiscia has his head so screwed up he has stopped doing it.
Cargo’s road wOBA would be worse but for about a .370 road babip, but he tends to have high babips. But sustaining success at the level he has seen this year with that kind of plate discipline is difficult. He’s fast, hits the ball hard, hits line drives, so maybe he’s going to be somewhat sui generis.
OK, Better Comp, Hitting wise
May be Andres Galaragga, at least their bb/k ratios are similar. Big Cat had a .29 career ratio, and Rios is at .24. And he has time to improve.
Big Cat is also a hopeful sign, because, as Gina and FrancoTAU mention, home away production normalizes after leaving Coors and he had a big year for Atlanta after he left.
Also, he has played about a full year worth of cf in his career and over that 160+ games he is at something like 4.4 UZR. You need about 3 full seasons to give you the same confidence level as a year’s worth of batting stats, supposedly, but that dovetails with the overall view of his glove.
You are probably right, he’d be the one to pick, but just 5 months ago you could make a strong case for Matt Kemp. Things can change quickly, especially with that kind of plate discipline.
Hmm
Well, he’s actually 6th in WAR among centerfielders, although the other guys are all older. His UZR isn’t great this year. Hamilton qualifies, and he’s been amonster, but he is injury prone and this is a career year.
Actaully, he’s tied for 5th with Chris Young.
Angel Pagan has a higher WAR.
Guys below him include Colby Rasmus and Andrew McCutchen. McCutchen is slightly younger but not much, and he hasn’t shown he can play cf.
Before this year I’d have said Matt Kemp, but he’s had a bad year.
You may be right, but even acknowledging the home road splits would normalize away from Coors, I’d just need to see a better bb/k rate. he may not be that much better than, say, Alex Rios of a few years ago, who was damn good, but guys like that can be very spotty, and his bb/k rate is much better than cargos, although walks were never his strong suit. Cargo has more power, but it is hard to tell how much of that is Coors.
In fact, his walk rate is almost the same as Vinnie Castilla’s, just that Castilla’s K rate was 15%, not 25%.
Bronson Arroyo (34) – $11MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Erik Bedard (32) – $8MM mutual option
Kris Benson (35)
Jeremy Bonderman (28)
Dave Bush (31)
Jose Contreras (39)
Kevin Correia (30)
Doug Davis (35) – $6.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Jorge De La Rosa (30)
Justin Duchscherer (33)
Shawn Estes (38)
Josh Fogg (34)
Jeff Francis (29) – $7MM club option
Freddy Garcia (35)
Jon Garland (31) – $6.75MM mutual option with a $600K buyout
Chad Gaudin (28)
Rich Harden (29) – $11MM mutual option with $1MM buyout
Aaron Harang (33) – $12.75MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Livan Hernandez (36)
Jason Jennings (32)
Hiroki Kuroda (36)
Cliff Lee (32)
Ted Lilly (35)
Rodrigo Lopez (35)
Kevin Millwood (36)
Sergio Mitre (30)
Brian Moehler (39)
Jamie Moyer (48)
Vicente Padilla (33)
Carl Pavano (35)
Brad Penny (33)
Andy Pettitte (39)
Tim Redding (33)
Nate Robertson (33)
Ben Sheets (32)
Jeff Suppan (36) – $12.75MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Brett Tomko (38)
Koji Uehara (36)
Javier Vazquez (34)
Brandon Webb (32)
Todd Wellemeyer (32)
Kip Wells (34)
Jake Westbrook (33)
Dontrelle Willis (29)
Chris Young (32) – $8.5MM club option
those are all the pitcher who will or have a chance to be a free agent who would choose to help the mets rotation?
Have you seen the HBO or whoever special on him
Though quirky, he was an incredibly smart man who, all-in-all, has been pretty badly miscast by the MSM (not to get into politocs or ethics or anything).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Physician assisted suicide is legal in some European countries...
One again without getting into the political and ethical issues surrounding it, there is a very touching PBS special focused on a guy who flies to Switzerland to go through with it.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
HBO movie was solid
Al Pacino of the last 15 years or so has been dreadful but he was quite good as Kevorkian.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 12, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, Lee is the best option there
but Kuroda, Pavano, and Vasquez would all be good fits as well.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
yea he's had a pretty good season thus far
Obviously yo have to factor in injury risk but he’s managed to stay healthy all season so far.
knocks on wood
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 12, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i would love lee but if the yankees get in the coupon will roll over like a dog
by J3TSFANFORLYF3 on Aug 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
As they should
giving a soon to be 32 year old power pitcher a 100M contract is ridiculous.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
a soon to be 32 year old pitcher w/great control
who has less career innings than 29 year olds Dan Haren, Carlos Zambrano, and Jake Peavy and who has literally been getting better each of the past 3 years. Lee has all the makings of a pitcher who’s going to be worth whatever contract he gets, b/c he has shown literally 0 sign of decline thus far.
2009 Did Not Happen
Perhaps, but there's absolutely no way we outbid the Yankees for him
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
yea, that's fine
but it won’t be a ridiculous contract to give out. Lee is the best pitcher in baseball. I would absolutely kill for a pitcher who’s on pace to walk less batters in a season than Ollie Perez walks per 9 innings.
2009 Did Not Happen
Try
7 years, 150 million for Lee
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
halladay didn't get near that
im not sure why we should expect Lee too. Especially with the economy in the tank and few big market teams with the ability to bid for him. Dodgers are broke, Angels are kind of broke, Red Sox aren’t likely to be involved. Really I imagine after the Yankees, and they may not even be interested in adding at a high cost if they can retain Vazquez for much lower, it might be like the Nats and O’s chasing him.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Halladay wanted to pitch for them
and took less money
by secret defense on Aug 13, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
"a pitcher who’s on pace to walk less batters in a season than Ollie Perez walks per 9 innings."
what’s that, like 80 or so?
I agree on one hand
on the other hand the same arguments were made for Lowe.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Lowe was never close to the best pitcher in baseball though
and was 3 years older than Lee will be this year. If Lee regresses the same amount as Lowe has, he’ll probably be about as good as Lowe was with the Dodgers…
2009 Did Not Happen
Vazquez
I assume Garland’s option gets picked up.
I see no reason why Vazquez doesn’t go back to being Vazquez and he is an Omar favorite.
Lee will probably be too expensive.
by Jeffrey Paternostro on Aug 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bonderman.
good power pitcher. I think he’d be ok plus hes younger than most of the guys
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Bonderman's averaging barely over 90 mph on his fastball this year
Plus, he’s only been worth 1.5 WAR.
Pavano and Kuroda have been worth 2.8 and 2.7 WAR respectively
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
youth.
Look i get the numbers. I get it. But i’m really tired of seeing the mets get guys in their 30s who perform, almost all the time, below expectations. If you get Bonderman, you get a little more time with him if he turns out to be what hes worth.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
I understand youth, but the guy hasn't been good in 3 years
Plus, he’ll ask for way more than he’s actually worth
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
a new change of scenery may do him good.
I’m not expecting him to be an ace. If Bonderman is good enough to be a solid 2 or a upper 3 then in my eyes you try and get him.
A rotation of Johan, Dickey, Bonderman,Niese, Pelf is pretty great sounding in my eyes.
flip niese and bonderman if you want. Still i like that 5
I hate Philadelphia so much.
or he can just suck really young?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
by Gina on Aug 12, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take my chances.
Plus AL v NL line ups. Again im not asking him to be lights out. Just good.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
But you can pay someone else just as much to be even better
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Lee........
but that’s not gonna happen………
depending on asking price, I’d give Vazquez a look, and perhaps Garland.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
id have to go with kris benson there
"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur
by RangersandMets on Aug 12, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
but if we cant get him shawn estes should be a nice backup plan
"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur
by RangersandMets on Aug 12, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
She's dancing at Scores 4 nights a week with Aura and Mystique,the two
girls from the old Yankee Stadium.Anna will be back because Fred Wilpon wants to see her in the Santa’s helper outfit at the X-MAS party one more time.
by Putnan Prince on Aug 12, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome to the stage...Cinnamon...
I was quite upset that my default stripper name was used in Dinner for Schmucks. It’s no longer mine, and mine alone (I began using it when a friend of mine dated a stripper named Cinnamon).
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Might be interesting to check out De La Rosa
He’s been pretty good overall except for some shakyness returning from injury this year
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 12, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Vazquez
"we believe in comebacks"
Jerry being Jerry
by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 12, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick! Pick up Arroyo so he doesn't have to dominate us and we can watch him rot in the minorz!
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
We're gonna sign Moyer to a 5 year deal...
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Moyer at 50 isn't nearly as bad as Perez
is now heh
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 12, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He will be 53 at the end of that deal...
Sounds about right.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Correia, Garland, Kuroda, Vazquez, De La Rosa, Lilly
any of those guys would be a nice #4 with Johan, Pelf, Niese and Dickey.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
You have a lot of free time
AND LOOK I HAVE AN ASIAN AS MAI ICON
2010 Mets - FIRE JERRY ALREADY
by JetsMetsNets on Aug 12, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
bonderman and vazquez for me as well but what disturbs me is the 2nd basemens
Ronnie Belliard (36)
Willie Bloomquist (33)
Craig Counsell (40)
David Eckstein (36)
Mark Ellis (34) – $6MM club option with a $500K buyout
Orlando Hudson (33)
Omar Infante (29) – $2.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Akinori Iwamura (32)
Adam Kennedy (35) – $2MM club option
Felipe Lopez (31)
Julio Lugo (35)
Kaz Matsui (35)
Aaron Miles (34)
Nick Punto (33) – $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Juan Uribe (31)
Ramon Vazquez (34)
Craig Counsell still plays baseball? Holy Hell
LETS GET KAZ BACK GAIZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate Philadelphia so much.
Craig Counsell was actually much better than any second basemen we had last year
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Lopez or Hudson if they can be had for cheap
you always have Tejada if they flop.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
lmao thank you i work hard at it (pause)
by J3TSFANFORLYF3 on Aug 12, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
now lets assume thole doesnt get the job and omar wont resign rod and blanco
Catchers
Brad Ausmus (42) – mutual option for $1MM with a $150K buyout
Rod Barajas (35)
Josh Bard (33)
Henry Blanco (39)
John Buck (30)
Ramon Castro (35) – club option
Raul Chavez (38)
Toby Hall (35)
Ramon Hernandez (35)
Gerald Laird (31)
Jason LaRue (37)
Victor Martinez (32)
Chad Moeller (36)
Bengie Molina (36)
Jose Molina (36) – $1.2MM club option
Miguel Olivo (32) – $2.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
A.J. Pierzynski (34)
Mike Redmond (40)
Mike Rivera (34)
Yorvit Torrealba (32) – $3.5MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
for me its either martinez or aj
Me thinks this warrants a new thread...for FA
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
You'd better set up some parameters or a budget
since in actuality I’m figuring there’s going to be next to no money for player acquisitions.
I'm in the camp of resigning the Barajasaurus as a mentor
Thole can hit. Hes hitting pretty well and hes a young catcher. You keep Barajas there for mentoring the finer points of catching and use him on days Thole needs days off.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
I'd rather keep Hank White as a backup
unless he retire, then in that case, sure Barajas would be ok.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Do we really need mentors on the roster?
Didn’t we see enough of this this year? Sign him (or someone else) as a catching coach or something. No need to have dead weight for advice purposes when there are probably hundreds of retired catchers who could come in to teach the finer points of catching. Like Mackey Sasser.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sasser
could teach the finer points of catching. Throwing the ball back to the pitcher is another story.
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
Only time I've ever seen...
Where the catcher could have the ball in hand and someone could steal second. Remember he also double-clutched throws to 2nd after a while.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to disagree simply on the grounds of Barajas's horrific OBP.
You have to figure on a backup playing a full month if the starter gets hurt. We’ve seen how having several players who can’t get on base crippled this team. Why invite the same disaster all over again?
As a coach, I can see it. As a player, I really don’t.
not to mention his horrnedus defense
he’s literally got nothing going for him
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Don"t "mentors" imply
that we have promising novices on our team? I’m not seeing it, for the most part.
Instead of getting a new Catcher
let Thole catch, and sign Blanco for cheap as a back up
"we believe in comebacks"
Jerry being Jerry
by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 12, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This, if we are going to keep one of the two
I would much rather it be Blanco. Thole’s defense is what really needs work and Blanco is the better defensive catcher even if Rod is the better hitter
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 12, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
PSST!
Blanco: .311 wOBA over the last three years
Barajas: .296 wOBA in the same period
by LeiterMilnerFasterStronger on Aug 12, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The 3 year lookback for the Mets is suspect.
We tend to get a lot of guys just as they fall off the cliff.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't get behind Martinez
he’s gonna turn into a DH/1b sometime soon, and i’d rather it’s not with us
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 12, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Just an FYI
but subject lines and the response button are highly encouraged at AA.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
funny thing I learned when I visited there
but, at The Good Phight, they almost NEVER use subject lines. Unless, as I was told, they want to add extra emphasis to a point. It just looks weird.
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
The way I look at it (and I'm sure there are other who do as well)
if it’s there, might as well use it.
(plus you can minimize a comment by clicking on the subject line if so you want).
Save Jenrry Mejia!
This was a great win, especially after last night
however…….a dose of reality =
If the Braves play .500 the rest of the way, they will finish with 90 wins.
For the Mets to win 90, they have to go 33-13.
As far as the Wild Card, if the Giants play .500, they should finish at 88 or 89 wins.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Quote from ESPN....
“Give the Mets this, they certainly find interesting ways to disintegrate.”
cant really argue with them in general
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 12, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I just once want to see a report that says:
“Met’s fail to contend due to poorly constructed team.”
Save Jenrry Mejia!
is espn really saying we had a shot this year?
cause i’d like a word if so. The mets were dreadful last year. this year started out promising but we all knew it end.
And it has. the team cant win on the road and the bats have disappeared. ESPN i am a disappoint
I hate Philadelphia so much.
ESPN just assumes that because we spend a lot of money, we spend it well
and just choke at the end
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I think they just like to change the facts to fit the narrative.
They do it the Cubs and Mets every year even when most can see going into the season that they suck.
Bahahahahahaahahahaha....This is great...
This is the new book written by Frenchy’s agent, Molly Fletcher. http://www.mollyfletcher.com/books.asp
Here are her topic bullet points.
•Find a career you’ll be passionate about.
•Build strong, lasting relationships with people who can help you in your career.
•Sell the real you, not your resume.
•Master first impressions.
•Knock out the competition with stellar answers to interview questions.
•Land the job despite little work experience.
•Evaluate and maximize the initial job offer.
•And more!
Please discuss in light of Frenchy.
My favorite being...
Land the job despite little work experience.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's really amazing how those fit Frenchy
1. He’s passionate about baseball
2. He builds strong relationships with the media who help his career
3. His baseball playing resume is shite but he’s good at selling his personality
4. His Braves debut in 2005 was ridic, and his half a season with us was also quite good
5. Goes without saying that he gives a good — no — a GREAT quote
6. Lands the starting right field job despite having little experience as a useful player
7. Maximized his salary this offseason
8. And more!
by James Kannengieser on Aug 12, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
She also represents John Smoltz, btw. And lives in Atlanta.
Braves conspiracy. I can see it.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone else see K-Rod's perp walk?
Where did they find the tall-gawky/short-fat stereotypical cop combination to walk him in. It’s like Laurel and Hardy or something.
Finally the old Santana
best game of the season for him
I really hope the last month or so means Santana is back.
In his first five starts in July he put up an ERA of 0.71, then had the two disasters, now his best game of the season.
I just went back and re-read Puppy Avenue.
My stomach hurts from laughing so much. I suggest that perhaps Tak dog be switched to K-Rod dog.
Santana
Nice to see some Ks again. I only caught the last two innings of the game, and was on the road and missed his entire start against philly over the weekend. Has anyone noticed anything different about his approach, command, velocity etc. that would account for his recent success and increased strikeouts?
.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
by Kevin H on Aug 12, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
If we can't win one in Houston or Pittsburgh, we're aren't winning one this year
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I got me a new profile pic
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 12, 2010 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Are these two guys not the most sterotypical cop pair ever?
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't there a movie about this out right now?
Something tells me the Citi Field patrol doesn’t get the NYPD All Star team.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Distant relatives with Shaq?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 12, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Officer Krupke? From West Side Story?
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
Oh wow. Why do I read ESPN message boards? From them:
He should be suspended for the remainder of the season. (I think that may be pushing it?)
Anger Management-Rod (That’s a terrible nickname)
Suspend him for the year and send him to anger management. He is a disgrace to baseball. (Written by eagles760668. Fuckin shocker)
Give me a good reason as to why MLB doesn’t step in and give him some sort of a suspension? (Selig ain’t no Roger Goodell)
what a low life ( I thought of this:
)
Consequences will never be the same.
I kind of liked KO-Rod.
Thought that was funny.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
also i personally hope K-rod is suspended for life and we get out of the contract
so I’m not just blndly defending him. More that on the scale of bad things mlb players have done that have been overlooked by the media and selig this registers like a 3.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Rockies can't buy a win in Queens
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
They didn't buy that...
It was clearly a gift.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This just in: Broxton really sucks!
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
Elite closer my ass
Fucking chump couldn’t even get a single out
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Him? An elite closer?
What kind of idiot would actually believe that?
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
Anyone else think...
He’s Joba in a bad disguise?
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he's fat, so he could be a doppleganger except w/ facial hair.
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
Good work...
But if slugging your in-laws is not the definition of swagger (for better or worse), I don’t know what is.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 12, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
@James....One more thing...
Being Gamecast, Marlins and national announcers-bound, I’ve gotten ok with missing GK&R only be some soul-searching. That said, when you start putting up good Kiner quotes it makes me hurt. Hurt so much.
Yeah, he's got at least one gem per appearance.
On top of an awesome old school story.
The man made McCarver look good...
And that’s hard….
by MookieTheCat on Aug 13, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Ralph kiner is awesome.
That is all.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
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