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Phillies 3, Mets 1: Kendrick Orders Code Red Of Mets' Lineup

Boring games such as this one are even worse when the Mets lose. The lineup customarily failed, against one of the worst starting pitchers maintaining a job in MLB, Kyle Kendrick. No runs against Roy Halladay? Understandable. One run against a pitcher with the fourth worst FIP in the league? Unacceptable. A Misch-esque start from Mike Pelfrey went to waste (seven innings, three runs, one strikeout, no walks). Via fxcarden and ESPN, I present your 2010 Mets offense:

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The Mets are now 10 games behind the NL East leading Braves and eight games behind the Wild Card leading Phillies and Giants. They head to Houston this week for a four game set with the 'Stros. Monday's pitching match-up is Jon Niese vs. Wandy Rodriguez.

Poem by Howard Megdal

Scoring once and winning is awfully tricky
When the man on the mound is not R.A. Dickey

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Big winners: Luis Castillo +4.6%, Hisanori Takahashi +1.6%
Big losers: Ike Davis -13.4%, Angel Pagan -11.8%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Jose Reyes home run +12.4%
Teh sux0rest play: Placido Polanco RBI single -13.8%
Total pitcher WPA: -1.8%
Total batter WPA: -48.2%
GWRBI!: Shane Victorino

Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by MookieTheCat; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Num Name # of Posts
1 MookieTheCat 190
2 Gina 161
3 NetsMets4Life 160
4 aparkermarshall 135
5 deadspy3 134
6 Syler 123
7 metsguy234 120
8 Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan 95
9 James Kannengieser 94
10 Evan_S 84

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Good to see that ESPN didn't just stick with the RISP stats

and actually included overall OBP and SLG. Which tell all you need to know.

by garik16 on Aug 16, 2010 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

How I feel after tonight...

Consequences will never be the same.

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

So glad this manager is still around too.

Fernando Martinez was recalled last Saturday. Eight games have been played and he’s started four of them. Francoeur didn’t start, but he got into the game of course.

“Fernando sit down and see how it’s not done.”

www.twitter.com/willDavidian

by All Shook Down on Aug 16, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn you Cannon Geyser you didn't take my recap title idea

"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan

by metsguy234 on Aug 16, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

So, ugh

is there any impact bats we could get in the draft next year?

by secret defense on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Anthony Rendon

and Bryce Harper if he doesn’t sign

TIME TO TANK

"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan

by metsguy234 on Aug 16, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

This team will go on a 7 game winning streak just because you said that

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

The worst team would have the first pick,

But the Nats would get the second pick. If you don’t sign your pick, you draft one spot behind where you did the year before. I believe that’s the rule.

by Evan_S on Aug 16, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

looks like we agree

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats where my knowledge gets a bit fuzzy

but if i remember correctly if a player doesn’t sign and is picked in the first two rounds, the team that failed to sign gets a pick at that spot plus one the next year

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

TRAID CANNON GLASER....

His win % is worse than Beltran’s.

by MookieTheCat on Aug 16, 2010 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I heard he punched his father in law

and tripped Mark Himmelstein in an argument over world cup viewing, it’s why he’s been MIA.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

MIA?

The guy has been here all the time the past few months. Don’t even get me started on what he did on a golf course on his night off.

by MookieTheCat on Aug 16, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Himmelstein

is where the mets offense went. he’s where that matching sock went. he’s in the voooiiiiiddddd!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

is Mark Himmelstein an underpants gnome?

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except for one thing...

For the Mets, Phase 3 definitely does not equal profit.

by MookieTheCat on Aug 16, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nick Evans?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 16, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

We played some good baseball tonight.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 16, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Is it safe to say that we should call it a season and hope next year won't be as failtastic as this one is slowly becoming?

Ed Rooney: What's the score?
Pizza Joint Owner: Nothin' nothin'.
Ed Rooney: Who's winning?
Pizza Joint Owner: The Bears.

by R_Adragna on Aug 16, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

You mean you haven't call it a season already?

you must be some sort of super-optimist.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Aug 16, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, when you're hovering over and under .500 by some miraculous reason as our team is doing

you kinda have to hold out hope, albeit a very small amount. It’s like that old cliche in poker, “a chip and a chair means you have a chance” (not sure if it goes exactly like that, but still).

Ed Rooney: What's the score?
Pizza Joint Owner: Nothin' nothin'.
Ed Rooney: Who's winning?
Pizza Joint Owner: The Bears.

by R_Adragna on Aug 16, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately our chip is a lead paint chip

one of many Jerry eats on a daily basis, and the chair… electric.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

See response to Ogre.

Ed Rooney: What's the score?
Pizza Joint Owner: Nothin' nothin'.
Ed Rooney: Who's winning?
Pizza Joint Owner: The Bears.

by R_Adragna on Aug 16, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fell asleep sometime around the 4th or 5th.

Woke up for the bottom of the 8th. Watched that inning, turned it off to watch Louie on FX.
Sounds like a win to me.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Aug 16, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Good job.

Condense your Met pain as much as possible. I think I’ll TIVO the remaining games, and cut each PA down to balls disappearing into gloves. It will be like some weird, breakfast-concentrate, frozen-dinner, microwaved speed-sodomization by cell block C of San Quentin.

I’m pretty sure this season has caused me to lose (what was left of my) mind entirely.

by Jack Str on Aug 16, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I taped the HR Derby since I had a hockey game that night

and it was so much better on 1.5 speed. Got through the whole thing in like 45 mins.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Aug 16, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember how excited Gary got

when David passed last season’s rbi total with almost half a season still left?
Since then…..not so good

by packard37 on Aug 16, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

he's a jinx!

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I lobby announcerless broadcasts!

Minus the jinx, increase the fun!

Ed Rooney: What's the score?
Pizza Joint Owner: Nothin' nothin'.
Ed Rooney: Who's winning?
Pizza Joint Owner: The Bears.

by R_Adragna on Aug 16, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really wish they would do that for hockey

but it would work for anything. Just leave in the ambient noise.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Aug 16, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It works for baseball.

When I listen to a game on the radio and the announcers are annoying me, I just turn the sound off.

Problem solved.

by Jack Str on Aug 16, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It saddens me how good our starting pitching has been for the most part

and how little we have to show for it.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Our offense won't take off, but our pitching might get worse

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think most of the starting pitching is at least somewhat sustainable

Pelf seems to have righted the ship, Niese looks solid, Johan is back in second half form, and Dickey is a god, able to bend reality at his whim. While they may not maintain quite this level of production, they’d be fairly solid for ateam that could hit at least a little.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

(un?)fortunately

I don’t see the offense as constructing exactly going crazy any time soon.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Terrible pitchers...

Have been the worst thing for us. And am I correct in hearing that Ollie is scheduled to start one of those?

by MookieTheCat on Aug 16, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh dear god why

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which one Misch is still starting this week. And if true how typical sheilding him

from NY fans and pitching on the road. I really want him to start in citi so he can hear it from the fans how good he is.

by TheKid08 on Aug 16, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I"d actually buy tickets to an Ollie start

Right over the dugout, so I could inform him every inning just how much I appreciate his efforts to help the team.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could not agree more

I’d buy a Philly’s cap and a box of batteries…let the love rain down on him

by ScottfromPeekskill on Aug 16, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

i wonder what would happen if we faced Ollie.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's pitch a perfect game?

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

he'd*

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

we're not seeing anyone much worse than Kendrick tonight

I dont hold high hopes

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

plus

we are such a good road team against NL opposition

by jdon on Aug 16, 2010 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any bets

on whether Wright’s error total passes his HR total?

by RyanZ on Aug 16, 2010 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

i'll take the over on that one

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should Ike Davis be sent down to work things out

he’s really lost at the plate right now. Could we be doing more damage keeping him up here?

by TheKid08 on Aug 16, 2010 1:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Also can we just put Beltran in RF for the remainder of the season.

While were at it Frenchy has no plans in the mets future can we get Carter to start every day to see what he has if he had a regualr gig. Also send F! back down and get regular AB’s. This team is such a mess its not even funny.

by TheKid08 on Aug 16, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How about we trade him like we should.

Hes useless to our team going nowhere. Pay half his salary for next year and get him out of there. Get one good prospect for him or more if we can, who cares. He’s a bumb. Along with Reyes. Ship them both out. Get a top flight starter and start rebuilding piece by piece around Wright, Davis, Pagan, Pelf, Niese.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

No offense, but you're an idiot

If we want any chance at competing next year, Reyes and Beltran are key….because ya know, THEY’RE FUCKING AWESOME AT BASEBALL.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok sure

Keep believing that you delusional fans. Yea their really great. Great at being horrible and making errors, swinging at horrible pitches, having no plate discipline, and winning tons of games. Since their so good how come we keep losing because of their ineptitude. Their both two useless stars who I would rather not have on the team. But since their so “amazin” might as well keep looking like a horrible team with them. You saw the stats at the top right? Last in the Majors in EVERYTHING. REALLY FUCKIN AWESOME, if thats what you consider awesome. LAST IN THE MAJORS IN EVERYTHING. Epitome of ineptitude. But their awesome so lets keep on the same path.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

So much wrong with your post

First….plate discipline. Um buddy, if you haven’t noticed, everyone on the team has terrible plate discipline this year, and I would guess that a large part of that has to do with our hitting coach’s “philosophy”

Second, if you do get rid of them, you’d be selling them at their lowest value.

Third, you’re not going to get a good prospect for Beltran, and you have absolutely no viable replacement for Reyes.

Fourth, selling on them at their lowest value would be idiotic

Fifth, has it ever occurred to you that the team would be WORSE without them??? As in, way worse?

Sixth, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OUR FUCKING ROSTER??? We have a rookie 1B who can’t hit, an abominable RF, two absolutely awful 2nd baseman, and a big bat LF who hasn’t hit for power at all. Not to mention, two of your cornerstones, Wright and Pelfrey, were two of the main reasons for the team’s suckage the last month and a half.

But yeah, it’s ALL Reyes and Beltran’s fault. Stupid me.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes

Scores like 90% of the runs for this team. Why get rid of a speedy leadoff hitter who can hit for power? What problem does that solve exactly?

by RyanZ on Aug 16, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

The rotation has easily been our biggest strength this season

And you can find a good starter in FA

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

But not if...

Johan keeps slowly declining. And Dickey is not money and reliable next year as he was this yr. Also who is our #5 if Dickey is gone or horrible. When are we going to get a good FA pitcher? Lee isn’t going to the Mets when he can get more money and a better team with the Yanks. So what other top starter available are we getting? Huh?

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hiroki Kuroda (.2.7 WAR this season)

Not a sexy name, but a very good pitcher who won’t require a long term commitment, and who should cost less than $10 million per year.

There are others out there as well.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a wonderful idea

A 35 yr old pitcher who has never had a winning season. Yea great idea when we need a second ace if we would like the make the WS. Another typical Mets deal. Give an old guy more than he’s worth instead of spending it wisely.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, spending wisely would be giving $100 million plus to a 32 year old pitcher??

Oh, and wins are never a good way to evaluate pitchers.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

uh...yea. I would be

Is that even serious? I would much rather have a 32 yr old, cy young caliber, proven consistent winner, who is a gammer and a winner than a 36yr old unproven, and not as reliable starter. Lee is money and wins games.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes
because the Seattle Mariners are going all the way this year…

by RyanZ on Aug 16, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kuroda isn't as good as Lee, that's a given

However, he has been a very good pitcher for 3 years running, and he would cost a hell of a lot less than Lee, like at least $90 million less.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who in FA

are you going to find that is better than 2 of the best players the Mets have ever had Honestly, you have a problem with Reyes and Beltran Adding another ace would be like adding a Cliff Lee to the Seattle Mariners….look at their record.

by RyanZ on Aug 16, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with them

Except for the fact that they obviously get it done. Honestly they have won nothing together. If they are the greatest why don’t they win then? really Beltran, greatest ever, like really? If he is our greatest ever then we have bigger problems

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

So by that logic

the Twins should trade Mauer and Morneau? Because those two have never won a championship

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol your hilarious

Of course. Because the Mets have a player who could the possibly the best at their position ever, and an insanely good slugger entrenched at first. Exactly what im saying, lol.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes was a 5 win SS from 06-08

and even in a down year, will still accumulate almost 3 WAR, something incredibly difficult to find from a SS

Oh, and Beltran was awesome just last year, even though he wasn’t healthy most of the year. Yeah, he hasn’t produced yet, but the guy missed half a season with a serious knee injury.

Blaming the Mets shittiness solely on two of their better players is just dumb.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

well thats a simple answer

you need 9 players on a baseball diamond.

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

They don't win because Omar Minaya surrounds them with crap.

Not because they aren’t “winners”.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of the things I like about baseball is the 1 on 1 confrontation between pitcher and batter.

In football, a bad OL can make a good RB look bad. I mention this because I have a question: That isn’t David Wright we have been watching striking out time after time in Brave and Philly series? And he has been doing this kind of stuff for awhile now, not just this year. I agree that 1 or 2 guys are not responsible for the team losing but they play a big part because more is expected of them.

by jdon on Aug 16, 2010 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Partly

You do need to offer all your hitters some protection in the form of competent hitters that surround them. Otherwise pitchers will pitch around the 1 or 2 guys in your line up that can hurt them. This is the reason why the Cards needed Holliday so badly, to help protect Pujols. Really, there is very little reason to give Wright anything to hit right now since he is followed by Beltran and Davis.

by George_Sloan on Aug 16, 2010 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is true, but

it is no excuse for swinging at junk. Becoming an automatic out is not the answer. I like Wright, but I happen to agree with Joel Sherman (omigod, I agree with yankeeman!) that Wright and Reyes are not superstars, just very good complementary players.
And we are going to wind up paying both like superstars. If they are complementary players, that would imply a superstar somewhere in the lineup. Not here. Beltran? Done. So if we have to get one it won’t be soon, with our
payroll troubles. Why not turn one of them into two very good or one very good and one good, or whatever. Of course, we cannot let this GM to do that. We had a poll last night on the game blog. If we had to, Wright or Reyes? I said I would keep Wright. And I think we have to.

by jdon on Aug 16, 2010 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I guess it depends on your definition of a superstar. If a prototypical superstar is someone like Pujols, then the answer is probably no.

I agree on the lack of plate discipline for Wright, but I also think there are other reasons as well, such as intense pressure to deliver (if he doesn’t get a hit, who will) and frustration. I have no proof, but I just have the feeling he is trying to do to much right now, with no help from anybody else.

I am not opposed to trades, I just don’t think we will get much back in return. Beltran can’t be moved because of his contract. Reyes has an $11M option for next year and then becomes a free agaent, probably all he will return would be prospects. Wright is probably the most likely to return anything substantial, but even then, he is expensive (signed through 2013, but he tops out at $16M in 2013), so I think the market will probably be fairly limited, which will limit the return.

I agree we have payroll issues, and are likely facing another payroll cut, but I think the only way for us to be competitive in 2011 is to spend $$ for free agents over the winter. Other than that, I think 2011 will be a replay of 2010.

by George_Sloan on Aug 16, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think DW's problems are in the area

of psychology now. Sure he is too far from the plate, but why? I don’t care how he feels about a guy like Hojo, he is getting either bad or no guidance from him. David was a success before Hojo arrived. And as for 2011, FA s would be the quickest and best path to recovery, but we are saddled with a hugelayout for very few players next year and the Wilpons have shown no inclination that they will up the ante. I think we have to bring in someone who is creative about trades, who can think long-term. True, Reyes might only bring prospects, but Reyes and another good player or prospect might bring a big time player, if the team dealing wants to cut payroll. Creativity and long-term thinking have not been a hallmark of the mets. Just look at the way Omar has structured option years for Bay and KRod. Paying a closer 18 million a year is almost as heinous as signing Ollie to any kind of contract. Her’s hoping the Wilpons dig into their pockets some.

by jdon on Aug 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya man

Agreed, Omar has created quite a mess, it will take awhile to clean up, after Omar is gone of course.

by George_Sloan on Aug 16, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

By Career WAR as a Met, looking mostly at every day players:

Player Career WAR Best Season

Strawberry 37.7 6.7

Wright 30.4 7.8

Alfonzo 29.1 7.0

Beltran 26.8 8.0

Hernandez 26.5 6.5

HoJo 24.7 7.7

Piazza 24.6 5.5

Reyes 21.8 5.9

by RyanZ on Aug 16, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea. just a sad testament to what is considered "greatness" for this franchise.

That doesn’t say much to me. Let me see Straw won champ, along w Keith, Piazza came closer than them

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball is a TEAM sport

As in, more than two players

What part of that concept don’t you understand???

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh really.

I thought it was five like baseball.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

your stupidity is really mind boggling

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Aug 16, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Syler, you're wrong.

Don’t you remember when Darryl Strawberry won the WS all by himself? That was him hitting the ball between Buckner’s legs. He also did all of the pitching and played every position and even was the manager (Davey Johnson didn’t exist).

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

cocaine

is a helluva drug.

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and Piazza came damn close

lazy bastard didn’t do all the pitching though. I hear he hired someone else to be the first base coach too. That’s what separates winners from loserz.

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by metsguy234 on Aug 16, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think mr. carvel

is confusing baseball with another sport that lets you play 2 on 2, NBA JAM.

but that game always used weird rosters, the mets would make you choose wright and jacobs.

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea exactly. But you forgot Davis, Bay, Pagan, Johan, Thole and whoever we get from Reyes and Beltran.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again, who do you replace Beltran and Reyes with???

And again, you’d be selling both at their lowest value, so you honestly would not get all that much.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Idk look around. tejada is our ss. Trade Reyes to SF for Cain=filthy rotation (Johan, Cain, Pelf, Niese, someone maybe Kuroda even since you love him). Trade Beltran and if necessary another certain prospect of wtv caliber for a useful player, perhaps a SS or another power OF bat. Also Crawford is our there if necessary. Idk where he would play, wtv that would be figured out, move someone around.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

i like this plan. trade beltran for like, whatever….because whatever, it’ll all get figured out.

because if anything has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, its that the mets will figure it out all.

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

like who?

what team is going to give up a power hitting middle infielder for an aging center fielder with a huge contract?

dan uggla who’s atrocious in the field maybe?

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

You aren't giving any answers.

You are just creating holes. You would be an incredible GM

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please stop

while you’re “ahead”.

by RyanZ on Aug 16, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

.......

REYES WILL NOT GET YOU CAIN

BELTRAN WILL GET YOU NOTHING

SELLING PLAYERS AT THEIR LOWEST VALUE IS INCREDIBLY STUPID

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

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by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're missing the logic

reyes = bad
cain = awesome

bad= awesome

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's fucking logic.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know SF doesn't love Reyes more than Cain.

They have a surplus of pitching and need some offensive help.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cain is an awesome young pitcher

and Reyes had a terrible year by his standards.

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by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

his standards. so your saying hes much better than he is. And maybe SF knows that about him and highly believes in him and would love to get him. Idk, you say hes horrible. But a few years ago he was hyped as one of the best ss in the game.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Trade Reyes to SF for Cain"

Wow. Just like that, huh? It just all seems so simple.

But wait, I have a question. If Reyes is the “bumb” you, as a fan, make him out to be, then why would a business GM trade Cain for him?

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Aug 16, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brian Sabean

I mean he gave Zito abd Rowand those two ridiculous contracts. Seriously though Cain is a stud and that would never happen.

by tinski on Aug 16, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think Beltran is shot

but that you could get something very good for Reyes if he stays healthy the rest of the way. And having a productive player at SS is a real boon—unless you have Francoeur and Bay and a failing Ike at your major positions. I would not be opposed to trading Jose, but only if I knew I could get some offense somewhere else—and a pitcher to boot. It is only significant to get offense from a SS if you are already getting what you need elsewhere. They have to bring a GM in to change the culture here. The only way to do that is to uproot some of the players. I think at least one of the “core” players has to go. If Beltran were healthier, I would say him. He is older and at the end of a bad contract. But he isn’t and I don’t think he will ever be back to what he was.

by jdon on Aug 16, 2010 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

please explain?

why do you think beltran is shot? he’s coming off of a major knee reconstruction surgery that generally takes a full year to recover from. what basis do you have that he won’t return to form given a full winter off and spring training?

also how was beltran’s a bad contract?

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am a trained orthopedic surgeon and I see definite indications.....

Just kidding. No one knows for sure. I did not say I knew. i said I think he is. I would not re-sign him and I would trade him if he had value. Supposedly he has no cartilage in at least one of his knees. It took forever for the last bone bruise to heal, a very unusual recovery. And more bone bruises might be in his future, seeing as he is bone on bone. But that is just a deduction-not a fact. Still, GMs have to make deductions, and most of them not named Omar can. If I was a GM, I would not plan on Beltran being a star next year. Of course, I could be wrong.

by jdon on Aug 16, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you see us scoring more runs like this?

1-Castillo
2-Pagan
3-Wright
4-Bay
5-Davis
6-Thole
7-Tejada
8-Francouer
9-P

CLIFF LEE WILL NOT IMPROVE THE STATS YOU SEE AT THE TOP OF THIS PAGE!!!

by RyanZ on Aug 16, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

i totally love the unrealistic expectations at play here too

trading beltran and reyes for filler will bring us a championship.

how about we concentrate on finishing higher than fourth in the division and going from there?

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok wtv.

Idk i don’t have all answers together. im just saying i dont think this team can get it done and moves need to be made to try an improve this team in some way. We can’t keep doing the same thing. At least something creative needs to be done.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah moves need to be made

But not trading good players for nothing. They need to stop bringing in the Francoeurs/Churches/Coras/Barajas/Castillos of the world. Bad players like that are going to play badly and as a result the team will play badly (not a tough concept, I don’t think. You’re only as strong as the weakest link).

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that

this team cannot get anything for Francoeur and Castillo and Bay et al is directly attributable to Omar’s lack of vision and competence. The team needs an overhaul. I would think that necessarily requires trading some good chips-with a new captain steering the ship, of course. I doubt that it will happen, with Fred and his boy calling the shot.

by jdon on Aug 16, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

finally

something to agree on. yes absolutely moves need to be made.

starting with the albatross contracts that are castillo, ollie, and frenchy.

continuing with cheap, valuable complementary players.

ending before you even think about trading away two of your best players.

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

...speak english

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Aug 16, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, maybe.

Pagan, Crawford, Wright, Davis, Bay, Thole, some 2b, Tejada. With possible improvements at second, catcher or ss depending on moves.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yo crazy awesome idea, probably never happen.

Beltran, Flores, and maybe Mejia or Familia for Mauer and Slowey.

Then Mets=nasty.
Pagan, Crawford, Mauer, Davis, Wright, Bay, Thole, Tejada.
Johan, Cain, Pelf, Niese, Slowey.

Oh man, That dream makes me salivate at what could be possible with that team.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh forgot that thole was in the trade. my bad

and wtv 2b we have in his spot. no im not purporting using thole at 2b.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

For 2b we trade Fernando Martinez to the mariners for Ackley. Hes a good hitter with plus power potential.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your trade proposals

are so incredible unrealistic it’s like you just pulled names out of a hat.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Aug 16, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you want to make shit happen alright...

like adding to the shitty production of the lineup.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Aug 16, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Beltran, Flores, and maybe Mejia or Familia for Mauer and Slowey."

This is easily the funniest thing I’ve possibly read on this site.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Aug 16, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I will sleep good tonight

thanks for the laughs.

Please let us know if you come up with any more trade ideas via MLB 2K8

by RyanZ on Aug 16, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

how about...

Beltran and some prospect along w Thole to the BJ’s for Arencibia. Along w a few Benjamins

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then were smellin'

Pagan, Crawford, Wright, Davis, Bay, Arencibia, Ackley, Tejada.

Starting all over with a fresh new core of young players.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

that wouldn't happen thou

cause BJ jave Wells and that is just a silly idea

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

If anyone goes to the BJs...

It has to be Dic….Ah ferget it, too easy.

by MookieTheCat on Aug 16, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

because

the twins will really do that

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by firejerrynow on Aug 16, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just logged in to see whats going on.

Is this guy serious?

Consequences will never be the same.

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i sure hope so

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oy

here’s a pro tip for ya…don’t look at wins/losses for pitchers. They mean absolutely NOTHING. But if you are going to ignore that and judge pitchers on a team stat, then at least get it right and realize that he went 8-7 last year (aka a “winning season”).

But really, ignore wins and losses. Kuroda would be a very solid pickup at the backend of this rotation next year.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea im not looking at wins.

Thanks though. I’m looking at something like quality starts, much better track record, more effective pitchers. A dirt nasty command and k:bb. How he shut the Yankees down in the WS. Those kinda things.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

You seem to be ignoring things

like MONEY. Lee is going to cost at least 5 times what Kuroda will get.

Also, Lee is 32 years old. Hasn’t it been evidenced by this team alone that giving long term contracts to aging pitchers is not a smart way of doing business.

If you add Lee, you remove all flexibility for any other move.

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by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

i totally disagree

signing cliff lee at 32 with a proven track record of success to a mega contract is totally the right move, but ONLY after we dump carlos beltran and his proven track record of succes’ mega contract

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

But obviously you ARE looking at wins. And I quote:
A 35 yr old pitcher who has never had a winning season.

Thanks though.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea i was using it an an initial starting point show that e blows. just on of the many things to look at that tell me he sucks, if u want him to be an ace.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

because wins and losses tell you how good a pitcher is

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by firejerrynow on Aug 16, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

how about a real idea

Trade Reyes to the Giants for Cain. They need offense and we could use a great young pitcher like Cain. A terrific young arm who has tons of potential. Great workhorse with filthy stuff.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants aren't trading Cain for Reyes

and tell me, who do you put at SS if you trade Reyes?

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by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

The guy named Ruben Tejada

He was brought up as a SS and is a slick fielder. Probably will be better than Reyes at fielding, I believe. Not as good a hitter, but still incredibly young and has much more to develop.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tejada??

As in the 20 year old who has a .481 OPS???? That Tejada?

Saying he isn’t as good of a hitter as Reyes is like saying Nickleback isn’t as talented as The Beatles. Massive, massive understatement.

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by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and that 481OPS?

In the last half of his season he’s under 400. Tejada needs a minimum of a full season in AAA. He has no business anywhere near a major league roster.

by Jack Str on Aug 16, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

So who's playing 2B next year?

And can you really take that much of a hit offensively at SS? I don’t think there’s any way they can afford to do that. You’ve seen how anemic this team is without Reyes (look at last season and look at how they went into the tank when he got hurt). And Tejada has been awful with the bat thus far.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Along w everyone else who was hurt and blew nuts.

And the rest of our horrible AAA players and Perez in the rotation. Tejada is young and still improving.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

extremely young

as in, shouldn’t be playing in the major leagues for another 3 years young.

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tejada is an absolute abomination offensively

And he doesn’t project to improve all that much.

He’s all glove, no hit.

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by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

so was rey ordonez

but we won a championship with him didn’t we? oh wait.

by cntrlalt on Aug 16, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

he des not hit enough

to play short or second in the majors

by jdon on Aug 16, 2010 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ruben Tejada is like a younger version of Anderson Hernandez or Wilson Valdez

He’ll probably stick around the majors for about 4 or 5 years based on his glove alone and he’ll never be a full-time starter. I know that he’s really young, but the guys really hasn’t shown MLB hitting ability at any level.

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by spaceboy761 on Aug 16, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re-up Manuel and Minaya and Whimpons while your at it

Since they like winning so much too. Just like you guys. They love Beltran and Reyes as well. Probably going to resign each for a huge deal and then have no money to spend on real players.

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you're going to say absurd things

can you at least be funny about it so we can get some new memes?

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some suggestion:

Ask people to rec your posts since you spend so much time thinking up your great trade proposals.
Or, threaten to start rooting for that other team if Omar doesn’t sing Lee and Crawford this off-season.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Aug 16, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

or go to Pinstripe Alley and ask for permission to become a Yankees fan

that would be original

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by metsguy234 on Aug 16, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

This whole thing has been a stellar example

of what Mookie, I think, was talking about yesterday with the gremlins and the war. People will twist themselves into absolute pretzels to avoid acknowledging a fact they don’t want to acknowledge.

by SuperT on Aug 16, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

idk, gina

“Whimpons” is pretty gold

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Aug 16, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if that is sarcasm or not

But i think its a pretty good name. And it fits them well. Or Wimpons

by TomCarvel on Aug 16, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

we rushed him up a bit o begin with

not surprised he’s getting overmatched now that they have a book on him. If we had a good hitting coach I’d say keep him around to work it out, but with Hojo, please send him away before we destroy him.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Since June 4th Davis has put up an OPS of .714.

That’s not bad for a second baseman. For a first baseman it’s… well, it’s time to start looking at who else on your roster can handle the position.

by Jack Str on Aug 16, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, you might as well call up Duda

Put them in a time share at 1st, and then let them battle it out in Spring Training next year

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by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Duda definitely should get a long look.

I don’t think there’s any way the Mets should go into next season with Davis locked in as the starter. I’d go as far as to give the job to Duda for the next month and see if he can handle it.

by Jack Str on Aug 16, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

which means the mets won’t even add Duda to the 40 man roster and we’ll lose him in the Rule V, or we’ll add him and then send him through waivers and lose him in order to keep the 2010 version of Nieve.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Green, anyone?

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Aug 16, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

except the Mets are dumb.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Aug 16, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the game tonight. The highlight of the night

was the pulled pork sandwich that I got from Blue Smoke around ten minutes before gametime.

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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 2:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I enjoy the Tacos myself.

And of course the standard Hot Italian Sausage.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Aug 16, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly no. He wasn't there last year.

Although I’ve probably seen more half-naked Mets than most Mets fans here.

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Aug 16, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

figures

Kyle Kendrick is Cy Terrible and the Mets an’t hit him. meh…..

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