Francisco Rodriguez Has Torn Ligament In Thumb, Will Require Surgery
by James Kannengieser on Aug 16, 2010 6:15 PM EDT
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PrintAs reported by Andy Martino of the Daily News and many others. He is out for the season. Apparently the injury stems from last week's clubhouse incident. It's all surreal at this point.
More details to follow.
Update: Craig Calcaterra of HardballTalk doesn't believe the Mets will be able to void the remainder of Frankie's contract. Craig is a lawyer (ex-lawyer?) and generally knows his stuff, so listen to him.
Update #2: Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated reports that the Mets are indeed looking into voiding KO-Rod's contract. Methinks another Omar-led investigation is afoot.
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we're not that smart
1. we’re probably not that smart to have included some type of clause about off-field injuries for stupidness
2. even it’s still possible we’re probably not smart enough to realize we can get out of it.
3. we’re probably not even smart enough to realize it’s an awful contract and we should get out of it, they’re probably hoping for it to vest.
4. if all of the above aren’t true then it just means we’ll void it and then trade Duda, F-mart, and Tejada to the Red Sox for Papelbon and resign him
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
We also
are frightened of offending the players’ union (i.e., agents – no real distinction.) God forbid we can’t attract “big name” free agents to sign ludicrous, overvalued, back-loaded albatross contracts . . . like, um, “K-Rod.”
That didn't stop them from looking into Beltran's contract
after he got the knee surgery…
Save Jenrry Mejia!
or calling him out to the media
before even consulting the gm or the player
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
to paraphrase Forrest Gump
“We are not a smart organization.” “Stupid is as Stupid does…” hah!
Sheesh, another Jason Isringhausen, nice. good job Mets.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 16, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
As it may prevent his option from vesting
we should encourage his participation in topless bar softball games.
That would be incredible..
But unfortunately, Mejia would be immediately moved into the closers role.
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 16, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Please
Please, please, please, please, please, please
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The injury happened during the commission of the crime of asault.
You can bet the Mets will try to void his contract.I hope they go for the full Monty and try to void Beltran’s contract too for having that unauthorized surgery which seems to have threatened his career.That Dr. must be real proud of that surgical masterpiece,which was supposed to be a minor arthoscopic procedure.and him back full strength in early May.
by Putnan Prince on Aug 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
for the 10,000 time
the surgery wasn’t unauthorized, the mets filed workers comp papers prior to the surgery and PR debacle. Which means they had to have been aware and agreed to it.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
They did not originally agree to that type of procedure and they requested more info.
They did believe some surgery was necessary but not necessarily that specific type.They sent his agent a certified letter stating that he had violated his contract which is up to the lawyers to figure out.That’s Cliff Lee money we’re talking about.
by Putnan Prince on Aug 16, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No this is not true
they submitted workers compensation papers. there is literally no way it’s possible they did not know the surgery was happening if they submitted the comp papers. The original disagreement you’re talking about was back in like June 2009 when he first injured it and agreed to rehab instead like they requested. there’s literally no possible way the mets hadn’t okay’d the surgery before it occurred, because there’s no way they could have submitted the workers compensation papers without agreeing to it.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Answer me this?
Why would the Mets have filed workers comp papers for a baseball injury? Workers comp seems to me to be a completely different regime than what we are dealing with here. Maybe insurance papers are what you are referring to?
by MookieTheCat on Aug 16, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I know nothng about workers compensation papers
but according to google
Workers’ compensation claims could foul up any company, and Major League Baseball is no exception. After recognizing that injured players were one of the biggest exposures for its baseball teams, MLB decided to create a league-wide insurance initiative to more effectively manage its workers’ compensation premiums and losses, according to Anthony Avitabile, MLB’s director of industry risk management and financial reporting.
After Sept. 11, 2001, Avitabile said baseball was like other industries that faced a hardening of the insurance market. For 2002 renewals, the organization confronted significantly higher premiums, with aggregate premiums at about $54 million, up from about $18 million. So, MLB decided to create a league-wide insurance program — rather than have each club handle its own insurance — to protect member clubs from the unexpected, better manage premium dollars and make clubs more profitable.
Read more: http://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/east/2006/08/21/features/72323.htm#ixzz0wod9iSFA
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Ok...But it's not worker's comp...
Similar, but not the same thing. Worker’s comp = statutory program to keep workplace injuries out of the courts by creating standard benefits programs. You can’t privately institute a worker’s comp regime. This is more like injury insurance.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 16, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yea he did pitch then got hurt, so whatver at least it cuts into his
vesting appearances.
so he got hurt during the altercation then hid it and pitched a gm
and said he injured it while at work? That’s like me breakin my leg hobbling to work and saying I fell at work so I get workers comp and get paid by work to be out of work. Instead of using sick time and not getting paid. This would be insurance fraud so how is Frankie getting away with it?
Bones and ligaments are weird.
Maybe played through some pain, and then saw the doc who told him that without surgery it would just get worse. I shattered a bone in my toe once and walked around on it for months before finally seeing a doctor who told me that without pins it would never heal. So I had surgery.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 17, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Karma is a bee-otch
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
My comments which were deleted when the fanshot about this was deleted:
1) We’re basically the Bull Durham of MLB now. First we call up Mike “Crash Davis” Hessman. Then our “million dollar arm, five cent head” pitcher punches a dude with his pitching hand, ignoring the advice of Mr. Davis, and tears a ligament.
2) This won’t impact his vest. He needs 100 GF in 2010-2011 and 55 in 2011, per contract; he has 46 this year, and the injury shouldn’t keep him out in 2011.
3) By sending down Iggy and Valdez to keep him here for one day (w/a torn thumb ligament), the Mets now can’t recall either until next week. Moronocity.
They can do a recall due to a DL trip without worrinying about the time limit
They can call up whomever they want
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS IS SICK!
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Met medical staff originally diagnosed a concussion
so, like, no problemo, right?
by tmu on Aug 16, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
the NY times says that the medical staff can be excused this time
because Bay told them he didn’t hit his head. That’s funny bc i know shit about medicine and I watched him hit his head on Tele-vision.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
As a future physician I wish I had a video tape of all my patient's injuries
would make diagnosis much easier
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Aug 16, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
and possibly more hilarious at times
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
mets head medical staff is Helan Kellar
by TheKid08 on Aug 16, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
only if it somehow voids the contract/avoids the vest
which it probably won’t do either.
by Mike Clemente on Aug 16, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
it won’t affect his awful contract, it just means we’ll be paying him while someone worse than him (ahhh iggy) gets run on regularly.
there’s never good news for the mets these days.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
this
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Now his option is more likely to vest
He can now rest his arm for an extra couple of months, making it less likely that an arm injury will knock him out next year.
To avoid arm injury
he would need to stay away from friends and family, too.
and of course
he’s the only reliever Jerry hasn’t abused this year. it’s like the entire world is set against us.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
sucks for the team and fans worse then him
he’s still getting paid
by Mike Clemente on Aug 16, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
sweet zombie jesus, this is too funny
Can they void his contract for damaging “team property” for hurting himself in stupid fashion?
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
do the mets really have a medical staff?
seriously didnt this guy pitch in yesterdays(or saturdays?) game?
Maybe they were hoping the tear would worsen?
Hey—credit where it’s due.
Good riddance.
Ed Rooney: What's the score?
Pizza Joint Owner: Nothin' nothin'.
Ed Rooney: Who's winning?
Pizza Joint Owner: The Bears.
Just another day in paradise
For many of us long suffering Met fans…
by MetsFan4Decades on Aug 16, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
Dumb Ass
send the bum back to what ever country he came from………….the mets don’t need his bullshit anymore
I'm proud to say I cheer for the most ridiculous team in all of baseball
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
Question....how is games finished defined?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
last pitcher to appear for a team
or it might be last pitcher to record an out
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
He only has 25 saves, and he's blown 5....
So even though he never pitches in tie games on the road, he somehow appeared in 16 other games this season???? Fuck me.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
remember all the games we were up or down 5
and he appeared in mop up duty because Jerry thought he needed work?
yep.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
On the other hand, K-Rod isn't really Jerry's problem
it’s a terrible contract, but he is still a very good reliever.
i think the idea that
k-rod isn’t jerry’s problem is a sign of one of the major issues in this organization. There’s no cohesion. A crappy option should be everyones problem, just like the handling of prospects, the gm and manager should be in agreement about how players are used/handled.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
but the lack of cohesion is a separate issue. A competent managing staff should have autonomy over game decisions, and manage for the good of the team, and a competent GM should deal with his side of it. Note that I don’t think that K-rod has been handled right, just that the problem with the handling of K-Rod on Jerrys side should not be handicapped by a contract. On the other hand, no contract should be so bad that it affects the way a player is used.
he's the last Met to pitch in that game
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Our new favorite sentence on AA
“Cant anyone get 3 outs?!??!?!!”
what a great season
Every time I think Frankie can't get any dumber he does something like this
And TOTALLY redeems himself!
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions
Why wouldn't that surprise me?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
To go along with the whole "home-grown" movement
I say we use this opportunity to trade for Arizona’s closer!
New Marketing Slogan
The 2010 Mets, somehow more ridiculous than the 2009 Mets.
by Jeffrey Paternostro on Aug 16, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Who knew that was possible
"we believe in comebacks"
Jerry being Jerry
by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 16, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My initial slogan was
2010 Mets: Let It Bleed
The hope was that at least the team’s untimely death would starve its parasites, Omar and Jerry.
My slogan's in my sig
“Hey we may suck, but what did you expect?”
It fits so perfectly…
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I believe in
season ending injuries from punching out you girlfriend’s father.
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
Why is many upset with this? WE WON'T HAVE TO SEE THAT PIECE OF CRAP FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR!!
And I’m not trying to outdo Matt Cerrone either.
I’d rather we start throwing our pitchers out there for 8+ innings from here on in…..
That piece of crap is the best reliever on the team
and Jerry will make Feliciano the closer now (put money on it)
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
because we're still going to pay him
and watch fucking igarashi and acostalypse blow saves.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I'd go with Parnell
what difference does it make anyhow?
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
At least we'll protect our first round pick
We’ll have something to look forward to next season
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
bah! The season is over anyway....I just don't want to see that piece of garbage in front of my TV screen anymore this season.
Next season is Next Season. I’ll worry about that then.
I'd rather we just fold up the tent
open the Shake Shack on game nights and rent the place out for bingo and croquet tournaments.
Funny
and yet sad
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Actually, he picked a great day
I’d much rather watch Jets/Giants than cover a story on that schmuck and a likely terrible Mets/Astros game
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
doesn't matter. If I stay up I might be tempted to watch the mets.
There is nothing worse than the second half of the first pre-season game.
Well...
Hemorrhoids might give you a run for your money.
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 16, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He used up his yearly allotment of ellipses
by tmu on Aug 16, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He used up his yearly allotment of ellipses...
there, I fixed it.
This could be grounds for a voided contract........no ?
I mean, the injury was due to a fight. Freakin’ Aaron Boone has his contract voided by the Yankees when he broke his ankle playing basketball
Hey !. Don't talk to my mami like that.
and please don't tell me injury because of a brawl is not in the contract
under “improper behavior” or something.
Hey !. Don't talk to my mami like that.
Very interesting.... Bud Selig should investigate this.
But he won’t ‘cause he’d rather keep Pete Rose out of the hall and let this crap go down without any REAL reprecussions.
I think if it is in the contract, it can be voided
that’s what happened to Boone. There was a clause about not playing other sports or something.
Hey !. Don't talk to my mami like that.
There should be an implied
“don’t break your hand going apeshit on a 52 year-old” clause in just about every contract.
I'm pretty sure we'd have to have some sort of clause
and like tmu said enough the mets would have to have the balls to take on the players association…and considering they weren’t willing to do it to keep him on the restricted list longer that’s not that likely.
also they would have to actually realize the contract is awful and needs to be voided…whch is also not likely.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
COuld it be possible that he only gets 54 games finished next year?
So it wouldn’t vest?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Well, it's official:
We can start talking about next year. Hmmm. Any ideas on who “won’t” be on the Mets? BLOW THE WHOLE DAMNED THING UP. Start with:
Minaya…
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 16, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
Well put Gina.
I’ve been busy. Too busy to give a damn. Thankfully, I didn’t waste my time.
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 16, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
I’ve actually been bitchin’ since ’07.
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 16, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If the players stink
(and they do) the GM goes. And if the GM goes the manager goes, even if he is not Jerry.
Unless we’re getting a closer as good or better than k-rod, i’ll be glad to have him on the team next year. Looking at his stats, he’s not as awful as some of you make him out to be. Just another case of people in ny thinking that every closer is like mariano except ours.
by Rats on Aug 16, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
for the money he makes he's awful
kind of like how for league minimum perez would…no he’d still be awful bad example.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
You don't get it
KRod is a good closer….he just happens to be one that is extremely overpaid, and one that has a monstrous $18 million vesting option at the end of it.
Getting rid of his contract would free up a ton of money for the Mets.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
To do what? Re-sign Francouer?
Our long, National League nightmare won’t be over until Minaya is gone.
and would result in us blowing a SHITLOAD of games in the 9th
But hey, Heilman and Ayala can probably replace Wagner just fine
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
um we suck anyway
and are going to suck. So who cares if we blow games in the 9th?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
This year, yeah.
Let’s void K-Rod’s contract though! Bye bye 2011! Bye bye 2012! Who cares? 2013 or 2014 was going to be our year anyway.
I hate to be all KB-esque, but I’d rather win next year than 4 years from now. That’s my stance.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
is BB-rod really the player that makes or breaks our 2011 or 2012
how much do you think we can get for the 10+ million he’s worth next year, or the 18 mil he’s worth the year after? That can buy a LOT of talent.
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you can have a successful team in this era without a good closer.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
I think you overestimate what it takes to be a good closer
I’ll admit Soria and Rivera are in a league of their own, but the difference between an average and a good closer outside of those guys really doesn’t amount to that much.
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah what makes you think we won't suck in 2011?
or 2012? there’s literally no reason to look up at this point.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Wright. Reyes. Bay. Beltran. Davis. Santana. Pagan. Thole. Niese.
We have an insanely great core. With some good complements we could be a juggernaut. But, fuck it, let’s call it quits now and waste peak years for so many guys!
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
So you think an overpaid closer is the key to all of our success??????
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
I think a strong closer is necessary to success 99 times out of 100.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
i think you're confusing a strong closer
with a brand name. K-rod is a brand name.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
i mean he's a good closer too
but not enough better than 10 other closers paid 1/3rd of what he makes to justify keeping him around.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
And Bobby Parnell is a strong closer?
This is the guy we have now. This is the guy we’ll have for the next 3 years if K-Rod goes bye bye.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
we won't be contending with K-rod
so what does it matter?
And we can just sign Frank Francisco and/or Jason Frasor and call it a day. And get the same production for 1.3rd of the cost.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Yeah.... about that
I don’t see those guys as being on the same level. Also, the Rangers are under new ownership now. If they go all the way, are they gonna give up Francisco?
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
not offer him a contract I mean
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
you don't see those guys as being on the same level
because you’re reading way too much into K-rods name and not enough into his actual production.
And yeah they are because they’re still broke and have 400 cheaper younger pitching options.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
You act like we can't sign someone else in the offseason to replace him
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
there's no one really elite out as a FA
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
K-rod is only elite in name
like you said yourself the only elites are Soria and Rivera
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
K-Rod gets the big K in the 9th
when you need it most, hence the name
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
i'm pretty sure you need outs in every inning
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
...
so do those guys.
and you’re kind of just proving my point about your overvaluing of name talent
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I'd bet a lot of money K-Rod generally puts up better K numbers than the other two
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
so now only K's matter?
i’d bet the same money he gives up way more walks and hits than the other two. But I guess it’s okay because after he gives up 2-3 runs he’ll get a K.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
3:1 career K:BB ratio
also 176 career ERA+
but he totally is teh suxorzzz!!! traid!
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
yeah broxton
3.3 k/bb ratio
gregerson 6.27 k/bb ratio.
once again how hard is it to look up these numbers before you make terrible arguments? Both Gregerson and Broxton even have better straight k /9 career numbers. So no he doesn’t even have better K numbers, so what exactly is your argument again?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
don't use season instead of career, that's bullshit
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gregelu01.shtml
Gregerson is at 4:1 K:BB or so, but that’s in TWO SEASONS.
K-Rod has MORE THAN TWO SEASONS OF EXPERIENCE
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
so what you're saying is K-rod is older
and costs more, so he’s better?
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No I'm saying
K-Rod is more proven.
We have no way to know Gregerson hasn’t been a fluke.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
how many years do you need before its not a fluke?
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
um I didnt
I used season, hence why I said they have better CAREER numbers.
I would think someone so educated could read.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Gregerson ISN'T at 6.27 k/bb career
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
and you were wrong about their career K/BB ratio
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
um no
I used this years k//bb ratio. Because you didn’t say anything about whether the k/bb ratio you used where career. Hence why I specifically said career K numbers in the sentence AFTER usng k/bb and before bringing up their actual career k numbers.
Not to mention THE CAREER NUMBERS STILL PROVE YOU WRONG.
dude you’re completely off base, just admit it and stop reaching.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
look man
nobody is saying having a good closer isn’t a good thing, we’re saying if you have holes in second base, right field, possibly first base, middle relief, and the starting rotation, the closer is the last place you should be burning a huge chunk of what you’re willing to spend. If you can’t get to the 9th with a lead, a closer is useless. If you take half of BB-rods contract, use that money to help fill these holes, then pick up a decent closer (the non-elite ones are a dime a dozen and perfectly adequate) you get more wins overall.
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
gregerson
3.86 K/BB career
whats your point?
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
an out = an out
I don’t care if you get 3 flyballs, 3 groundballs, 3 K’s , if you get out the guys you face regularly everything else is just semantics
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
K's can't move the runners up
except in very unusual circumstances
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
details, details
he doesn’t have a K in his name, so his don’t count.
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
holy shit that guy must be awesome
sign him up!
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A strong closer is necesary to success....
Only when success is an option. When it isn’t, who cares?
by MookieTheCat on Aug 16, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah this is the biggest thing
if we were a 90+ win team then it would be different. But we’d be better off splitting the money K-rods owed to fill multiple holes. Otherwise we’re just putting expensive rims on a shitty car.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Success is an option.
Again, good complementary moves and we could pretty easily make the playoffs. I’m tired of the pessimism. Always darkest before dawn.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
yeah we could easily make them
if we took the money K-rod was owed and split it into filling multiple holes. One of the smart moves that needs to be made is not paying 13.5 million for a closer.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
and then, bam, no closer
and then we can no longer easily make the playoffs.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
we can't; with K-rod either
but we have a better chance with Franciso/Frasor and others holes filled than with K-rod and other holes unfilled.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
or we can just
keep K-Rod and add complementary pieces?
I don’t see why this isn’t an option. Again, we’re the New York Mets. Not the Florida Marlins.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
Yes
emphasis on “NEW YORK”
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
new york =/= unlimited payroll
or the MEts and Yankees would be the only teams left in baseball. There are limits.
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
dickey'll fill those holes
wait, what are we talking about
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Heres why I don't really care much about closers
Mariano Rivera FIP 2.41
Tyler Clippard FIP 3.22
This is a comparison of one of the worst and elite closers
you take an average guy who gets overrated
Jonathon Broxton FIP 2.37
or a guy who’s not even a closer
Luke Gregerson FIP 2.48
Is it really worth paying huge money for a big name closer when plenty of guys can do the job. So much of waht makes a closer look good is the number of save opportunities they get. Teams with good offenses often have “elite” closers with lots of saves because they’re in the lead a lot.
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not about the saves
it’s about having a guy who can come in in the 9th and blow guys away.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
Luke Gregerson is not going to shut the other side down in the 9th
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
How do you know that?
Good pitchers can get people out at all times.
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
lmao and why not?
because he doesn’t have a stupid nick name? So basically like I said before, you’re way over valuing K-rods name and completely ignoring his actual production. Sorry Gregerson has been a much better pitcher this year and it’s really not close.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
What separates KRod from Gregerson??
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Gregerson is under a team friendly contract
and doesn’t punch old folks?
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gregerson is just short of unhittablemost of the time.
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
but by the numbers K-rod isn't any better at getting guys out than any of these other pitchers
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont compare those guys to Mo Rivera
he came in a game this yr and loaded the bases with a 1 run lead and got out of it with a save. If that situation happens 10 times he gets out of it 8 out of 10. This guy is one of the greatest of our time please respect the true sandman.
You can find a cheap replacement for KRod pretty easily
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
OK
Last year, no reliever was worth even 3.0 WAR. The best season by a reliever in the last five years was (you guessed it) JJ Putz, in 2006, with 3.6 WAR. To justify being worth his contract, Rodriguez would have to be worth nearly 5 WAR. He has never done this. Even if you assume that the Mets should overpay for a closer, K-Rod’s best season was 4.0 fWAR in 2004, and in no other year did he even get close to 3 WAR. So in order for him to be even vaguely worth his contract, he’d have to recreate a career best season from 7 years prior to the 2011 season, a season in which he was 22 years old and averaged nearly 3 MPH more on his fastball than this year.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
this is the
“grass is greener on the other side” syndrome
He's a good closer, but using him next year will make him our 17.5 million dollar closer in 2012
No closer is worth that
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We all think he's good
just over payed
"we believe in comebacks"
Jerry being Jerry
by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 16, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a good closer
And Parnell would give you 80% of his value at the 3% of the cost.
by Jeffrey Paternostro on Aug 16, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Parnell cant even throw
two consecutive outings 3 and out. screw him!
BB-rod does?
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
elaboration
“what the hell kind of answer is that to a legitimate question”
your turn
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Not consecutive outings like you're looking for
It’s only happened once in his 53 outings this year
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Even I know this is lie
I dont know if you checked the box scores or not.
But this isnt true
I just went through his game log on yahoo
counted 5 times. Not that it’s really in any way relevant, compared to the wealth of other information available for analysis.
by yellomellojello on Aug 16, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I"m fine with BB-rod around next year
as long as he finishes < 54 games or whatever it takes to vest.
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
we could just use him as an 8th inning setup man
by secret defense on Aug 16, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i would be infinitely amused by this
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
amusement level
falling
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
But he is future Mets Mariano Rivera, anyways.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
knowing the mets they' then pitch him in 54 complete games
all of which he’d lose terribly.
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh man. imagine that
he’d have to throw like 300 pitches per game to throw a CG!
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by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This is so true
Rec’d.
K-Rod is amongst the elites. He’s just not Rivera or Soria.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
no he's not
he’s barely been in the top top of closers, let alone of relievers in general, for his career. You have to look at his numbers relative to other closers not just by themselves.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Krod's vest
His bandaged thumb will look wonderful with that beautiful J-Crew vest. Anyone want to fanshot it?
by Criss Angel Couldn't Make Frenchy Vanish on Aug 16, 2010 6:12 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder If Omar is still happy he signed F-ROD?
Who is the bigger a**wipe is the question, Omar or F-Rod? Really a tough call there, but I think I need to go with Omar.
Signing F-Rod at the time he did was a good move although he got grossly overpaid
He was the best closer on the market and the team needed a closer
Saying it was a bad move because of something that happened 2 years after it was signed takes an incredible amount of hindsight.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
meh I'd say it wasn't a good move for that exact logic
rather than filling holes reasonably they say we need a lf so lets way overpay Bay, or we need a closer so lets way overpay K-rod because he had 65 saves.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
and the fact he got grossly overpaid kind of makes it not a good move
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I agree
overpaying for a declining “closer” was a boneheaded move for this team.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Did we know he was declining at the time?
I recall thinking it was a “gulp, that’s a lot of money but I guess that’s what these things cost” move.
his velocity had fallen off a cliff
and I believe he had the worst whip of his career.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Add to that Omar locked him up moments before it became apparent
that the market for players had collapse, and it was pure Mets.
My point was that George was saying it was a bad move because of this incident
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
well you could argue signing a guy known for being a hot head
isn’t a great move
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I don't remember reading anything bad about his personality off the field before he signed here
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
We all wanted KRod when he was available
I don’t recall anybody bitching about the contract when it was signed. Quite to the contrary, most people thought it was a good if not great signing.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
I felt the feeling was more neutral to slightly positive
Very good reliever, but at great cost.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 16, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Context man, most people thought it was good
until the rest of the market shaped out and everyone realized the economy had completely cause the free agent market to collapse and we were the only team who had overpayed. Going into the off-season people were expecting guys like Dunn to get 16 million per, Hudson to get 12-13 million per, K-rod to get upwards of 75 million, Burrel to get 16 million per, so signing K-rod to a 51 million contract looked like a victory…then Hudson signed for 1/8, Dunn got left on the market for like 6 months, Burrel didn’t even get offered arb and we realized we were pretty much the only team in the league that hadn’t figured out the market had collapsed.
Not to mention at the time we assumed the Wilpons would be, as they had in the past, willing to spend up to the luxury tax, which would mean K-rods 13.5 million would only be a fraction of the 150-160 million, not a fraction of 130 million.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think there might be an issue with the entire
blog because everyone’s text is now bold
by aparkermarshall on Aug 16, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
true
but when I type this in the text box it still comes out as bold
by aparkermarshall on Aug 16, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
looks OK here
I’m using firefox, whats everyone else using?
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm on Firefox too
& only the top of the page up until jdon’s coment is under normal font. After that, everything is bold.
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
Same here.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Safari (on Windows, yes it exists)
and everything looks bold
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
All bold here too
I figured it was the stupid droid browser. Or just hot tempers.
Image credit to astromets
by hotspur on Aug 16, 2010 8:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
bold
Everything I am reading is bold but when I post it is regular. I am using firefox. It is 9:47 PST. Maybe it has just been resolved by now?
yeah it did this with italics in a gamethread
a few days ago. And I think the bold thing has happened before too.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
This says it. I'll add, though,
that at the time it really was the vest that got people so pissed. After the pen being so crappy that year, a lot of Mets fans were shellshocked, and given you’re right that JRod was looking to get 5/75, and Hudson 4/40, 3/37 seemed perfectly okay.
Next thing, the market tanked, so the contract looked worse, but not horrible, but then details of the vest leaked and people were furious. Add the obvious overpay for Putz and it just seemed like a hopelessly stupid way to spend the offseason.
KRod+Putz made me think, 'here we go again.'
The team had a ton of holes, but Minaya couldn’t see that, so he wildly overpaid to fix the least valuable part of the team, except that he didn’t.
AARON HEILMAN
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"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
I’ve come to the conclusion that what the Mets need is a baseball savvy team President whose sole functions are to (1) select a GM, (2) insulate the GM from the ’Pons, and (3) control the purse strings.
They also need some flying pigs for the bullpen.
we couldnt even get a steady 8th inning guy. so we may need to overpay for a closer and look to save money elsewhere. anyway next year will be a lost season. theres no way they will get rid of castillo and perez , paying them still while spending money on their replacements.
No
we never need to “overpay” for ANYTHING. that’s exactly the kind of thinking that brought us the carnival you see before you.
exactly
the only time you might overpay is if you’re overpaying for a player who has a legitimate argument at best at their position, and non reliever though i would say K-rod doesn’t even have that strong of an argument at top 5 at his position, overpaying Sabathia and Tex=you can deal, overpaying perez and castillo=WTF WHY.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I have no problem with overpaying anyone on a short term deal if it fits into the budget and they improve the team.
Overpaying in dollars is fine…overpaying in years is crippling
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to think about total K value more than anything else
Assume that the last year or two of the contract will give you ass.
Omar usually doesnt wait for a market to develop
to overpay. that’s what kills me.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Add to that the part that when the market came to him during the winter,
he sat there with his thumb up his ass mumbling, ‘must have Molina.’
lol for a total of 19 million
over 2 years, we could have added johnson (or lopez) and piniero. not to mention adam laroche.
lolololol.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
WHICH IS WHY WE SHOULD HAVE OVERPAID FOR GODDAMN MATT HOLLIDAY INSTEAD OF SIGNING A GUY THE RED SOX DIDN'T WANT
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
WTF is this supposed to mean?
Naturally, a Holliday K will look decent in year one. Wait until year 8, or what have you. The problem was paying Bay, not choosing not to overpay for Holliday.
eh I'd disagree
overpaying Holliday probably makes us a contender, or at least until the rest of the team fell apart a month ago. overpaying Bay makes us a nice looking almost wild card team.
it’s like I’d rather overpay for Holliday and Lee early because those are two players who could make us WS bound, than overpay for Bay and (insert random decent pitcher) who will cost way less money but just make us a pretty 85 win team.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Totally disagreed, see what Gina wrote.
That said, I’d be ok with everything if we had not signed either and then signed Crawford this coming season.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Agreed
Holliday is having a great season and everyone is using it to say “see we shoulda signed Holliday”. Seven years, $120 million is his deal with the Cardinals. Topping that would’ve been absurd.
Disclaimer: This is not a defense of signing Jason Bay. This song is not a rebel song, this song is Sunday Bloody Sunday.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 16, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
But I think the point is more
5/80 for Bay vs 7/120 for Holliday, if you ignore the fact the entire team fell apart and is a huge pile of suckage, we’d have been much better off the first 3 years of the contract at least with Holliday, likely enough so to at least push us into the play-offs, if not further. Kind of like Perez vs Lowe. Yeah Lowe’s contract is bad, but when it’s between 3/36 for zero production and 4/56 or w/e for league average production I think I’ll live with the 4/56.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Picking nits but we'd have to top the Cards deal
8/137 or 7/133 or whatever.
I re-read some of the Holliday/Bay threads from the winter recently, and it just seemed like these sentiments weren’t broached back then. Not saying you or squid specifically, but just the general sentiment.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 16, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
But thats assuming we'd have to top it
The cards had to make it so long to keep the AAV down. We don’t know that 5/100 wouldn’t have gotten it done. Or even 5/110
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I seem to remember
That the Cards gave him an option of taking more money per year and less years, or less money AAV but more years, and Boras, I mean Holiday took more years. I also remember that there was a snag when the Cards where offering 5 years, and Boras kept insisting that they wanted more years.
5/100 seems like it would not have happened. Additionally, I also think that Boras wanted the Mets involved just to drive up the price. Now the is not to say that we could not have signed Holliday, but we would have had to over pay. So I agree 100% with James.
I also agree with Gina. Bay turns us into a Wild Cardish team. I had no problem with this. You build for more than just one year. My thought was that you bring in a bat for LF this year, and pick up a pitcher next year, ie Cliff Lee.
There are no power options for LF this off season. Crawford is awesome, but it was and still is clear that there is no given that he doesn’t resign with the Rays or wears pinstripes next year. If you ignore Bay to enter the Crawford stakes you could come up snake eyes.
Bay + Lee= Contender
by Coolpapabell on Aug 17, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
the problem with Bay
is at his age with his skill set his production was only going to last 1-2 years. So we were building for the short term by signing the contract. Where as Holliday would likely be a well above average player for 3-4 years. Bay turns is into a wild card team for maybe 2010-2011 and then just becomes another bad contract.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
It depends on the year that he falls off
I felt that Bay would give you three years of productivity. I would be willing to risk the last two with three years of productivity.
I agree though, two years of productivity makes it useless.
I think it should also be pointed out that many pointed to Bay’s defense as the deal’s main defeciency. Rather, they felt that the drop in his value woudl be brought on by his defense.
by Coolpapabell on Aug 17, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of people seemed okay with the Bay signing
(not saying Gina and squid were), and really jumped out and down when the revised UZR came out “proving” Bay was a solid 5 WAR player.
I was surprised, since there are holes in his record, and since the Mets had so many other problems. I frankly hated the signing, but thought that we might get a good two years out of him. We still might.
Either this,
or overpay for that one player that will put you over. Marginal wins when you’re looking like a true talent 88 win club are absolutely worth overpaying for if you have to. But I agree, there may well have been some mismanagement going on if you’re in a position where you do have to overpay.
i'd rather overpay for someone with more impact
than a 1 inning a game guy they don’t even use properly.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Try using the subject line
Not just using the text box
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame Minaya.
You have to shout to be heard.
It all started with the Duaner cab accident.
I didn’t know they served dominican food at strip joints in florida.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
... or cuban food
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
They should be able to dock him
for the remainder of this season. No?
Logic would suggest they should considering it's a non-baseball injury
but they’ll probably pay him anyway because they’re stupid
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
even if they did its just money that will stay in their pocket not go towards another player so who cares.
BREAKING: Heyman says Mets are looking into voiding his contract
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
he can't help it
it’s his job…heh
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 16, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Please let this be true
"we believe in comebacks"
Jerry being Jerry
by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 16, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say him injuring himself in a fight with his inlaw would mark good grounds to do so
The Yankees voided Aaron Boone’s contract a few years ago when he hurt himself playing basketball
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
yeah but someone mentioned above
injuries playing other sports was specifically outlined in his contract.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
steel cage match relative beating
isn’t a sport?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah... well, I still think Mets have a good shot at voiding the deal
even if fistfights with angry inlaws isn’t outlined in his contract
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
do you have legal grounds for that statement?
or is this just hopeful. I know there are a lot of lawyers here – don’t remember if you were one of them.
but i don't want to live in a world where there is no way to get out of this contract
when a player assaults a civilian in their own stadium, practically in their own family room!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
god i hope he's actually right for once
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by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He has had incidents with Bruney, Bernazard, Neiman and who knows
if there are others we don’t know about. Isn’t there something in all contracts about behavior?
I mean, if there are an inordinate number of incidents, can’t they use that as well?
wait he had an incident with Bernazard?
it’s a crime that’s not on youtube
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by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His option won't vest
This is the Mets medical staff people. He’ll be out for until the middle of next season.
by Reg Dunlop on Aug 16, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ha
that soothes me.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Jerry's our manager
he’ll get K-rod 55 game finished in half a season. He’ll need someone for all the mop up duty.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
except for one small thing
isn’t he looking at jail time?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll delay the surgery until the week before pitchers and catchers report
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
K-Rod: "Your honor, I'm just a law abiding citizen..."
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Resign Cora to be new closer
At least hes a good clubhouse guy and a vet right. lol.
This is just another reason pointing toward the ineptitude and sad state of the Mets. Nothing will change until this franchise is turned upside down and all the weaklings are shaken from the tree.
the tree is the problem
methinks
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont forget
We have awesome Cordero in the minors. Oh yea baby, postseason here we come
and shut-em-down closer Bobby Parnell
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
wtf has anyone else ever had an entire entry box just disappear
without pressing anything? Cause that definitely just happened to me.
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Metsblog revenge
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oliver Perez's talent
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Put on your Sherlock Holmes hat Omar
It’s time for another investigation! Void the contract!
by James Kannengieser on Aug 16, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
y'know I was thinkin we gotta look into this
but he lobby to throw me up against a wall and beat me like an old man.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
i honestly would suddenly get joy out of this season and even remember it fondly
if they can get out from under OK-Rod’s deal.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I was debating MSPainting a pic of Omar and Jerry into a Homes and Watson pose
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
trying to recapture a long lost postseason glory by trading for and signing overpriced and overrated players?
kind of like Scottie from Vertigo trying to recapture a lost love by dressing up another woman?
by secret defense on Aug 16, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
But, but but
I thought F-Rod (Fail Rod, by the way ) was one of the “elite” closers in baseball!
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
I was being sarcastic by the way
I hated the F-Rod signing…now he will drop like a rock even more. oh well.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 16, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Really...you hated it
Tell me, if you were the Mets, what would you have done in regards to the closer role following the 08 season?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
i said this then too
here and on metsblog. i would have gone after hoffman.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I would not have signed him
to such an awful contract, if I went after him at all.
I honestly can’t remember the list of the “elite” closers available when he was a free agent, so I can’t tell you. But, I figured it didn’t matter anyway…they were going to sign F-Rod to a ridiculous contract regardless!
F-Rod’s 60+ saves was an illusion, much like Bobby Thigpen’s.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 16, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Kerry Wood and Brian Fuentes were out there
Along with Hoffman.
The one and only mistermet on teh Interwebz!
by Steve Schreiber on Aug 16, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually did no tknow about the option year
duh. I thought good, they got someone, but I would never have been in on 18 mil for a closer.
That really did change the reaction to the deal, from
‘Well, that could work’, to ‘well, that pooch just took a serious boning’.
Then when you added in the package for Putz, it was time for multiple facepalm action.
ugh the package for Putz made me want to cry
it wouldn’t have been as bad if we had either traded for Putz or signed K-rod, but doing both for a team with so many other question marks and holes was mind blowing
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Mets: "Hello MLBPA, it's the Mets calling"
MLBPA: “What do you want Mets”
Mets: “We just wanted to ask you…”
MLBPA: “The answer is no”
Mets: “But please MLBPA, we really think…”
MLBPA: “Which part of no don’t you understand”
Mets: “If you’d just let us…”
MLBPA: “Hang up right now or you’ll never sign another player again for less than twice what he’s worth”
Mets: “Thank you. We have to go now but really thank you so much”
That's a threat?
What does the MLBPA get from the deal?
by MookieTheCat on Aug 16, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Heyman looks like a turtle
He’s on MLB Network right now
We are so pathetic at this point that I think we should change our team name. How bout this:
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bingo.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
HEH nice rendering.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 16, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5468863&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
they may actually try to void the contract…woohoo
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/08/mets-considering-attempt-to-void-krods-contract.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
here’s another article
by Mike Clemente on Aug 16, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
post the link in the comment
like this.
Just for future reference.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate to mention it but the Mets signed the contract.
I was them I’d decline to pay him for the rest of the year, but if he’s healthy next season then he should get paid as agreed.
Good thing
At the very least, no vesting option from hell.
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
so how do voided contracts work?
Can we offer arb in the offseason, and get some draft picks if he declines?
there's no real reason for him to turn down arb
if we offered it to him. Since he’d likely get the same as what we owe him next year anyway.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
can a contract vest from prison??
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
a mets contract can
there ain’t no contract like a mets contract, cause a mets contract don’t stop.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
omar will resign him for 3/36
during visiting hours.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
For anyone who wants to get in the mood for tonight's game
The swell folks at SI have produced a pre-game picture show for you.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
They can kill themselves.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This
"we believe in comebacks"
Jerry being Jerry
by Jadden Hopkins on Aug 16, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
this really isn't even as bad
as it could be. they totally missed the trading 7 players for an 8th inning guy and then telling him to hide an injury. Or the mishandling of Church’s concussion and the throwing him under a bus. Or Winceour.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
there's about 17 slides we could add
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
don't forget
also: mishandling Mike Cameron’s concussion…uh…
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 16, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
or the fact we were pegged for the world series before the 70-92
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
This makes me happy
the more negative PR the mets get, the more necessary it becomes to clean house…
eh
like someone else pointed out, we’ve received more than enough for 6 teams in the last year and nothing’s changed.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
fair enough
but at least this way, the mess is entertaining – if we can’t laugh at ourselves, then we really don’t recognize good tragicomedy.
I Guess The Mets Will....
…. try to summon the spirit of the 1980 Oakland A’s and have all their starters complete as many games as possible.
The only other thing I can say is “wow….”.
"We praise or blame as one or the other affords more opportunity for exhibiting our power of judgment." Friedrich Nietzsche, "Human,All Too Human" (1878)
IINM (which I often am)
most of the contractual stuff about “blowing out your knee skiing with Jill Saint John,” and “punching out your in-laws” comes from a basic template negotiated as part of a general agreement between the players association and ownership.
Minaya investigation conference:
“Well you see, Frankie has lobby, for very long time, to tear ligament, especially in thumb. He lobby this for very, very long time. He lobby for Jerry to tear it for him. You understand I mean? He lobby constantly.”
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fu*cking idiot
I lobby for void. No way that it would happen, but why should we be responsible for this guy?
We should at least get out of paying his salary until he is 100% healthy.
It would be like me punching out my boss and getting paid vacation because I hurt my hand on his head and can’t use my hand.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
why should we be responsible for this guy?
because we are the NY Mess!
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Did anyone else read the Hardball Talk article?
It says:
7.(b) The Club may terminate this contract upon written notice to the
Player (but only after requesting and obtaining waivers of this contract
from all other Major League Clubs) if the Player shall at any time:
(2) fail, in the opinion of the Club’s management, to exhibit sufficient
skill or competitive ability to qualify or continue as a member
of the Club’s team
Void Ollie’s contract anyone?
Is this
for Ollie’s contract or Frankie’s contract?
by aparkermarshall on Aug 16, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a clause in every player's contract
It’s called the Uniform Player’s Contract and it’s in the CBA
the marlins wouldn't let us waive him
cause they’re out to get us
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I wouldnt be surprised
they seem to have a special place in their hearts for the Mets
by aparkermarshall on Aug 16, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
They probably shouldn't
I mean, that’s how the competitive balance in baseball gets maintained – the big money teams make big money mistakes.
except that isn't going to happen EVER
because Omar Minaya can’t admit he made a huge mistake
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 16, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
but his sucessor could!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a shame
if his contract is voided, goodbye 2011/2012.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
nope
woo Bobby Parnell as our closer for the next 3 years! He’s really gonna shut them down in the late innings
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
Side note
Why is everything bold now?
Test
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
maybe someone left a tag open
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Image credit to astromets
by hotspur on Aug 16, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously if you want this contract voided, you're dumb
1) We’re not going to get Rivera or Soria. Everyone else is basically same level.
2) Bobby Parnell as closer for 2 years! Woo!! He's amazing!
3) A NY team should never need to “rebuild”. Ever. Fucking open up the wallets.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
i want this contract voided
and I’m not too dumb. #3 makes no sense and the other 2 aren’t worth typing time.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'd want it voided
because no closer outside if Rivera is worth $18 mil. And to your 3rd point, they don’t have to rebuild anything. All they need is smart management.
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
We're not Florida
we can kind of, afford to shell out big bucks to players.
If I were a Marlins fan and we had a 12.5 million per year closer, I’d be concerned.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
even the Mets have limits
and when you waste 18 mil on a closer that limit gets reached a lot quicker.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you do know that
shelling out money hasn’t been the problem, right? The Mets have something like $35 mil wrapped up in Frenchy, OK-Rod, OP, and Cantstanyo—the Marlins whole team is at $55 mil.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
except we won't
and this team is gong to suck ass next year anyway. A major reason for that is overpaying K-rod.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
1) I think we'll be pretty good. Maybe 90 wins if some good complementary moves are made.
2) Our concerns are guys like Castillo, Perez, Frenchy, that are getting paid a lot but AREN’T good. We don’t have to be Neil Huntington. MUST TRADE ANYONE WITH 7 OR 8 FIGURE SALARY FOR PROSPECTS
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
You kill me, mg234.
Did you say “good” complementary moves? Who, pray tell, is going to be making those “good” moves?
complementary moves
like taking the money paid to K-rod and splitting it into multiple players who could fill holes and add more value
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
A rare disagreement.
There are a lot of reasons the team is going to suck in 2011. Paying JRod 11.5m isn’t really one of them.
well I meant more overpaying a bunch of players in general
not just K-rod, but Ollie, perez, bay and k-rod
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Yup. I'll cut Minaya slack on Beltran, of course,
but the obvious overpays add up to over $50m.
well I don't really think beltran was an overpay
I think for 27 year old all-world players, like Tex, Sabathia (though I’m not as big a fan when it comes to pitchers), and maybe Crawford you overpay on the back end because you get surplus value on the front end.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Right. That's what I said.
At any rate, Crawford isn’t all-world, and he’s going to disappoint whomever overpays for him. He’s got all the ingredients of a poorish deal coming up:
1) Career year in his walk year—check.
2) Big name—check.
3) Flashy but largely meaningless stolen base stats—check.
4) Yankers likely to be in the bidding for him—check.
5) Not noticeably durable even in his prime—check.
6) Surprisingly low OPS for a star in a corner position—check.
7) Surprisingly low walk totals for a run scoring machine (37 is his second best total through last year). There’s a good reason despite the average and speed why he hasn’t scored 100 runs since 2005.
There are also good reasons why his highest finish in the MVP voting, despite the name recognition, is 26th. He’s a good and solid player, but he’s no superstar. I’ll bet he gets something like 7/140, and he might end up being worth 2/3rds of that.
Yeah sorry I think I was confusing your comment with one in another
thread when i replied.
And yeah thats why I said maybe Crawford because he hasn’t consistently performed like this.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
no they're not
look at K-rods numbers RELATIVE TO OTHER CLOSERS.
he’s barely top ten.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
and that's just closers
if you include relievers good enough to be closers who doesn’t even break the top 15-20
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
who do you want then
who do you want coming out of the bullpen in the 9th
keep in mind WE CAN’T HAVE MARIANO RIVERA OR JOAKIM SORIA
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
this team sucks and might for the forseeable future
they don’t need to pay for a MARIANO RIVERA OR JOAKIM SORIA!!! LOUD NOISES.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
KEEP IN MIND YOU KEEP FUCKING UP BRINGING UP THOSE TWO
LIKE THERE’S NOT 15 OTHER RELIEVERS BETTER THAN HIM.
hell trade for Papelbon, the Red Sox want to shed his salary by any means and he can likely be had for cheap and making significantly less than K-rod. Not to mention it’smetsforme is right.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Trade for Papelbon?
Yeah! Boston’s really gonna be willing to basically give up on contending for a few years.
How are people this educated this moronic?
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
Isn't Bard
slotted in to be their future closer? They could move Papelbon if they wanted to.
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
Why would they though?
They’re a big market club. They can afford to keep him.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
why keep an expensive middle reliever?
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
because he's really good?
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
There really wasn't that much wrong w going w Jailhouse
at 3/37.5. It wasn’t my favorite contract, but let’s face it. A big market team needs a “proven” closer, or the GM faces firing if a pen by committee or untried guy goes up in flames and the season along with it. As a CYA move it was tolerable. It’s the vest that kills.
I should add, I absolutely would not have spent 20m on the pen
during that offseason, and would have picked up two much cheaper guys while spending my money and Putz-chips elsewhere.
except he's not really good
he’s good, but once again not enough to separate him from multiple guys with the same numbers.
hence brand name vs strong option
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I'm talking about Papelbon. Not K-Rod.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
he's not really good either
look at his numbers, and for the 10,001 time, look up any article about the red sox trying to dump him. Why do you keep trying to argue a point thats been refuted multiple times before this conversation even began by the red sox themselves?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
but if he's only going to be used in middle relief
you have to think of how much the money he would be making in that position could buy on the market. Thats a lot more than the value of any middle reliever.
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They actually do want to move Papelbon in the not too distant future
and would trade him for a reasonable return
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
lol dude
do you pay any attention to any other teams? Boston has been trying to dump Papelbon all summer. They put him on waivers to try and get rid of him. They don’t want him, because unlike us they’re smart enough to realize no closer is worth that fucking much and he has nothing to do with whether they contend or not.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
List me some successful teams recently that have gone without a strong closer.
Recently as in post 1995
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
Didn't the RS get a lot of shit that year
that they didn’t start the season with a “proven” closer?
The Phillies went to the WS in 2009 with one of the worst closers in baseball
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Lidge is maybe the most overrated closers in baseball.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
ding ding
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And how did that work out for them?
(Sorry. Couldn’t help it.)
Twins are doing okay this year without Joe Nathan
by James Kannengieser on Aug 16, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
capps
who was dfa’d and kind of awful in 09…so how exactly is he proven? Is proven now just who you arbitrarily decide is proven?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
who they grossly overpaid for
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
So Capps, who's been there for 2 weeks btw, is a proven dominant reliever
And Gregerson and Broxton aren’t. Got it.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 16, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, that's the best part.
I would’ve thought Broxton was even more of a recognizable name than Capps. So why, exactly, isn’t he a dominant reliever?
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
i dunno
it seems quite arbitrary
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
lol so you';re going to completely fail to acknowledge the fact
you’re horribly wrong about the red sox feelings on papelbon despite calling other people moronic?
and a strong closer doesn’t equal a name closer. They have strong closers not named papelbon, which is why they want to move him.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
OK I'll play this game
You really think they’re gonna trade him for our crap? Or would you rather give up a Mejia/Havens/F-Mart to get a good closer when we ALREADY HAD A GODDAMN CLOSER
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
YOU DON'T PAY A GODDAMN CLOSER $12 MILLION DOLLARS
WHEN YOUR TEAM HAS 100 OTHER FUCKING HOLES.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Um why do you think they want major pieces back
for the 10,000th time if you’d bother to actually look up these articles and information you’d say they just want to dump his salary.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
and who are you calling moronic
when you clearly can’t even fucking read an mlb column, because there’s been tons of them talking about how the red sox want to move him.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Papelbon isn't really that good, especially relative to the contract he'll be getting.
And yeah, the Red Sox want Bard as their future closer. As they should.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
eh save for this year
he’s been better than K-rod, and he’ll likely be paid 4-5 million less than him.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
and papelbon was just to stfu metsguys obsession with name players
we could sign franciso and frasor
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Papelbon is good, better than K-Rod, but the Red Sox, a smart organization, aren’t keeping him. Sound like anything we went through last year? Jason Bay?
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Disagree.
But we’ve covered this topic already.
"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan
Well I respect your opinion but
I’m watching football. BTW
TOUCHDOWN G MEN
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Then the Jets got creamed by a guy who went to UMass...
Their 3rd string, I know, but that was hilarious.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 17, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It's so funny.
How can you assault a man, with hundreds of witnesses, break the law, get arrested, injure your thumb to the point where you can’t do your job, while you are doing something illegal, and this still isn;t sufficient enough to void a fucking contract.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 19, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
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