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Mets 3, Astros 1: Youth Rides Pine In Meaningless Win

James made his point prior to the game and I'll go ahead and belabor it here: There will be no meaningful games for the Mets in 2010, so why are Fernando Martinez and Ruben Tejada warming the bench while Jeff Francoeur and Luis Castillo get the bulk of the playing time? That Francoeur had a nice day at the plate is beside the point; we're blowing out candles on the Hindenberg here.

Some good things did happen tonight.

  • Jon Niese allowed just one run in seven innings. He struck out five and walked none. He registered 13 swinging strikes in his 100 pitches. He's one of the silver linings of this cloud-ridden season.
  • David Wright was ridiculously good tonight, making at least a few terrific plays in the field while going 3-for-4 at the plate.
  • Carlos Beltran also looked great, gliding to a couple of nice catches and adding a 2-for-3 at the plate with a walk and his first home run. His .696 OPS is bad, but he's coming back from injury and it has only been a month. Francoeur's OPS is .671, which he has achieved with no known injuries over the entire season to this point.

Poem by Howard Megdal

Beltran's performance is turn back the clock
While Wright's bat finds some of its earlier sock
Even Francoeur runs deep counts (to our shock)
With K-Rod on the shelf, new closer is Tak
(Regardless, the playoffs are hardly a lock)

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if that of the way the winds of change are blowing

let it be known that i also blow.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Aug 16, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok then

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

we all have our hobbies

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Mets

Twirling, twirling, twirling towards .500!

by keepcoolbutcare on Aug 17, 2010 2:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The answer to the question "Why are the young guys not playing" is:

Jerry is fighting for his job and thinks the lineup that he is throwing out there gives him the best chance to win. Omar also wants the team to have as good a record as possible at the expense of development as he wants to ensure that the sun will come up tomorrow.

One mistake causes another. Just fire them already.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Aug 16, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

The weird thing is,

there’s very little chance that Tejada and Fern will be anything other than hopelessly overmatched. Surely Jerry understands that, particularly wrt to Tejada. So, why not bring up Satin or Turner and hope they get lucky and put up an OPS around 750 with average defense? I mean, you KNOW Tejada won’t get near that, and that there is essentially zero chance—if you’re Jerry—that Tejada will do anything other than help cost you your job.

by Jack Str on Aug 17, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know about you guys

but i find veteran presence in and of itself highly entertaining.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm more thrilled that Niese's BBs are way down lately

It helps that his Ks are trending up too. I figured he strike guys out being a lefty with a plus curve but the BBs have been his downfall in the past.

by FrancoTAU on Aug 16, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes indeed.

The rotation for next season is actually shaping up nicely. Depth is missing, but

Santana
Dickey
Niese
Pelfrey
Gee

could take an average offense to the postseason.

Now, the Mets aren’t going to have an average offense in 2011, but that’s another matter entirely.

by Jack Str on Aug 17, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now, or three years from now?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wouldn't

have Mejia start for the ML team in 2011. Let him pitch in AAA, & maybe by the end of 2011 I’d let him start with the Mets.

Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?

by Brian. on Aug 17, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

In AA Mejia's walked almost 5 per 9 innings.

He’s been good there, but hardly great. There’s no way the team should plan on anything other than seeing if he can handle a full year at AAA in 2011.

Agree, kid. We already know what Misch is. Gee has good control, a K rate good enough for the majors, and he’s not old. I’ll guess the Mets are looking at his ERA (4.77, not so good), and not his FIP (3.64, respectable). It would be smart to gather evidence towards deciding whether Gee should be first in line for the fifth starter slot, and to gather it now.

by Jack Str on Aug 17, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don'tnow about Mejia

He is young, but I did not see his fastball as being dominant, swing and miss. I know a lot of that is command of the secondary stuff, but I saw a lot of hard contact on it this year. MIght just be another overrated met.

by jdon on Aug 17, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was only overrated by Jerry

He has a good, hard, 94-97mph sinking fastball. The problem is that his secondary stuff isn’t MLB quality yet (nor should it be for a 20 year old). Since he couldn’t consistently throw his curve/slider/slurve or change for strikes, batters could just sit on his FB.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Aug 17, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

its also why when he did threw them they were dominant. Likely because batters weren’t expecting them or even looking to swing at them.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

not yet

he needs a full year or at least a few months as a starter to figure it out. He needs to be sit down for the winter, no winter ball…just let the arms rest some. come into spring, and then go to AAA and pitch a least 15-20 games as a SP and see.

by Rickfansince76 on Aug 17, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

low at best i think

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be shocked if they don't

They knew he’d be pricey when they took him, I have to imagine they had some idea what he’d ask for. I don’t think anyone expected this to be announced early.

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

4.5 mil is WAY too much for the guy

i say to hell with him.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

50 million was the number being tossed around about Strasburg at this time last year

Boras always has the media worked up with stupid figures and always signs cheaper than anyone had heard.

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 16, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he's dealing with the Mets

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 16, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

so we'll offer 6.5 million

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Omar: The Mets offered $6.5 million?

I better raise their offer, and offer $7.5 million!

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 16, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh god guys I just figured it out

The reason we always bid against ourselves is because the Wilpons legitimately think they own the Dodgers. Everytime the Mets make an offer they think its somebody going against them, so they try to one up it.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

What are the chances

Fred can pull a John Henry with the Dodgers once the McCourt divorce is final?

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Aug 17, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

omg depending on who we got traded for

i’d throw confetti.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is hilarous

because there’s a grain of truth to it.

by Jack Str on Aug 17, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

they sounded pretty confident

f they sign him for 4.5 million then eff them

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It can't hurt

Maybe he’s had time to think about why he sucked, figured out how to stop sucking, and will no longer suck as much. Thus, him playing some this season, we’ll know that he doesn’t suck (as much) for next season.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 16, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It boggles the mind

how dumb Omar & Manuel are. They tell us F! & Tejada are important for the Mets future, & yet they sit on the bench in favor of Francoeur/Castillo, two guys who hopefully won’t be back next year. If Fernando & Ruben aren’t gonna get the majority of the playing time at the major-league level, why didn’t they just leave them in AAA so they could continue to develop and get their plate appearances instead of bringing them up & having them ride the bench?

Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?

by Brian. on Aug 16, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

this is Omarology 101

young guys are better at sitting on the bench—they are more flexible. Everybody knows that!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 16, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me if Omar does these moves and tells Jerry how he'd like them used

Just to have Jerry do whatever he wants. Omar won’t fire him since it moves the bullseye squarely on him next.

by FrancoTAU on Aug 16, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Niese is the only silver lining

David Wright not being David Wright, 10 HR, and Dickey being Dickey are both good things.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 16, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

okay good

17…soo much better

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 16, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have 17 than 10

And no concussions.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 16, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea let's play players with no future on this team in a lost season

rather give Carter the everyday gig, send F! down and release Frenchy

by TheKid08 on Aug 16, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

fuck this team

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

No,

but they can’t be… who am I kidding? Of course they can be that dumb.

Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?

by Brian. on Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rubin said it's basically a given he's nontendered at the end of the year

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 17, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can you only imagine

Francouer getting hot the last 40 or so games. Finishes the season with 20 hr’s and Omar gives him 5/50…

by Joshuah on Aug 17, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

my statement still stands

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been saying that for years....

but I still follow them. heh.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Aug 17, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fucking hell

I wanna yell, but I can’t. Trying to figure out their stupidity is impossible & would only make us more angry.

Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?

by Brian. on Aug 17, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the plus side, this is Jerry we're talking about...

The man who anoints Takahashi as his eighth-inning guy one night, and then removes him in the 8th for Manny Acosta the next night.

So maybe we won’t see Francoeur for a while.

by Bieser's Balk on Aug 17, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually it was the same night

You’re giving Jerryballs too much credit

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 17, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's just mean...

at least wait til game time

by jdon on Aug 17, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah why fin dout what F-mart has

if he isn’t n our plans at least we can showcase him for a trade

by Rickfansince76 on Aug 17, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

A question has to be raised....what's the point of watching at this point in the season?

We aren’t making the playoffs, Jerry and the staff won’t be fired until the end of the year, and we won’t play our young guys, so we won’t learn anything about what they could do for next year.

I mean honestly, is there a single Mets fan out there who gives a shit if Francoeur/Castillo have good games the next two months??

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 16, 2010 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

is there a single mets fan?

apparently yes considering some of the game thread comments

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dickey is always a reason to watch

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Aug 17, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

i will

always tune in to see Dickey toss

by Sanchise on Aug 17, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

More generally the starting pitching is still good to watch

by deadspy3 on Aug 17, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is youth riding pine?

Classic Jerryball. It’s a spin on Roster Management’s Rule 2, "-When a young, unpolished rookie blows away a bunch of Minor Leaguers in Spring Training, it’s best to “force” the GM into bringing him up onto the Major League roster, and then using him in a haphazard manner, more or less like a Rule 5 Draft pick." Replace the blowing away part, though.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 16, 2010 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Braves fan here

Just wanted to say that you Mets fans treated the Chipper (Larry) injury with all class. I happened to browse the Mets and Philthies blogs, and of course, those classless Philthies fans just couldn’t stop whining about Utley and how we deserve an injury like this. You guys showed respect, as I would if the same thing happened to Wright.

I shouldn’t have been surprised to see the difference between the two — we are talking NY vs. Philadelphia here.

by ryantex on Aug 16, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

What?

He’s being completely respectful.

Consequences will never be the same.

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 17, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Compliments like this are the only thing keeping me off the ledge at this point.

by Thomas Wachtel on Aug 17, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?

by Brian. on Aug 17, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sad about it

because I was planning to go to the last game he would have played against the Mets at Citi. Admittedly I wanted to shout LARRRRY a lot but I still would have given the guy a big ovation.

by deadspy3 on Aug 17, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have nothing but respect for chipper

I’d be surprised if he actually comes back healthy next year or ever, but he’s got a lot of pride so I’m not shocked he’s going to try

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Aug 17, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

me too

he did name his son “Shea”….who knows, Shea Jones might end up a Met someday heh.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Aug 17, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he ends up being

awkwardly big, a bit lonely and less successful than he hoped, everyone will call him Citi.

by deadspy3 on Aug 17, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know for myself I never wish injury nor want to see a good player end on a low note

while I hated that he beat up on the Mets I respect it, plus he was classy. If it was John Rocker I would have been happy.

I feel the same about Jeter…he pisses me off because he has been great and helped the Yanks in a way we dream of Wright helping us. but I respect his game and actually pull for him to get 3000 hits…just 0 more rings

but I still hope the Braves fail in the playoffs

by Rickfansince76 on Aug 17, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heyman and Law said Mets signed Harvey for 2.5 mil

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 17, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Say wha!?

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 17, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn howd we swing that

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 17, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

well he signed above slot

and Boras clients usually ask unreasonable numbers

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he didn't have a lot of leverage.

He demands more, they say “see ya” and take the protected pick.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Aug 17, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I'm scared

Boras didn’t take us to the cleaners. I’m pretty sure he could negotiate Omar under the table and he was seeking quite a bit more than he got.

I guess the thought that we have no problem taking the pick next year helped.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Aug 18, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mets sign Harvey

Per Heyman

A bit over $2.5M

by Dep on Aug 17, 2010 12:06 AM EDT reply actions  

While I agree on the Fernando point

I don’t really have a problem with Tejada not playing. The guy can’t hit at all, and it doesn’t really look like he will be a major league regular for at least several years. He should be in the minors. He doesn’t project as a starter for 2011, so why is he up? It would help if he had some speed or on base ability, so again, he has little use other than a defensive replacement. I think Satin should be up over him. The team needs on base guys and unless Satin would make an error every other time he fields a ball, he’s an upgrade over every other guy we could play there. Let’s at least see if he could be a righty bat off the bench next year.

by David G on Aug 17, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree he can't hit

the problem is if they brought him up then it makes no sense to not use him.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

One point to add

I do get that Tejada is also up because he can play short to give Jose a rest, but if that is what keeps him up here instead of Turner or Satin, that’s silly. He’s had about 1 start at short since Jose came back.

by David G on Aug 17, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

and forget Satin

how about Turner if they’re so concerned with defense at second?

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

the problem is

Turner didn’t hit at all either. Small sample, but he didn’t hit.

by David G on Aug 17, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whitson didn't sign, Covey didn't sign

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 17, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Guess it's a good thing we didn't draft him

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 17, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe we can get Whitson next year?

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 17, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

isn't he a prep arm?

he has to stay 3 years in college I thought?

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He can go to JUCO

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.

by AnthonyR on Aug 17, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

well he can

but he’s already committed to Florida.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol wtf

eventually they’re going to ban him for hurting pitching prospects feelings.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 17, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

With this whole KRod injury thing

I think it’s about time we call up Chad Cordero and see if he can be of any use. The dude used to be a pretty damn good closer at least. I also think we should call up Justin Turner like some other people said and send Ruben down to work on his hitting.

by kglash2211 on Aug 17, 2010 3:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I think they should hire comedians

to play for us for the rest of the season. We should mike them, get rid of GKR for the foreseeable, and be truly entertained, instead of the kind of warped entertainment we are receiving now. Okay, the offense will suffer a little, but what the hey!

by jdon on Aug 17, 2010 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

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