Astros 4, Mets 3: Santana Encouraging, Offense Less So
It might not seem like much, but despite giving up four runs in eight innings -- including two home runs to Hunter Pence -- Johan Santana struck out at least six batters (in this case, seven) for the fourth consecutive start. Prior to this stretch, which has occurred entirely in August, Santana hadn't had two straight six-strikeout performances this season. Moreover, from April through July he had exactly four six-plus-strikeout efforts. This is encouraging.
The only question mark in the starting lineup was Jeff Francoeur, for whom a reasonable argument can be made to start against left-handed pitching if the Mets were actually still in contention. Now that that condition is off the table there's no defensible explanation for starting Francoeur if Carlos Beltran doesn't have the day off. Beltran started tonight -- and looked really good, again -- and Angel Pagan, who actually has a future with the organization, rode the pine. Francoeur went 0-for-3 with a walk and has a lower OPS than Chris Carter.
- For whatever stock you put in this sort of thing: Santana's ERA is 2.97 and his record is 10-7. With even a league-average offense he could be 16-5 and might be in the Cy Young conversation. Record and ERA notwithstanding, he hasn't been one of the best pitchers in the league, but I feel like we've spent a lot of time talking about the underwhelming season for a pitcher who, given moderate offensive support, would be in the mainstream conversation for pitcher of the year.
- Ruben Tejada went 0-for-2 and still has no hits since returning last week.
- David Wright went 1-for-4 with a solo home run, knocking in himself for his first RBI of August.
- Jose Reyes went 2-for-4 with a walk and his 24th stolen base of the season in 31 chances (77.4%). He is hitting .246/.254/.404 in August.
- Nelson Figueroa has 32 strikeouts, 12 walks (two intentional), and three home runs allowed in 42.1 innings this season. If the Mets had cut Oliver Perez and kept Figueroa, they could have had the latter's production instead of the former's with only a negligible impact on payroll. They did not do this.
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Wright hits a long ball to even the pace
Pence trumps it; home run defeats the Met ace
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Not that it matters because they didnt fall
But Tejeda did hit the ball really hard in his two at bats.
That .246/.254 thing for Reyes is a typo, right?
Please tell me it’s a typo.
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Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 17, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitch selection to Pence was weird
why give him anything he can pull with ease, just like the first HR?
Also, Ike is really a concern. Is a watered down Adam LaRoche the best we can hope for at this point? His swing needs to be completely revamped, as Keith mentioned. Just way too long, and he’s completely forgotten how to go the other way with a pitch.
Santana has definitely been encouraging the last month
It gives me hope that he might have K/9 over 7 next year
And honestly, Santana has had a pretty good year outside of his awful June. In fact, if you remove June altogether, he has a 116/38 K/BB rate in 147 innings. Not dominant, but pretty damn good
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
so
if the Mets had cut Johan and kept Figgy they would have won this game
by packard37 on Aug 17, 2010 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
wow johan is batting 167 ruben is batting 177 that is horrible
by J3TSFANFORLYF3 on Aug 17, 2010 11:48 PM EDT reply actions
Johan for 2b!
Hey, if you’re not going to bring up Turner or Satin and just be stubborn and let Tejada’s confidence just wither away.
Santana is slugging .245 this year. Tejada is slugging .213.
Amazing.
I wonder what the Mets think is going to happen if they keep sending Tejada to the plate.
I'm not sure why they don't give Turner a fair shake
He’s been a solid 800 OPS guy every year in the minors with a only a couple cups of coffee. I think he’s known as a good glove too.
Done in by Hunter Pants!
curses!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Tejada another o fer
while Satin goes 2 for 4 with a BB and a double tonight for Bingo. Yeah, it’s Double A, but he could clearly be helping this offense as a 2b. He’s up to .329 and well over .400 OBP.
I'm watching the replay of the Phillies-Giants game
Man, I wish we played liked the Phillies play. They come up with big hits time after time after time.
"Never throw a slider to The Glider."
- Ed Charles, No. 5
"Who has more fun than people?"
- Ralph Kiner
Ain't that the truth
Half our players (or as I like to call them, “the Castoffs”) couldn’t even make their 25 man roster. Yet, when I watch the Mets, there they are starting. I don’t really think I need to name them, I bet you can guess :-).
by George_Sloan on Aug 18, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I could care less what they are paying these guys
The mere fact that they are on the team at all is enough to set me off.
If you are too stupid to sign the right players, maybe the right approach would be to spend more, like double the spend. Maybe that way half the players might actually have some value. Then you can keep the good players and just release the sucky ones. Just a thought.
by George_Sloan on Aug 18, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
HA
I knew I had seen that approach before.
Seriously, Cashman is no threat to Omar’s attempt to corner the market on sucky players. Omar has got that locked up,
by George_Sloan on Aug 18, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
SWAGGER
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
4 year old news is not "Breaking"
We’ve sucked for a while.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Every hack journalist in the world
thinks this is breaking news now. I can’t open up a browser without reading someones take on way the Mets suck. It is like the Mets are the A/V geek in high school, everyone is now taking a shot.
Personally, I am just tired of the whole thing, I really don’t want to read some hack’s views on why Omar is a failure, The Wilpons suck, Jerry is a fool, F-ROD is a thug, Yosemite Sam is a better player than Francouer, Castillo is looking for the door, etc. Good teams are talking about how to make a playoff run, and here we are, being the class clown for MLB. Besides, we knew all of the above was true at least 4 months ago.
Thanks for letting me vent, I feel better.
by George_Sloan on Aug 18, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
And if I wasn't clear
I meant the hacks from ESPN, SI, NY Post, etc.
There is nothing to see here, I wish they would move on.
by George_Sloan on Aug 18, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I was hoping I didn’t insult anyone (well, except for the hack).
by George_Sloan on Aug 18, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
usually it is the Offense that lets down the pitching but have to say it was ...
the pitching killing the O.
Santana pitched a verygood game after having a tough 1st inning. 4 hits including a 3 run bomb to the first 4 hitters. but when David hit the tying HR in the top of the 8th, this is when the pitching has to come up big, has to shut down the oponents O. Santana gave up another HR to Pence, deflating any momentum we may have had at the time.
it has been the problem all season hitters not ocming up big after a pitcher gives up a bad inning, fielders not coming up big when a pitcher is struggling and late inning pitching not coming up big when we have the momentum
why wasn't Pagan playing?
…oh yeah Jerry Manuel….
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
You don't want your best players in situations where they can have a positive effect on the game
You want to play Jeff Francoeur to get him going. He has a lot more potential than Pagan, more homers and was really good in 2005.
Johan
After seeing Johan struggle in the first and then pitch pretty dominantly the rest of the game, I’m curious how any of you feel about the whole pitch tipping thing. I only bring it up because I live out of state and last night got the astros broadcast, and their broadcasters brought it up. For a pitcher who relies on his changeup this might make sense at to why we’ve some big innings in otherwise very good games. Any thoughts?
I think last night he just didn't have a great feel for it in the 1st.
Most of the time his changeup is so good, it really doesn’t matter if he tips it. When he’s having trouble getting loose or getting a feel for a pitch, or doesn’t have his best stuff is when the tipping thing is a problem.
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