Rod Barajas is off the DL and in tonight's starting lineup.
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I guess
they want to lead the league in something.
We've already wasted the most money
Ollie + Castillo + Cora + Francoeur + Maine has to be more than anyone else has flushed down the drain
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 19, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Soriano and Zambrano alone crush that
The cubs are by far the biggest payroll waste in all of baseball, they make us look efficient
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Aug 19, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
this
and Soriano and Zambrano’s contracts are still escalating I believe
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
The flipside is that Soriano is productive, just overpaid
I guess you could argue that Zambrano can at least be a 5th starter.
Laugh now
But when Ollie and Castillo get flipped for Zambrano and Soriano in the offseason, you won’t be
by Bieser's Balk on Aug 19, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but I’d rather pay for nothing for one more year than drastically overpay for 3 more.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I'll put the Mets contracts up against any team's.
Bay, Rodriguez, Castillo, Perez, Francouer, and throw in Beltran since this year is the price you pay for signing a star to a seven year deal that ends in his mid-thirties, and that’s $70 million for 2.5 wins.
Hell, I’ll leave Beltran out of this, since that certainly wasn’t a bad contract, then or now. The other five clearly were. $50 million for two and a half wins, and it was all largely predictable. What’s the closest any other team comes to that?
and if they had gotten their way
you’d be able to add Bengie Molina for 2/10 to that list
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
But still soriano and zambrano are owed
112.125 million and have combined for 3.5 wins this year. Though I suppose it’s only 32 million a year for those 3.5 wins which isn’t nearly as bad as us.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
but wait late push from the cubs
Aramis Ramirez is made 15.75 this year and 14.6 next and has amassed -.01 wins.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Those are all lousy deals.
I think the point that interested me the most was that I hear it fairly often in Minaya’s defense, ‘at least he doesn’t hand out Zito-like contracts’ (though I think the Mets narrowly missed getting Barry) which, while technically true, omits that Omar misses at least as much in the smaller deals as other GMs miss in the megadeals.
I hope we have a couple emergency catchers to back them all up
can Ollie play back there?
Seriously, so stupid. If they want to be this stupid, and are intent on not letting Barajas or Blanco go, then they should demote Thole and let him play everyday at Buffalo until the Sept. call ups, and bring up either Duda, Satin or Turner to strengthen that weak ass bench.
And a pitcher that does nothing and gets paid 12 million a year.
Consequences will never be the same.
yeah but at least they have the justification of owing him 12 million dollars
they owe barajas like 60 bucks
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
and at least they dont use ollie
they use barajas regularly and then can’t figure out why our offense is so bad
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Idiots, they are.
But how can you justify giving Oliver Perez 36 million dollars?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 19, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't
even if you were drunk off your ass.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 20, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Insanity
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 21, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Jerry was talking this week about how if Barajas gets back to his torrid early season pace
he’ll definitely have to give him a lot of playing time. It’s mindboggling, how willfully stupid these people are. That they don’t recognize that as an outlier, and are, apparently, actively hoping for it?
Alternatively, they’re not idiots — well, not complete idiots, and they’re talking him up to get him traded. I just don’t really believe that’s Jerry’s motivation, though. He doesn’t give a fuck, he knows he’s gone.
What a coincidence!!
We’re also the only NL team with Omar and Jerry!
Oh and that lineup. I thought I misread it when I first looked at it.
Consequences will never be the same.
SSDD, par for the course as usual
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 19, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember that Mugatu started out designing novelty neckties...
And Omar started out parking cars….
So yeah, fiction not so far from the truth. And who else knew this detail from Zoolander? Speaking of, I need to start writing my eugoogly for the 2010 Mets.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 19, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank god you are doing it, because Im going to a day spa.
D-A-I-Y-E SPA
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 19, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
OBEY MY DOG!
KILL THE MALAYSIAN PRIME MINISTER! SIGN VETERANS WITH LOW OBP!
by MookieTheCat on Aug 19, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
in 99 PA's thole has been worth .7 WAR
in 264 Barajas has been worth .5
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Rod Barajas!
Yippee!
The one and only mistermet on teh Interwebz!
by Steve Schreiber on Aug 19, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions
this is the same crap they did last year
Jerry got Schneider and Santos ABs over Thole.
Sheffield got playing time, Evans was nowhere.
Murphy platooned wiht Tatis. Believe me I am far from a Murphy fan, but Tatis had no business getting ABs at the end of the year.
Maybe Jerry thinks switiching catcher in the middle of the game will confuse the opposing hitters
by The Frito Pundito on Aug 19, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
I did something like this...
Starting all the fat players in my NES hockey game. MoFo worked.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 19, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not every single roster move needs to be mourned like the end of the world
This arrangement might last a week at most, as Blanco or Barajas might get flipped through a waiver trade. It’s not worth all the wringing of hands and “wah wah same old Mets” attitude.
It’s bad enough that the product on the field is pedestrian… we don’t need to wallow in things that mean nothing.
If I’m wrong and this arrangement lasts the season and Thole loses playing time, then I’ll complain. A lot.
As long as Jerry is here, Thole will never get the amount of playing time he actually deserves
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Just another data point, IMO
Minaya does a few things very well. But the Mets’ roster management (choosing which players to keep on the active roster, which ones to send off the 40-man, etc.) has been basically horrendous throughout the entire Minaya era. I think it is worth rehashing the theme when appropriate.
Quoth Jerry
Jerry Manuel added that the organization is not committed to starting Thole the bulk of the games the remainder of the season. Particularly if Barajas can match his April/May performance of 11 homers — and that’s a big if — the veteran catcher and not Thole will log the bulk of the duty, according to Manuel.
No one is claiming it’s the end of the world. It’s a bad move, one worth documenting. If you think it’s a good move — or not a bad move — tell us why, I’d like to listen. Otherwise, I’m not seeing your point. I’m not giving the Mets the benefit of the doubt here, based on history (see comments in this thread about last year’s September playing time mistakes).
by James Kannengieser on Aug 19, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
it also nicely lumps multiple of the mets, as an organization, biggest issues
with decision making in one nice nutshell.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
One nice nutshell?
I am the Mets, what am I doing in this great big nutshell….If anything is a nutshell, it’s the shell of retarded we have been imprisoned in. The saddest thing about Jerry/Omar is that they seem to follow standard baseball practice, while in practice making shit up as they go along, and deviating from basic norms as they see fit (and usually in ridiculous ways)/
by MookieTheCat on Aug 19, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true.
They do almost nothing that you’d expect from a conventional FO. Sometimes they play the kids. Sometimes they play the vets. It’s hardly routine for them to play the better player. They have no one on the major league roster that can play 2b, and at least a couple of guys in the minors that might be able to handle the position, but they play the one guy, the rookie, who clearly cannot hit enough to justify taking up a spot on the 25-man roster, the one guy who cannot contribute towards the team making the postseason even while claiming they’re still in the race. At catcher, the have a rookie who actually has been hitting very well, but they insist on playing the veteran who, like the rookie at 2b who can’t hit at all, also can’t hit at all.They’re playing their worst player at the position while nonetheless claiming that they’re still in the race.
There’s a lot more, but what was funniest to me was how hard they tried to limit the playing time of their best player, Angel Pagan. They got Gary Matthews, Jr., who had put up -1.1 WAR in the previous three seasons, into 20 games in May even though he was having trouble keeping his OPS over .500, often at the expense of Pagan’s playing time.
I can’t wait for the end-of-season recaps.
Right....
And what got me so angry above was thinking about the excuses for not using closers in big situations where no save was on the line. The standard response was “every team does it like this.” While that’s a poor excuse in any event, the decision-making issues you identify make it all the more laughable.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 21, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. It's like that lame excuse you try to get by with when you're 14:
“But all the other kids are [slitting their veins, commingling blood, and snorting coke off of !#!$#’s ^*^s] doing it!”
You never try to cover up a hooker...
Kinda defeats the purpose.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 23, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
you must've used to "@"'s
either that or you have a sizable trunk, a good shovel, and a lot of lye.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I guess that settles that.
Barajas is gone. Thole is the starter. Let’s go Mets.
by Brian Mangan on Aug 22, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said.
I’d love to see Thole develop a little power. He’s actually been Cora-bad for the last month, with a line of .222/.291/.250/.541 with all of two doubles over his last 79 PAs.
Is it a faulty impression I’m having or do more Mets prospects than you’d expect come up, hit acceptably or better, then go into prolonged slumps—and could that have to do with the quality of instruction at the major league level? Davis hit brilliantly for a month, and hasn’t done anything since. Thole, similarly. Tejada was fine for a month, and has been among the worst hitters in the majors since. Martinez was unimpressive last year, then downright terrible. Am I missing anyone?
Thole: 1st 14 games in 2010: 1.238 OPS. 25 games since: .541 OPS.
(last year: 1st 8 games: 890 OPS. Last 9 games: 624 OPS.)
Ike Davis: 1st 35 games in 2010: 890 OPS. Last 73 games: 681 OPS.
Fernando Martinez: 2009, 1st 11 games: 650 OPS. Last 18 games: 426 OPS.
Ruben Tejada: 1st 17 games in 2010: 657 OPS. Last 28 games: 352 OPS. And still going, and going…
I still wish we signed Jason Kendall
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
no you don't.
trust me. Kendall isn’t much better than any of the other 2 “Veteran” clowns this team has.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 20, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It's interesting that in spite of that cliff he fell off of a decade or so ago
Kendall still scores pretty well on BBRef’s Hall of Fame monitor. He’s got over 1000 runs scored and he’s closing in on 2100 games played and 2200 hits. Kendall is 167th all time in plate appearances, and he’s a catcher for crying out loud.
It’s just too bad he hasn’t really hit since 2004. In Kendall’s case, like Jeff Francouer’s, durablity is more a negative than it is a positive.
honestly
i am ok with admitting we are out of the race and preparing for next year, why the f can’t jerry be? god i hate him soo freaking much! i don’t want barajas on the team, let alone getting the bulk of the playing time. same can be said for ollie and luis, call up turner or satin or both. i am just so frustrated with jerry i can’t stand to read whats happening with this team right now. why must we keep him around as a lame duck manager?
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
o and same can be said for frenchy still playing
duda time?
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
What's so ludicrous
is the simple fact that if you think this team is in contention, YOU PLAY JOSH FRAKKING THOLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
It’s insane. Manuel is saying, ’we’re still in the race, so I am going to get my WORST catcher in the lineup as much as possible.’
This is why in another thread several of were giving a little bit of a hard time to a poster who argued we were still in the race. Not with Manuel managing, we’re not. Can’t be. If he can’t see this, and he can’t, just as he can’t see the fifty other similar issues for what they are, then this team CANNOT contend.
This graphic could also be used to reflect the following:
NL teams believing/not believing Gary Matthews Jr. deserved to be on a major league roster
NL teams believing/not believing Frank Catalanotto deserved to be on a major league roster
NL teams believing/not believing Mike Jacobs deserved to be on a major league roster
NL teams believing/not believing Alex Cora deserved to be on a major league roster
by dontstopbelieving on Aug 19, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Making matters worse...
NL teams believing/not believing Gary Matthews Jr. deserved to start on Opening Day
NL teams believing/not believing Frank Catalanotto deserved to bat cleanup in a real game
NL teams believing/not believing Mike Jacobs deserved to bat cleanup on Opening Day
NL teams believing/not believing Alex Cora deserved an easily vesting option
by Bieser's Balk on Aug 19, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cora has a 2/14 split....
Otherwise correct.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 19, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You can add in who thought Ollie deserved more than a 1 year deal
There’s rumors for every FA and team every off season, except Ollie 2 years ago. The rumors were that the Rangers asked Boras about a 1 year deal and nobody else even called on him.
not bad
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 19, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
if only we could bomb that bad
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
I looked at this for the second time tonight
and I swear to God I almost broke down crying.
Consequences will never be the same.
so what IS this love affair this team has with using three catchers on their roster?
can anyone make sense of this for me? anyone?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Kind of.
Who else they gonna put on the bench? I see it as a depth problem overall, not a particular love of catchers problem.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
feliciano
duda, turner, nick evans would be worlds more useful than Barajas and evans and turner are on the 40 I believe, there’s really zero reason for one of evans/turner to not be taking that last spot. Really there’s zero reason both of them aren’t on over Barajas and Tejada who has zero business in the majors.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I said "put on the bench"....
Not be minimally smart and bring up from the minors. I am right with you on the “for chrissakes bring a guy who can hit up even if he rides the pine, just give him extra batting practice or something” argument. But when your bench consists of Carter, Tejada, Jesus etc. what are you gonna do? But yeah, we agree.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 23, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
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