Rubin: Meet the Mess, Part 2: Can the Mets make 2011 interesting?

I agree with a lot of what Rubin's saying here, but when you indulge in the "Meet the Mess" narrative and you cover the Mets?
Douche.

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eh I can't think of anything more accurate

and straight to the point than meet the mess

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 25, 2010 1:50 AM EDT reply actions

His job is to be objective

and to be honest, while he’s been right a lot of the time, he’s been anything but objective since joining ESPNNY

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Aug 25, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions

I'd say calling us a mess is pretty objective

I think you’re confusing objective with nice.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 25, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

He's being objective and honest...

And goes a lot deeper into finances than anything I’ve read thus far. I think “mess” is an understatement, if anything.

by MookieTheCat on Aug 25, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Next year’s not going to be pretty. What really infuriates me is the thought that they’re OK with releasing Ollie over the winter, when he’s only got $12 million left on his deal, but they refuse to eat the contact in mid-season when there’s $15 or so million left, even though it makes absolutely no difference, since it’s all guaranteed anyway. What the hell is the difference, since we’re already getting nothing out of him? He’s literally just occupying space right now, so just dump his worthless ass and be rid of him.

May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 25, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions

actually, it does make a lot of difference

If you buy into the idea that Ollie’s problem is in his head, then there’s a hope that with a new coaching staff he can return to his previous shape. At this point of the season, with rosters expanding in a few weeks, Mets pretty much out of contention and a certainty of managerial change, the Mets can afford to keep Ollie and give him another try. On the other hand, he absolutely has to be cut in April if he does not show any progress during the offseason and Spring training.

by alexSVK on Aug 25, 2010 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah what doesn't make sense

is the fact they think Ollie’s problem is in his head.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 25, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions

Remember a while back in that debate about trading players with back loaded and front loaded contracts...

This

Still, deferring the big payments to the back end of the contract is like running up a credit card while already overwhelmed by debt — it feels good now, but will only make it more crippling to maneuver when the serious payments are due.

by MookieTheCat on Aug 25, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions

We can just sell our debt to the Chinese, right?

And in exchange, they’ll send us prospects heavily tainted with lead.

May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 25, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions

The thing that really gets me mad

is that there are relatively simple ways to improve this team by 10-12 wins without spending huge money on long-term deals (read, Lee/Crawford), but because the Wilpons know they can sell a team with 8-10 homegrowns on the roster (no matter how rushed some of them may be) to the fanbase, they’ll be happy to send out a 80 win team yet again.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Aug 25, 2010 3:38 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs

A+

This is a perfect comment. Really — 100% accurate.

by Dan Lewis on Aug 25, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions

Same song and dance that we've been hearing

Especially in web discussions. Problem with this kind of negativity is: where are the solutions?

The situation they have presented themselves with will be excruciating again this off season, we know. Now is the time to look for a GM candidate to replace Minaya and begin building asap. I like Minaya a lot as a scout, I mean I lot, look at the finds hes made in comeback players but hes a piece of the puzzle without anyone knowing what the overall picture is. I saw Gillick and Tower’s name in the discussion, would absolutely love to hear what those guys have in mind for this team 2-3 years down the road. Also would let them pick the next manager, having Omar do it again would be pointless.

by Sitebot'sGrisson on Aug 25, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions