Marlins 11, Mets 4: Scoring Runs Is Hard

The Mets racked up seven leadoff walks, nine walks overall, 10 hits, and a hit-by-pitch, and still managed to score just four runs. They left 12 runners on base and went 3-for-10 with runners in scoring position. Not content with his 2-for-4 night, Jeff Francour made up for the times-on-base surplus by getting thrown out going first-to-third on a none-out single by Josh Thole in the fifth. Yep, it was that kind of night.
Jon Niese was mostly terrific through the first five innings, striking out seven and making just one mistake that resulted in a Hanley Ramirez two-run home run in the fourth. In the sixth inning, the wheels fell off as the car caught fire and drove off a cliff. The play-by-play:
L Morrison hit by pitch.
H Ramirez singled to center, L Morrison to second.
D Uggla doubled to left, L Morrison scored, H Ramirez to third.
G Sanchez walked.
M Stanton struck out swinging.
W Helms hit sacrifice fly to right, H Ramirez scored, D Uggla to third.
B Hayes hit a ground rule double to right, D Uggla scored, G Sanchez to third.
D Murphy hit for A Sanchez.
E Dessens relieved J Niese.
D Murphy reached on infield single to shortstop, G Sanchez scored, B Hayes to third.
C Maybin singled to left, B Hayes scored, D Murphy to second.
L Morrison doubled to deep right, D Murphy and C Maybin scored.
H Ramirez flied out to left.
And just like that a 4-2 lead was transformed into a 9-4 deficit, and that was pretty much all she wrote in this one.
Adding injury to insult, Jose Reyes aggravated the right oblique strain that kept him out of action earlier in the season. The Mets are calling it a minor injury, which means he's probably out for the rest of this season and all of next as well.
On the plus side of the ledger, David Wright continued his hot streak with a 2-for-3 night, smashing his 21st homer of the season and picking up a couple of walks to boot. His OPS is creeping back towards .900.
Poem by Howard Megdal
Niese no-no through three, and Wright hits a blast
Eleven runs later, Mets fans were aghast
And theme of the night was happy, then bleak
As Reyes hits single, but oblique gets tweak
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* FishStripes Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: David Wright, +20.8% WPA, Angel Pagan, +6.4% WPA
Big losers: Jon Niese, -36.0% WPA, Elmer Dessens, -27.2% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Wright two-run home run in first, +19.1% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Uggla RBI double in sixth, -21.8% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -62.8% WPA
Total batter WPA: +12.8% WPA
GWRBI!: Brett Hayes
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by Gina; her effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Gina | 100 |
| 2 | MookieTheCat | 83 |
| 3 | jdon | 80 |
| 4 | Syler | 69 |
| 5 | aparkermarshall | 67 |
| 6 | itsmetsforme | 45 |
| 7 | Michkin | 42 |
| 8 | fxcarden | 33 |
| 9 | Evan_S | 32 |
| 10 | lstorie1971 | 31 |
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Notice the Citi Field Cycle within the 1st 6 batters in the 6th?
Yep, that kind of night.
Subtext to the 6th was Fenchy giving up on that ground rule double...
Of course, I have to give him credit for running down the ball hit immediately before, but the lack of hustle on that GRD was pretty bad.
it kinda looked like he lost it in the lights or something
he may have also been winded from his last catch?
by englishgrey on Aug 26, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Blinded by the light!
Ran down like a douche.
A winded runner can’t take flight…
by MookieTheCat on Aug 26, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Francoeur’s range to his left at Citi down that RF line has looked brutal all year. It looks like he loafs on every ball hit that way.
I have to watch most games on Gamecast/Gameday...
So that was new to me. But damn, my little league coach would have pulled a RF for doing that.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 26, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And Pagan would've most likely gotten to both.
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Does Jerry ever notice when his pitchers have lost it
by Sir Tmac on Aug 26, 2010 10:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
After that HBP right to the knees...
It might have been a good time to start examining. But no.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 26, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
so whats the deal with reyes?
DL bound? i missed the game and interviews
-concerned fantasy owner
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
No comment due to the fantasy motivation....
But take a good guess as to what he hurt,. Should not be too hard to figure out given recent history.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 26, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Scary thought time...
If not for a Slappy walk-off, we may have been swept at home by the Marlins.
Not sure why that's a scary thought
They own us at the end of seasons
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Marlins Extra Show is on....
They have their organization-wide pitching coach on. The advice he was giving to minor league pitchers: “You don’t need velocity, if you can place the ball. If you have an aggressive team and you can get a fastball down and in, they see fastball and swing fastball, and will pound the ball onto the ground every time.”
Yup, I somehow think the Mets were on his mind.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 26, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
After the Francoeur catch in right-center in the 6th,
I turned away to watch Burn Notice. Did Frenchy do something dumb after that catch?
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
you should have stayed for like 3 more minutes
its when the lulz began
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Frenchy lollygagged at a ball that he thought was going to drop foul, and it dropped fair, resulting in a groundrule double
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
Burn Notice + Royal Pains + White Collar = Win x 3
I did the same
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Jersey shore = instant loss
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You fail. Thanks for playing.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If hating Jersey Shore is failing
then I don’t want to pass.
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That does not logically work:
Baseball = the best thing ever
Watching baseball = good
Baseball players = mostly dumb people
If Watching stupid people for entertainment =epic fail, but watching baseball = good, and baseball players = mostly dumb people, how can good = epic fail?
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Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
mets=all dumb people
and the people on jersey shore aren’t stupid, they’re actually pretty smart. They’ve managed to turn their 15 minutes into millions, most people don’t do that on accident (hence why none of the real worlders are millionaires), they’re also downright hilarious.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Or they've hired smart lawyers
like a bunch of baseball players I know of.
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eh that would still make them smarter than like 90% of athletes
since most go broke a few years after retiring
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Vinny is actually genuinely smart.
He graduated cum laude from SUNY New Paltz.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 28, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
really I think the only legitimately dumb ones
are like snooki and ronnie, and maybe sam.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Not for nothing....
But didn’t Jim Dolan go to New Paltz?
by MookieTheCat on Aug 28, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
that catch may have just gotten him an extention with this team!
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
by feslenraster on Aug 27, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Mets 2010 with the Bases loaded = fail
I don’t know what the numbers are but I’m pretty sure it’s really beyond bad.
In somewhat unrelated news
According to one NL scout, the Dodgers were "bailed out’’ big-time by the Mets’ letting Rod Barajas go on waivers, as they were getting nothing from the catching position since Russell Martin went down for the year and now have a player with the potential to get hot (he had three hits in his Dodgers debut after struggling in recent months with the Mets).
/facepalm
our fail is worse than your fail
by secret defense on Aug 27, 2010 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
Way to get some value...
I’m sure there is something of value in the Dodgers system that we might have been able to use. But no soup for us. ONE YEAR.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i think crappy player for cash
is the best case scenario for both sides when it comes to Omar and Colleti making trades.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
You need to go to B school...
And a good one at that. Value can be defined as detriment to you (not much here) or benefit to the other guy (seemingly a lot). You never give something up for less than the lesser of your detrmiment or the other guy’s benefit. The Internal Revenue Code actually includes this presumption in income calculation.
Then again, given what we are working with, I agree with you.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
.
You never give something up for less than the lesser of your detrmiment or the other guy’s benefit.
Wow, that made no sense to me and I’m a philosophy major (who likes Nietzsche)…
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Basically, the value of something is...
Either (i) how much it hurts you to lose it or (ii) how much the other guy benefits from getting it. This should set the floor for the price offered. Point is that if Barajas was valued by the Dodgers because he could fill a need for them, we should have offered him for something in return, even if losing him was of negligible cost to us.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but once again this is Omar and Colleti
Colleti would have offered their prospect Omar would have countered by offering 5 million in cash + Duda, Lutz and Meija
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Wright hit another HR and had a good night
All I care about (though, Reyes being day-to-day is not cool).
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
Same here yet again
Although it would’ve been nice for Niese to not get killed in that 6th inning (fantasy owner).
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Great
Let’s start taking up a collection for Jose’s burial. I wouldn’t want our training staff watering my plants.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
I've been sending "positive vibes" the Mets' way for THIRTY-EIGHT YEARS
Talk to me when you’ve reached my frustration level. That is all.
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
I still haven't had my coffee...sorry Anthony, I wasn't replying to you at all...
and I agree about the training staff.
It's a game of redeeming features. ~ Bob Murphy
WTF
“The Mets are calling it a minor injury, which means he’s probably out for the rest of this season and all of next as well.”
Whats up with this attitude from Mets fans. If you think this way and expect failure it will come to fruition. Stop thinking the worst, have faith that the team can do good things instead of being shitty. I hate the demeanor of all the Mets fans. Golly gee our team never has any chance and we suck, but we gotta believe cause their amazin.
Thoughts do not have magical powers
Every Met fan could send good vibes to the Mets and they will continue to lose. Anyway, if we can’t complain, what’s the point of even watching anymore?
Also, cynicism is a good way to keep the organization accountable. No team’s word should be taken at face value, especially when that team is the Mets and the subject is player injuries.
We are not talking about sucking
We are talking about the total ineptitute of how we handle injuries to multi-million dollar athletes.
There is a horrific track record within the organization when dealing with these types of things and simply thinking the best is not going to make Ray Ramirez in to James Andrews.
Wake up.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Yea well we need to rehire a whole new medical staff along w all new coaches
Yea I am awake. I not just talking about injuries though. Its with everything in Mets fans demeanor. They never expect much and don’t think that our team is ever capable of coming back in games and winning. Always giving up.
I know our team is fairly shitty but that is a factor of the retarted organization, and hopefully that changes, and really soon.
You lost all credibility in saying that Mejia should be our closer next year below
I cannot speak to you.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
lol ok
Why because where else should he be? In the rotation right? Along with Dickey, because those two guys will be really reliable for a playoff team next year
How about AA?...
or, at most, AAA?
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why wouldn't we be negative
what reason have the mets given for us to believe in them?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Tom, you misspelled "retarded".
I don’t think this conversation needs to go any further.
oh man my bad. so sorry
im really glad there are people to correct on spelling mistake for me. retar. that better
oh shit. i f'd up again.
im such a retar. i meant one* spelling mistake. but i guess that now makes two. i must be ratarted
Yeah, that was kinda funny, intentional or not.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummmmm Mr. Carvel...
With all due respect, get back to making Cookie Puss and Fudgie the Whale. The Reyes comments are a recognition of the fact that seemingly minor soft-tissue injuries have a habit of turning into gross injuries on this team, either due to pure bad luck or misfeasance on the part of the training staff. I’m inclined to believe that if it happens to one guy, it may be bad luck. When it happens to guy after guy after guy, it’s something more than that. Look at our DL figures the past few years and the number of guys who seem ok one day and are debilitated the next due to a preventable issue.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is
that the Mets and Tinker Bell share the same magical dependence upon “I believe-ness”?
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I've been sending "positive vibes" in the Mets' direction for THIRTY-EIGHT YEARS
Talk to me when you’ve reached my frustration level. That is all.
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Changes for next season...
Begin with the manager and GM. Hopefully we can get somebody like Billy Bean and Bobby V. Something like that would help. Also kissing the Wilpons goodbye would be nice too.
I say we make the Mets winners by signing Crawford, putting him in LF and moving Bay to RF. Pairing Crawford and Reyes at the top of the lineup should be pretty imposing. Then to address the rotation we should add Webb and Vazquez. I think Webb should be good after over a year of recovery from his shoulder surgery. He could be a bargain steal if he rounds into his former Cy Young form. He should not be too expensive based on his health and could be a great #2 and perfect example and influence for Pelf. Even though some may be worried about Vazquez this year, I think by putting him back in the NL and in Citi he will move back toward his ATL #‘s of 2009. He would only need a one year deal and would be a great #5. Also try and trade Beltran to an AL team, I say include one of our prospects like Fernando if we can get something good in return. We don’t need an aging CF when we have Pagan and can improve our OF by adding Crawford. Crawford would be a doubles and triples machine in Citi.
So for next year, a great team I think would be led by a lineup of: Reyes, Crawford, Pagan, Wright, Davis, Bay, Thole, Tejada. Then our potentially great rotation of Johan, Webb, Pelf, Niese, Vazquez.
Then I say we put Mejia in the ‘pen as our closer, Parnell is our SU man, add in Tak, Gee, Feliciano, and maybe sign FA’s Guerrier, and Balfour and we have a great bullpen.
I would also look to add Ramon Hernandez as our backup catcher/1b bench player. Then round out our bench with Nick Evans who can be a 1b/3b, Willie Bloomquist who is a great utility player who plays everywhere and Chris Carter. That actually gives the Mets a great bench with depth on this team which is what a championship team needs.
If this is what the Mets looked like next year...
We should win the division w/o question and have a great chance in the postseason.
And we could find a magical ATM machine that would spit out money day and night....
To do all this. And then all would be well.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea
Its called the owners stop being cheap and stupid and spending money on the right players. Were in fricken NY, use our damn market and the money this organization should be pulling in.
Your anger, sir, is misdirected...
Stupid, yes. Cheap, no. We have expensive, stupid decision after expensive stupid decision on our books. Spending more won’t make it better,
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea.
Spending more on quality players like Crawford and Webb would do very well for our organization. Instead of silly “cheap” and “cost saving” signings like Perez and Bay.
Ok...In All Small Words...
We have no cash. We have no cash cuz of bad men who do not hit or field or pitch well but are rich. We are stuck. Sucks.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know I am repeating myself, but
I think the Mets cut payroll next year, not increase it. Even if we were to get into the FA market, I am not sure any of those players would want to come to the Mets. I think we would either have to over pay them by a ridiculous amount or we would have to be their last option. I think all the players mentioned are getting to have better options.
Just as an off hand observation, I am not sure what you would do with Crawford, LF is currently occupied.
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions
they dd
and they’ve claimed in the past they’d spend up to the lt…the lt is up to 170 million this year. our payroll is about 40 million short. The Red Sox and Yankees routinely do so I don’t see why we shouldn’t, especially when it comes to eating contracts any blind person can see is horrible, I’m not even saying go spend 40 million, just the 10 million it would have cost to bring in Piniero, and Hudson.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Do you trust the men who continue to employ
Jerry Manuel, Howard Johnson, Omar Minaya and Ray Ramirez to make the right decision on anything?
That my friend, is your issue right there. We could spend $160 million next year, but if we don’t have the right people pulling the trigger, it won’t make a difference.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Yea thats true I agree.
I wish the Wilpons were gone along with all others. But there is no way the Owners should be calling the shots on any player signings. That just proves the ineptitude of the Wilpons and the organization. Everything needs to be turned around. But if we had Billy Bean calling the shots and spending $160 mil our team would be very different.
Ok this I agree with....
But it’s a waste of time to wish for a pony for Christmas. It ain’t happening.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No need to be negative and offensive Tom.
Put on your happy face and root, root, root for the home team!
Right?
by Jack Str on Aug 27, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Put Meija in the pen?
flagged
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by Gina on Aug 27, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Willie Bloomquist?
Credibility lost
…who am I kidding? There wasn’t any left to be lost.
Although, I must say, you are learning… kind of; you started with trading Pagan, Reyes, and Santana(?), then moved on to Reyes and Beltran, and now have settled on just Beltran. And at least now you’re not demanding Cliff Lee…
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Psh yea, who am I kidding
Bloomquist wouldn’t be a useful utility/bench player. Or a pinch runner for Davis at all. Hes a total slap.
Nope never mentioned Santana, our only good pitcher, now that would be retarded.
And we should trade Wright
for a bag of wise rippled potato chips. At least the whole stadium could crunch at the same time and set some kind of record in shitty field
Yeah, you tell 'em!
Traid that dam c0re!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
that lineup
might average 2 and 1/2 runs a game
Why not?
We are going to need a closer next season with Krod out for a while. And Mejia is not going to be able to give us a whole season in the rotation. So why not use his filthy stuff to close out games? We can put him in the rotation on 2012.
It's not a video game
He needs to build up arm strength before he can pitch 200 innings in the majors. Throwing 70 in 2012 is going to hurt his development.
I'm starting to think EA has done more to hurt young sports fans
than ESPN.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
That works so often...
From closer to starter. It's a can't miss
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The reason we suck is that the organization thinks like you
He is 20 frigging years old. Let him develop in to a starting pitcher in the minors where he belongs instead of jerking him around.
It is not all about the short-term. This kid has a future and needs to be treated as such.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Yea thnking like mine
Im pretty sure a guy named Johan started his career in the pen and then moved into the rotation and did well. We put Mejia as our closer next year, he logs 70 quality innings in the majors and then goes to winter ball and gets another 50 or 60 ip. Then in 2012 we move him into the rotation and get 160ip out of him, then he is full time in 2013. That is if the world is still around by then
Yeah, and he didn't become a full time starter until his age 25 year
BECAUSE HIS DEVELOPMENT WAS STUNTED
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Have you ever seen Johan's stats out of the pen?
I’ll make it easy for you. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santajo02.shtml
That’s JUST what we need as a closer. I think an ERA near 7 fits the role nicely. The difference is that the Twins have a history of developing young players, we have a history of ruining them. Please just stop talking. I would suggest reading the arguments and articles on here for a month or so, then come back.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea I did see his stats
But he was not as polished or did not have the repertoire that Mejia has at his age. And if his development being stunted means winning two Cy youngs then i’m missing something.
I guess you're missing something, then.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be patience
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
by Brian. on Aug 27, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Patience?
So what we wait until Wright in on the downside of his career and Johans arm is falling off? This teams chance to win is now, with Johan at his peak. We need to take advantage of this and use the best players available at our disposal
The team's chance to win isn't now, though;
You know, the whole “I want to win now, not three years from now” mocking of Burkhardt and all…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
In truth,
I agree with your point that we should be able to win now with Johan at his peak. However, organizational cockups have made that harder than it should be. There’s no need to sacrifice Jenny’s future when the position he would fill(middle relief), is very fixable, if you have a GM who knows what he’s doing. There’s no point in delaying Jennry’s ascent into the starting rotation by placing him back in middle relief, an area in which he struggled.
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
unfortunately
Johan’s time has been wasted here. Nothing to be done about it, and probably not next year either.
I agree with the point too
but putting Meija in the closer role does absolutely nothing towards helping us to win now. He’s not even ready which he proved earlier this season. You want closers sign Balfour and Thorton, then sign a reliable 4th outfielder or ship off Beltran, void K-rod’s contract and break the bank for Crawford and Lee. Those two together will add about 7-10 wins, fire Hojo and add about 2-3 wins from Wright (okay a bit of hyperbole but I think it could happen) And you’ll probably be adding about 1-2 wins replacing our worst bullpen arm with balfour (thortons a slight upgrade over K-rod but probably not enough to be significant). Now you’ve turned us into a win now team without putting Meija in the bullpen for no friggin reason.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Yea i agree with what your saying
Its along the lines of what I said earlier. Those relievers along with Guerrier as an option. I would trade away Beltran, get rid of Castillo and Perez at wtv the cost. Not too sure about adding Lee because the Wilpons will not pay for him. I would add Crawford though for sure. To solves the rotation I would just add Webb and Vazquez. Webb isn’t going to command as big a deal at all considering his surgery. Put incentives and injury clauses in his deal. And Vazquez would be a reasonable one or two year signing to have as our #5. Yea then we have a really good team that will compete and Mejia would be ready to move into the rotation in 2012 and take over for Vazquez.
I like the Vazquez and Guerrier signs
but that’s about it.
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I love it: "with Johan at his peak."
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by CTRefJay on Aug 27, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, really...
I gave you the link. See lines 1 and 2 of his career stats.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude
I have seen the stats plenty of times. I have looked at them on ESPN. I know where to go. And if im not mistaken Mejia has already outperformed Johan in his first year out of the pen.
How does that matter though?
Starting and relieving are two completely different things, particularly to a young player who is not used to pitching every other day.
Using him in the pen at the expense of his development as a starter is silly.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
He would fill a need
Until Krod comes back then midseason next year, then we send him down to the minors to be ready for 2012. It would not hinder his development. He has tons of talent and has plenty of time to develop as a starter. He can’t be expected to give us a full season for at least another two years anyway.
To your last point,
He can’t be expected to give us a full season for at least another two years anyway.
You’d have to make that 3 if you stick him in the ‘pen early in the season again. You can’t keep stopping & starting with a pitcher who will be critical to this team’s success going forward. The best thing to do for the short & long-term is to leave him alone & let him start. That way, he can be ready to contribute as a starter for the ML-Mets quicker. And plus, you can always find good relievers in free agency.
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
I went back to his stats again to check whether I missed something...
2 below-average (to put it nicely) years in the pen. Then two what look to be half-seasons. Then he caught on fire.
by MookieTheCat on Aug 27, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He also was never used in the "closer" role, iirc.
It’s not uncommon for young starters to spend some time in the pen, not because their team thinks that’s where they have the most value, but because short of shutting them down it’s the only way of limiting their innings.
Some young starters also need to be severely limited in their pitch counts, which can mean two and three inning stints. It’s not unusual for a guy who has had mulitple injuries to be babied with fifty and seventy pitch maximums.
Yeah, 'cause Mejia is real polished with his one good pitch he can throw for a strike...
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which one is that?
he actually struggle with command of his fastball when he was up.
Haha that's actually true.
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He was claimed as a Rule 5 Draft pick
The Twins needed to keep him on the 25 man roster in 2000 or else he would have went back to the Astros, as per Rule 5 Draft rules. Basically in 2000, he was Oliver Perez with potential. He was always a starter though, He started most of his games in the minors.
Because of him being rushed as he was because of the Rule 5 rules, it took him longer to develop, IMO.
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Always a starter in the minors
Sorry, I wasn’t very clear in my original post. He started most of his games in the minors.
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Look up Johans number of innings in the minors
he was in the pen because he was a rule V draft pick, he also had way more minor league innings on his arm, as soon as they were able too they sent him back down.
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Is this a rhetorical question?...
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Now you're just trying to confuse me...
Aren't you?
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I mean who else do we use as our closer next year then?
Can’t be Parnell who is too hittable at times. And there is no one else. Closer by committee it is then?
KO-Rod will be our closer
No way we get out of the deal and even if we did, we are too stupid to take it.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Except
I thought his surgery was going to keep him out into part of next season.
Link?
I haven’t seen anything other than the rest of the season
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idk how reliable this is
http://news.lalate.com/2010/08/16/francisco-rodriguez-injury-update/
But this along with other sites have said it might take longer than just this season. He can’t be expected to be at 100% by next year anyway with an injury to his throwing thumb, espceially for a pitcher
Yeah, it looks like you made this website yourself
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
But, but, but
it’s a top-500 website in America!!!!!!
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Thats what my teddy tells me
i have no idea what this has to do with the above posts
but I rofled.
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Why not Parnell if you must have a "closer"?
He seems to have his stuff under control and is throwing gas.
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What is wrong with me?
I just realized that I am now watching the replay of the Mets-Marlins game.
Glutton for punishment
A common trait amongst us
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Doesn't eternal recurrence suck?
How’s that for a horrible prospect, especially being a Mets fan?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We do it all here at AA, you know it.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You Sir, win the internets.
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Good ol' Ashura
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes
I poop in my pants and it makes me feel like i just gave birth to another NY Met. But I leave it there because its so comfy and warm to my bottom
I'm tempted to rec this...
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You picked a helluva night to start sniffing glue
by James Kannengieser on Aug 27, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought this was the time to stop sniffing glue!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 27, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Along
The lines of our sellout stadium “Shitty” Field. Useless owners
Maybe
If Jose Reyes stopped hanging out at McFaddens before the game trying to hit on transvestites he wouldn’t get hurt as much. I think because he drinks too much he always swings at some turrible pitches and pops them all up. You know what, it’s probably Jerry’s fault because that is his pregame routine where he goes to make the lineup. Since its different every fricken day and he only plays batters who bat opposite against the pitchers throwing hand.
I say
Billy Beane as GM next year. Dennis Eckersley as our pitching coach because honestly, who would not want to pitch well for that moostache? (Yes i know, i spelt it wrong on purpose, thanks in advance to the Websters employees) Or maybe Dave Duncan if he wants to leave St. Louis. Ted Simmons as manager. And maybe Olerud as hitting coach. How bout that sack of nuts to chew on sucka?
Any one else notice
How the Marlins are now in 3rd place, 1.5 games ahead of the Mets. I am not a Marlins fan, but I don’t think they are still talking about making a run at the playoffs. In fact, I think they are starting a little youth movement. They let Cody Ross go to the Giants for nothing, Just so they can take a long look at Morrison. IMO, Cody Ross is good enough to start for the current Mets OF everyday. And no, I don’t think Ross is that good, I think we are that bad.
So while we waste time looking through our rose colored glasses, other organizations are taking the business of baseball seriously. Ironic, isn’t it.
true
of course, Omar and Jerry are clinging to the rim of the toilet bowl right now. The fact that Jerry is casting his lot with Ruben Tejada and Jeff Francoeur tells you how barren the team’s resources really are. Omar thought getting Beltran back eliminated the necessity for activity at the trade deadline. Way to read the tea leaves, Omar. The guy still looks like he is limping when he goes back on balls, and his one skill seems to be pulling grounders through the right side to the tune of a .220 average. Time of a couple of human sacrifices——to the God of Professional Management.
well the thing is
Morrison is a big time enough prospect that he could outproduce Ross reasonably. So they swapping them doesn’t really mean they won’t make a run. It’s a small sample size, only about 290 PA’s but he had a .401 wOBA in AAA.
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Morrison didn't replace Ross
Maybin did. Morrison replaced Chris Coghlan, who is on the DL. Sorry if my post confused you.
U think the point here is if your current players suck, you need to replace them, with someone who MAY be better. I would not say that it is a sure thing that either Morrison or Maybin will end up being better than Ross, but at least the Marlins are trying. All we seem to do is talk.
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah the problem is when we build depth
we build it down. like Luis Castillo is your 2nd basemen, so instead of bringing in Hudson, Johnson or Lopez to start over him. We bring in Alex Cora and Alex Cintron.
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And to add insult to injury
we always insist on over-paying them :-)
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...we brought up Feliciano--
isn’t he leadin AAA in batting or something. Didn’t KB say he could be a valuable addition next year? Didn’t Gary and Ron almost agree with him? Hey, why is my nose getting longer???
Not sure he was really given a chance
They called him up, and for the most part, park his butt on the bench. I will admit he looks like a typical AAAA guy, just like Carter.
Maybe we aren’t following the same plan as the Marlins because the farm system is barren. I mean really, if we can’t find anyone better than Castillo, Francoeur & Ollie, we are not even looking.
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just kidding on Feliciano
I think he is a chump. But that is what we have. More dumpster diving from the big O.
LOL
He gets lucky occasionally (Dickey). Even a blind pig will find an acorn every now and then.
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No feliciano wasn't close to leading
I think Hessman might have been up there, but neither were leading.
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He has a chance to go for the batting title now
Feliciano was just demoted to Buffalo again.
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm... If there was a game of pure depressing suckage
It looks like it was last night.
Consequences will never be the same.
..and people cheering Frenchy's catch
geh. sure it was a nice play, but I don’t WANT HIM ON THIS TEAM.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Ad a play that Pagan would have been able to make too
(and he probably would have had to lunge for it either).
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To get rid of Beltran
What about moving him to Seattle in a package along with Tejada for Figgins. Or Beltran and Fernando for Dustin Ackley. Yea Figgins gets paid a good amount but this year just looks like an off year and he should rebound back. He has no injury problems, he has great speed and is still a great fielder. I really think he would do well in the Mets lineup as well.
they'd laugh at Beltran and Fernando to Ackley
and Figgins wouldn’t be the worst pick up ever but I’d much rather just eat a year of Beltrans contract than getting stuck under another long bad one.
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Yea thats true.
Im saying some deal structured like that or around that package.
I don’t think Figgins would be that bad of a pickup. He would be our best option at 2b next year. He is better than anything we have, can hit tons better than Tejada and is a great fielder. He is getting paid $11m less than Beltran as well.
yeah
11 million less next year, but he’s on contract for that plus 2 years plus a vesting option.
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Yea
But Krod will be gone after next year so that clears up another $12mil, $9 of which would be devoted to Figgins then.
according to your plan K-rod wouldn't be gone after next year
and the problem is at Figgins age he’ll likely decline rapidly and turn into another Castllo, except more expensive.
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So to win next year I say our team looks like this
Reyes, Crawford-LF, Pagan-CF, Wright, Davis, Bay-RF, Figgins, Thole
Johan, Webb, Pelf, Niese, Vazquez
Feliciano, Tak, Guerrier, Downs, Parnell-SU, Balfour-CP, and one more. Then Krod comes back at some point.
there's no way they take on figgins
sign Vazquez and Webb AND Crawford if they still have K-rod on the books. i doubt they do it even if they clear the salary.
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Why not?
The payroll for this team should be around $160mil+. They need to start spending the money necessary to go the distance, not just get the team to a certain point and hope to win. They keep saying they have the money to spend but never do it.
Well if we get rid of Perez and Castillo’s money in some deal then that is off the books, albeit we would have to pay a good chunk of their money.
Vazquez and Webb should be less than $20m combined and Crawford would cost around what like $15+. So those 4 guys would add around $35mil to next years payroll, less some of Beltrans money. So we have $108mil tied up for next year. So that comes out to $143 and if they really want to win and go up to $160 that gives us another $17mil. Reyes will probably cost $10mil and then that gives us $7mil to spread around other places. If they actually spent the money to get this team the winning would pay for itself. The team would win manny more games and the fans would come to the games in droves and not be complaining about the pathetic nature of the Mets.
Who would ever be stupid enough to take Perez or Castillo???
No one is that stupid. And If I were to bet money, I would bet that the Mets payroll will be less than $160M. Plus Crawford is going to go to a contender, which the Mets are not.
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets Payroll For 2010 Was $136M
And it will go down next year, my guess is that the Mest will try to get it into the $120M to $125M range. Just a guess on my part, but there is no way they will spend any more than $135M.
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then thats just retarded on the owners part
The team will have no chance to win whatsoever. Might as well pack it in for next year and the following four years and wait until Johan’s contract is done so we finally have money to spend on another one player who will save the franchise and win every game by himself.
Ya, reality sucks
Wanting & wishing is not going to make it so.
The Mets have already said they won’t have the funds to pursue Cliff Lee, and reading the tea leaves, looks like they may not have the funds to pursue anyone. The Mets have a business model, and the model is to break even (or generate a slight profit). The number for 2010 was $136M, and since attendance is down by a large amount, that means payroll has to drop.
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cards
Could take Perez. We could ship Perez and some prospect to the cards for some prospect in return. We pay some of Ollies salary and there ya go. The Cards would love to have him. Dave Duncan would probably turn him into Randy Johnson.
And we could pay most or all of Castillos salary in return for getting any prospect from some team.
The Cards don't want Perez
There are like 200 better pitchers out there who are better and cheaper. They have no reason to take a risk on Perez. The Cards want to win, and they are in contention every year. They won’t take someone else mistake.
And no one will waste a roster spot on Castillo, even if we give him away.
And by the way, if you pay someone in a player deal, the amount you pay stays on your books as salary. So as an example, if you pay half of Beltran’s salary in a trade. the $9.25M would still count as Mets salary,
by George_Sloan on Aug 27, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Because they won't
you can say they need to start spending all you want. It’s irrelevant because they won’t. That’s pretty much the beginning and the end.
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Well then the Wilpons
need to give up and stop jerking this organization around. Its pathetic how they treat it like a business venture with no desire to win. Their just useless rich snobby bastards who dont give a damn. They should go buy the Dodgers from the McCourts where they would feel much more at home.
I don't care who the owner is
Owning and operation a professional sports franchise is always a business venture.
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