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Braves 9, Mets 3: Meaningful Golf In October

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I was actually excited for this game, mainly because FanGraphs told me that Pat Misch profiles as an above average pitcher going forward. League average FIP this year is 4.12 -- league average ERA is 4.08. Mark Buehrle, essentially. That excitement was quickly extinguished, as Misch allowed eight hits and five runs in his three innings of work, including a three-run home run to Jason Heyward. I get that he has great control, but he doesn't strike anyone out or induce groundballs at a significant rate. Projecting Misch to be an above average pitcher is like projecting me to be the next Joe Posnanski.

After Misch was shellacked, Elmer Dessens, Manny Acosta, Oliver Perez and Ryota Igarashi combined to allow four runs on six hits in five innings. It was Ollie's first appearance since August 1st, the longest layoff in MLB this season according to Adam Rubin. Ollie gave up a homer to Brian McCann on the second pitch he uncorked (an 88 mph fastball, one of the faster pitches he threw). I laughed, while lamenting that if he is on the team next season I will seriously consider not rooting for the Mets. At this point in the recap, I planned to screengrab a shot of the SNY text-poll, which asked: "Did the Mets treat Oliver Perez poorly?". However, MLB.TV is on the fritz and I can't access the game. Anyway, the results were 94% No, 6% Yes.  Apparently, 6% of SNY texters were either drunk, relatives of Ollie or simply having a laugh tonight.

Despite uncharacteristically drawing six walks, the Mets lineup couldn't get much going. Chris Carter went 1-for-2 with two walks, but grounded out with the bases loaded and two outs in the fifth inning, when the score was still 5-3. Josh Thole continued to shine, going 1-for-3 with a triple and a walk.

Jenrry Mejia dominated for Triple-A Buffalo tonight:

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His groundball to flyball ratio was 10:2. Awesome. Andy McCullough thinks Mejia might start Saturday vs. the Cubs at Wrigley Field. Or, more likely, he will become Jerry Manuel's new "eighth inning guy".

Some terrible/awesome Misch puns from the gamethread and comments below:

  • Misch-ion Impossible
  • The Braves figured out the Misch-tery of Pat
  • Pat’s causing Misch-ief
  • Ollie really Misch-ed the mark
  • That pun is so bad, it should be a Misch-demeanor
  • I'm sure there are numerous Misch-ellaneous words we could plug his name into
  • Roger Clemens keeps Misch-remembering
  • They don't have a court system in the A-Misch country
  • Speaking of hits and Misches, I notice Russ Adams’s OPS is over 800 for the Bisons, while Luis Hernandez’s is under 700
  • I Misch-ed the game, guess I didn't Misch much

Game two is tomorrow at 7:10. Jon Niese faces Mike Minor.

Poem by Howard Megdal

Heyward gets better of overmatched Misch
Want Mejia instead? You'll soon get your wish

Star-divide

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* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Talking Chop Gamethread

Win Probability Added

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Big winners: Josh Thole +19.6%, Luis Hernandez +15.8%
Big losers: Pat Misch -41.7% (as pitcher), David Wright -15.1%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Josh Thole +16.0%
Teh sux0rest play: Jason Heyward three-run homer -27.7%
Total pitcher WPA: -50.1%
Total batter WPA: +0.1%
GWRBI!: Jason Heyward

Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by KeithsMoustache; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Num Name # of Posts
1 KeithsMoustache 106
2 aparkermarshall 86
3 Gina 69
4 James Kannengieser 59
5 lstorie1971 58
6 jdon 56
7 Jsz 47
8 BrockRocks 38
9 Help!I'maRock! 31
10 Brian. 28

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Instead of the traditional full recap with WPA and all that

Just list the Misch puns from the game thread. Don’t Misch out.

Ryan Miller was the true MVP.
I really hate Jerry.

by Jsz on Aug 30, 2010 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

for Misch pun inspiration

you can get a lot of mileage from the Myth Adventures books by Robert Asprin and substituting where appropriate.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Aug 30, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

This just in:

“ATLANTA — Manager Jerry Manuel says the Mets have talked to Ike Davis about toning down his arguments with umpires. Davis says no such conversation took place.”

But of course!

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100830&content_id=14110968&notebook_id=14111754&vkey=notebook_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

So, does ANYone have any idea what role the Mets see for Misch next year? They must envision him as a starter, right? Just ‘cause for his career his ERA as a reliever is half what it is as a starter doesn’t mean anything—after all, he LOOKS like a starter.

Can’t Misch.

by Jack Str on Aug 30, 2010 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

To call him a reliever

Would be a Misch-nomer.

Ryan Miller was the true MVP.
I really hate Jerry.

by Jsz on Aug 30, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

Speaking of hits and Mischs, I notice Russ Adams’s OPS is over 800 for the Bisons, while Luis Hernandez’s is under 700.

Can someone tell me again why Hernandez got the call?

by Jack Str on Aug 30, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or why

Justin Turner is still in AAA while Tejada does nothing up here?

Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?

by Brian. on Aug 30, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

injured

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 30, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was in there tonight

He went 0-4 while playing shortstop. Which begs the question: Why was Luis Hernandez promoted over him?

Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?

by Brian. on Aug 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah thought he was on the DL down there

guess I was Mischtaken

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 30, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

cause we're really stupid

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 30, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if he's not Misch-placed in the rotation

The way the bullpen is Misch-managed, he’d surely be Misch-used.

Image credit to astromets

by hotspur on Aug 30, 2010 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

jerry actually did that

playing manager in a rotisserie league

by jdon on Aug 31, 2010 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

my thoughts.

Tonight we saw lefty v. Carter
and learned Pat Misch, not a starter
Ollie gave up a shot
and we all laughed a lot
though his contract shows we just can’t barter.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 30, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Howie was SO grumpy tonight

and did I hear Keith pull away from the mic and say “how do you take that? Jesus!” during David’s last at bat?

by Pack Bringley on Aug 30, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

he had a few of those during the game

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 30, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And on radio I'm strangely yearning for Wayne innings

He has the advantage — over all of us — of not being a Met fan.

by Pack Bringley on Aug 30, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lame Hagin

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on Aug 31, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Jennry should get one more start in AAA before coming up to start for the ML team.

Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?

by Brian. on Aug 30, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

wow I read this as Jerry at first

and agreed

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 30, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

fantastic

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Aug 30, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

Consequences will never be the same.

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 30, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahahaha

“A bundle of signings tattooed on his back,
Were all signed like a junkie who got financed for crack.”

Gold, Jerry! Gold!

by Jonathan. on Aug 30, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Job

Really expresses how I feel about it as a fan and is so sad its funny

by Sir Tmac on Aug 31, 2010 12:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow

“This is not the time.”
                  ————Jeff(ie) Wilpon

by jdon on Aug 31, 2010 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

Ryan Miller was the true MVP.
I really hate Jerry.

by Jsz on Aug 31, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The rest of my comment disappeared

Anywhoo….. it begs the question where do you get the free time, MTC??

Ryan Miller was the true MVP.
I really hate Jerry.

by Jsz on Aug 31, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

David Wright

0-5, 3 K, 6 LOB

METS

JETS

NETS / LAKERS

by AmarDude on Aug 30, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I've never seen anybody go so hot and cold so often

Very frustrating to watch.

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

"Who has more fun than people?"

- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on Aug 31, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Misch not the only villain

I only caught the first inning, after the leadoff single the next batter hit the ball on the ground, about 3 or 4 hops just right of 2B, but Castillo couldn’t get there (what a surprise). I think if Tejada was playing 2B, it would have been a double-play ball and they would have gotten out of the first inning without giving up a run. Then Beltran scooped it up and tried to get the runner at third (unsuccessfully), allowing the batter to get to second. So instead of 2 out and nobody on, 2nd and 3rd with nobody out. Misch is never going to get a Cy Young or anything, but crappy D doesn’t help, especially when you’re not a strikeout artist.

Of course, Wright, Davis and Frenchy combining for 8 K’s doesn’t help either. The only guy getting on base regularly seems to be Thole – which I guess explains why Jerry has him slotted to hit #7 in the order. In the immortal words of Eeyore – “Pathetic”.

by steve2z on Aug 30, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Thole get triple, Mets look to be in a great spot to get back into it

but the rest of the lineup could not bring him in with 0 outs from 3rd. horrible. Hernandez walked for 1st and 3rd, Beltran needs only a fly ball to make it 5-4

this is where we lose games, Thole seems to come thru in these ABs while the team doesn’t

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Aug 30, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL, Ollie

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 30, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Frenchy's one of my favorite Mets--even though sometimes swings and Misches--

how’d he do tonight?
Sorry I Misched it.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Aug 30, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm all for giving Mejia a couple of starts to get his feet wet and see how he does

but I just do not have faith that the Mets FO will handle this properly. If he does great, which you would think I as a Met fan would root for, they will force him into the rotation next year even though he will not have the innings build up required of a starter. Then, I will be forced to rely on the Mets “brain trust” [the same people who give millions to an investor without asking for evidence, cannot celebrate their own history without being begged by fans, etc] to figure out how to properly handle him. On the other hand he struggles and the Mets overreact and he falls out of favor. It sucks that I am forced to believe that an above informed fan has a better chance of running this team than the guys being paid millions. What a joke

by Bruce Wayne on Aug 31, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

In case anyone cares...

Hiroki Kuroda has a no-no in the 8th against the Phils. His catcher (and guy who hit a HR)? Rod motherfucking Barajas.

by MookieTheCat on Aug 31, 2010 12:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll take a lime rickey for a limerick

There is a pitcher -Pat Misch
Who looked to be finding his niche
But as October draws near
It’s becoming quite clear
They’ll have to time to golf, hunt and fish.

by JoeGoNets on Aug 31, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I say the Mets should sign Kuroda!

….
hahaha Ollie pitched, really? Leave it up the Braves to squash what hopes remain with this team…and use Ollie in a live batting-practice game…

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Aug 31, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

That brings up a limerick

The Mets should sign Hiroki Kuroda
And offer free whiskey with soda
And as for Pat Misch,
replace him with “Fish”
Give the ball to old Abe Vigoda

by JoeGoNets on Aug 31, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a Mischtery as to why Omar still has a job...

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 31, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

It's only August and the Mets have been dis-Misched from the playoffs,

and any hope of ever contending with the Misch-erable Wilpons running this Misch-guided team.

A Journey Through Failure: the Minaya Era Mets

by Mets Fan on Aug 31, 2010 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

This team needs a large makeover

Like I said before I think it makes sense to get rid of Reyes and Beltran. Wright is the only guy worth keeping. Depending on what we could get for them I think they could give us a nice package. Some team would definitely love to get their hands on Reyes and might offer us a nice package. (I have nothing against those two, like everyone says, i just think their time has come and gone and this team needs a big mental and physical change)
A crazy trade idea that I would like and think would really set this team up for the future would be to send something like Reyes, Beltran, Fernando Martinez to the Mariners for Ackley, Figgins and their top pitching prospect Michael Pinieda. If this were to ever work, which i’m not saying it would, might require a little more from the Mets side. And the Mariners would probably never do this since they would want to keep Ackley and Pinieda. But if they love Reyes and Beltran who they could put in the OF with Ichiro and use as a DH, then who knows. And maybe they are high on Fernando as well even though he hasn’t shown much.

I love Ackley who is a hitter and could be the answer for us in RF, Figgins would be a great option at 2b and leadoff for the next few years (even though everyone thinks he is paid too much and will be a Castillo repeat; I think hes much better than Luis) and Pinieda has the look of a mid to top line starter.
I would like our lineup to do well next year, as long as the pitching improved, going with Figgins, Pagan, Wright, Davis, Bay, Ackley, Thole, Tejada. That should be a productive run producing lineup, provided Davis improves and Bay returns to his norm and Ackley can hold his own. But I would like the youth movement and the new core of young guys led by the elders of Wright, Bay and Figgins. Also Figgins and Tejada would be a pretty formidable defensive duo up the middle.
Then we sign Webb and maybe add Mejia to the rotation with Dickey as our insurance. A little bullpen tooling and our future is looking up.

by TomCarvel on Aug 31, 2010 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Trading Reyes is beyond ridiculous.

How bout we upgrade the positions were actually not good at?

by Mike Clemente on Aug 31, 2010 3:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I gotta agree with this...

Before we add any more uncertainty in a position where we know, at the very, absolute least, we have a decent player, we should work on the many positions where we don’t even have that.

by MookieTheCat on Aug 31, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade F!, Reyes, Beltran

for Pinieda, Figgins and Ackley and you think the Mariners wouldn’t do it?
You’re undervaluing Beltran and Reyes so much

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Aug 31, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

eh

I’m not sure if the Mariners would do it. I’d say at this point Beltran has zero value. Even if he returns to a 3-4 WAR player he’ll be overpaid next year and teams won’t be able to offer him arbitraton. Unless a teams in a pennant race down the stretch and in desperate desperate need of an outfielder it just doesn’t make sense for anyone to give up real prospects to take him on. Similarly with Reyes, he’s actually having a good season but can no longer stay on the field consistently and only under team control. It would really make zero sense for the Mariners to give up their top two prospects for one year of an overpaid CF they can’t collect draft picks for and a short stop who can’t stay healthy.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 31, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beltran's Value

is probably less than zero with that contract.

by Russ on Aug 31, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless he returns to past form and then some...

He is squarely in the liability column of the batting balance sheet, at least if viewed in light of his paycheck.

by MookieTheCat on Aug 31, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It makes sense to get rid of Reyes and Beltran

No it doesn’t.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Aug 31, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad I misched this game

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Aug 31, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I've been misching every game for awhile now, just catching the "highlights"

heh. the problem is, what other players are GOOD, and “valuable” to other ballclubs? no one wanted Suckcouer, not even Dayton Moore!

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Aug 31, 2010 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I only had 47 comments

But 46 were Misch puns.

Ryan Miller was the true MVP.
I really hate Jerry.

by Jsz on Aug 31, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

GUYS I was the part of 6% that voted in Ollie's favor!!!!!!! He is my long distant cousin

………..LOL jking

I just wanted to see if I could make it 99.99% to .01% I wanted to be the .01% lolol

by HELLYEAHGARYOAK on Aug 31, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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