Hey, They Didn't Lose Applesauce - Bay not close to field, Met second base void, Torre
by Joe Budd on Aug 6, 2010 8:12 AM EDT
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My thanks to Eric for stepping up on short notice yesterday. In case you were worried, the puppies made it out alright and I am currently nursing them as I type.
Meet the Mets
No baseball last night means no depressing Met loss to moan and groan about this morning. In fact, let's try and be happy about our team today and here are ten things to think about to accomplish it.
Now that that's through, let's get down to the truly horrific state of affairs that is the Mets. For example, Jason Bay is not even close to returning from his concussion. Or, how about Fred Wilpon hinting that Omar won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
If that's not enough, all we really have to do is look at the black hole of talent that is second base made infinitely better by Alex Cora's contract.
So, before you go jumping off any bridge, I'll give you some of the happier/less horrible news. For one thing, we can always imagine what an Oliver Perez reality show would be like. Or hope that Fernando Martinez is still young enough to become something special.
And, before we finish with the Met news, here are two random stories worthy of your attention. First, Mike Francesa thinks that Joe Torre might be a candidate for the Met job. And, Pedro feels shafted by the Met front office after 2009.
Around MLB
Atlanta continues to be awesome, this time topping Tim Lincecum and the Giants. Meanwhile, the Phillies get a win courtesy of Bob Davidson.
Stephen Strasburg is reportedly healthy and ready to go.
Cartoon Ramon Castro looks strangely like real Ramon Castro.
Brandon Webb is attempting a comeback as a reliever.
And, finally, Joe Maddon is tired of playing in a gimmick.
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If the Oliver Perez reality show
is anything like this, count me in!
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
Fred is begging
for a ManU-style fan revolt.
WHO’S WITH MAH?!?!?!?
Two of us
That’ll get ’em!
Actually, I doubt Fred’s little “on-the-go” comments had anything to do with anything except avoid burdening his FO with a million questions about “the hot seat” etc. Unless he’s a total idiot (gulp), he’s going to have to do a bit of an “audit” this October.
Actually
“MisterMet” volunteered to lead a protest in a “FanShot.” Three of us!!!
by tmu on Aug 6, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
I’m in…I’ll grab a pitchfork.
The one and only mistermet on teh Interwebz!
by Steve Schreiber on Aug 6, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ME
i volunteered to drive up to Queens, with a service fee of gas only, and personally deliver a rage filled letter from us here and the rest of Met fandom to the Wilpons and the rest of management.
After that i’ll join the mob out front ready to brawl.
“You wanna dance Mantooth”
“I wanna polka.”
I hate Philadelphia so much.
So...
how many Prozac, Xanax, and white wine did Jason Fry down before writing that little top 10 list? I mean, I appreciate the sentiment, but I was waiting for him to start writing about painting happy little clouds.
by CCE718 on Aug 6, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Check out the difference between the Marlin and Phillie announcers
On this play. I’m with the Marlin announcers.
by James Kannengieser on Aug 6, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions
Hahah
“It almost looked like it hit something and then spun back”
I’m sure that’s how Gary would’ve explained it, too.
by DannyMetsGeek on Aug 6, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
completely unprofessional of the marlins announcers
I can’t stand that emotional garbage. Take that Gus Johnson shit and be gone – is my opinion
by Mike Clemente on Aug 6, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
umpiring this season is at an all time low. The worst calls in the history of baseball and just some really, really bad misses like this one.
by ScottfromPeekskill on Aug 6, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I would bet everything this is untrue
Umpires are held to a much higher standard now, given how every play is scrutinized.
by yellomellojello on Aug 6, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Weirdly, I think they've gotten a ton better at calling balls and strikes
But they mess up a lot of calls in the field than I remember. It seemed like it was the other way around in the 80s and 90s.
Pedro
says he knows exactly what Ollie and Pelf’s problems are?
Ha! If Pedro can fix Ollie, he could write his own ticket with a job for years to come in MLB….
by MetsFan4Decades on Aug 6, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
I know, too
They’re headcases who can’t pitch.
by tmu on Aug 6, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you?
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Braves/Tigers
Umpire apologized for that one, though.
by EastFallowfield on Aug 6, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Problem
It’s only funny if WE’RE the ones making fun of the Mets. When you do it, you come off as retarded. Away with you!
2010: Year of the Grission...Or Not!
In My World, There Is No Such Thing As Off-Topic!
Torre
If the Mets bring in Torre, I’ll flip. Torre is the most over-rated manager out there. He sucked in St. Louis, he sucks in LA, he sucked with the Mets. The only real “success” he has had is with the bottomless wallet team in the Bronx.
by SFloridaMetsFan on Aug 6, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
torre will quit
when he finds it impossible to take his naps on the bench because the scene in front of him is so horrific.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Aug 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
they hire Torre im done for the season
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Aug 6, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
just the season?
if they hire torre it wouldn’t be till the off-season I’d imagine.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
His success in the 70s was unparalleled
He was awesome
Mets hired legendary if washed-up former Yanks manager once, didn't exactly translate to W's.
At least Casey was entertaining, though.
you don't find torre's grumbling, frowny-face act entertaining?
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Aug 6, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry but true
He does the same shit as Jerry with bullpen management, its a scary thought. Plus he sucks without having the New York All-Stars AKA Yankees.
by SFloridaMetsFan on Aug 6, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of "Ball Four"
Where somebody insults a lady (to say the least) by calling her “Joe Torre with tits.”
by Pack Bringley on Aug 6, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness
Joe Torre has probably got tits of his own by now
by deadspy3 on Aug 6, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Brandon Webb
would you guys take a flyer on him this offseason? If he can come back and be even a fraction of what he was, he’d be a massive upgrade for the rotation. I was always a Webb fan, it sucks that he’s had to miss so much time.
2009 Did Not Happen
this is one of those questions I don't know how to answer
Everything depends on the cost (in dollars and years) and on his physical condition and whether a competent medical observer thinks he’s likely to re-injure himself. But in principle I really like the idea of getting him and Pelfrey together and having an extreme ground-ball ratio competition.
It said he wants to try and be a reliever
How much could it cost? I mean he’s missed a TON of time, 2 yrs @2-3 per should do it honestly. But I doubt the Mets do it, they seem to be gun shy after ’09
by SFloridaMetsFan on Aug 6, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
A reliever
This year ONLY to show teams he can pitch. He knows that most minor league teams seasons will be done when he comes back, so he knows if he wants to face live hitters he will have to do it out of AZ’s bullpen.
We're gonna get Bob Melvin...
I’ll take Torre.
isn't he pitching no faster than 80 right now
No way…he’s going to get hurt every season he plays like Sheets
by Mike Clemente on Aug 6, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
and I imagine, unless his arb number is outrageous
the D-backs might offer him arbitration.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I want a manager who does the small things well.
Give us a manager who knows how to use the bullpen correctly, doesnt let his vet players manage the game for him, can set up a batting order, doesnt bullshit when the fans already know the truth.
Discuss.
by ScottfromPeekskill on Aug 6, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
Gary Cohen.
Discuss.
And if anyone says “well Gary follows the baseball man philosophy,” consider the gag he has had on him due to professional responsibility.
so Bay not close to returning
…good thing we have an A+ back up to fill in
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
The guy who wrote
" Whether it be Omar Minaya or (hopefully) somebody else, the team cannot afford to punt an entire position this badly next season."
Why not? The team punted THREE entire positions this year: RF, 2B, and C. They may not punt catcher, but it won’t be for trying. There’s also no one in the background if Ike Davis goes through a sophomore slump. The rotation isn’t bad, but it’s incredibly thin. The Mets entire minor league system probably isn’t odds on to cough up one guy next season who will be ready to put up an ERA of 4.25 in 180 innings with the major league club.
And did I mention that given Minaya added no one at the deadline and what that bodes for adding payroll next year, that assuming payroll stays constant the team will have $8m for fourteen players? Eff me.
It’s going to be ugly.
I guess I chose a bad night to quit sniffing glue.
I thought I was the only one who had become aware of these figures, with all the “buy now” garbage. The Mets seem very bad at not understanding the primary effects of bad deals (Ollie). Worserer, they seem unaware of the secondary effects, such as those you point out. Woe to us.
You know what's really odd?
That they can’t figure out how close they are. They spent almost 130 million on payroll. A good starter and 2bman would have cost less than 10m more. I suppose it’s too much to expect that any ownership that can hallucinate that Jerry Manuel is a major league manager or that Jeff Francouer is a major league RFer will be able to figure out they had a good shot at the postseason. They really though 5m on Bengie Molina was a better expenditure than 7m on Joel Piniero, and that 5m on Francouer was money better spent than half that on Kelly Johnson. .
I think that’s my problem here. As bad as I know Minaya to be I still can’t get my mind around the plain fact that his acquisitions are almost completely random, and he knows no more about baseball than the typical fan in a corner bar. Hell, look at some of the politicians who have been elected to high office. Why would I think Omar Minaya knows more about the workings of the FA market than George Bush did about the workings of the Senate?
The skills it takes to reach a position often have nothing at all to do with the skills it takes to perform well while in that position.
I've just realized too, of course, that it wouldn't have taken 10m to shore up the roster.
It would have taken something on the order of 25m, because Minaya would have had to have started by pissing away 5m on his primary, dream acquisition, replacement level joke Bengie Molina, he still would have farted away 5m on Francouer, he probably would have gone after a “name” like Orlando Hudson, then he would have had to have gone after a real RFer once he discovered that Francouer really couldn’t hit . No doubt he would have picked up Marquis and so would have had to have paid off a second starter in someone’s salary dump in June.
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