Braves 4, Mets 1: The Duda And Co. Out Of Their Element Against Hanson
by James Kannengieser on Sep 1, 2010 9:53 PM EDT
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Welcome to Atlanta where the Braves play, and the Mets get got like er'day.
The Mets' offensive struggles continued -- two hits, two walks, one run. Lucas Duda went 0-for-3 with a strikeout in his mildly hyped debut. Two Braves batters individually out-hit the entire Mets lineup. Quoth Keith Hernandez: "It's a little depressing". On a positive note, David Wright hit a double and is no longer 0-for-Atlanta this season. Chris Carter stole his first MLB base.
Mike Pelfrey stumbled through five innings, throwing just 46 of his 83 pitches for strikes (55%). His season rate is 63%. He allowed nine hits and all four runs. Pedro Feliciano, Bobby Parnell and Hisanori Takahashi each tossed a scoreless inning.
Oh, and here is your Amazin' Avenue moment of zen:
In related news, Kevin Burkhardt sent the most texts tonight since the Kris Allen vs Adam Lambert final on American Idol. I'll stop talking about Francoeur when everyone else does. Hopefully it will die down, and people will no longer accuse us of disliking Francoeur, human being, as opposed to Francoeur, baseball player. To reiterate -- if you are/were a fan of Frenchy and are put off by any criticism directed his way because you like fun players with affable personalities, that's fine. You may enjoy going to the ballpark and rooting for guys like that, regardless of how good the team is. If so, terrific. To each his own. But don't go bitching and moaning about another fourth place finish, thanks in no small part to the Mets receiving the worst offensive right field production in the league.
The Metsies look to avoid the sweep Thursday night, featuring a battle of aces: Johan Santana vs Tim Hudson.
Poem by Howard Megdal
Hanson sings lullaby Mets cannot stop
While Braves greet Pelf with a batting MMMBop
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* Talking Chop Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big "winners": Chris Carter +2.3%, Pedro Feliciano +0.7%
Big losers: Mike Pelfrey -25.1% (as pitcher), Carlos Beltran -6.0%
Teh aw3s0mest play: Eric Hinske groundout +5.2%
Teh sux0rest play: Jason Heyward double -10.7%
Total pitcher WPA: -23.4%
Total batter WPA: -26.6%
GWRBI!: Martin Prado
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by KeithsMoustache; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
| Num | Name | # of Posts |
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| 1 | KeithsMoustache | 121 |
| 2 | MookieTheCat | 103 |
| 3 | Gina | 80 |
| 4 | aparkermarshall | 78 |
| 5 | jdon | 56 |
| 6 | lstorie1971 | 37 |
| 7 | James Kannengieser | 37 |
| 8 | Michkin | 35 |
| 9 | Kepler | 29 |
| 10 | NetsMets4Life | 28 |
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we got rid of failcore and got something in return that we can dfa whenever we want. i dont see whats not to like
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
we could have just DFAed Failcoeur and skipped the middle man
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
that would have worked too
i just dont see it as a bad thing either way
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
nah its kinda a lateral move of suckiness
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
dfaing the new guy?
meh, who is he blocking really? more tejada? castillo? i would like to see satin but rookies cant play in NY so…
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
apparently he's blocking duda
and us from somewhat tolerable .500 baseball
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
i dont see how?
not that i believe a word that comes from jerrys mouth, but he just said he was going to play duda for a week straight
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
89% of Mets fans are apparently morons
I mean, were they all oblivious to how much he sucked this year???
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?
they were just mad because they hadn't seen Arias yet
now that he’s played i’m sure they’re satisfied
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
dont they know
jerry is going to put him in CF soon (per espn i think) and then that bum can goto the bench
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
Well when our announcers drone on and on about how good he is for the team and the clubhouse
While barely broaching the topic of, ya know, his on-field performance, casual watchers are swayed.
by James Kannengieser on Sep 1, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
my feeling is
anyone who is still watching this team and sending in texts is not a casual fan
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
I dunno....
There are a lot of mansion/condo types out there. What I think most people didn’t get is that Francoeur was unradeable for anything of substance. It’s not like a team in a playoff run, which is pretty much the only option we had, was going to give something of quality for him.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 1, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who fails to realize how utterly awful
Jeff Francoeur has been, in light of a .393 OPS for an entire month, is either too dumb to follow this team, or just doesn’t watch enough games to realize how badly Frenchy sucks.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 1, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The scariest stat ever (courtesy Sam):
Since his impressive April, Francoeur has a .605 OPS. Rey Ordonez had 3 seasons as a Met in which he hit better than that.
If that doesn’t blow your mind, nothing will.
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
by StorkFan on Sep 1, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This blows my mind even more:
David wright BA vs NL top 10 pitchers:
WINS: .178
ERA: .136
K’s: .170
by Mike Clemente on Sep 2, 2010 12:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
someone needs to explain what it is you just posted
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
I'm pretty sure it's WRONGZ' BA
againt the 10 league leaders in wins, the 10 league leaders in ERA, and the 10 league leaders in Ks
basically, he sucks against good pitchers.
ah.
Of course, I’m sure most players would have bad averages against them…and of course, SSS.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
Prado has a .350+ in all 3 of those categories
So, no, not everyone does poorly against good pitchers
by Mike Clemente on Sep 2, 2010 3:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
david wright shouldn't be included in 'most players'
he should be an mvp candidate and one of the best players in the league
by Mike Clemente on Sep 2, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
also
not sure how the top 10 breaks down in terms of handedness, but Prado has better results against RHP this year and I know Wright has some pretty pronounced platoon splits.
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by VivaLosBravos on Sep 2, 2010 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions
obviously he is a winner
and wrongz is a lozer. TRAID DAVID WRONGZ
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
do you know how many AB this includes?
let’s not jump on the SSS bandwagon w/o knowing if it is or isnt SSS
by Mike Clemente on Sep 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
and ordonez actually was that good at defense a few seasons to justify being that bad offensively
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
better than Ryan Howard’s August
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by VivaLosBravos on Sep 2, 2010 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The dopey doofies (Fred and Jeff)
probably feared a fan backlash if they DFA’s the lovable goofball. That is how in touch they are.
Honestly, this thought crossed my mind too.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean
GKR, you da men, but your Francoeur defending was really weak. Thankfully it’ll probably be over.
by James Kannengieser on Sep 1, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
the topic stream is getting thinner and thinner…
They were talking college football tonight
I wouldn’t mind a weekly “Keith’s Picks” or whatever. Just let him talk football for two innings every Thursday/Friday/
by James Kannengieser on Sep 1, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's over, either.
If 89% of respondents actually thought the trade was bad, there’s enough interest from their viewers to keep beating this horse.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 1, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
There's still Manuel's demonic benching of Duda in favor of Arias.
Someone tell me Duda tweaked a knee. Please.
Doo=dah said after the game
that he cramped up. Blamed it on dehydration due to air travel.
I just don't understand it
GKR are really good at their jobs, but they become willfully ignorant when discussing Francoeur. They always have some defense for him & never acknowledge the fact that he’s a bad player. Not to mention a bit of a fraud. To me, they lose credibility when they do that.
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
This sums things up
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
the most important stat
Mets playing .000 ball since Francouer’s departure. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
They are 1-2...
Sounds pretty similar to when he was here.
Obviously, they are.
Even the booth didn’t mention the depth of Frenchy’s sucktitude.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 1, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
they did
but they then tried to say his defense and club house presence made it worth it and the real problem was we’re not getting offense from second base and cf and Bay was under performing and if not for those guys Frenchy could have stuck around.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I would say that Keith was honest about it
saying basically, look, you can’t have a rightfielder hitting .230.
Remember when you were eight years old, and a guy hit a bunch of homers
and drove in a lot of runs, and ran around and looked good doing it?
That works for around 89% of the people out there.
think about who actually does the text polls
my guess is preteens.
Would anyone here do it? rates always apply.
I can honestly say I have never ever done any kind of in game poll.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
my opinion of that poll is:
these “89%” who voted aren’t AA Mets’ fans, plus they MUST be Francouer’s friends and family—heh.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
That number shocked me
I only come to this site for opinions on Mets. I don’t listen to WFAN or go to any other blogs and since I live in California I don’t get to many games or meet met fans in streets. I had no idea that Francouer was so popular among most fans. I assumed that the opinion of him here was the prevailing opinion among most met fans.
See below for my take on the text poll.
I think also a lot of folks looked at Arias and said “WTF is this?” without realizing how tied our hands were to get rid of Frenchy, and that explains a lot of it
good point
Yes, I agree. I think a lot of fans were mistaken in the belief that Frenchy had some type of trade value and we could of gotten something for him.
win
Kevin Burkhardt sent the most texts tonight since the Kris Allen vs Adam Lambert final on American Idol
Consequences will never be the same.
Did I mention earlier than muscle relaxers are awesome?
Because they are. Hurt back, not feeling so hurt right now.
I'd comment but I'm too relaxed.
Oxycodone does not suck.
Note: these muscle relaxers....
Were legally prescribed to me by a real doctor with a real medical license.
definitely over
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh...
I thought maybe you were figuring games we would actually show up for….
by MookieTheCat on Sep 1, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
23 games
I was getting excited there for a second. JETS
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Sep 1, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
under!
duda appearances – 15
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
under on Duda.
Jerry, for whatever reason, will have him rot on the bench.
are we including pinch hitting?
if so over
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
that will be awesome. And yes anytime we have to look at that awful face on the field counts.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
jerry said he loves Duda
therefore he will play very little
Seriously, 89%?
Dumbest fan base in sports. What the hell have they been watching for the last 3 months.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but Jerry abuses the privilege.
Did you see Nyjer Morgan get clotheslined in the neck?
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 1, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome incarnate
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know.
I’m logging this game tonight. That clothesline is the only thing that makes up for this long ass game
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 1, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't believe one of the nats coaches starting taking shots at volstadt too
I mean morgan is clearly a douchebag, but aren’t the coaches supposed to try to prevent this sort of thing.
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What else have they got to do? They were down by like 10-12 runs.
…The scary part is that they came back to within 5 at one point.
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 2, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah it was a real pitchers duel
Volstad just got the more literal end of the duel
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 2, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
That brawl was intense.
I think Nyjer Morgan is seriously trying to make the entire world hate him.
he's doing a fine job of it
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If he gets released, I'd like to see us pick him up.
Douchebag or not (Douchebag), he’d be a nice late-inning defensive replacement- hes speedy, and has had a generally positive UZR over his career (though, it’s down this season).
Plus, he clearly has grission and all that stuff.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 2, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
When his uniform gets ripped, he'll walk back to the clubhouse, pound his chest and let loose a F#$K YEAH for the crowd!
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 2, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
On second thought, I don't want him.
But, that was an awesome brawl.
I figured that Johnny “Kun Fu” Cueto had the best brawl moment this season, but nope. That goes to Tony Plush.
I want the Mets to get into an awesome brawl like that, just so I have something awesome to watch when they are playing.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 2, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I haven't seen a player rush the mound like that in quite some time.
Nor get clotheslined in the neck. That was pretty sweet. It really did make watching that awful game much more enjoyable.
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 2, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
why is everyone dumping all over francoeur
its not like when the mets originally traded for him, anyone could have seen his terrible performance coming or predicted it would not have panned out well in the long run.
oh wait, they obviously could have. i guess that’s why everyone crapped all over him. it all makes sense now.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
I think the Mets brass would've dropped Frenchy long ago but they felt
obligated to him and wanted to show him some sort of respect by trying to move him to a team. In which they did only problem is this kind of back fires for Mets fans. If we kept him yea he would’ve played the rest of the yr but been off this team next yr. Now we have Arias who is terrible and not an ML player but will be on this team for yrs to come and by on this team I mean starting somewhere in the OF or IF. Hopefully we get a real manager who can see talent and not place talentless players on the 40 man roster
On a team that has no character, frenchy gave the mets character although his numbers were bad, he still gave everything he had day in and day out, not something you can say about many other players on the mets… Beltran is a waste, Reyes has riddle with injury and inconsistent at best…
Crucify me if you will, but the mets are a boring team, beltran is lethargic and i’m sick of seeing reyes hit pop up after pop up after pop up swinging for the fences as usual, and thats what makes him mediocre… i hope the mets turn the roster over and get rid of reyes, the only reason he wants to keep playing there is because he’s not worth 11 million anywhere else… he’s prayhing the mets pick up his option…
he's always hurt
Frenchy’s always healthy and still sucks. So I’m not sure I understand your point. You just only want players who suck if they’re not healthy?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
like seriously do you realize while you're complaining about reyes
a short stop, that frenchy a corner outfielder has been worse than him offensively…and it’s really not even remotely close?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
No. Just no.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 1, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody here disliked frenchy on a personal level, or denies that he was energetic
but what it boils down to is he couldn’t hit to save his life. He was a free out. Ultimately if you’re not performing on the field, it doesn’t matter how much fun they are off the field. I’ll grant you right now Beltran’s performance is troubling but to call him a waste is silly given how much he has contributed over the years to the team. I’ll even agree to your point that Reyes tends to get upper-cutty with his swing, and it hurts his value. He’s still one of the best hitting shortstops in baseball over the past few years, and almost any other team in baseball would give very good money for a SS of his caliber.
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
noted
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 2, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
this
its probably not his fault though, but reading crap like this:
I like Ike, I hate Jerry
he changed the clubhouse climate
and our team was worse than it’s been in years…I don’t get how writers keep forgetting that element.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I hate people who write about sports for a living.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 2, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He changed the clubhouse climate by Talking to all the writers and there informants
He spread the gossip that is why they liked him, easier to get stories done
This is what it boils down to
Frenchy loved to yuk it up with reporters, so naturally, when it came to writing about the clubhouse, they would write about him and how he’s so engaging and jocular. Combine that with his gritty reputation, and you get a sports writer’s wet dream.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Josh Byrnes/Chip Hale as Mets 2011 GM/Manager.
i'm confused
what makes beltran lethargic opposed to frenchy? is it because frenchy gets out FASTER?
his out efficiency was through the roof
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Typical
So you complain about the Mets lacking character, and cite Frenchy as a good character guy, even though he is bad at baseball. Then you turn around and criticize Jose Reyes, who is actually good at playing baseball – certainly much better than Francouer – even though he also shows energy, zip, and grission – or whatever intangible you’re looking for.
So, in essence:
Frenchy: Energetic. but bad at baseball = Guy that needs to stick around.
Reyes: Energetic, and good at baseball = Trade him!
Yeah, you’re not clueless at all.
by dcmetsfan on Sep 2, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
boring because they are losing
The mets are a boring team because they are losing. Francouer; regardless of whatever character he brought to the team, wasn’t helping us win. I’d rather see a winning team full of emotionless players then a sub-.500 team full of character
I don't think the fact that 89% of mets fans think that the trade was bad
means that mets fans are idiots. He was a popular player, gone after this year, and we traded him for someone similarly useless. Most peopel would rather just let him finish out the year here. It’s not like Bay is coming back, so there’s plenty of room for Duda or another prospect in left.
This website has a sick fascination with shitting on Francoeur; not every mets fan approaches the team like a wannabe GM, some people just get a kick out of going to the game and rooting for fun players. He’s a shit player, but he had personality and that makes him a fan favourite. Insulting everybody who likes him or who would have rather seen him finish out the season here in a lost season is just childish and immature imo.
that said, i’m glad they traded him for his own sake. i’d rather see him ride the pine on the playoff team than on the mets.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
eh I'd wager we don't shit any less on Frenchy than talking chop did when he was still a brave
I think it’s more like websites who have to see Frenchy play everyday for them have sick fascinations with shitting on him. They still shit on him occasionally at talking chop.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
You know what...
I think I figured out the answer to the Mets poll, other than “Mets fans are dumb.” Think about the state of the season and last night’s game. The Mets are dropping like a rock, out of contention after part of a season where they had hopes up, playing a team they will not beat, and it was one of the last late summer nights in NYC. In other words, not a night the average fan would be psyched to watch a game. So what was left? Hopeless optimists, people suffering from severe cognitive dissonance, kids who have not yet learned, and drunk people (as well as folks like us). Couple that with the type of people who respond to text polls, and there you have your answer.
Lighten up
Our “sick fascination” is an almost invariably humorous attack on a really bad player who at least 1 out of 3 of us admits a goofy sympathy for.
by Pack Bringley on Sep 1, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
oh please
“dumbest fanbase in sports”, “morons”, etc…i think that’s a little extreme over a text message poll. i’m ambivalent to the trade, not like it really makes a difference after all.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
I agree thats definitely hyperbole
as long as they call NASCAR a “sport” we won’t have the dumbest fan base in sports
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 1, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I never thought I'd say this, but
thank you for existing, NASCAR.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 1, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, its amazing what the Mets will make you thankful for
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 2, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
They did a Dick Trickle retrospective on NASCAR Now last night...
Note that in no way do I regularly watch NASCAR Now; I was merely waiting for WSOP replay to come on.
it's ok to stop in awe that theres a guy named dick trickle
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 2, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And that he's not from the south...
And that he made a huge success of himself.
"some people just get a kick out of going to the game and rooting for fun players"
I can totally respect that. Just don’t bitch and moan about the 4th place finish this year. Deal?
by James Kannengieser on Sep 1, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't root for a team in the hope
that they put some “fun” players on the field. I have this sick fascination with the concept of actually “winning,” and not having a team that even the most buffoonish baseball fan can laugh at.
Part of the 89% don't take into account what manager/GM we have.
If (font 90 big IF) we had another manager/GM, Francoeur would be used strictly as a platoon against LHP, and we don’t have anyone else who mashes LHP (who?). There would be a 101% chance he wouldn’t be offered arbitration.
In this trade, the Mets paid most of his remaining salary and got cat vomit in return. So, by September, Francoeur wouldn’t matter anymore since they can call up Dudes to face ML pitching. He would still be whining about not playing everyday, cutting or trading is the same.
in other news
Jerry said the rotations set for the rest of the year…are they seriously not going to give Gee a look? They could easily do it while giving Niese some rest so he doesn’t go way past whatever his inning limit is.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I figured Mejia would get swapped in place of Misch.
Good to see I was wrong. Though, Mejia being back in the bullpen isn’t a particularly happy thing, either.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 1, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
oh no he was swapped for misch
the set rotation according to Jerry was niese, pelfrey, santana, meija, dickey
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Eh, at least he's starting.
Not like it’s going to help his development much (Is he allowed to throw his breaking pitches, now, since he’s a starter?), but…It’s takes too much of an effort to care anymore.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 2, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Every time you think it can't, it only gets more and more ridiculous.
Niese is up to 155 innings on the year. Maybe by the end of the month we can get him to 200 despite the injury and blow out his elbow.
I have no prblem with Niese being at 150+ IP for the year.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 2, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
at this rate he'll get up to 170+ I believe
over a 50 inning increase from last year
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
With all due respect, Gina
at what point will you realize that you’re using wayyyy too much logic.
What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?
Don't you know Buffalo is in the middle of a playoff race
Gee is there ACE and needs him more than we need him. So what well pitch Niese’s arm off so he regresses next yr so what. Jerry’s not gonna be here next yr so like he said about him coming back next yr “I gotta win some games” Putting another Rookie starter in the rotation won’t help Jerry get that extension
Just from a Yankee fans perspective...
In terms of personality & good clubhouse presence, I compare Frenchy to Nick Swisher. Swisher is a fun loving, care free guy who bring a lot of levity and humor to the Yankee clubhouse. I know, as I’ve literally seen it up close. He’s a fan favorite, especially in right field and overall I’m glad he’s on the team.
However, clubhouse fun aside, I love him because he gets on base. He’s patient at the plate. And this year, he’s having a career year. I love Swish, but if he played like Frenchy did, no amount of clubhouse presence would do him any good in the Bronx.
LoL, I kinda expect someone to correct me with stats at this point.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Sep 2, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions
Frenchy is no way comparable to Swisher Sweet.
Swisher is in a class all by himself. Maybe Frenchy is like Damon in keeping the clubhouse loose, but not Swisher he’s an animal.
I wouldn't call it "correcting", since you at least acknowledge liking Swish because he's good at baseball
But here ya go:
Swisher career OPS: .829
Francoeur career OPS: .733
Swisher career WAR per 600 plate appearances: 2.92
Francoeur career WAR per 600 plate appearances: 1.29
by James Kannengieser on Sep 2, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
From 2005-2007 his WAR/600 is 2.90
From 2008-2010 it’s -0.21
by James Kannengieser on Sep 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is....
We don’t dislike guys who are a good clubhouse presence, we dislike guys who are bad baseball players regardless of effect on clubhouse? Interesting. I would not have thought of that.
Oh crap, David Lennon took over my account for a moment there.
Sorry about that.
how about looking far out into the future
I am actually excited about thinking of this potential Mets team. Say 3-4 years down the road this is what our team looks like. Lineup of Thole, Flores-SS, Wright, Davis, Duda-LF, Martinez-RF, Nieuwenheis-CF, Tejada-2B. That would actually be a filthy lineup especially a few years down the road when all those hitters are fully developed. Not sure if Flores can stay at SS but hopefully he has the athleticism that allows him to.
For this reason I would look to trade Reyes this offseason and get a nice package in return. If we could get a top pitching prospect and maybe a lower level catcher in return that would add nicely to our future. I think this would be a baseline return for him and we could probably get more. Then we could hopefully add that pitching prospect to our future rotation and be ready to take over Johan’s spot when he is gone. Otherwise in a few years our rotation would look something like Johan, Mejia, Pelf, Niese, Gee/top prospect from Reyes trade.
That would be a special team.
Why would we trade Reyes?
Good players on the mets are very hard to find. Why get rid of one of those few good pieces? Why not keep him……….and get better in other areas too
by Mike Clemente on Sep 2, 2010 3:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that proposed lineup depresses me
as of this moment—it is a whole lotta nothing
No way in hell Flores is playing short in the majors
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
With a little luck the Braves' OBP wlll exceed the Mets SLG by the end of the year.
I wonder if that’s every happened before.
this team needs to see a sports psychiatrist or something
to get rid of the “collapse” from their minds…and to visiualize a hit with RISP…
Swisher is far better than Frenchy, he can play, he understands the strike zone.
they should rest Pelfrey, or use a 6-man rotation to give Gee a look.
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