How much money will the Mets have to spend this off-season?
As I understand it, the Mets have Feliciano ($2.9mil), Maine ($3.3mil), Escobar ($1.25mil), Takahashi ($1mil), Sean Green ($975K) and Tatis ($850K) as their expiring contracts of players they probably won't / can't get back. Could get Feliciano back, Takahashi too, though I don't want him as a starter. Further, Santana is set to make $1.5mil more in 2011 than in 2010, Wright +$4mil, Reyes' option is for $11mil, a $2mil raise, and Irigashi is set to make $500K more next year than this year. But the biggest is Bay, who made $6.5mil in 2010 but is slated for $16mil in 2011. Bay's raise may be muted somewhat as I'm not sure how the signing bonus ($8.5mil) gets allocated.
They also have Pelfrey, Pagan and Dickey eligible for arbitration and substantial raises (percentage-wise) from $500K, $1.45mil and $600K respectively. Pelfrey is a Boros client.
The big x-factor is K-Rod and whether they can release him from his contract, with its $17.5mil vesting option for 2012. Fortunately, if they are not able to release him legally, he'll need to finish 55 games next year for the option to vest automatically, meaning they'll only be on the hook for the $3.5mil buyout. (Any questions on whether Omar should come back?)
With K-Rod back and no salaries dumped (Ollie, Castillo), the Mets' payroll will be $7.225mil more in 2011 than in 2010, before Pagan / Dickey raises. Potentially could save a few bucks by replacing Reyes' option year with an extension - say 3 years, $27mil? My guess is that, even if they release K-Rod outright, they'll still only be about even - but most likely already have a higher payroll. And they'll have no closer.
So is it reasonable to think the Mets will have any money to spend this off-season? I think the off-season will be spent scouring the bargain basements for more RA Dickeys and seeing if they can get anyone to take Beltran, Ollie, Castillo or Bay (I think they should go there) off their hands.
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Escobar
I think we should go above and beyond to re-sign this guy. This was a great move conducted after months and months of research and hard work. This was a move that champions make.
It was a good move; it just didn't work out.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 14, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 14, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a bad move, but only because the Mets needed to surround their stars
with adequate players, not rolls of the dice. I think I was in the minority, but I would have used the money spent on Maine and Escobar and Igarashi on a starter. If I had picked up Marquis with that money it would have looked pretty stupid. Piniero, on the other hand, for similar money would have turned out fairly well.
It’s easy, too, in hindsight to say that picking up Bay was a bad idea, but a lot of people here thought it was a weak contract, and given the weird uncertainty surrounding Bay’s UZR the contract was also something of a roll of the dice. That money could have put a healthy floor under LF and 2B, for example.
But, once again the Mets needed very good years from all their best players in order to contend, so moot’s the word
Nobody knows how much the Mets have to spend
Baseball does not have a salary cap. The Mets, despite all of their woes, may be turning a healthy profit as a result of being one of only two MLB teams in the nations largest market. Cable TV revenue makes the Wilpons smile.
My guess is that not a dime will be spent until a new GM is in place.
Sorry!
Don’t mean to be depressing – but a dose of realism perhaps. In my mind, the Mets seem to have veered back into a “develop our own” bent. With Castillo ($6mil), Perez ($12mil), Beltran ($18.5mil), and possibly K-Rod ($11.5mil) all coming off the payroll, we should be able to re-sign Wright and Reyes, pay the kids that have earned a raise and still have money to fill in 1-2 spots where necessary. That, I believe, is how you build a championship team – develop your own, scour the scrap heap for the Dickeys and Pagans and add 1-2 free agent purchases. I don’t think there is any way Omar should be back as GM and I think the Mets should explore every possible avenue to dump K-Rod. I also think they should see if they can trade Bay for a starter like Lackey or Zito. Both those guys’ remaining contracts are very similar to Bay’s.
I think we can get 6 hr and 47 rbi from other sources for next year, but especially with Santana’s injury, we’ll need an arm.
For the OF, assuming Beltran is back and reasonably healthy, I’d go Pagan, Beltran and Endy Chavez from RF to LF. Chavez would hold the place warm for Fernando, Captain Kirk, Duda or whoever shows they can help.
Might have to give up a b-level prospect to encourage the Giants or Sox to trade their pitcher – though both teams have pitching and need hitting. Boston may believe Bay will revive in Fenway (I would). And with Beckett, Lackey, Buchholz, Dice-K, Wakefield and prospects Kelly, and Doubront, they may feel they have enough pitching. Lackey’s 3.0 WAR this year may disguise some poor peripheral numbers, but I’d be willing to be going to the NL and a pitcher’s park will help. In any case, he’s a lot better than Bay’s 1.3 WAR!
Zito is less desireable, a 2.2 WAR and it’s been 5 years since he was much better, but all the more reason the Giants may be OK with swapping him for offense. With Lincecum, Caine, Sanchez and Bumbgarner, they too may feel they have enough pitching. Zito has a full no-trade clause, so we may have to pick up his option to make it work.
Oops!
The Sox have Lester, not Lackey, if they trade Lackey!
Forgot
about Francoeur and Cora’s $6.85mil combined. How quickly they fade from memory!
Green is arb eligible, but presumably the Mets have seen enough and won’t offer. I hope.
Barajas at about 1 mill, Blanco at around 850k, Coste was still paid 650k
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Sep 13, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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Honestly, with Santana now out for pretty much 2011, I think the Mets aren’t going to contend next year, and probably aren’t going to spend either. I think we are looking at exclusively low cost internal options, maybe a rotation of Pelfrey, Dickey, Niese, Gee, Mejia, and a lineup of guys like Reyes, Pagan, Wright, Davis, Bay, Beltran, Thole, Turner, with guys like Murphy, Martinez, Evans, Tejada, Duda on the bench and guys like Havens, Nieuwenhuis and Ratliff seeing significant time before season’s end.
Once we head into 2012, with Beltran, K-Rod, Castillo, and Perez off the books, I think there will be plenty of money to spend, and by then plenty of valuable trading chips as far as guys who have already proven something in MLB. And it might be clearer then which guys you really want to keep, which guys you might sell high on, and which spots can be most upgraded with one or two more established stars.
I also think, if you bring in someone from outside the organization to evaluate and change the way things are done here, they aren’t going to want to move too quickly making decisions about talent here with players they haven’t had a chance to get familiar with. Even a really good talent guy isn’t going to make the best decisions if he’s coming in from outside and tries to overhaul a roster in his first offseason.
So first overhaul the front office and coaching staff for 2011. And there will be bigger moves to make in 2012.
Makes a lot of sense. The only part I disagree with is how quickly a new guy can move.
If the Mets are going to replace Minaya it would be remarkably stupid of them to fart around until February or so. If they’re going to dump him, now is obviously the time, and given how advanced metrics are a new GM should get up to speed in very short order with regard to players’ performance. Remember, we’re talking about someone who’s doubtless very familiar with the NL, and the Mets problems at the major league level aren’t difficult to figure.
These are the Wilpons, so they’ll find a way to fuck it up, but if I was hiring a GM even as late as October 4th 2010, he’d better be ready to make the right moves in a couple of weeks. There’s just no way hiring a GM should involve punting the following season. Huge corporations far more complex than a baseball team change CEOs, CFOs, and COOs all the time, and no one lets those guys take a year to get up to speed.
I’m sure you’re right that the Mets won’t contend next year unless they get in both a sound GM and are willing to kick the payroll up to at least $150 million. It doesn’t look like either is likely.
Not only does he need time to make moves
there’s the fact we’re not going to be the only team looking for a gm, and I imagine we’re not the most desirable location. It makes so much more sense to get rid of Minaya now and start the candidate search while we’re just competing with Arizona before more teams start dropping gms.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
This
If the mets really are throwing in the towel for next year, then they will fire neither Omar or Jerry. There is no need. Save the money that paying them and their successors would make and wait until the 2011 offseason.
? how is there no need
it would make more sense to get a totally new regime in as soon as possible to start fixing the mess. Waiting a year just puts the franchise behind another year. What does punting next year have to do with who the gm and manager are? The gm is going to be responsible for multiple things other than simply next years record.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I had a long reply
But it got erased.
Short answer new GM wouldn’t be allowed to trade for anyone (money) and would only be able to trade players we would want to keep.
Who's to say they won't find cheap deals
or ways to move Bay/Castillo/Perez? Plenty of gms have managed to unload bad contracts. or who’s to say some prospect prospect swap won’t come up that would be to our advantage? There’s 421421421 different possible moves a new/smarter gm could make that won’t get done as long as we’ve got a lame duck gm with no power in control. You don’t have to take on money to complete trades.
Not to mention who’s to say a cheap player doesn’t get nontendered because of one bad season. If a Josh Byrnes type had been in charge last year instead of Omar we might have gotten Kelly Johnson for this year and next instead of Alex Cora.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
They don't have to fire Jerry
His contract is up after this season
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 16, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He should be fired nonetheless.
He’s done too terrible a job to be allowed to simply walk away.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 16, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They should re-sign to a one-day contract
just so he can be fired.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
re-sign him*
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Fired out of a cannon, that is.
May you be locked in a battle of wits against Jerry Manuel.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 17, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilpon has to tip the cleaning staff... Right?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Josh Byrnes/Chip Hale as Mets 2011 GM/Manager.
I lobby we involve ourselves in a ponzi scheme, lose millions, but yet somehow still make a profit.
That’ll fix our finances.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 14, 2010 1:56 AM EDT reply actions
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Step 1: Invest
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
Save Jenrry Mejia!
In lobby for Josh Byrnes/Chip Hale as Mets 2011 GM/Manager.
In the case of the above, Step 2 is very apt.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 14, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the underpants gnomes were managerial geniuses
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
I have no clue what you are talking about,
but that seems to be the type of strategy that this team uses on most matters.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 15, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, oh, oh, now I remember.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
no! Sean Green is the ultimate 8th inning guy...in mop up games
but seriously, this is going to be same crappy team for next year, maybe adding a Javy Vazquez or Yu Darvish…maybe. or a 3rd catcher in Brad Ausmus.
I wouldn’t be at all shocked if Omar and Moronuel are in place beginning 2011. after all, ninny owners need nincompoops under them so they can look less idiotic.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
a lot more than me
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by Rickfansince76 on Sep 14, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
thinking Reyes is going to accept 3/27 is delusional...
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Sep 15, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
where is he going to get a better offer?
given his production this year, the recent injuries and the general poor economy?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
are you serious?
3 for 27??? his option year is for $11M. He’s not going to agree to a deal now that pays him less than that! and not without giving himself the opportunity to play out the year and try to get back to his 08 form. In no case are his reps going to accept anything less than 5 yrs… esp if the opt yr is included…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Sep 15, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So...3/27 is accepting 2/16 for 2012 and 2013.
If I were Reyes there’s no way I would take 3/27 for 2011-2013. I’d have to think that if the Mets were renewing my option I’d do a lot better than 2/16 starting in 2012, and if they’re not, I’d take a one year deal somewhere (for something like 1/10) and, like Beltre, look to jack up my value. What’s Beltre going to get—3/35? 4/48?
Depends who you ask
I’m sure Reyes thinks he’s worth much more than $9mil per. My point is, offer him something that helps the Mets get through their bad contracts in 2011, perhaps allows them the ability to go get another bullpen arm or bench help this year and gives Reyes financial security beyond this year. Jose has 4 seasons out of 8 with less than 140 games played while in his 20s. I’d start at 3 for 27, maybe go as high as 5 for $45 or $50mil, or get creative with incentives and vesting options based on games played.
by Boz_Paladin on Sep 16, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The Mets can raise their 2011 payroll if they choose
We don’t know what their internal finances are, so I wouldn’t assume that they are not willing to bump up the payroll in 2011 knowing that it will drop in 2012.
R.A. Dickey for Governor!
That's true.
On the other hand the Wilpons can be really stingy when they feel like it. Even if the team’s revenues plus Wilpon’s other properties/assets allow us to jack up the payroll there is no indication that they actually will. Of course, there is no indication that they won’t either, but it just seems more likely that Omar/New GM won’t have much more to play with then they did this year
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 16, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
that's fine, but
it’s about what Reyes’ expectations for this contract are. The question is whether or not JR is going to hold the Mets over a barrel… whether he thinks he’s worth $13M or $14M per season (likely) and will the Mets “pay whatever it takes” to keep him a Met…
Conversely, will they be lambasted for acting like a mid-market team if they don’t re-sign him or trade him…?
Point is not to lose him for only draft picks. He has to be valued like any other FA… if he’s asking for something unreasonable then they should explore options.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Sep 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions

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