Ruben Tejada and Rose-Colored Glasses
After a surprising yet short mini-battle on twitter the other day, I decided it was time to revisit my analysis on the second base position. No, this won't be about Justin Turner - this will instead be a look at Ruben Tejada with my rose-colored glasses on. Happy, OGTedBerg and FireJerryManuel? I'm giving it a shot.
The crux of the argument is that Tejada is so young. We've followed this folly down the road with Fernando Martinez very recently, though - youth can only get you so far. At some point you have to produce.
In any case, I ran a play index query through Baseball-Reference.com to find out how many second baseman had debuted at 20 or 21 and accrued 100+ plate appearances since 1960. Those are some random cutoffs, I admit, but I was aiming to get 'modern era' debuts of 'significant' proportions, and the list that was returned was an interesting one. Take a gander.
| Rk | Player | PA | Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | IBB | SO | HBP | SB | CS | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Roberto Alomar | 611 | 1988 | 20 | SDP | NL | 143 | 545 | 84 | 145 | 24 | 6 | 9 | 41 | 47 | 5 | 83 | 3 | 24 | 6 | .266 | .328 | .382 | .709 |
| 2 | Delino DeShields | 572 | 1990 | 21 | MON | NL | 129 | 499 | 69 | 144 | 28 | 6 | 4 | 45 | 66 | 3 | 96 | 4 | 42 | 22 | .289 | .375 | .393 | .768 |
| 3 | Rod Carew | 561 | 1967 | 21 | MIN | AL | 137 | 514 | 66 | 150 | 22 | 7 | 8 | 51 | 37 | 4 | 91 | 2 | 5 | 9 | .292 | .341 | .409 | .750 |
| 4 | Paul Molitor | 556 | 1978 | 21 | MIL | AL | 125 | 521 | 73 | 142 | 26 | 4 | 6 | 45 | 19 | 2 | 54 | 4 | 30 | 12 | .273 | .301 | .372 | .673 |
| 5 | Hal Lanier | 401 | 1964 | 21 | SFG | NL | 98 | 383 | 40 | 105 | 16 | 3 | 2 | 28 | 5 | 0 | 44 | 0 | 2 | 1 | .274 | .283 | .347 | .630 |
| 6 | Dalton Jones | 401 | 1964 | 20 | BOS | AL | 118 | 374 | 37 | 86 | 16 | 4 | 6 | 39 | 22 | 2 | 38 | 1 | 6 | 3 | .230 | .274 | .342 | .616 |
| 7 | Mark Lewis | 336 | 1991 | 21 | CLE | AL | 84 | 314 | 29 | 83 | 15 | 1 | 0 | 30 | 15 | 0 | 45 | 0 | 2 | 2 | .264 | .293 | .318 | .612 |
| 8 | Danny Ainge | 331 | 1979 | 20 | TOR | AL | 87 | 308 | 26 | 73 | 7 | 1 | 2 | 19 | 12 | 1 | 58 | 2 | 1 | 0 | .237 | .269 | .286 | .554 |
| 9 | Roberto Mejia | 248 | 1993 | 21 | COL | NL | 65 | 229 | 31 | 53 | 14 | 5 | 5 | 20 | 13 | 1 | 63 | 1 | 4 | 1 | .231 | .275 | .402 | .676 |
| 10 | Ruben Tejada | 206 | 2010 | 20 | NYM | NL | 63 | 175 | 25 | 36 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 13 | 16 | 3 | 32 | 7 | 2 | 2 | .206 | .294 | .269 | .562 |
| 11 | Asdrubal Cabrera | 186 | 2007 | 21 | CLE | AL | 45 | 159 | 30 | 45 | 9 | 2 | 3 | 22 | 17 | 0 | 29 | 2 | 0 | 0 | .283 | .354 | .421 | .775 |
| 12 | Luis Castillo | 180 | 1996 | 20 | FLA | NL | 41 | 164 | 26 | 43 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 8 | 14 | 0 | 46 | 0 | 17 | 4 | .262 | .320 | .305 | .625 |
| 13 | Glenn Hubbard | 179 | 1978 | 20 | ATL | NL | 44 | 163 | 15 | 42 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 13 | 10 | 1 | 20 | 2 | 2 | 1 | .258 | .309 | .319 | .628 |
| 14 | Ruben Gotay | 166 | 2004 | 21 | KCR | AL | 44 | 152 | 17 | 41 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 16 | 9 | 0 | 36 | 2 | 0 | 1 | .270 | .315 | .375 | .690 |
| 15 | Rennie Stennett | 165 | 1971 | 20 | PIT | NL | 50 | 153 | 24 | 54 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 15 | 7 | 0 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 1 | .353 | .377 | .458 | .834 |
| 16 | Cesar Izturis | 140 | 2001 | 21 | TOR | AL | 46 | 134 | 19 | 36 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 9 | 2 | 0 | 15 | 0 | 8 | 1 | .269 | .279 | .388 | .667 |
| 17 | Steve Sax | 127 | 1981 | 21 | LAD | NL | 31 | 119 | 15 | 33 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 9 | 7 | 1 | 14 | 0 | 5 | 7 | .277 | .317 | .345 | .662 |
| 18 | Wally Backman | 110 | 1980 | 20 | NYM | NL | 27 | 93 | 12 | 30 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 9 | 11 | 1 | 14 | 1 | 2 | 3 | .323 | .396 | .355 | .751 |
Hey, would you look at that, Wally Backman makes the list. Maybe he can tutor the young second baseman from the dugout next year.
Funny stuff aside, I don't think the anyone would argue that Tejada will be the next Roberto Alomar, Rod Carew or Paul Molitor, so let's sort of let the top half of the list simmer. Those stats seem out of reach for Ruben, but they were already if you considered their respective minor league statistics. Even with Ruben Tejada's recent hot streak, it looks like Asdrubal Cabrera's modest debut is out of reach for this year as well, but it is interesting to see the similarities with his debut and Tejada's - they have similar walk and strikeout rates at the very least, and the faithcasted future for Tejada might contain a similar skillset for Tejada. Let's at least acknowledge the possibility that Tejada could get close to Cabrera even though he never put up a minor league season as nice as Cabrera's 2007 (.310/.380/.448 across Double-A Akron in the Eastern League and Triple-A Buffalo).
No, instead there is a name that jumps off the list here - a name that should be interesting to Mets fans. Look at old man Luis Castillo and you'll see a guy well equipped to help Tejada make the jump that he made as a young man. Castillo had a similar debut, but once again, his best minor league season before his debut (.317/.411/.393 in Double-A Portland in the Eastern League) looks better than Tejada's best. He was 20, in Double-A, and walking 13.3% of the time. Tejada was 19 in Double-A and walking 6.7%, or 20 in Triple-A and walking 5.7% of the time. Lastly, it took Castillo himself three or four years to be the real Luis Castillo, so there are plenty of reasons to think that Tejada does not equal Castillo.
To date, perhaps the best comp on the list is Mark Lewis. Lewis was 20 across Double-A and Triple-A, walked 5.7% of the time, and debuted with a slightly worse walk-to-strikeout ratio (1:3, where Tejada's is more 1:2.5), and then settled in around one walk to two strikeouts for the rest of his career (which looks like Tejada's minor league K/BB ratio). He had a .133 ISO in the minor leagues, Tejada a .080. Lewis peaked at 27 in San Francisco, with a .267/.318/.431 line that looks reachable for Tejada if you subtract some of the slugging percentage (which then makes the line a lot less exciting, as Lewis' best full-season line was only good for a 96 OPS+ by itself).
This year's small sample aside, the age of his debut doesn't mean much in the context of this list - even old Glenn Hubbard went to the cupboard and walked more at the same age and level in the minor leagues, debuted in the major leagues at the same age to similar results, and then put up a career .244/.328/.349 line (85 OPS+) that wouldn't have anyone reaching for the champagne. Tejada was worth a second look, but it just doesn't look that rosy for him, any way you slice it. Cheap backup middle infielder that makes the roster? Sure. Not sure there's more tricks up his sleeve though.
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Was the argument about whether he'd improve to a starting worthy player
or whether he should be giving a legitimate shot at making the roster for next year?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I certainly think Tejada needs another season in the minors, but I have faith that he can become a decent major leaguer
The fact that he’s walking in about 9% of his PA’s is very encouraging, and he almost has to improve on his .238 BABIP. I think some more time at Buffalo would be very beneficial for him, but I think with a league avergae BABIP and that BB rate he could be a solid player.
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Sep 16, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah but the question is based on how skill set how much do we actually expect his BABIP
to regress? Hitters don’t just automatically regress to league average. And when you’re barely strong enough to get the ball past the pitcher and not fast enough to routinely have infield hits and beat out grounders, I mean obviously he can but he’s not going to do it to the same extent Reyes or a young Castillo could, exactly where do we expect it to regress to?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
These things are true
But I have some hope that both his speed and his power can improve since he is so young. Granted there is a strong argument that MLB level is not the place for that to happen. Still, I’m pretty high on Tejada as the future bench MI.
How does one improve on speed?
He’s 20 years old, he’s not going to get any faster, only slower. He can become a smarter base runner, but he’s never going to be a 25-30 steal guy in the majors.
Speed peaks at about 24-25 years old generally.
It should be very close to peaked, but it shouldn’t be peaked yet
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Sep 16, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but guys who have elite speed
show it well before they peak. he may get faster than he is now but it’s highly unlikely a player who didn’t show elite speed in the minors is going to gain it at 24-25.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
there's lots of ways to improve speed
and if you include quickness in the speed category, there are even more ways to improve.
by Mike Clemente on Sep 16, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah there's ways to improve
but he’s not going to turn himself in Pagan or Reyes. And I’d imagine he’s been working on those ways since becoming a professional baseball player.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I think speed is kind of a red herring....
If he can work on his eye and directed contact, he has a good shot at being a sort of Castillo in his prime (where he was pretty good). If not, then speed won’t help anyone, except perhaps on defense.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 16, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, a good shot except for the part that there's nothing in his record to date to
indicate that. :)
His MLEs haven’t cracked the golden 575 OPS barrier. Come to think of it neither has his ML. I think there’s a wee bit of wishcasting in this thread.
I think this pretty much says it all.
Tejada’s upside is future bench MI. His upside is Alex Cora.
It may not become league average
But he has a solid LD% this year of 22.4, which makes his xBABIP .344.
His minor league BABIP is closer to .320, which shows me that he’s making improvement on his ability to hit line drives even at the highest level.
by TheBigStapler on Sep 16, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
true but not all line drives are created equal
and soft liners, which seem to be what many of his line drives are, aren’t going to get you to your xBABIP.
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by KeithsMoustache on Sep 16, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't agree that he's hitting what we think of when we think of "line drives",
but it’s certainly what one would point to to try to make the case for him. His LD% has in fact gone up significantly every year he’s been in pro ball.
I know how to fix Tejada in like ten minutes.
Give him a little Situational training, and he’s good to go.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
How about Danny Ainge on the list?!?!
Did better than MJ in baseball anyway…
Hey, a Gotay sighting!
He’s probably the best 2b they’ve had since Alfonzo. Either him or Valentin, sadly.
Depressingly
Ainge is the only guy on the list that Ruben has a better OPS than.
Yeah, I noticed that, too
But Ruben’s slugging is still lower than Danny’s. Depressing. They have to give Turner a really fair chance this spring. If they do, he’ll win the job. At worst, platoon him and Murph (if Murph can handle it).
eh I think we can put any hopes of Turner getting any kind of shot to bed
considering he hit for the fucking cycle in his last AAA game and they still didn’t bring him up because of superior options like Luis Hernandez and Arias (seriously?). He’ll probably be lucky to make it out of spring training without getting dfa’d, more than likely I’m expecting we’ll lose him on waivers.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
that would be really shortsighted
they need to keep all avenues open for the 2b job, especially since the free agent class of 2b is a poo poo platter. Even Satin should be strongly considered.
really short sighted
like dfaing arguably your 3rd or 4th best starting option before the season started?…or your third string 2nd basemen when your first and second string are two gimpy old guys, one who was coming off knee surgery (we miss you Gotay)
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
True. He has whatever disease Nelson Figueroa had
that kept the Mets from seeing that they had a ballplayer that was better than some of the guys on the 25 man roster.
Three words:
The Irish Hammer. Mr. Daniel Murphy could well be our starting 2b next season if he has a lights out ST and can stay healthy.
Yeah I said “three words”, I didn’t say they were good words.
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by scott from peekskill on Sep 16, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
I think that the key to 2B in 2011
is not to rule anyone out, but not to rule anyone in. The Mets have many options, but none are great. if one of those options, like Murphy, works out, then so be it. If the best person available is Joe Swanson, then he should start.

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by feslenraster on Sep 16, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tejada is 20 years old and weighs about 140 pounds
At this point in his development he should be in the Eastern League learning pitch recognition, how to make adjustments at the plate and maturing physically. It really doesn’t do either the Team or the player any good to bring them up until they are ready to play at this level. Two years from now Ruben’s soft line drives will have more bang in them and as long as he doesn’t think of himself as a home run hitter he will easily hit enough to stay up here for good.
Are we sure he'll add more weight
And strength he has a Pretty small frame
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
by Gina on Sep 16, 2010 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't be positive
but almost every man increases his strength well above what it was at 20 and for a pro athlete that should be the first order of business. If not he was never going to be the answer anyway.
but I mean by how much
I’d assume he’s been working out and training the last 3 years he’s in our system, exactly how much strength could be expected to be added?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
is this a serious question?
how much more strength can a 20 year old add?
uhh, a lot.
so should we be expecting him to come back up hitting bombs?
My point is even compared to most of his 20 year old minor league counter parts he’s fairly weak, if he’s already behind them are we actually expecting him to suddenly add enough strength to become a viable every day starting option?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Bombs? No
I’m talking the type of strength that will prevent a defender from making a play on a ball when he hits it well. Sharply hit line drives and ground balls through the infield. 100 singles, 25 extra base hits, 75 walks in 500 AB’s combined with an excellent D at either 2B or SS as a 22 year old making the minimum. And getting better every year. Yeah I’d take it. and I think it’s very possible with Tejada. At least he’s one guy who came up here without a long swing. Is anyone down in the minors trying to develop these kids anyway?
you could take that
but would it be good enough for the team to go anywhere? Or better than multiple other options? Why take that when you can get better on the fa market cheaply or even from other internal options?
Which is kind of the entire point, you don’t want production you can live with you want the best possible.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I don't think you can get more production cheaply on the FA market
In fact I can’t remember the last free agent we signed that didn’t get hurt, didn’t under preform and that we couldn’t wait to get rid of or we had to live with or all four of these things. 2B is the ultimate young players position and we have quite a few possibilities and I’m in favor of letting all the internal options sort themselves out. I have no opinion on Turner or Valdespin? I don’t believe Murphy has the quick feet for the position but who knows. Even though I feel strongly that Tejada should have been left to develop his craft and mature physically for at least 2 more years I really like his short swing (that’s what allows him to check his swing rather than walking back to the dugout 150 times a year) his range and his instincts and it shouldn’t be up to the middle infielders to make up for a lack of home runs by more traditional sources. Tejada with the ability to drive the ball (but not trying to hit HR’s) would look a lot like Willie Randolph and yeah, that would be just fine with me especially with the payroll flexibility he would provide which would allow us to get a REAL difference maker like the next time a Cliff Lee type makes it to free agency.
This would be a hair better than Alex Cora's 2009,
something around 250/340/340. Why would you want that on the major league team? That’s part of the recipe for not contending. It’s the same kind of thing Minaya put us through this year. A 21 or 22 year old with that kind of line should be spending an additional year or two in the minors to see if he can turn into a solid ML regular while the team avoids adding time to his service clock.
numbers similar to Ainge, can he hit a 3 pointer too?
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Ainge would have been at least 6' 180 lbs at the same age
and I doubt if there were many line drives, soft or otherwise coming off his bat.
wow Carew struckout a lot the 1st season
and only a .341 OBP. I only saw him late in his career and he made great contact
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
And he had grission...
Or at least his wife did—it’s debated whether he did as well.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 16, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said before...
Ruben Tejada is another AHern…
he can hold down the fort defensively, but his offense? Starting him everyday would be like wanting another Death Wish sequel.
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I think Ruben has decent knowledge of the strike zone
And I think his walk rate will improve. Considering how young he was at all those minor league stops (damn you, Tony Bernazard), I don’t think you can look at his walk rate and define him as anything yet.
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true enough
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by feslenraster on Sep 16, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Who ever it was that decided to bring Tejada and Meija up here at 20
should pay for that decision alone with their job.
If the Mets (don't laugh) succesfully built a dynasty
and Tejada was on such a team and reached his potential, I think that he would be a utility infielder and not a starter.
A Murphy tryout at 2B
sounds better all the time. Tejada certainly does not look ready and perhaps even when “ready” it will be for a IF utility role.
Valentine or Backman should be able to make that call.
Hammer time
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