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Joe Torre Leaving Dodgers At Year's End

Shocking news out of Babylon today, as it was announced that sleepy-eyed manager Joe Torre will step down after the season with bench coach and not-quite-Keith-Hernandez Don Mattingly in line to take over. Just when I thought there wasn't a worse candidate than Wally Backman to manage the 2011 Mets, Joe Torre hits the open market.

Poll
Who should manage the 2011 Mets?
Jerry Manuel
25 votes
Joe Torre
163 votes
Bobby Valentine
305 votes
Wally Backman
70 votes
Someone else
94 votes
A computer making all in-game decisions based on a win-expectancy matrix
219 votes

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No.

Not in a million f***ing years no. And I’m the guy who would not go nuclear if we got Backman.

by MookieTheCat on Sep 17, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that ENIAC?

Looks a little too modern but…

by MookieTheCat on Sep 17, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah what is that thing?

I hadn’t noticed it, but once you mentioned it I lol’d.

Maybe they use it to play Pole Position?

by MookieTheCat on Sep 17, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Old school computer mouse?

That was my guess.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 17, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually know what it is...

What I wrote above was a joke. Computers were designed in the 40s to measure trajectories of bombs. The wheel was meant to replicate the design of the wheels used on warships and by the artillery to raise or lower the angle of their guns. That wheel was meant to replicate the firing angle of such guns.

by MookieTheCat on Sep 17, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good driving.

You are now qualified for the race.

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Sep 18, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who voted Jerry?

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on Sep 17, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

If we are to dive into black magic,

We might as well bring Anton LaVey back from the dead.

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by R_Adragna on Sep 17, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for "Someone else"

Not because I have someone else in mind, but because the other human options are either not feasible (Bobby-V), or laughable (everyone else).

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Sep 17, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn it

There was an easy Nick Evans joke in there.

-100 internetz for me.

If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Sep 17, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, me too

plus I think he’ll hold players accountable.

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- Ed Charles, No. 5

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- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on Sep 18, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

vote for wally

I’ve seen more than a few posts and scribes saying the Mets play with no heart, no fire. I feel like that would be something Wally could help with. He’d also be in a position where he’d likely have to accept a “1 strike and you’re out” type of contract.

by Boz_Paladin on Sep 17, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

This isn't football

Baseball players can’t play that much harder than they already on a regular basis. They field the ball, and they hit the ball. Getting more effort wouldn’t result in anything. We need more talent, period.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Sep 17, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball is psychological

Baseball players don’t go into slumps because of a lack of effort or talent. The environment in which they play can effect this, and the manager helps to create that environment.

by Russ on Sep 17, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

I don’t think a manager has any control over how a lineup performs on a given night. His job is just to put the best players on the field and not let the clubhouse get out of control. But I don’t think environment has anything to do with it. Managers have failed being angry, over the top, like Lou Piniella the last few years, and managers have failed being quite and reserved, like Willie. Talent is really what it boils down to.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Sep 17, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yessir

Players may go into psychological slumps, but I don’t believe it has anything to do with “environment” a manager creates.

by EricAColucci on Sep 17, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again disagree....

While it may not be based on an overall “environment” as created by a manager, suggestions and prods by a manager are very important. Why was Torborg bad? Because there was an environment where BS and losing were implicitly ok. Same thing with Jerry. When I read that HoJo took the players to task for playing cards before games I was shocked. This was a team in a slump and they were focused on card games. I bet on the team plane everyone is listening to iPods. When I started in my first law firm, I was told that I was not allowed to listen to an iPod in my office. I thought “what kind of BS is this.” But later I got the point. My football coach used to yell at us on the team bus that we were not allowed to talk about anything but the upcoming game, and to get in the right mode for that. A system that does not emphasize conditions necessary to win will cause losses. It’s that simple. Same thing in a system where a guy is going through a psychological slump and there is no one who can help him out of it. Managing a team—like managing a business—involves far more than deciding who to play. It involves creating conditions where those who are playing can maximize their abilities. Otherwise a computer could really do the manager’s job.

by MookieTheCat on Sep 17, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree completely.

Guys can mail it in just like in football, and perhaps even worse because a fly ball can turn into a double if a guy isn’t focused. While I agree that guys can’t play that much harder, the key is maintaining focus. It seems like in the late innings this year’s club is already thinking about where they want to go for dinner rather than the game. Wally would not allow that.

by MookieTheCat on Sep 17, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think a guy will loaf it on a play, unless he's a douche like Gary Sheffield.

And in any case, it’s much, much rarer in baseball than in football, and even at that, a lot of it can be subjective.

As for focus….again, I think it’ boils down to talent. The Mets lineup has been terrible all season, and bad lineups don’t make comebacks often. Whereas, a lineup like the Phillies is far more talented and thus can do it more often.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Sep 17, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but I think it's safe to say

most of these guys are playing to their talent level, these guys just suck.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Sep 17, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot catch the ball

You’ll never manage the Durham Bulls that way.

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Sep 17, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I put catching a ball in the same category as fielding.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Sep 17, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fail on my part

You hit ball, you catch the ball, you throw the ball.

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Sep 17, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

*hit the ball

I guess that’s two more things for me to atone for tonight…

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Sep 17, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for Wally as well.

I watched him mold the players that became The White Sox World Series team up close at AA Birmingham. The man can flat out manage baseball teams.

Work is the scourge of the drinking classes.-Oscar Wilde

by Dash Williams on Sep 19, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously....

Post more on this. I like Wally and a major criticism of him on here is that no one has seen him deal with folks above A ball. What did he do in AA that translated into good major leaguers?

by MookieTheCat on Sep 19, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He handled his young arms and batters very well.

From what I remember he was Mike Scioscia-esque when it came to strategy, and his players would run through a wall for him.

Work is the scourge of the drinking classes.-Oscar Wilde

by Dash Williams on Sep 20, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having Flashbacks to the Dallas Green years...

It’s not pretty

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by Mark D on Sep 17, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

oh DEAR LORD

thanks for rekindling those years…GAG.

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Sep 17, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dallas Green???

How about flashbacks to the Joe Torre years?

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Sep 18, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i voted bobby

cause that man is magical

also..i couldnt pick other. Other is unknown and i dont trust the ’pons to choose a suitable canidate. If OTHER wins im convinced we will wind up with Howard Johnson

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Sep 17, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

If HoJo becomes our manager,

I’m leading a “Machete”-esque revolucione

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2010 Mets- Hey, we may suck, but what did you expect?

by Syler on Sep 17, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

HACK ISNT A CHOICE!!!!!

It’s a lifestyle!!!!!!!

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Sep 17, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've said it many times

Alex Cora

"I bet you'd lobby her, you horny 15 year old!" -Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan

by metsguy234 on Sep 17, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Barajas

What's the score, boys?
What did Bugs Bunny do?
What's with the Carrot League baseball today?

by StorkFan on Sep 17, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted "Someone else"

I have no interest in Manuel returning and am shocked to see 4 votes for him as of now. Has to be someone’s idea of humor, or his family members.

I don’t want either Valentine or Torre for many separate reasons but the one common reason is I simply have a personal preference for not recycling former-Met managers.

Regarding Backman I’m just not sold. I think either more MiLB managing at a higher level or some MLB coaching staff job might be a good idea.

The computer sounds appealing but I’m just getting over my fear of math thanks to all of your help but I’m just not ready to take such a big step.

by GDHebner on Sep 17, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

heres why you dont vote computer

it will get pissed off at the underperforming roster, become self aware, become aware of the futility of human ball players, and then become SKYNET!

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED !!!!!

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Sep 17, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm only ok with Torre

if it’s just the top 3/5 of his head…as in the picture.

"..."

by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Sep 17, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF is it with the Dodgers hiring all these ex-Yankee guys?

Isn’t Orel Hersheiser available or someone who was a Dodger?

by The Frito Pundito on Sep 17, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

A lot of Dodger fans

want Tim Wallach to manage, but now Mattingly’s got the job, he might leave the organization.

Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?

by Brian. on Sep 17, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

whos voting for manuel?

be honest here. i chose valentine for nostalgic reasons

I like Ike, I hate Jerry

by astromets on Sep 17, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you guys all too young to actually remember Valentine?

I think going backwards is seldom a good thing, but if you absolutely have to have an ex-Mets’ manager as the next Mets’ manager, why not the best living ex-Mets’ manager — Davey Johnson?

Admittedly, I have very little memory of some of those guys who lasted less than two seasons, but Valentine is the worst of the ones I do remember. Art Howe was better.

Joe Torre is a great manager when he has great players, a good manager when he has good players, and a bad manager when he has bad players. I’d prefer to shoot a little higher than that.

by Curtis3331 on Sep 18, 2010 1:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Umm Bobby Valentine was the mets manager from mid 1996-2002.

I think you need some math classes, Curtis3331.

Art Howe was a terrible manager and no chance he was better than Valentine (yes I do remember his time as Mets manager) and Torre is terrible manager whether he has great, good or bad players. It doesn’t matter if you’re team is good or bad—bad bullpen management is still bad bullpen management. Just ask Ramiro Mendoza or Scott Proctor.

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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 18, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Art howe was better than Bobby V?

………………………..

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Sep 18, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

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