Mets and Second Base: F$#* Polls.
Between Luis Castillo's bad performance and yearn to start, as well as the injury and potential surgery to top MI prospect Reese Havens, It seems pretty clear to me that the Mets are (and should) be very active on the free agent market for second basemen. The budget allows for very little flexibility, with the absence of John Maine, Jeff Francoeur, Rod Barajas, Alex Cora, Pedro Feliciano and Fernando Tatis being replaced by pay raises to David Wright, Jose Reyes, Johan Santana and Jason Bay. Presumably Angel Pagan as well. With this in mind, the Mets will likely look to dump current second baseman Castillo somewhere before making any transactions for his replacement.
Finding a team to take on Luis Castillo and at least some of his contract (because that's all the organization is really worried about...) will be no easy task. This is the common knowledge for both Mets fans as well as the rest of baseball. Castillo isn't very good. On the other hand, Castillo really isn't as bad relative to his position as one might think he is. The following players make up this year's free agent class at second base:
Willie Bloomquist (33)
Mark Ellis (34) - $6MM club option with a $500K buyout
Bill Hall (31) - $9.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Orlando Hudson (33)
Omar Infante (29) - $2.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Akinori Iwamura (32)
Adam Kennedy (35) - $2MM club option
Felipe Lopez (31)
Julio Lugo (35)
Jose Lopez (26)
Kaz Matsui (35)
Aaron Miles (34)
Nick Punto (33) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Juan Uribe (31)
Outside of Mark Ellis, Juan Uribe and Orlando Hudson, we see a whole pile of nothing. The only credible players outside of those two are Omar Infante and Adam Kennedy, both with extremely affordable team options. The rest are replacement level, or incredibly volatile, such as Felipe Lopez or Jose Lopez.
Castillo is actually a more attractive option then most of the market. If the Mets offer to take on half his contract he can be had essentially for free on a 1-year $3 million deal to any team that takes him. He walks a lot, strikes out very little, and most importantly showed defensive value in 2010 according to both UZR and Total Zone, which put him right in the middle of the pack in second basemen. Teams like to know what they're buying, and in this case they have that in Luis Castillo. The Padres, Twins, A's, Tigers, Royals, Rockies and Cardinals are all rather weak at second base, so they may take flyers.
With Castillo leaving, the Mets do not necessarily HAVE to turn to the free agent market to replace him. The newly-acquired Justin Turner, who is by no means automatically a AAAA player, has had success all throughout the minors with the bat, and will be 26 at the start of next year. He has had no success in his 40 MLB at-bats, but if he can even SOMEWHAT replicate his minor league offensive numbers, he is a weapon. Ruben Tejada can play a pretty good defensive second base, but his bat is very questionable. Daniel Murphy has been the general cry amongst Mets fans for a while, and he was trying out the position before acquiring a season ending injury. At the end of 2009 Murphy began to rap pretty well, and also showed some pretty good athleticism at first, however his long time without playing and lack of experience arouses skepticism.
No internal option is ESPECIALLY attractive, but a Murphy/Tejada platoon or giving Tuner the position is a possibility.
The Mets options on the trade market are pretty exhausted... With the D'Backs and Reds building up for 2011 playoff pushes, Brandon Phillips and Kelly Johnson are practically untouchable.
This leaves the Big 3 in the free agency: Mark Ellis, Juan Uribe, and Orlando Hudson.
Mark Ellis has been a career long Athletic, starting pretty much his entire career due to his superior defense. His bat comes and goes, but his incredible talent for the position keeps him valuable. He will be 34 in 2011. His defense would be a solid addition to the Mets team, as most of the pitchers on the Mets' staff do not have high strikeout numbers. However; his lack of hitting value doesn't help the Mets offense, which has been one of the worst in baseball. By no means is he a bad signing. If he can be had on a 1 year deal worth $4-5 million, it's worth looking into at the very least. His presence could definitely up the value of Pelfrey and Dickey.
Juan Uribe was once a top prospect in the Rockies organization. He's an athletic free-swinger who hits for power and is more than competent at just about any infield positions. His all-or-nothing approach at the plate is his downfall. He often pops out or hits weak ground balls, and walks minimally. He struggled at the White Sox starting shortstop, and was picked up by the San Francisco Giants on a 2-year deal. Since then, Uribe's value has gotten significantly higher. 2009 was the best offensive season he's had since his rookie season, and in 2010 he had a career-high walk rate and hit 20 homers. Uribe has shown defensive prowess at second base, third base, as well as shortstop, and his pop would be welcome in the Mets lineup, if Citifield doesn't take it away, that is. At his best, Uribe can be an MLB regular at 2B, 3B or SS. At worst, he is a useful bench player. Getting Uribe on a 2-year deal would be a good risk/reward move by the Mets.
Orlando Hudson is the most popular option amongst Mets fans it seems. He has signed reasonable contracts throughout his career, he can play second base very well defensively, and he isn't a slouch with the bat either. Hudson has signed a pair of 1-year deals through 2009 and 2010, and getting him on one would certainly be a good add for the Mets to bolster their second base position, which has never really gotten any value outside of Jose Valentin's fantastic surprise 2006, since Edgardo Alfonzo manned the position. Hudson's offensive value doesn't include hitting for power, so Citifield most likely won't diminish it, and the move back to the National League should up his offensive numbers a bit.
All three free agent second basemen would be pluses for the Mets, who need any upgrade they can get with the absence of Johan Santana.
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Jose Lopez is interesting since he's young and has some power
but I’d assume he’s not good defensively since he’s playing 3B now. If they’re going the free agent route, then Hudson is the obvious choice on a 1 year deal but I think I’d rather see them go young and just give Tejada and Turner and even Murphy a shot there. This team isn’t going anywhere next year anyway without Santana, so what’s the point of wasting a year of development of these guys? Maybe have Tejada go back to Buffalo for to start everyday and then split time (not platoon but split time) between Turner and Murphy.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 18, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
The Mets
have a chance without Santana… Obviously a 4 WAR pitcher is tough to replace but a lineup with Thole over Barajas, Hudson over Castillo, and Beltran over Francoeur has a decent start. It will also help if Bay returns even slightly to normal and Beltran and Reyes having full spring trainings. It’s also possible that the Mets go out and trade for a pitcher such as James Shields or sign someone like Javy Vazquez or Hiroki Kuroda to provide value in place of Santana. Perhaps a backender such as Zach Duke or Dave Bush as well.
by METSMETSMETS on Sep 18, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I shouldn't say they have no chance
but with so much already tied up in payroll for 2011, I don’t see how they’re going to be able to do enough to make themselves a legit contender. Even if Beltran, Bay, Reyes and Wright turn into their healthy 2006-2008 selves, there’s basically no room to bring in another starter making any sort of money (I don’t see how they could afford a Javy Vazquez or Kuroda and I’d assume Duke and Bush are going to be making more money in arbitration). I don’t see them getting any players or salary relief in return for Perez or Castillo (sorry, if they couldn’t deal them last offseason with Castillo coming off of a decent, injury free season, how are they going to do it this year when they basically both took giant shits on the field).
And then on top of that, what about the mess that is the bullpen? I’m assuming Frankie Rodriguez isn’t here next season. This means that somebody has to fill the void of bullpen ace. A contending team cannot have Bobby Parnell as its top option out of the bullpen (and I can’t call Takahashi a top option either…he’s been good, but these are basically no pressure situations he’s pitching in).
The way I see it, they certainly have pieces of a good team. They have for a while now. It all depends on how the new GM can surround them and how creative they can get, because ultimately they will have to be really creative in order to be able to make this team a contender.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 18, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said the Diamondbacks are building for a 2011 playoff push?
Last time I checked, having the 4th worst record in the majors is not a team that is ready to push for the playoffs.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/09/olney-on-johnson-la-russa-dbacks-mets.html
by METSMETSMETS on Sep 19, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
it says they intend to bring back kelly johnson
it says nothing about them making a playoff push.
Gas prices today are a lot like a pitcher's ERA. Anything under 3 is amazing, under 4 is pretty good and anything 5 and up is something you want to avoid.
by Bobby Baseball on Sep 19, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
what difference does it make
the point is they’re not moving him. And that being said with the pieces they have they could very easily make a play-off push next year. I’d say their in a better position than us.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 18, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No way the Rockies or Twins are in on Castillo
Rockies have Eric Young Jr. and the Twins have Alexi Casilla both of whom are ready to be full-time MLB’ers. The Tigers likely won’t be in on him either as they have Scott Sizemore, Danny Worth, and Daniel Fields in the system.
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I wouldn't be so quick to call either of them full-time MLB'ers
Casilla sports a career-high OBP of .333 and a career WAR of -0.1, and it’s not even worse only because he plays solid defense.
Young has even less pop than Castillo. He hit for a .266/.335/.312 line this year, and has played subpar defense to boot.
Scott Sizemore couldn’t manage to get his OBP nor SLG into .300 during his time in the bigs. Nor could he play adequate defense. The Tigers could benefit from having Castillo around at the very least as a stopgap.
by METSMETSMETS on Sep 19, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
But why block 2B (even for a year) with a 0.0 - 1.0 WAR player in Castillo?
If they aren’t going to give 2B to those young guys, wouldn’t they would just look for reliable competency without fragile knees and zero range?
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no way on the Rockies
I’d say they have at least 3 options currently on the 40-man better than Castillo.
ain't had enough...
The twins made it very obvious they have no intentions of bringing
back Hudson for more than one year, and he would likely be cheaper than Castillo. Unless we’re paying all of Castillo’s salary there’s pretty much no way they’d be interested.
And Castillo’s obp is worse than tha at this point isnt he? Why pay 6 million for a player who’s not part of your future and barely an upgrade over someone you do consider part of your future? Why even pay 2 million for that?
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Didn't the mets get
Castillo from the twins for nothing when he was a better player making less money then he is now?
We got him for Drew Butera.
So yes, you’re right.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 20, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Since it's probably true that the Wilpons won't be adding any payroll, options are slim to non
I’d like Uribe (since it’s highly unlikely Ellis leaves Oakland) but assuming we’d have to pay half of Castillo’s salary (~$3M.), signing Uribe to a deal worth about $3M. – $4M. seems unlikely. In any case I’d like to see Turner with the big club (possible splitting time with Murphy if he shows he’s ready/capable).
I have voiced my preference towards acquiring Cuddyer or Wigginton in the past, and while still not opposed to the idea, Cuddyer seems out of range price-wise($7M.-$9M. per), and although reasonably priced at ~$3M. per, I wouldn’t be comfortable penciling in Wigginton for more than 20 starts at 2B (absolute tops).
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While it's tempting to amuse ourselves
I do feel as though to engage in too much of this kind of thing is to once again be suckered by the Wilpons. Remember that horseshit they fed us in the offseason, where little Jeffy was yelping that we should be patient, because starters were usually easier and cheaper to acquire IN-season? Then, even when the Mets were hovering around first place halfway through the season there was no effort at all to improve the team.
There’s nothing wrong with entertaining ourselves and there are a lot of good ideas in this thread, but whom are we kidding?
Please, dear boy,
surely as a Mets fan you know the difference by now between apathy and stark realism.
Indeed I do...
Sadly I do. I was speaking of my reaction to your post, for I feel the dark veil of apathy covering me.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 20, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
he meant for the 2013 deadline
you just misunderstood what he was saying.
i get you Jeffy.
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Wouldn't we all?
Uggla, his defense sucks, but really, it’s not worse than anyone we’re trotting out there.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 19, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
AAA
Who are the top AAA prospects at the position? Any of them belong to a contender we can make a trade with, now or at the trade deadline?
How did Colorado just get Dotel, then?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 20, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, teams can trade whenever they want
but the Rockies can’t use Dotel in the playoffs if they get there this year.
Right, I know that, but...
How is the trade deadline August 31st, though? That’s the cut off for playoff line-up construction?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 20, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever it is,
it will soon become his day job.
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 21, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The following lineup would at least put up a lot more runs in 2011
Reyes
Pagan
Beltran
Wright
Davis
Bay
Turner/Murphy
Thole
And off the bench there’s either Turner or Murph, plus Evans to play some OF, first base, etc., plus maybe Carter or Duda or whatever. It’s at least a little something to look forward to.

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