Marlins 5, Mets 2: The Dessens Of Man
by Eric Simon on Sep 21, 2010 10:38 PM EDT
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The Mets may have lost a game tonight to the Marlins, but the franchise gained a moral victory when Joe Torre apologized for comments he made on Monday regarding his interest in managing the Mets in 2011. Today he apologized to Jerry Manuel -- through the LA media, that is -- and indicated that he won't likely be managing the Mets -- or anyone -- next season. Whew. With that crisis averted, let's get back to business.
At this point in the season wins and losses are vacuous concepts. The SNY crew spent some time debating whether or not the Mets -- or Mets fans, for that matter -- care one way or another whether the team finishes in third place or fourth in the NL East. The their current opponent is the very team they're "fighting" with for third place is but an ancillary detail. I assume at least some of the Mets players would prefer to finish ahead of the Marlins than behind them, but it's not a compelling narrative for me. In fact, it could well be in the best interest of the franchise if the team lost out the rest of its games this season and secures the next Mets general manager a premium draft pick next June. That doesn't mean I'm rooting for losses -- I can't honestly root for the Mets to play poorly -- let's just say that climbing the ladder of ineptitude towards a better tomorrow is at least a decent consolation prize.
Beyond wins and losses, I'm just looking for good individual performances and positive contributions from players who should be doing the same for the Mets in 2011. That means the aforementioned Duda and Thole, Ike Davis, Jon Niese, Nick Evans. I threw that last one in just for kicks since the Mets will forget he exists again as soon as they no longer need spare bodies for the expanded roster.
Mike Pelfrey is also on the list of players I continue to watch with high hopes, even if those hopes aren't quite as high as they were when his splitter was making hitters look foolish in April and May. He hasn't been throwing it much differently since then, but it has nevertheless seen a decline in effectiveness. He threw nine splitters tonight but just two of them for strikes, but he still had a fine outing in both process and results. He allowed just two runs on five hits over seven innings, striking out four and walking none. He threw first-pitch strikes to just 13 of 27 batters, but the sinker seemed to be working as he recorded 13 outs on the ground to just four in the air.
Even if he ever fine-tunes the splitter to the point of consistent usefulness, Pelfrey probably still won't be a high-strikeout pitcher. The good news is that he throws hard and sinky enough that it shouldn't matter. He just needs to focus on keeping the walk rate low and the batted balls out of the air.
The turning point in this game occurred 39-and-a-half years ago when Elmer Dessens was born. His parents probably had no idea at the time that nearly four decades later he would pitch for the Mets and perform far better than his peripherals would dictate he should. They also couldn't have foreseen that their newborn son's knack for outperforming expectations would catch up with him one night -- this night, as it turns out -- when their fledgling humanoid offspring, all grown up, would groove a 1-2 meatball to as-yet-nonexistent first baseman Gaby Sanchez, who would effortlessly deposit said meatball into the stands of a ballpark that wouldn't be built for another 16 years. Oh, Mr. and Mrs. Dessens! How could you not portend the hell you have now, nearly 40 years later, wrought?
Also, Lucas Duda homered.
Poem by Howard Megdal
Marlins take lead on two-out Wright miscue
But his home run knotted game at 2-2
Did happy recap eventually ensue?
Sadly, no- looks like Elmer's out of glue
SB Nation Coverage
* Traditional Recap
* Boxscore
* Amazin' Avenue Gamethread
* FishStripes Gamethread
Win Probability Added
Big winners: David Wright, +21.5% WPA, Mike Pelfrey, +13.0% WPA
Big losers: Elmer Dessens, -43.3% WPA, Angel Pagan, -17.4% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Wright selfish solo home run in eighth, +24.5% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Sanchez three-run home run in eighth, -37.2% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -21.8% WPA
Total batter WPA: -28.2% WPA
GWRBI!: Gaby Sanchez
Game Thread Roll Call
Nice job by Spike Davis; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.
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| 1 | Spike Davis | 133 |
| 2 | KeithsMoustache | 113 |
| 3 | MookieTheCat | 97 |
| 4 | jdon | 93 |
| 5 | NetsMets4Life | 72 |
| 6 | aparkermarshall | 49 |
| 7 | NYC Russ | 45 |
| 8 | Michkin | 33 |
| 9 | Gina | 27 |
| 10 | Brian. | 26 |
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I can't believe I remember this...
But Sanchez’ homer was on 1-2. Just makes it all the more dreadful.
Clearly
it’s time to take Elmer Dessens horse to the glue factory.
by secret defense on Sep 21, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
Oh that's seriously messed up...
Do not watch if you are at all sensitive to blood.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 21, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at that
another unclutch HR by Dubs...
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Dude, home runs early in games totally suck.
Home runs late in games are totally grissiony and clutchy.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Sep 21, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But it was a solo HR
only unclutch losers his solo shots. Grissiony leaders make sure that the bases are filled when they hit their homers.
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I'm waiting for the day when Wright is taken to task
for hitting a pointless home run late in the game because he was the one who drove in five or six runs early in the game, thus obviating the need for the later home run.
You know that there is a mathematical basis to what you just said, right?
It’s measurable, at least under one definition of “clutch.” Simply put: later in games the player (and everyone else) has greater information on the likelihood that the runs produced will change the game outcome. If “clutch” is measured in performance in high-leverage situations, and high-leverage is defined as the potential to change outcome (he’s a game changuh!), then whether a situation is likely to change an outcome is both measurable.
In mathematical analysis of voting systems there is something called Banzhaf probabilities (named after the mathematician who developed them), which judge the likelihood that any vote cast will have an “effect” (meaning it will change the outcomes of the election). With a little tweaking of the formulae this could be applied here, or really into any situation where the actions of one need to be extrapolated out into an effect on a result dependent on multiple inputs. If any of the math-aficionados around want to look at Banzhaf systems and the underlying formulae, see this. One of the authors, Paul Edelman, was a prof of mine in law school—yes, I took a math class in law school—and looking through his work on the subject can give you an idea of means of adaptation.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 21, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, just to counter an apparent counter-argument...
Block and group voting may also be reflected via Banzhaf formulae. For example, if in some voting area it is certain that 30% of the population will vote one way, then the power of an individual outside of that group to change an election outcome with his vote is affected by this block. Using an analog of this, you could say that a player who comes to bat in the 9th down by 5 runs has no way of directly changing the outcome, as well as a player who comes up with one on, down by 3, or someone who comes up with the bases empty, down by 2. He could indirectly change the outcome by getting on base and presenting the guy after him with a different scenario. If a player comes up down by 2 with 2 on, there is a direct means of changing outcomes. Basically the point is that there are ways of controlling for factors external to the individual player and accounting for the circumstances.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 21, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My critic would be
(and this doesn’t mean a disagree with you because I’m not even sure I understand it enough to actually disagree) but a 3-run HR in a 5-3 game in the 5th would do just as much in a 3-run HR in a 5-3 game in the 8th; namely, put 3 runs on the board and give the team who hit it the lead. Granted, it being hit in the 8th means that that team only has to defend that lead for another 1 to 2 innings instead of 4 or 5 innings, but the direct effect on the game is still 3 runs.
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Right...To an extent.
I need to borrow a term from business economics to explain the difference: uncertainty is expensive, at least in the context of outcomes. Let me explain this way. I think we can all agree on the following propositions: (i) that a 3R HR is a 3R HR and those 3 runs count the same in the context of the score, no matter when scored, (ii) that a 3R HR in the 9th is far less likely to change a game outcome when down by 10, as opposed to 4, 3, 2 etc.; (iii) that early in the game you know less about what will happen later than after what the later occurring events have already occurred (in which case the outcome is certain). Let’s say you buy a stock and want to hold it for 9 years (each year here being a correlate for an inning). Let’s say you have good information that this stock should rise x% every year for these 9 years, or that it should do so on average. What you do not know is what other conditions will occur while your money is locked up in this stock. If you have an option to buy the stock in year 8 for a price of year 1 price + interest at x%, you can buy the stock in year 8 knowing a lot about the conditions in years 1-8 because they have already happened. This is why options cost money: they are a way of getting a deal later with greater information about what happened in the past.
In the same manner if you knew that a player was going to hit a HR at some point, and you had a magic wand and could assign when that HR would be hit, would you have him do it with no one on in the 1st? No, you’d wait until some point when it was relatively certain that it would change the game outcome, even if that game was played tomorrow or the next day. The problem here is that in baseball, like economics (at least as I view them, with a strong mind towards how psychology can screw up rationality), there are so many variables that any system that purports to predict is necessarily fallible, though I admit that some are more or less fallible than others. Will Jerry bring in Ollie that night? If so, I’d doubt I’d use my magic wand HR at all, or at least until Ollie was out of the game. A lot of this is included in WPA and leverage analysis, and in WAR etc., because they take account of situational hitting. I guess what I’d like to add to this conversation—if I was smart enough and knew math well enough, which I don’t—is that clutchness is measurable and should not be dismissed. While it’s clear that runs are runs, some runs are more important than others due to situation because (i) at the conclusion of each game the slate is wiped clean and they don’t get carried over to tomorrow and (ii) scoring a lot of runs is fairly meaningless if the other team scores one more. So scoring where there is greater certainty that these runs are meaningful is more important in my mind than scoring runs where their overall meaning is unknown.
I think I see a bias in a lot of baseball stats, very much like economic stats, where things that are likely to be affected by psychology tend to be dismissed while things speaking to “talent” are preferred. I argued for years over beers with colleagues that the housing boom was based in false psychology and bad economics through things like the psychological biases present in mark-to-market and bonus structures. I think it’s safe to say I was proven right on that one. I also see psychology and—for lack of a better word—intangibles in play here.
I hope that helped clear it up.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 22, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It does
but those psychological aspect, which aren’t said to be non-existent, are at least at the present time, unquantifiable. That’s why you see them ignored. There’s just no way to reliably account for them like there is for talent.
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Exactly right....
But they are indirectly describable. While someone being “unclutch” is merely descriptive and may result from a million different things (so it’s not very good as a predictive tool), it’s in my mind the future. Maybe a player has a deep childhood fear of the dark, so he does worse post-dusk than pre-dusk. Maybe he blew a little league game in the 9th and little Suzie wouldn’t go out with him so there’s a fear of the 9th inning. Maybe he just is in bad shape and is tired by the 9th. Maybe he has trouble with really fast pitches and since closers tend to be fireballers he can’t hit them as well. Who knows? To say that you can’t figure out the reason for something, however, does not mean you can’t describe it (think Mackey Sasser). The next step is analysis of the reason. This is where the true innovations are going to be, and the most money of them all is going to be figuring out why some folks are clutch and some aren’t.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 22, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
In other words....
When someone can describe grission, he will be unstoppable.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 22, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh also....As if I didn't write enough above...
One problem with tying individual stats to game outcome is that at times a grand slam in a blowout has far less effect on game outcome than a single with RISP in the a tie game. The player gets all kinds of stat boosts from the useless GS, whereas the other guy gets a single and a RBI, and the means by which those are incorporated into other stats. It’s a tough game to quantify.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 22, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Clutchness
This was a great discussion. Seems obvious that with a season or so of data, true clutch will stand out. I’d bet it will correlate closely with fan perceptions — eg, George Brett will come up high on the list.
MtCat: A lawyer who knows math is kind of scary. (But be careful of throwing cold water on your partners’ best arguments.)
"Clutchness" would most definitely take more than just one season's worth of data to be identified
if it can be truly identified at all. Because of the situations we’re talking about – late and close, or “game changing” situations – we are necessarily dealing with small samples. I’d venture to guess it’d take around 3 seasons worth of data to even start getting an idea of who’s “clutch” and who’s not. And I doubt it’d correlate very well with the typical fan’s perception (although George Brett very well may rate well).
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yup
As I recall, Beltran’s “clutch” stats fluctuate year to year. Wright was widely lauded just a few years ago for his clutchitude – i.e., in the years before the team around him went to crap, presenting a whole host of contributing factors that affect his “clutch” stats.
It’s possible a clutch statistic could be developed for entire careers, but there is SO MUCH noise. And all of this discussion provides absolutely no justification for using the term the way people generally use it, which is without any regard for the way the human psyche tends to process what it “sees” with its own eyes.
The problem with me is that I know just enough math....
To be dangerous. I can follow Tom Tango etc.‘s arguments about how these things work, but I certainly cannot model my own formulae. Which means that I am much better at finding problems in other people’s work than finding solutions.
I agree with Ogre that it might take more than one season’s worth of data to determine “clutchness,” and I think that while the truly great and truly awful would correlate with fan observations, there would be a lot of surprises closer to the middle (I think Luis Castillo might raise some eyebrows). However, I think the idea that your sample consists of only game-changing situations. Look up at the WPA /- for the game near Megdal’s poem. There’s your data right there, and in every game there are literally thousands of recorded observations. What I would do is assign a weight, not to what actually happened per the outcome of the situation/at-bat, then see what the player did, and compare performance in high-leverage situations to performance in medium leverage (i.e. first inning ABs where you’re not down by a lot but there’s also no certainty that the AB will be meaningful later) and low leverage (when you’re down by 5 in the 9th etc.) The data is available from a number of sources, it’s just a matter of modeling and normalizing the formulae correctly, which I am unable to do.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 22, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think psychology and baseball
are bedfellows. So many one on one confrontations—it is almost primitive, 2001-ish. Where domination is the goal, self-doubt has to be a factor, but how much self-doubt one has is difficult to determine? Quantify what you can, but do not ignore the rest—that is my code. Besides, trying to see into the psyche of a player is fun. Even the most clutch players make out most of the time in what are traditionally called clutch situations. To me, it is more the way that they go down in those situations that is disturbing. I realize that this seems more aesthetic than anything else, but it really isn’t. We tease David, but one has to like the kind of production he brings. He is a crappy fielder but no one can doubt that he is a prime offensive player. I am a pretty basic, laundry following guy, but I find that I get personally disappointed when he gets up late in close games and is an easier out than Jeff Francoeur. It seems clear to me that I do prefer him over the other members of the team. I have said before that for all of his mechanics, his problem is psychological. I remain convinced of this. Get the right guru in here, and David might round out his game quickly. Then he can upgrade the outs he, and all players, inevitably make in “clutch” situations.
Think about Mackey Sasser, Rick Ankiel etc....
When guys have huge psychological breaks they are easy to spot. How can a guy who has played baseball for most of his life forget how to throw the ball back to the pitcher? How can a guy who has spent years honing his craft all of a sudden forget how to throw a ball into the strike zone? Those are the whales, but there are also fishes about, and they are harder to spot. Why does Wright appear to play better early in games? Because he does play better early in games (see splits here). His OPS nosedives in the 7th and though it rises a bit in the 8th, in the 9th he’s hitting sub-Francouer (no joke). I normalized this a while back using spreadhseets and comparing him to an assortment of randomly selected NL East starters. While as a general rule most players’ performance drops later in the game, Wright’s performance drops to a much greater degree than average.
So is Wright “unclutch”? I’m not sure. What I do know is that what I, and many other fans, have observed is borne out by stats to a degree. The real question is why no one in the organization has sat down with him and said “why is your K/BB rate better in the 9th than earlier in the game yet you are hitting far worse?” Simply stating that things like “clutch” are unprovable is both false and means that no one will take the time to look for solutions to apparent, and non-apparent, problems.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 22, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Another example: Chuck Knoblauch
And why does Wright have a better K/BB in the 9th yet hits far worse? It might just be luck.
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I thought of this...
And the only thing I can think of is hesitation. However, if you look at his K/BB in each of the other innings you begin to notice that these stats are all over the place. I was going to make the point that it might be 9th inning hesitation (masked as “good plate discipline”) until I dug deeper into his inning splits and this seemed an incomplete conclusion. I think in the 9th, however, there is some evidence that he is hesitating or maybe choking up (or something) to prevent the K but in the mix he is losing more than he gains.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 23, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It is very similar....
Except that Banzhaf is somewhat simplified because a vote is a vote.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 22, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
The Duda
If I’m figuring this right, Duda is now batting .280 and slugging .640 over his last 10 games.
It's pretty much the four games from the 16th to the 19th that tripled his OPS
(to all of 540 or so, but still…). His OPS is 1600+ over those four games.
It would be great to see him really in the OF mix for 2011, but
in a much larger and still small sample Danny Murphy looked like a stud in the last two months of 2008. He can probably only play himself OUT of the mix, but going 0 for his last 40 or so, though I guess a real hot streak can’t hurt.
daniel murphy never actually performed much in the minors though
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
hey sometimes guys slump
his slump just happened to be his 1st couple of weeks in MLB. Now he is hitting more like everyone thought, and the hits I have seen have not been cheap at all, very solid hits. I like the way he looks, but can he do it for 150 games. Francouer had a good 2 weeks in April
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by Rickfansince76 on Sep 22, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
As for the thoughts on winning and losing, I think you nailed it...
I don’t ever want to root against the Mets, but right now I care about as much as they seem to do on the field. Just a sloppy, dispirited group. I don’t care about draft picks too much either, but after this season it’s almost as if this year’s supply of disappointment has been exhausted.
More injuries and/or a train-wreck GM could make it worse
but I don’t think that either will happen. I’m hoping that the Law of Averages (and a brand spankin’ new trainer) will spare us of this level of injuries, and I’m on my freaking knees praying that a genuinely qualified GM is hired.
I can see things getting better and the 2011 Mets winning 90 games, but I’m not prepared to wager on that outcome just yet.
Results-wise, yes
But if they hire someone decent, we can sit and, dare I say, hope? Especially with all the money that will be coming off the books.
I liked 2005...
And even 2004. I don’t mind rebuild years, so long as the focus appears to be on the rebuild.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 22, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
at least there is an adorable puppy in this post! That makes all of the losing tolerable, right?
right?
right?
right?
…..
right?
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by Steve Schreiber on Sep 21, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
But of course, glory is fleeting.
The Mets have taught this to me over the course of many years.
by Spike Davis on Sep 21, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Congratulations...
You are now officially an embiggener.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 22, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Its a pretty awesome group to be in
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Sep 22, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
you have defeated me this time
my vengeance shall be swift and verbose
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Sep 22, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Props to Howard for the poem
Also the Dessens story made me lol for a while, nice recap Eric
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by blueandorange4life on Sep 22, 2010 1:13 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah....
A number of years ago Business 2.0 had the “100 Worst Moments in Business” list at the end of every year (I believe this magazine is now out of business). On year they had the worst moment in business as the CEO of some company having been born 50 or 60 years before. This reminded me of that, which is high praise for Mr. Simon.
by MookieTheCat on Sep 22, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
So how about this for next year and beyond
First matter, new GM and Manager. I would love going with the Mazz for manager and Gerry Hunsicker for GM. I think Mazzilli would be a great fit for this team and would be a great manager. And Hunsicker did a great job making the Astros contenders, knows what it takes to build a club and would be able to tell Wilpon to go whine to someone else.
So to address the teams needs for next year I would propose these moves:
-To bulster the rotation, trade Beltran, Fernando and Gee to the sawx for Bucholz. Some of you might say golly gee to this idea but I think it works. We don’t really need Fernando for our outfield with Duda, Pagan, Bay and Kirk being groomed. We are improving our pitching big time by giving up Gee for Clay, who has big upside where Gee is a bit less talented. And we are not going to keep Beltran after next year, why not get something for him in return. Turn the page to our future and forget Beltran and let Duda get his work in. I really like Duda, he has a really smooth swing that reminds me a bit of Josh Hamilton. He will eventually be able to hit for big power and avg as well.
-Then add a starter like Ted Lilly to ensure our rotation is set with Johan not a certainty. This would also give us great rotation depth since Dickey is not guaranteed to repeat his numbers again next year.
-2b will be played by either Tejada or Murphy depending on who steps up.
So then we would have a nice lineup of: Reyes, Pagan-CF, Wright, Davis, Bay, Duda-RF, Murphy, Thole. That lineup 1-6 seems like a pretty good bunch that could do some damage. That lineup would be really good I think because it would be a consistent lineup that would play all the time and should really gel. Reyes, Pagan and Wright should be really great, Davis should hopefully show improvement, you have to expect Bay to do much better and Duda looks like a kid who could really put it together by midseason. Then Thole and Murphy are icing on the cake, hoping that Murphys bat can compensate for the defensive lapse.
Then the rotation, whenever and if Johan gets back, Santana, Bucholz, Pelf, Niese, Dickey/Lilly. This would be a pretty legit rotation with potentially really good 1-3 pitchers. This would allow Mejia to stay in the minors for another year which I think is necessary. Then he would be ready for full time duty in 2012 and be really polished. Remember he’s only 20 yrs old. Other pitchers make their debuts when their 22-24, he needs more time to work on his craft. So provided that trade could be made I would like our teams chances to compete. Although Boston is probably going to be very reluctant to give up Bucholz, if at all, but I hope they do. .
Then the Bullpen
To overhaul the pen since, everyone basically stinks except for Feliciano and Parnell. So I would look to add some guys from FA from a list of Balfour, Guerrier, Kerry Wood and Fuentes. Hopefully we can void Krods contract and pay him less, enabling us to spend it on other guys. A bullpen including Parnell, Krod, Feliciano, Misch, Wood, Guerrier and Balfour would look amazing. Most likely not going to happen but that would be a pretty golden rotation and ’pen.
Now I am not a proponent of just doing what other people do
but if no one in the ranks of baseball has given Mazilli a sniff since Baltimore, why should the mets? He couldn’t even hold a job on their post game show! Leave it to the mets—-people are sitting around talknig about Backman, who was in baseball’s wasteland, and Mazilli, returned from baseball oblivion. That being the case, why don’t we roll out Jim Dequette for another go-round as GM?
and personally
I think that lineup would be awful.
OK...
1. What makes you think Mazzilli would be even a decent manager?
2. Boston won’t trade their ace, let alone for Baltran, F!, and Gee… It’d take something like Mejia, F!, Famila, and Puello for the Red Sox to even start listening.
3. I also want Guerrier and Balfour for the pen, but I’m not holding my breath.
4. What, no Crawford or Ackley?
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I would probably take Meija, F, Familia and Puello
and Reyes or Niese+ more.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I wouldn't touch Lilly,
mainly because I think the Dodgers will offer him arbitration.
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
Realistically we've almost locked up a protected pick.
We’re 2 1/2 games behind the Jays with 11 to play, and the Marlins, Tigers, and Angels are in between us.
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Sep 22, 2010 7:53 AM EDT reply actions
Sadder than losing
I went to mets.com to try to see highlights of Duda’s home run. The team’s homepage informed me that the next game is Friday September 17th vs the Braves with Jon Niese on the mound vs Tommy Hanson.
A little disappointed that the title wasn't "Elmer Fudded it up for Pelfrey."
Or some variation of that.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
the 2010 mets have done the impossible
they have relieved me of my megalomaniacal solipsism: they lose even when i don’t watch. while i try to piece my psyche back together, we will soon see what they do when no one is watching.
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"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
is that true?
looking it up
OH JESUS TAP DANCING CHRIST !!!!!!!!!! that is awful.
I hate Philadelphia so much.
at least Elmer was exposed for the weakling he is.
hopefully he’s not on this team in 2011.
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