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A Look At Mejia's First Start through Pitchf/x and What the Mets (and Mets Fans) Should Look For From Here On Out

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AP photo of Jenrry Mejia from his start on Saturday against the Cubs. Image courtesy of SB Nation. 

Jenrry Mejia's first start in the major leagues this weekend did not look particularly impressive from a results standpoint: 

Five Innings Pitched, four earned runs, one unintentional walk, only two strikeouts (one resulting in the batter reaching anyhow on a wild pitch), and a not-particularly impressive 11/8 GB/FB ratio.

But what about the pitches themselves? Have they changed in the few months since we've last seen him? Did he use them differently? And does he show signs of what the Mets are working on with him? After the jump, we'll look at his pitches in his start against the Cubs, whether they've changed, and whether he's using them differently.

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As a reliever, Mejia threw four pitches: a four-seam fastball, a two-seam fastball, a changeup, and a curveball. Below in Figure 1 is the graph showing the movement and speed of Mejia's pitches yesterday and Table 1 shows the average speed and movement on each pitch when Mejia was a reliever and as a starter on Saturday.

Movement_of_mejia_and_speed_on_first_start_mediumFigure 1: Graph of the movement and velocity of Mejia's pitches on Saturday. 

To Read:

Vertical movement
: The amount of inches the ball drops/"rises" as compared to how we would expect gravity to make a pitch drop. So a fastball with Positive 10 Vertical Movement "RISES" 10 inches more than it should if gravity was the only force acting on it and a curveball with -10 Vertical Movement drops 10 inches more than a pitch thrown that is just acted on by gravity.

Horizontal movement
: The graph is from the view of a catcher or umpire behind home plate. So a pitch that's on the left side of the graph (and has "negative horizontal movement") moves in on righties and away from lefties. A pitch that's on the right side of the graph moves in on lefites and away from righties. 

Legend for this Graph and All Subsequent Graphs:
Four-Seam Fastballs = Red Dots
Two-Seam Fastballs = Yellow Dots
Changeups = Green Dots
Curveballs = Blue Dots

Start or Relief Pitch Type # of Pitches Thrown Average Pitch Speed (MPH) Average Horizontal Movement Average Vertical Movement
Relief Changeup 67 86.94 -4.205 4.274
Relief Curveball 40 79.20 4.191 -8.041
Relief Four-Seam 298 95.08 0.719 4.776
Relief Two-Seam 83 95.12 -3.363 4.378
Start Changeup 18 85.86 -5.983 3.818
Start Curveball 16 78.01 3.855 -6.282
Start Four-Seam 48 92.80 -0.582 4.901
Start Two-Seam 10 91.99 -3.666 4.776

Table 1:  A table showing the average movement and pitch speed of each of Mejia's pitches as a starter and as a reliever. 

The first thing you should notice is that Mejia's velocity was down significantly on his fastballs in his start on Saturday. The Mets have tried to spin this as the result of Mejia changing speeds, but that's not really the case; in reality, he just simply could not get the velocity on his pitches that he had before as a reliever, never even hitting 95 on the gun even once. This is of some concern. Mejia's fastball was remarkable for two reasons: its cutting movement and its velocity. The combination of the two that he showed before was essentially unique. Among all pitchers in the major leagues this year, only Evan Meek of the Pirates managed to have a pitch that was similar in speed and movement to Mejia's. 

It would be disappointing if Mejia was to have such a lower velocity as a starter, but at least the MOVEMENT on Mejia's four-seam fastball remains the same as a starter (roughly). The pitch cuts, so that the pitch is essentially moving away from right-hand batters like a slider instead of toward those right-handed batters like a normal fastball. Mejia's two-seam fastball and changeup move a little more like a traditional fastball, but still don't move very far in on right hand batters. 

Finally, you should note that Mejia was more willing to use his secondary stuff in his lone start than he did as a reliever. His curveball use increased a good bit in his start and he used the pitch equally against right and left-handed batters. Moreover, he showed some more accuracy with the pitch on Saturday (in fact, he showed almost too much accuracy, hitting the strike zone 75% of the time with the pitch). The movement on these pitches appears essentially the same as it was when he was using them sparingly as a reliever.

What we and the Mets should be looking for in Mejia:

Here are two quotes from Adam Rubin's recap of Mejia's first start:

"The Mets had dispatched Mejia to the minors to polish his curveball. They also wanted him to hone his changeup and a four-seam fastball so that it would break in on right-handed batters and offset the cutting action away from them on most of his pitches. Although Mejia drew positive reviews in the minors, Manuel and pitching coach Dan Warthen indicated the secondary pitches remain works in progress."

"Said Warthen: 'Most all of his balls cut. We want that two-seamer to move the other way.'"

The second "quote" is direct from Dan Warthen. And the second quote is not a bad one: it maintains the idea that Mejia should have a two-seam fastball that more clearly breaks in on right-handed batters to contrast with his cutting four-seam fastball. Right now, the two-seam fastball does break more in on RHBs than the four-seam pitch, but not by that much. If he could clearly separate the two pitches, he might be able to have greater success. For reference, one pitcher in the majors who uses a two-seam fastball and a cutting fastball that go in very-opposite directions is some guy named Roy Halladay (Jon Niese also might fit this profile, but he has a four-seam fastball that is in the middle of his two opposite-moving pitches). Asking for Mejia to be Halladay might be a little bit much, but we should look in his next few starts whether he's able to make the two-seam fastball move more in on right-handed batters so that it is more clearly a separate pitch. 

The first quote, if correctly transcribed, would be a little worrisome. Mejia's great potential lies in the fact that his fastball cuts and sinks. If they were to try and make his four-seam fastball move more in on right-hand batters, it would take away that great cutting action that gives him his high potential. I hope that this quote was simply Adam Rubin mistaking Warthen's talk about the two-seamer for the four-seamer. 

Conclusion:

The Mets and their fans have a lot to be interested in in Mejia.  During this last month of the season we ought to look at four things: 

1)  Can he get his velocity back up on his fastball?
2)  Can he separate his two-seamer's movement from his four-seam fastball's cutting movement? 
    2a)  Can he do so without losing his great cut on the four-seam fastball?
3) Can he learn to use the curveball and changeup more effectively so that he has a larger arsenal?

He will probably make about four more starts -- this is pretty exciting. Let's just hope the Mets don't screw him up.

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That Rubin quote is damn scary.

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by Ogre39666 on Sep 6, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

could the decreased velocity on the FB be because he was trying to impress and overthrew them?

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by Ogre39666 on Sep 6, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Idea

Could also be him conserving energy as a starter. But his fastballs weren’t as slow in the AFL when he started for 3 innings at a time.

Could also be a fluke. Only way to know is to watch him pitch more

by garik16 on Sep 6, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully it isn't because of beginning as a reliever,

then going back to being a starter, and then suffering the shoulder injury. I’m concerned the decreased velocity is permanent.

Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.

by Preach19 on Sep 6, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the reports I've read say his velocity was fine in Bingo and Buffalo though.

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by Ogre39666 on Sep 6, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

::sigh:: the Mets seem to have had this problem with hard-throwing prospects of late

they either rush them up too early—Grant Roberts, Parnell, Mik ePelfrey… or they only throw fastballs with rudimentary breaking stuff.

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by feslenraster on Sep 7, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Not really what to be concerned about with Mejia

His Fastball is a special pitch due to its movement and it’ll always be his primary focus, even if he does perfect his curveball. And he threw a whole bunch of curveballs as a starter.

Besides, not really sure what you think they did wrong with Parnell….he didn’t come up too young and was more or less always thought of as a reliever.

by garik16 on Sep 7, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's Mariano Rivera.

Duh…

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by Ogre39666 on Sep 7, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both aren't great comps in terms of pitch types

But if you want to know starter v reliever, I’d say starter.

by garik16 on Sep 7, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

only in their dreams

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by Gina on Sep 7, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed the 94 mph

and thought he threw harder than that. Maybe conserving. Could be a lot of stuff. 94 with movement should still get it done, but you’d want him to be able to get that extra 2-3 mph on it when needed.

by wobatus on Sep 7, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

What fields did you use for the movement?

Interesting analysis. Thanks for putting it together.

Out of curiosity what fields did you use for the movement? For reasons that have never been very clear to me, the data provides a lot of options, and the result will vary depending on which one is used.

I mainly ask because it’s possible that if you used something that measures displacement (e.g. how far offline the ball traveled), then it’s possible his pitches are moving less. Because a slower pitch would take more time to reach home plate, it could change location by the same amount even if it were moving at a slower rate. As far as I can tell, the ax and az fields are the ones to use.

On a related note, I wonder if you’ve thought to look at it using spin and force, so we can get a better sense of if his stuff is really zipping around the zone as much as it used to. The total movement force would just be sqrt((az+32.2)^2+ax^2). Since that would account for the angle of the spin, it might give us an easier basis for comparison.

Thanks for putting this together.

by Sethuel on Sep 7, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I used the terms "movement" but the proper term is spin deflection

I used pfx_x (horizontal spin deflection) and pfx_z (vertical spin deflection). They measure the total deflection in inches in each direction. These are the traditional fields for these terms.

We don’t actually have observational spin data. The spin data in pitchfx data is a calculation using the pfx_x and pfz_z data.

ax and az is the acceleration of the pitch in the x and z planes. az however INCLUDES gravity. pfx_z is the spin deflection excluding gravity.

by garik16 on Sep 7, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah i see you’re accounting for gravity (32.2). Yes that’ll give you total spin deflection, but it’s more useful to seperate them into the X and Z planes. It’s already done by the pfx_x and pfz_z categories.

by garik16 on Sep 7, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for posting that. I couldn’t remember where to find it.

Also, sorry, I didn’t mean the spin field in the data—that’s new since I last used the data. I meant the angle of the spin I found on SoSH—though it’s easily derived—which is arctan((az+32.174)/ax) * 180/3.14. That was more a curiosity than anything, to see if he’s throwing his pitches differently.

My problem with the pfx fields—even though they have, as you note, become the standard—is that they’re based on a change in location. It’s “how far, in inches, did this pitch diverge from its true (i.e. spin-free) path.” That’s a useful thing in a number of contexts, but it is fairly dependent on pitch speed. I know magnus force is too, though I don’t remember how much, so maybe that renders my point moot.

What I’m getting at though, is this: Let’s assume for a moment that ax is an accurate representation of how sharply Mejia spins a pitch, and is independent of the speed at which he throws that pitch. Let’s then say that he throws two consecutive pitches of the same type. The first is 91 mph, with a horizontal acceleration (ax) of 10 ft/sec^2. The second is 96 mph, with an acceleration of 11 ft/sec^2. There’s no doubt that the second pitch was thrown faster, and that it was released with a sharper break.

But because of the difference in speeds, the first pitch takes .02 seconds longer to reach home plate. In that time, it travels an extra 1.24 inches on that horizontal plane. As a result, the pfx of the slower pitch is 12.33, while the faster pitch is only 12.19. This is even though the movement of the faster pitch was sharper. I think I have the math right, though my calculus is not the freshest.

The point is that, in this instance, although the result was more movement in spatial terms, the process was one in which the pitch was not thrown as well. Given that we’re trying to evaluate whether Mejia has lost something, to me it would make more sense to look at the process of his pitches.

Does that make sense? Sorry if the explanation is a bit convoluted. By no means am I trying to say you’re doing it wrong or anything—I think yours is a well-done analysis. I just wonder if the results would change by looking at ax and az instead of pfx_x and pfx_z. It may not have an effect. If it does though, it gives you another interesting detail to look it.

by Sethuel on Sep 7, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it makes sense.

Obviously it depends upon pitch speed, but well it’s not like people aren’t accounting for the increases or decreases on pitch speed.

ax and az are useful but the results don’t generally change much (they haven’t here) outside of the standard measurement margin of error. I use the two generally only for fixing release points to a 55 foot standard and possibly now to establish final velocity vectors (after Mike fast and Lentzer’s presentation at the Pitchfx summit 2 weeks ago). They also establish my pitch paths charts that i do sometimes. But they don’t add anything over Horizontal and Vertical spin deflection most of the time and it’s easier to explain in inches than acceleration.

(And as i said before, the spin and acceleration data doesn’t show a change aside from velocity (and that’s the y vector))

Anyhow, we’re getting off topic here. If you have any other questions or whatever, shoot me an email (garik16 AT gmail.com)

by garik16 on Sep 7, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure. Thanks for looking into it.

by Sethuel on Sep 7, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

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