Spoiler Alert Applesauce - Mets angry at players for skipping Walter Reed, Brooklyn tied up, Savannah not
by Joe Budd on Sep 9, 2010 8:11 AM EDT
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The Amazins may have won their first consecutive game in forever, but let's be honest, a good controversy involving Carlos Beltran, Luis Castillo, and Oliver Perez is so much better to talk about. In a controversy tailor-made for race baiting, the three most commonly disliked Mets are getting criticized for skipping a team outing to Walter Reed. I'll give credit to Joe D for being very rational on this one which is more than I can say for Met management. Also, Dave Singer, 21 year military vet, is justifiably appalled at the media coverage of this non-story.
The two Met minor league teams in the playoffs had mixed success last night. Brooklyn walked off winners 9-8 over Jamestown, tying the series at 1. Savannah lost 8-3 in the opening game of its series against Greenville.
Brian Joura thinks that the Mets are making a mistake by keeping Hisanori Takahashi in the closer spot instead of Bobby Parnell. With rumors that Takahashi may leave floating around, I can't help but agree.
Ted Berg has some good stuff: Patrick Flood calling in to the Baseball Show; and some rational optimism about the Met future.
And, finally, go buy a McFadden's $50 gift certificate for only $25.
Around MLB
Charlie Manuel is getting a lot of praise at the moment and probably deservingly as his Phillies are somehow in first place. Certainly makes Mejia v. Halladay on Friday a little more interesting.
Josh Johnson may be done for the year.
Rockie pitcher Aaron Cook had his leg broken by a line drive. Yikes.
Jim Joyce will be the umpire behind the plate for Armando Galarraga's next start.
In other umpiring news, Bob Davidson ejected a fan in the Milwaukee-St. Louis game for hurling a homophobic slur at Yadier Molina. Bernie Miklasz writes that Davidson's act is getting really old.
And, finally, Derek Jeter is looking to sell his $20 million apartment in Trump Tower.
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I disagree
that fan was a douche, drunk or not.
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
So Beltran had a great excuse not to go,
Castillo had a semi-plausible excuse (squeamishness) not to go and Perez doesn’t care. Also, it was non-mandatory.
So, all three will get crushed by the media, while only one deserves to, although you can argue that since it was non-mandatory, none of them should get crushed.
Oh wait, it was the Daily News? Fucking shocker.
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
by meigs1414 on Sep 9, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Emphasis on semi-
Castillo may be being honest. It’s still a fairly childish excuse if you ask me. Not that I really care.
Have you ever seen anybody badly wounded in a hospital?
I have. If you haven’t then shut up because you don’ t know what you are talking about. Castilo’s excuse is very real and human and certainly not childish. What is beyond childish is the way the media and the Mets and Jeff Wilpon and yes players like David Wright have blown this up into an issue.
Sorry to get personal wobatus but I am so disgusted by this story and the way these guys have gotten treated I am lashing out at anybody who give it even the slightest creedence. Mike Lupica is a disgusting pig who should be thronw into a cell with that crazy preacher from Florida.
I better cut down on the coffee.
by Endys Game on Sep 9, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
DIsagree, as well, more coffee...
But agree with your point about the hospital. I have a friend and a relative who are both VA hospital docs (one at Walter Reed). While they really do great things there, seeing people who are seriously disabled in the hospital can be very draining and for some may cause psychological hardship. It’s fairly well known that there are even medical students who set foot in the hospital, take a look around, and decide that this is not the career path for them.
I think the article written by the vet—linked above—is a solid voice of reason and I praise him for it. This whole thing just seems like a witch hunt to me.
So
it makes him squeamish? I don’t doubt it. But that to me is paltry excuse. I don’t mind really these guys not going. I’d have preferred not to hear that excuse, although I acknowledged that it seems honest. And I read the vet’s take, and it’s big of him. Sure, who wants someone who doesn’t want to be there?
I doubt they were taking him to the gaping sucking wound ward. Hell, I didn’t want to watch those ads with the guy with the hole in his throat from cigarette smoking all last season either. Castillo saying what he did kind of reinforces the idea these guys are societal outcasts. Castillo plays ball, so his collegues aren’t going to be guys with their legs blown of, but most businesses have to accomodate employees with missing limbs. There’s a lawyer in my office who lost an arm in Viet Nam, I can’t say ya know, that makes me squeamish, I can’t work with this guy.
Put it this way. I’d rather visit them in the hospital then be in their place, or been there when it happened.
If it literally makes him have some kind of panic attack, fine, but it sounds to me like not facing up to the normal discomfoert almost anyone would feel.
And yes, I have seen badly wounded people before, and not just in a hospital.
I think you can, if you want, disagree with his decision
but you can’t blame him for his decision. It’s his and only his to make.
John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.
absolutely
And I suppose I should take the man at his word, and he doesn’t even need an excuse. Ollie and Beltran I made no comment. It says more about me that I couldn’t just gloss over Castillo’s excuse. I’ll leave it at that.
I can't see not using Parnell as the closer being a big deal.
I don’t really thik he’s gaining any sort of added development by pitching the 9th as opposed to the 8th in close games, they are semi high leverage situations either way. If anything, closing will get him less opportunities to pitch and potentially raise his price when he reaches arbitration.
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
If I buy Jeter's apartment
will someone come in and clean up all that semen before I move in? Or is that on me?
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Sep 9, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
Collect it and sell it on ebay.
After all, it’s chock full of grission and ringz.
by madisonmetsfan on Sep 9, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'll clean up
the starlets lounging around his pad
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
does this mean he is not going to resign
will he go play in Boston next season? can he play 2B for the Mets
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Sep 9, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I would prefer a second baseman who can hit well or play defense well
He can’t do either of those things right now (not that he could ever do the latter).
Ha
but let’s not get ahead of ouselves. This year is slow, but last year was Jeter’s best since ’99. (7.4 WAR!) I think he could handle the Mets 2B job.
by Pack Bringley on Sep 9, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeter's probably not worth the $$$
At his age, to sign Jeter to play out of position sounds like an idea so bad that Omar would be all over it if he wasn’t about to get reassigned or fired.
eh
he’d probably be about average at 2nd base. And I’d expect his bat to bounce back some. He’s not gonna have a .370+ wOBA but I’d be willing to bet he could get it up to at least .330.
And this is weird but he has an insane defensive split. He’s average on the road and miserable at Yankee field. I don’t; know if it means anything I just thought it was interesting.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Well we don't have to worry...
I wonder how many years the Jankees will give him. Hopefully something disasterous.
by Pack Bringley on Sep 9, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
disastrous?
they’ll overpay him then talk us into a wright/reyes for jeter swap since jeter’s a winner.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Brooklyn Cyclones
I was at that game last night. The Cyclones are facing elimination. What happens when they are down by a run in the 8th? They rally and tie the game. What happens when they’re down by a run in the 9th? They rally and tie the game, and eventually win in the 12th. Contrast that with the 2010 Mets.
I’ve only seen him play in two games, but I’ve come to believe that Ceciliani is a very special player. He’s very aggressive on the base paths, which caused him to be thrown out yesterday when trying to stretch a single into a double. Ceciliani is what I think of when I think of a leadoff hitter. He gets on base, he is disruptive, and he scores. Let us hope that he can quickly adjust to pitching in the higher levels of the minor leagues.
The 2010 mets offense in the Ninth inning seems pretty similar to innings 1-8
Which is flat out awful. It doesn’t help when you are facing the likes of Wagner, bell, Nunez, Brian Wilson, Cordero etc. rather than the blanton’s of the world. We are just bad offensively, no matter the inning. And I can’t really equate short season A ball to that of a major league team.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Sep 9, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
We can still see local winning baseball in NYC without going to a Yankees game
That’s really what this about for me. It has been possible to watch a team with a Mets logo on their uniform play exciting baseball in NYC in 2010. I pay the Wilpons $16 to watch winning baseball in Coney island instead of paying them much more to watch mediocre baseball in Flushing.
I also enjoy the opportunity to see some top Mets prospects play. It is one thing to read about Ceciliani and Vaughn. It is something else to see them play in person.
hey man
i am all for it, and i understan your excitement. Personally, I have protested anything to do with the Wilpon’s with the exception of my girl taking me to a game on my Bday I havent gone to a game at Shea/Citi since 07. I have been to Dodger stadium in the last 4 years more times than either stadium in Queens. Also, I am excited over Vaughn, and Ceciliani to a lesser extent. I hope Vaughn can make that tough jump to AA by next year and continue to hit with power, and show the patience he has shown thus far.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Sep 9, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Mets offense actually gets much worse as the game goes on...
And gets worse even when compared to the NL EAst average. On average teams tend to score fewer runs late in games, for whatever reason, but the Mets decline late in games is greater than the decline of others, but sheer number of runs and percentage of total runs scored. I put together an Excel spreadsheet on this a week or so ago and the results are fairly astounding.
What really ruled
is when there was a bouncer past the 3rd baseman, fielded cleanly but late by the shortstop, and Darrel scored from second. Yeah, he’s fun. Too bad a guy like that throws with his left arm and thus can’t play the infield.
by Pack Bringley on Sep 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Liked the Dave Singer piece about the veterans' perspective
I hate to go all “think of the children!” here, but leave it to the NY media clowns to make this a story about Mets team unity and Beltran hate, or whatever, while ignoring what the veterans in the hospital think.
Also, I think David Wright is kind of a dick for his quotes: “You’d like to see everybody. I don’t think it’s big enough until you get everybody.” Maybe he meant it in a harmless way but he had to realize who wasn’t there and how people (note: the Daily News, Newsday, The Post) would portray this.
by James Kannengieser on Sep 9, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions
Wright:
I think that just being American and living in this country, we owe it to those guys to say thank you and tell them how much we appreciate what they put on the line every day.
Of course, those other guys aren’t American, so maybe they’re allowed to act differently?
Um, yeah
Beltran is an american citizen from Puerto Rico. Not that it matters, but I thought I’d point that out.
Hey !. Don't talk to my mami like that.
by fxcarden on Sep 9, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Carlos Delgado holding on line one for JoshNY
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
i saw this story in the NY times
which made me take notice, since it is not a tabloid. Usually, the Times doesn’t report something til its a more substantial story, so you can take that as an indication for what it’s worth.
I’m not surprised to see this team explode in a grade school baking soda volcano of bad chemistry, no matter how manufactured the reasons are, since they are losy losers on the field. And no one knows when to shave any more.
Wright may be a dick, but THE Dick is quoted in the Times article, as taking (something) “very personally.”
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
You overestimate the Times...
They print a lot of crap, and have for a long time. This seems to be getting more and more true in their coverage of the Mets recently. Has anyone else noticed this?
the only ny times sports article I've ever read
was the one about how we were going to miss Omar and he wasn’t much worse than Epstein/Friedman…so definitely.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I used to check the Times now and then...
To get a counterpoint to the Post/News easily excitable sports reporting. Now it’s just more of the same: poorly researched, poorly thought out, rehashing of the press box party line etc.
to each their own i suppose
They print a lot of crap, and have for a long time.
Can’t really debate that, since you don’t and probably couldn’t provide evidence for such a claim.
But i think my point stands and it’s a little silly to claim it is no different than the tabloids. Maybe you don’t like the columnists opinions but that doesn’t really speak to the quality of the reporting. They actually run a nice “popularize sabermetrics” column which I don’t see get much attention around here. The sports page reporting hasn’t really dipped in quality, in my opinion, but I’ve only been reading it for 20 years or so.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Jason whatshisface....
The guy who wrote fake stories, with fake facts and details. I used to really like reading the Times sports section, as well as much of the rest of the paper. Recently I’ve seen a decline. Just my opinion….
by MookieTheCat on Sep 9, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The NYTs grotesque, poorly researched cheerleading
in the runup to the invasion and occupation of Iraq qualifies, if nine years is “a long time”.
well there's
plenty of knee jerk “MSM” criticism and group think commenting on this site, but i still enjoy reading it.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Sep 10, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Not all of it was cheerleading
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/16/international/middleeast/16IRAQ.html
But of course, it, or Judith Miller, relied to heavily on Chalabi and his sources. They got it wrong.
Also
This would be the headline if Beltran canceled his charity meeting to go visit Walter Reed:
Classless Beltran ruins day of charity workers helping to build his high school
by James Kannengieser on Sep 9, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
They'd most definitely
Quote an anonymous source at the foundation too. It’s a given that a name is made up or just given anonymously.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Sep 9, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It should be like the Ross's on Seinfeld
When they want George to head up the Susan Ross foundation, george says he has a job, and they say something like, don’t worry, we’ll schedule around it, nights, weekends, whenever you have free time.
by wobatus on Sep 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree Parnell should close
Tak2 has done well, but I do not think he is a closer for the long run. Parnell could audition to see if it is worth getting rid of K-Rod. Parnell has been doing well as a set up guy.
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Tere are several reasons I don't like this.
First, I hate the idea of an “audition” based on a few meaningless September games. This idea could easily lead to a flawed decision such as Dan Murphy “starting left fielder”. Secondly, Krod’s situation should not depend at all on Parnell. If the Mets don’t want to keep Krod, there are plenty of other routes to take in the offseason.
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on Sep 9, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
And even if we don't void K-rods contract
going into next season with the bp as is would pretty much be a nightmare.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Just to add insult to this seasons injury
did anyone else notice Jason Vargas has a 3.72 ERA and 4.00 FIP (albiet largely aided by his stadium). He’s probably mediocre at best but sheesh how many cheap averagish starters/bp arms have we lost in the last few years.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Indeed
And look how last year’s 5th starters in NY have thrived elsewhere. Not that I wanted to keep livan around, but he’s done ok. Even garcia has been acceptable as a number 5 in the AL. Figgy. Then before last year they traded vargas.
Not just starters. O’Day has been a rubber-armed bullpen guy thriving in Texas.
also Bannister
and yeah bp arms too. O’day, Lindstrom, Bell. Maybe one day this team will get out of it’s own way.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
It's obvious
Castillo and Perez would rather be anywhere else but here. The problem is, since nobody wants them, there’s no solution, without eating a good part of their contracts i hope management smooths things over with Beltran because i believe he will have a pretty good 2011 season
I went to this mets happy hour thing a couple of years ago before the mets dinner
The group was Krod, Perez, Reyes, and Feliciano sitting at a table in the corner. Those 4 did not talk to any of the rest of the team, nor did they ever get up to acknowledge anyone that came up to them.
Contrast that to the rest of the team that thankfully shook my and my wife’s hand, posed for pictures and signed anything that we handed to them. (I even got HOJO to sign his rookie card). The entire rest of the team were more than happy to be there, while Krod and Perez especially looked like they would rather have cancer than say thanks for supporting us.
(Santana wasn’t there (baby being born)).
Sorry that should have read
Krod, Perez, Reyes and Castillo, not Feliciano.
regarding perez in this fiasco
the dude is in a tough position b/c no one at that hospital, even slightly aware of MLB would relish an opportunity to meet oliver perez- no one respects this guy and he knows it.
it’s easy to say he’s a cocksucker, and i wouldn’t dissent from that point of view, but it’s not easy being ollie, i guarantee you that.
this all supports my theory that baseball is like a soap opera, complete with heroes, villains and other dramatic devices. ollie is the villain on the team this year- the dark man. it used to be heillman. seeing heillman come out of the pen was like bumping into the undertaker on the street.
eh
then he should go and be a good sport, buy them all a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue. I would care less if he sucks balls on the field if he seemed like a fun guy. Or not. he’s perfectly within his rights. It’s just that now if you knew who he was you can say, ok, he can’t play and he’s a jerk to boot.
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