Terry Collins Plans A Sane Lineup

by James Kannengieser on Jan 16, 2011 12:17 PM EST

Terry Collins plans the following lineup this season (via Adam Rubin):

1. Jose Reyes
2. Angel Pagan
3. David Wright
4. Carlos Beltran
5. Jason Bay
6. Ike Davis

The second baseman and catcher will bat 7th and 8th.

This is a welcome change from the prior decision-maker, who batted Alex Cora, Jesus Feliciano, Ruben Tejada and Frank Catalanotto at the top of the lineup at various points last season. I think Gary Matthews Jr. batted leadoff once. Maximizing plate appearances for the team's best hitters: very cool. It's amazing that something so elementary is worthy of celebration, but here we are. Thank you to Terry Collins planning a not-insane lineup -- hopefully it sticks.

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Wow, it isnt retarded.

Very odd feeling.

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by NetsMets4Life on Jan 16, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions

so wait

Angel Pagan is playing second base and Beltran is playing first?

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by metsguy234 on Jan 16, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions 20 recs

Jerryball at it's finest

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 16, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions

Green'd

by Evan_S on Jan 16, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions

hahaha

METS JETS NETS LAKERS

Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.

by YoungMoney24 on Jan 16, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions

Not perfect

But pretty good.

by EtSuKe on Jan 16, 2011 12:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Basically a classic conventional-wisdom lineup

Normally, the ability to successfully implement boring conventional wisdom doesn’t impress me, but then I remember Jerry…

by psiogen on Jan 17, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions

Looks good.

Depending on how Bay and Ike start their seasons, I’d maybe switch things up a bit.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 16, 2011 1:29 PM EST reply actions

Think about this

When was the last time that, of the first 6 guys in a Mets lineup, none had a last name that ended with a vowel? I bet it was years ago.

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by MookieTheCat on Jan 16, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions

You got something against Italians?

by Evan_S on Jan 16, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions

Wait

Carlos Delgado was Italian?

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by Ownbey4Mex on Jan 16, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions

Touche

by Evan_S on Jan 16, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions

He's not?

I always thought he was Sicilian ….

by brooklynlou on Jan 16, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions

It's a great start

But I’m still hoping that one day, some manager will try the lineup suggested by a computer.

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by Aidan Gibson on Jan 16, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions

I tend to mistrust computers

That load banner ads but not the actual page in question. Just sayin’

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by MookieTheCat on Jan 16, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions

that is one of the first steps of computers taking over the world

after baseball lineups, next thing you know they will be competing on jeopardy!

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jan 16, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs

Haha, rec'd

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by Hasan Paliwala on Jan 16, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions

Using that tool (1998-2002 version) with Bill James projections:

Among the lineups that show up at the top with the highest runs/game at 5.160, this one lines the most up with conventional wisdom (still very different):

Wright
Beltran
Thole
Davis
Bay
Pagan
Reyes
Pitcher Slot
Castillo

Bill James really, really likes Ike Davis, though.

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by CajoleJuice on Jan 16, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions

I like this one

not so much Castillo, but batting 9th, hmmm

the one Collins is talking about is very boring and discouraging to say the least

same old same old wont get er done

yell at Jerry all you want, but you can’t make gold out of spit and glue

by Cary K on Jan 17, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions

That line-up has a lot more than spit and glue in it.

Jerry, he’d take a dump on the spit and glue that is there, making it worse.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 17, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

I put in Castillo because I am pessimistic

I think Murphy would probably also end up there if it were him anyway, though.

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by CajoleJuice on Jan 17, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions

Boring and discouraging?

Better than mindboggling and dumb.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 17, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs

painfully true

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by CajoleJuice on Jan 17, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions

Using last years numbers ('09 for Murphy):

1. Jason Bay
2. Ike Davis
3. Angel Pagan
4. David Wright
5. Carlos Beltran
6. Daniel Murphy
7. Jose Reyes
8 .RA Dickey
9. Josh Thole

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jan 16, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions

It scores 4.871 runs per game

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jan 16, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions

At least one of the new NL East managers are smart...

It sounds like Jason Heyward won’t be batting until the 6th spot, and Nate McLouth will be batting 2nd. Someone shoot me.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 16, 2011 2:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Wow

Is Fredi Gonzalez insane?

What's that about?

by Brian. on Jan 16, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions

I really, really, really hope not.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 16, 2011 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

It sounds like Jason Heyward won’t be batting until the 6th spot

Don’t want that .393 OBP clogging up the bases at the top of the lineup.

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by D4P on Jan 16, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

The fact that he has the 2nd best pitch recognition on the team also wouldn’t work well in the 2-hole either…

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 16, 2011 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Even after Cox had him in the 2 spot or most of last year?

wow.

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by Ogre39666 on Jan 16, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions

That’s what I’m saying.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 16, 2011 11:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

I would have a better feeling about this if Jose Reyes didn't have an OBP of .321 last year.

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jan 16, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions

You gotta trust he'll get his BB% back up to 8-10%

Then he’ll be on base around .355-.360

by Evan_S on Jan 16, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

Wow this is great news.

I really liked the reyes-pagan 1-2 punch the like 3 times Jerry was fooled into not batting 2bman second. The speed combo could be lethal.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 16, 2011 3:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions

I'm afraid of this line up!

PUT THE RIGHTY LEFTY ALTERNATION IN THE LINE UP = WINS!?!?!?

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jan 16, 2011 4:12 PM EST reply actions

It depends how Carlos does

because otherwise I kinda did like Davis in the 4th spot.

John Franco (shoulda been) HOF 2011

by JoeBighead on Jan 16, 2011 5:41 PM EST reply actions

So, Duda will bat 7th.

If Emaus shows a good OBP, would Collins consider moving him to the 9th spot?

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by Michkin on Jan 16, 2011 7:14 PM EST reply actions

One step at a time

I’ll mail Collins a copy of ‘The Book’

by James Kannengieser on Jan 16, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions

OMG

the mets will get 90 wins this year with this lineup! Teh most aw3s0m3st lineup with no offense in the backend zZzZzZzZzZzZ

by Wei on Jan 16, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions

"Spreading out the lineup" is bad strategy.

You want your best hitters getting the most plate appearances.

What's that about?

by Brian. on Jan 16, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions

BUT THE LINEUP WITH THE BLACK HOLES

John Olerud, Hall of Famer. Got a nice ring to it.

by squid92 on Jan 16, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions

Oh no.

I just realized Jerry sounds like Terry.

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by NetsMets4Life on Jan 16, 2011 8:18 PM EST reply actions

my god

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jan 16, 2011 8:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Sign of the times.

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by NetsMets4Life on Jan 16, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions

Stop it

by James Kannengieser on Jan 16, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Twas a joke?

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by NetsMets4Life on Jan 16, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions

Oh I know

by James Kannengieser on Jan 16, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions

Seriously

This is not a joking matter.

by SuperT on Jan 16, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions

Okay fine.

My bad…shouldnt have said “oh no”

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by NetsMets4Life on Jan 16, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions

I lobby we call him Terrence, then.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 17, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions

bench coach phillip?

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Jan 17, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions

Burned

Beef and lamb, chicken and ham.

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by MookieTheCat on Jan 18, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions

Hey, That's my name

No one else can claim it

"Who’s on Second?"
"Right."
"Wright’s on Second?"
"No, Wright’s on Third."
"Then Who’s on Second?"
"Yup."
"Yup WHAT?!"
"Hu’s on Second."
"THAT’S WHAT I ASKED!!!!"

by EMSfan9 on Jan 18, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions

I know Pagan is a great #2

but does anyone else think Josh Thole’s skill set would make him a decent alternate for the 2 spot? (granted, he still hasn’t seen a large amount of MLB pitching)

"..."

by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Jan 17, 2011 2:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

Yes

Considering his skillset (plate discipline and bat control) and SSS what he did against Strasburg (every at bat he fouled tons of pitches, forcing him to throw more on a strict pitch count, leaving the game early). There is still some uncertainty of what OBP Thole would put up in a full season as the primary catcher to move him up in the order.

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by Michkin on Jan 17, 2011 2:46 AM EST up reply actions