Mets Deal With Chris Young Is Complete
Skyscraping RHP Chris Young has apparently passed his physical because his deal with the Mets is now considered official. Jon Heyman says the deal is for $1.1 million guaranteed and Adam Rubin adds that the total value of the contract could reach $4.5 million after playing time incentives.
I wrote a bit about Young's pronounced home/road splits here, so go check that out for more info on the new guy.
With Mike Pelfrey pegged for the Opening Day start, the Mets rotation shapes up something like this:
Mike Pelfrey
R.A. Dickey
Jon Niese
Chris Capuano
Chris Young
Dillon Gee
This signing clearly hurts Gee's chances of making the team out of spring training. If Capuano and Young are both healthy I'd expect them to make the starting five when camp breaks in early April.
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That depth will come in handy
Gee will still make at least 10 starts this year, even with Johan coming back.
p.s. Does Misch still have options?
he's better suited
for a long relief role anyway..
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Jan 20, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Matches up well with the Phillies' Big Four
Wait, what?
True enough
I probably sound like one of those complainers that wants us to buy four aces every off-season. I’m not. I lament where we are now, but understand how we got there — dumb, impulsive purchases, little emphasis on the draft, and a poorly run farm system. All will take time to refurbish. But I do think that this rotation has the potential to be quite good if a lot of “if’s” fall in their favor. That’s more than you can say for some teams.
as unlikely as it first seemed,
Capuano could end up being the LHer in the pen if Gee and Young pitch well…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 20, 2011 11:51 AM EST reply actions
Young has by far the most upside
(both literally and figuratively) of anyone in the bubble-group; if he’s healthy, he has to get a shot in the rotation. If Gee gets sent down in the numbers game, so be it – never hurts to have depth and it’s not like Gee was so outstanding in the minors that he should be guaranteed a spot.
by dontstopbelieving on Jan 20, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions
I think a better picture of Young
one without “HOME RUN” behind him…..
would go a long way towards making people comfortable.
Maybe he hit the home run
and just decided to stroll to the center of the diamond and put his regular cap on.
And grip a baseball like he's getting ready to pitch to the next batter?
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 20, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
He hit a HR, ran to 1B, got his regular cap from the 1B coach, ran to 2B, then ran to the OF to get the tossed ball, then ran to 3B, signed an autograph at the 3B line, then went home for the day.
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by Michkin on Jan 20, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How do we know it's a ball?
It could be his batting glove, or a hot dog wrapper.
I think what we're seeing is a picture of Young
just after he ripped the head off of a Shane Victorino bobblehead.
Perhaps this picture will make everyone feel more comfortable.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 20, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs
It's not as awful as I usually like my Photoshops
but the laziness more than makes up for it.
Beautiful
Just beautiful.
And it proves that this guy is an out machine.
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by MookieTheCat on Jan 20, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Good lord
My eyes! Well done
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jan 20, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, he hit one in 2008.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/youngch03-bat.shtml
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Actually, looking more closely
it may say “HOMF. RUN” We just don’t know.
Well, I think it's that the game was over.
The full, unedited text says “GO HOME, RUN THERE” and underneath it says, too small to see in the picture, “Congratulations Chris Young on Pitching a Great Game!”
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Jan 20, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Except for that home run he gave up.
But that was earlier.
Green'd
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by blueandorange4life on Jan 20, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it read
“WELCOME HOME, RUN DMC”
by CTRefJay on Jan 20, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I like it
Gee as development depth at AAA, Misch as longman depth in the pen, Santana on the horizon
Just curious
Suppose Cappy and Young are both injuried in early May: Who else gets placed in the rotation? We assume Gee for one of them. Is it Misch? Someone else I am forgetting about?
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
After Misch
I’d say Boof Bonser, then in the event of some kind of major plague, earthquake, or world war 3, Tobi Stoner, Bobby Parnell, and Oliver Perez.
by TheBigStapler on Jan 20, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently Hairston's is a ML deal...
that being the case, 2 spots will have to be cleared on the 40. Tick tock, Luis… tick tock…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 20, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions
Yes, off with King Luis' head please
Rip that thing off like a band aid and don’t look back.
Realistically
I see only one of Young or Capuano making the starting day rotation. Why? Based on their recent past, I only think one of them will make it out of spring training w/o their arm in a sling. I bet that they both will pitch at the same time during some point throughout the season. I would love to be wrong about this cuz it would be a formidable rotation w/ both capuano and young pitching to their potential, niese and pelfrey giving us similar performances to their first half of the seasons from last year, and dickey being dickey.
Therefore, i think gee earns the last spot with misch, bonser, and stoner (in that order) pitching in the minors w/ cell phones in their pockets waiting their call-up
Stoner's all but gone, Bonser's not a starter.
It’s going to get ugly.
Mets pitching rotation is awful
Mets will be in last place this year
dude
you’re reading it upside down.
-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan
by Ceetar on Jan 20, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1st overall draft pick
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Wow!
You're a true optimist!
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 20, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Don't feed them
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Jan 20, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah thanks for telling us.
Greatly appreciated.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 20, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think a single person on this website has high expectations for the Mets this season
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
How long till the Mets have to DFA someone?
They’re at 41 or 42 guys on the 40 man roster depending on if Hairston has a minor league deal or not.
He has a major league deal.
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Hairston actually has a minor league deal
I haven’t seen anything official yet on Young’s deal, but when it does become official they’ll need to DFA someone
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 20, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather see LOLlie cut first
Castillo is a decent human being who simply declined fast.
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Lollie might have a use as a LOOGY if a few pitchers get hurt
With Eamus, Murph, and Turner on board, Castillo doesn’t really have any sort of use
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 20, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ollie would have more value
As a left handed specialist as his numbers indicate that even with the dropoff in his stuff he has one of the best opposing batting avgs against lefties. Castillo is more of a deadball era type and many of the nuances of the game he brings to the table are not valued in the overall organizational plan. I see Murph/Emaus and Hu as the middle infield backup along with Harris for 2nd base at least.
by The real Julio from Paterson on Jan 21, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
From mets.com
The Mets on Thursday also officially announced the signing of outfielder Scott Hairston to a Major League contract. To make room for those two, they must drop two players off their 40-man roster, a process they intend to complete by the end of the day. Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo, who are expected in camp next month, do not appear to be among the candidates.
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110117&content_id=16449304&vkey=news_nym&c_id=nym
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Hmph
Other sites are reporting it as a minor league deal within the past hour, such as Newsday
by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 20, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
This seems very weird to me
Who would you announce a signing to a Major League deal. It’s kind of the default choice. I just want to see the Cards announce that Albert Pujols has been signed to a Major League deal, just in case anyone was wondering.
Also, whoever checks Mets press releases doesn’t seem to have a keen eye for detail.
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by MookieTheCat on Jan 20, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
My guess would be
probably because most of us would have assumed the Hairston deal was a minor league deal. Thus it would make sense to distinguish it as a major league deal…
isn't Mets.com
a reliable enough source for you?
It never made sense that Scott Hairston would have to sign a minor league deal…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 20, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
They said they'd announce it tonight once they inform the person they have to DFA.
I imagine it going the way it did in The Office when Michael had to fire somebody on Halloween because he procrastinated for the entire month of October just so he wouldn’t have to do it.
Except for the fact that we have smart people in charge…so it’d probably go a lot smoother and quicker than that.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 20, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Michael's fake fire of
Stanley was classic.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 20, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be surprised to see Capuano make it
Just don’t think he’ll be able to go enough innings. Rooting for him though. It would be nice to have one more option there, other than Boofster.
Stoner and Pridie
unreal. The team CFO has made yet another team personnel decision. Either that or Sandy and PDP aren’t quite the crack team I had expected… it’s been shaping up that way so far…
jeez, and I had high hopes for this bunch…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 20, 2011 7:02 PM EST reply actions
Wait...what?
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 20, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah really...
you’d think they DFA’d David Wright and Jose Reyes with that overreaction.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 20, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
who'd have thought
the apologists would come out for sparing the release of Luis C…?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 20, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Luis and Ollie
Were never going to be cut before spring training. It would make sense that Sandy, Terry & Co. would want to make sure they had no value before doing away with them. Also, what does the CFO have to do with this? They DFA’d two expendable spare parts and ultimately the hit to the team, if any, will be negligable. This is a sensible move.
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by blueandorange4life on Jan 20, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
if SA and PDP don't
already know that Luis is completely useless and worthless as a MLer, then we are in trouble… but signs of trouble have been percolating…
and the apologists parade is growing…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 20, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
But they are expensive investments.
I’m pretty sure that it is the smart idea to make sure that those investments are truly poor instead of just throwing them by the wayside without thinking. You’d be a terrible General Manager.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 20, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh come on, they didn't go out and pick up Emaus and Harris
while already having Murphy, Turner, Havens and Valderspin if they really expected Castillo to be on the team. Ollie will be cut if they sign a LOOGY which is the only thing left for them to do at this point.
He'll be gone before the season starts
And people aren’t apologists if they’re not flipping out over the loss of two AAA-filler at best players.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
why delay
the inevitable? See, you are just fishing around for more excuses.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 20, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Because they're trying to recoup any smidgen of value out of the two corpses, no matter how hopeless it may be
Also, you’re not going to make any friends here by calling people “apologists”. This is easily the most objective, level-headed Mets site on the Web.
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if I need to supress my objectivity in order
to be liked here, then I don’t need the add’l friends. thnx though.
as far as LC goes, you are either fantasizing or in deep denial if you think there’s any value to squeeze from him.
I guess it was premature of us to think that this franchise wouldn’t continue to waste roster spots on mistakes of such magnitude… looks like we were wrong about that.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 20, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
But they're not wasting roster spots yet!
Do Jason Pridie and Tobi Stoner have more value than Perez and Castillo? Other than their inexpensiveness, no they do not. If Ollie and Castillo are on the roster undeservingly on opening day then yes, I will readjust my stance. However, the plan from the beginning was always that they would be in spring training next month. I don’t know where you’ve been or where you’ve stuck your head for the past 3 months but I just don’t understand how we could be so ignorant of the plans that were in place since Alderson took over and then go on to complain about them.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 20, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
what's the purpose of him going to ST?
please don’t regurgitate the fantasy that the Mets could recoup a couple of bucks for him when someone’s 2Bman gets injured in ST… Doh! Why would any other team trade anything to the Mets for LC when everyone and their mother know the Mets are going to release him in ST? Right? isn’t that what you’re saying has been the “plan” for a while now?
Now try to use some logic and explain what purpose LC serves to go to PSL if he’s not going to make it out with the team?
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 21, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
You know what?
Why does it really matter if they cut him today or on March 31st? Is there anything dire or detrimental to the team that they are blocking? Personally, I would’ve dumped Castillo and Perez nearly a year ago but Alderson obviously wants to take a look at them in spring training to make sure that he’s not tossing out something useful. They likely aren’t going to be useful but I think it is a wise idea to be absolutely sure you are making the correct decision when you’re throwing 18 million down the tubes.
It’s not like they are throwing away useful players here…Pridie and Stoner are likely to clear waivers and be NRI’s to spring training and even if they don’t…oh well. They’re depth in the form of them being humans with pulses. Like I said…if Perez and Castillo are on the opening day roster then I will change my stance. But I feel that on January 21st, it’s a little early to be judging this matter considering there’s nothing forcing them to make the move other than fan pressure.
Quite frankly, I see no way that either is on the team…you’ve got Emaus, Murphy and Turner along with Luis Hernandez and Chin-Lung Hu going for 2B and lefties like Tankersley, Byrdak, O’Connor, Roy Merritt and Misch going for the LOOGY slot (and he’s got no chance at the rotation since it’s filled). I’d be surprised if they dump all of those guys for Castillo and Perez to make the roster.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 21, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
the point is very simple...
Pridie and even Stoner may be able to contribute something to the organization and Luis Castillo never will (or so I thought)… you keep saying so yourself… that he has no chance of making it out of ST. Until now I would definitely agree with that… but now that Castillo has survived this cut, I think we can no longer say for sure that he won’t make the team, as crazy as that sounds.
Whether or not Pridie or Stoner get claimed by other organizations is beside the point… the point was why take the risk when there is nothing to be gained by keeping Castillo who we all acknowledge is worthless? Every answer I’ve seen to this is just another contrived excuse along the lines of, “well it’s Sandy the Great’s call so it must be the right thing…”
Furthermore, I don’t know how someone can be sure Pridie wont get claimed… we actually claimed him 2 years ago when he was put on waivers… the guy represents CF depth at Buffalo. and Stoner is really no less a pitcher than the other 8 or 9 warm bodies that are vying for the last 2 or 3 spots in the pen… so, while it’s prob less likely he’ll get claimed it still doesn’t answer the core question which is why subject him to waivers when it’s absolutely clear that Castillo can’t possibly make the team?
The answer is either that someone above Sandy in the corporate hierarchy made the call or Sandy did… and in either case, the decision is a pretty misguided one. Will it end up being a big deal in the big pix? very likely not… but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be objective in analyzing it.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 21, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Our opinion doesn't matter here.
Sandy wants a look at these guys with his own two eyes before he sets them free. That’s a lot of money to toss away, so he probably wants to be absolutely sure and see them in spring training. Perhaps you’d be quick to toss 18 million in the garbage quickly but Sandy probably wants to be thorough in his decision.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 21, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
you're joking, right?
why would they have to look at him play when his numbers already do all the talking?
I’m not even being facetious. Even in the extreme case that SA/PDP don’t know what Luis Castillo is all about (he’s only been in the bigs for 15 seasons), then they have all the data they’d need to make the appropriate call on this. But we already know that they’re aware of what he can do since theyve already said that he’s too limited as a player to be on the team in a reserve role, so it’s either win the 2B job or he’s gone…
so as long as he’s going to ST, maybe we have to accept that Castillo does have a real shot at going north with the team again…. cause if he truly has no chance at going north, then there is no reason for him to be going to PSL.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 21, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Is there really any harm in bringing them to camp, though?
The money’s gone no matter what, so why not see if it’s at all possible to get anything for it?
I am willing to wait to build a world class franchise (h/t to millsy)
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 21, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, plenty of others who need to
be seen playing in PSL… no need to see anything more from LC… we know all there is to know about him.
not to mention that letting him go now gives him an opportunity to find another gig.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 21, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Are you Castillo's agent?
Quite honestly, who cares if he gets another gig? He’s employed by the Mets for 6 million this year whether he’s on the roster or not. They’ll bring him into camp to evaluate him one more time.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 21, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
There are plenty of AB's to go around in ST.
There are multiple fields and tons of batting cages. Castillo getting a final look isn’t going to retard Murphy or Emaus’ development.
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The Mets need to see how fast Castillo is
If he is the same speed, or slower, I imagine that he won’t last long. If he somehow managed to regain some of his old speed, then he should get a close look.
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We keep saying Castillo is worthless when in reality, it isn't actually true.
He’s still an above replacement level player. Yes, that’s a pitiful return for $6M but that money is spent either way. Pridie is unnecessary with Hariston, Harris, and Feliciano. He’s also 27. If he was ever going to become a player who could contribute to a MLB team, he likely would have done it already.
And Stoner is by far the least likely pitcher among the MiLB’er and FA’s to contribute at all, let alone contribute positively.
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uh,
have you seen the list of pitchers who’ll be competing for the last 3 spots in the bullpen?
But the bigger issue is believing Castillo is not worthless…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 21, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Last time I checked putting up >0 WAR's is the definition of non-worthless.
Is it a horrible return on investment? Absolutely, but the money is spent either way.
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if that's what you need to lean on
to make your case, it’s pretty weak. Why not just come out and say, bringing LC to PSL is ridiculous… and even indicates that things may not have changed as much as we wanted them to…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 21, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
It seems as if every argument you make
when somebody else answers you back, all you do is stick your fingers in your ears and say “lalalalala I can’t hear you…Luis sucks, Alderson sucks, conspiracy theories abound!!!”
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 21, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For all the shit Castillo (deservingly) gets
he did manage to put up 0.6 WAR last season (and 1.6 the year before).
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how exactly is it
objective if some/many are unable to criticize Sandy the Great?
In fact this sounds exactly like a decision Omar used to get destroyed for…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 21, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Just calling him "Sandy the Great" makes me think that
you have had a bone to pick with him from the beginning and finally this is your big chance to shit all over him. Am I right in my assessment? Are you anti-saber or something and are finally glad that the “nerds” are doing something wrong to verify your point? Or are you like Greg Pomes and pissed that Terry Collins was hired as manager over the wildly under qualified Wally Backman?
Listen…we criticized Omar because in the last 2-3 seasons of his regime because we were tired of the terrible moves and we knew the guy was in way over his head for a while. Minaya didn’t use any sort of factual base toward picking up players, other than “oh I’ve heard of Jeff Francoeur…he was on the SI cover 5 years ago…let’s pick him up! He must be great!” We destroyed Minaya not only for keeping Castillo and Perez but also for initially signing Castillo and Perez. Those signings from day one were ridiculously awful, we bashed them then and we continued to bash them until Minaya was fired. From 2007-10, Minaya put together a number of very flawed teams and we were sick of the one big signing and nothing else method. We’re not saying that Sandy is the alpha and the omega here…sure, we like what he’s done thus far for the most part and he’s preached positively in regards to the minor leagues, drafting overslot, the payroll, etc. The point is that this is still the initial phase of Alderson’s tenure. It makes no sense to judge the guy until we see his plan in action and that doesn’t happen until games are played on the field.
But I guess some people are really impatient and have an agenda that they have to go out and fulfill. There’s no reason at this point to criticize him yet. Like I said, if they are on the Opening Day roster come April 1st or whenever the season starts, then I’ll reconsider my stance. Until then, I’ll trust Alderson’s decision because I have no reason not to.
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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 21, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
it's not impatient,
it’s a matter of being objective with each decision as it comes. Some people are evidently not going to be objective and instead look for every excuse to justify every Sandy decision.
and relax, I wanted SA here as much as anyone and just threw out a Sandy the Great in jest. I’ve had no bone to pick with him but this matter makes my spidey sense tingle.
Regarding Omar, I was referring directly to calls to release LC and LOLlie going back a year for which Omar took heat. Now, Sandy had the opportunity to do the right thing for the team while also sending a message and he whiffed… and the many Sandyites who want LC and OP out of here are coming up with wild contrivances to justify his decision to keep them (especially Luis).
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 21, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
we’re judging each decision or move as it occurs… simple concept.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 21, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Simple concept that is too simple
Judging each decision or transaction, without knowledge of the internal decision making process, will lead to judgements made out of context.
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"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
With Hariston and Harris, Pridie became unnecessary.
And Stoner is unlikely to ever contribute in a positive manner. I’d rather have Carrasco, Boof, or even Del La De La Torre start before him.
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Out of curiousity,
could the front office have DFA’d both Ollie and Castillo like they did to Igarashi? No other team would pick them up, they’d be off the roster and then could be NRI’s to ST.
I was wondering the same.
Perhaps there’s some sort of clause in their contracts that doesn’t let them do it, or maybe as part of the DFA process they have to be optioned and they can likely refuse those options due to their service time (whereas Igarashi still has options and didn’t have the service time to be able to refuse demotion, so he just had to take it).
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