Rays Sign Manny Ramirez, Johnny Damon
by Eric Simon on Jan 21, 2011 8:35 PM EST
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PrintPending physicals, the Rays have added Johnny Damon ($5.25 million) and Manny Ramirez ($2 million) to help offset a bit of what they lost when Carl Crawford broke north for Boston. My gut tells me that Manny kinda stunk last year, but the data says he had a .382 wOBA and a 138 OPS+. Damon actually did have a down year in 2010, but he had a .376 wOBA in 2009 and a .373 wOBA in 2008.
In other news, the Mets will introduce Chin-lung Hu, who has a career .227 wOBA, at a Citi Field press conference on Wednesday.
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Buy that mansion.
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
by TradeAndruw on Jan 22, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Reflects the change in the real estate market
Since paperman’s post.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Jan 22, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
talk about real estate losing value
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Jan 22, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
They may have gotten a bargain with Manny, but $5 million for Damon seems like an overpay
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Split the difference
and $7.5 million for both doesn’t seem so bad. Combined it’s about a third of Crawford’s average annual salary.
The Red Sox are clearly the best team in the AL and the Phillies are the best overall
but the Rays are trying to go for it and it might pay off
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Rays are not in a win now mode going for it
they are set up with all the draft picks this yr combined with the stocked farm already to being a contender every year for the next decade. O and that’s with a $30 million dollar pay role
That's very true Tampa is definitely a model organization
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Ugh
Not happy about Manny being a Ray at ALL! The guy doesn’t take the game serious at all. He’s a joke.
He's also still better than almost every other hitter in baseball.
Seriousness > performance?
Kicking knowledge in the face.
good thing they're only paying him 2 million
He could earn that in a month, anyway.
Kicking knowledge in the face.
Wow,
that’s a steal for the Rays. Maybe they’ll be in the 2011 AL East race after all.
What's that about?
HELLO HELLO MR. WILPON!
The Rays just bought the Mansion
In lobby for: Jaime Cevallos, Zack Lutz, orange unis
The Unwritten Rules of AA
by Michkin on Jan 21, 2011 8:59 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Rec'd.
John Franco (shoulda been) HOF 2011
Double that Rec'd.
Comment of the night.
by MetsFan4Decades on Jan 21, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Crap. Ignore my above post.
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
by TradeAndruw on Jan 22, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Is Damon the condo?
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
by Kevin H on Jan 22, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damon is the guest house
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
I've always liked Manny
despite his cocky, self-absorbed, HGH-taking ways.
I wish him luck.
John Franco (shoulda been) HOF 2011
He must've took a little less to play for the Rays, right?
Just to stick it to BoSox and maybe the Yanks too? I can’t imagine Texas or some other AL team w/o a DH saw Manny for $3M and thought not worth it!
Rays will have character
with both of these “unwanted” guys. Both will fit in extremely well, and Manny will be hanging around Gulfport.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
Off Topic:
Why the hell did the Angels trade for Vernon Wells?
That doesn’t seem to make up for not signing Crawford, Beltre, and Soriano.
If things go the right way, the Yankees could be fighting the Blue Jays for third.
And that would be awesome.
I am willing to wait to build a world class franchise (h/t to millsy)
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 21, 2011 10:39 PM EST reply actions
If everything really goes right, the Mets could finish with a better record than the Yankees
We may not make the playoffs, but that would be a small victory.
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
So their lineup looks something like?:
1. BJ Upton CF
2. Ben Zobrist SS
3. Evan Longoria 3B
4. Manny Ramirez DH
5. Sean Rodriguez 2B
6. John Jaso C
7. Johnny Damon LF
8. Dan Johnson/Chris Carter 1B
9. Desmond Jennings RF
Save Jenrry Mejia!
I'd rather hit Damon/Carter/Jennings higher in the lineup
and Rodriguez later.
Yeah, I just looked at his FanGraphs page and his 99 wRC+ last season.
So move Jaso (117 wRC+) and Damon (112 wRC+) up to #5 and 6 and Rodriguez down to #7.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Desmond might not break camp right away with
Brignac at SS and Zobrist palying all around. Look for S-Rod to have a huge yr with getting everyday AB’s.
They have an all glove/no bat type prospect that will be starting at SS this year.
Zobrist will probably play RF in the beginning part of the year before Jennings comes up and than Z will replace whoever sucks the most.
I was thinking they'd want to maximize Zobrist's bat by putting him back at the MI.
Maybe 2B with Rodriguez as the super sub?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
You'd think, but they keep playing him in the corner OF spots the last 2 years.
If I was GM, i’d stick him at 2B and just sign vets on their last legs to play like Damon.
Manny loses all of his value
when he doesn’t play RF
"..."
by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Jan 22, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
Don't you mean LF?
He hasn’t played in right since 2002.
I am willing to wait to build a world class franchise (h/t to millsy)
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 22, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
And,arguably, he hasn't played left field either.
Ba-doom!
2010 Mets: 81-81 Pythagorean record. 656 Runs Scored, 652 Runs Allowed.
Damn You, Manuelllllllllllllllllllllll!!!
so in the same day the rays paid a whopping 7.5 million combined for
Manny and Damon…and the Angels trade Napoli for Vernon Wells and his trolololcontract.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
Damon has 2541 hits as of his age 36 season. I don't see him playing as well the next three years
as he has for the last three, but it would make him the first 3000 hit guy not to make the Hall. Well, not counting
Holy Crap. The Blue Jays apparently just traded Vernon Wells and the 4/84 left on his deal to the Angels for two useful players, and they only picked up $5m in salary. And we couldn’t get a bag of balls for Luis Castillo? Alex A just jumped about five spots in the GM rankings.
2010 Mets: 81-81 Pythagorean record. 656 Runs Scored, 652 Runs Allowed.
Damn You, Manuelllllllllllllllllllllll!!!
Bill James gives him a 57% chance to reach 3,000.
And for the record, Palmeiro is the first 3,000 hit club member to not make the Hall.
I am willing to wait to build a world class franchise (h/t to millsy)
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 22, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing not counting Palmeiro was the unfinished thought
since Palmeiro would be in if not for roid speculation, and Damon has none.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
Yeah, I didn't see that when I read it.
I am willing to wait to build a world class franchise (h/t to millsy)
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 22, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't count Palmy out. He has well over a decade to make it,
during which time we’ll discover that L’il Orphan Annie, Snoopy, and Captain Fistpump were all PEDing.
For the record, he wouldn’t be the first 3,000 hit guy not to make it on the first or first several ballots.
And, Pete Rose.
2010 Mets: 81-81 Pythagorean record. 656 Runs Scored, 652 Runs Allowed.
Damn You, Manuelllllllllllllllllllllll!!!
True, he's got time on his side.
But he’s got a lot more working against him: there’s a ton of excellent candidates coming on the ballot starting in 2013, many of whom don’t have the stigma of steroids. Also, he’s got a lot of ground to make up, in terms of votes. He only drew 11% support this year, far less than you’d expect for a guy with his numbers. He and McGwire really are the litmus tests for steroid users, both known and suspected. McGwire actually dropped this year, and the only thing that changed with him is that he admitted he used steroids. It looks like neither of them is actually getting in, and once one member of the 3,000 hit club doesn’t get in, it becomes a lot easier for voters to rationalize not electing another.
I am willing to wait to build a world class franchise (h/t to millsy)
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 22, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
We'll have to see how the voters treat the first "clean" 500 HR hitters
who come up for election, but at this point I think if you’re clean and have 500 you’re likely to get in without needing a future veteran’s committee.
2010 Mets: 81-81 Pythagorean record. 656 Runs Scored, 652 Runs Allowed.
Damn You, Manuelllllllllllllllllllllll!!!
Forgot about Rose.
He’s a different case, in that he’s never been allowed on the ballot, due to his suspension. So technically, he doesn’t count in this discussion, since the writers have never been able to make a judgment on him.
I am willing to wait to build a world class franchise (h/t to millsy)
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 22, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
It's remarkable how little support he got given his stats.
Ten years ago I wouldn’t have guessed at all that the writers would treat roiders this harshly. I’ll be interested to see how it affects otherwise inner circle guys like Bonds and Rodriguez, and borderline candidates like Pettitte. With Palmiero a voter can cough up the excuse he wasn’t a peak candidate, or that McGwire was one-dimensional, if he doesn’t want to come out with an anti-PEDs statement. With Bonds or Rodriguez if you’re not going to vote for them there’s only one reason.
2010 Mets: 81-81 Pythagorean record. 656 Runs Scored, 652 Runs Allowed.
Damn You, Manuelllllllllllllllllllllll!!!
True, you can argue that Palmiero wasn't a peak candidate,
more of a decent hitter who stuck around a long time. But McGwire wasn’t a one-dimensional character; he drew over 1300 walks in his career. His OBP was 131 points higher than his average.
I am willing to wait to build a world class franchise (h/t to millsy)
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 24, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Agree on McGwire. My point was only that a writer who didn't want him in
could make that kind of claim. He’s actually not a lock at all, even without the PEDs issue, at least not by the historical standards of the HOF. Dick Allen is a good comp, a patient slugger with a short career who doesn’t benefit from his fielding. There are a lot of guys with McGwire’s career WAR who haven’t or won’t sniff the Hall. Lofton had a more valuable career, according to bWAR, and he’ll probably drop off the ballot his first year.
2010 Mets: 81-81 Pythagorean record. 656 Runs Scored, 652 Runs Allowed.
Damn You, Manuelllllllllllllllllllllll!!!
That's a good deal for the Rays
They’re paying Manny $2m to hit.
He only needs to get .5 WAR to make it not a sunk cost
Squeezed to Song and Bendtner and Song and Nasri oh lovely lovely lovely!
-Peter Drury, the one time his commentating has ever been acceptable.
All money spent is a sunk cost, though I understand the point.
Even so, spending 2m on a DH who, if he spends the entire season in the lineup and gives you only half a win in 700 PAs, has other costs associated with that, such as not getting better production from someone else, not being able to rotate the DH spot through any number of players and getting them more rest, not getting optimal matchups, not giving a prospect on the job training, and so on. If you knew ahead of time, for instance, that Manny would give you half a win in 2011, you’d never sign him.
2010 Mets: 81-81 Pythagorean record. 656 Runs Scored, 652 Runs Allowed.
Damn You, Manuelllllllllllllllllllllll!!!
Chin Lung Nick Evans?
John Franco (shoulda been) HOF 2011
by JoeBighead on Jan 23, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Manny Damon
Funny. Was this a publicity stunt by the Rays? Fans rarely come to the games as it is anyhow. What makes them think that two has-beens are gonna make fans wanna come now?
Whatever; another small-market team can’t keep the majority of the talent they have because they can’t afford it along w/not being able to agree on where to put a new stadium…yet, they’ll probably finish w/a better record than we well.
Bizarro world indeed.
Fantasy baseball just around the corner.
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 23, 2011 9:04 PM EST reply actions
kind of bizarre
that the Rays opted for Manny over Vlad… if I were Friedman, I wouldn’t want Manny to get anywhere near BJUpton…
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 24, 2011 10:12 AM EST reply actions
I can't imagine it'll
take much more to sign Vlad now… there don’t seem to be many options left for him unfortunately.
by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 24, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well yeah, after Manny signs for $2M, Vlad doesn't have much ground to stand on if he was asking for a lot more than that.
But we don’t know how much he was asking for. We do know Manny was okay with $2M. We also don’t know if Guerrero wants to leave the Rangers or go to the east coast.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
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