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Flawed Farm Applesauce - Mets have poorly ranked system, Viola to Brooklyn, Hu introduced

So weird.


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We all knew that the Met farm system was a weak spot for this organization; years of underpaying prospects have apparently come back to bite them with a poorly ranked crop. There are several silver linings beyond this being just one man's list. For example, Patrick Flood points out that some key pieces of the farm system don't qualify for the evaluation because they have recently been promoted. Ted Berg thinks that the Mets may have stuck to the slotting system in order to land an All-Star game. Moneyball Mets thinks the ranking is unfair and names 10 underrated prospects in the system.

Star-divide

Johan Santana has been cleared by medical people to begin throwing, but he hasn't yet

More organizational hirings to pass along: Frank Viola has been named the Brooklyn pitching coach.

Omar Minaya remains under contract with the Mets, but hasn't spoken to Sandy in awhile. Alderson says that he has a job ready for Minaya as soon as he wants it.

In one of the more bizarre scenes that I can remember, the Mets held a press conference to announce the signing of Chin-Iung Hu. Ted Berg clarifies it a little for me by speculating that this is to generate some Asian press buzz.

Good luck to John Maine as he begins auditioning for a role on another team.

Jason Bay isn't yet ITBSOHL, but he's ready to go.

Purple Row, a Rockies blog, offers a pretty pessimistic review of new Met reliever Taylor Buchholz.

And, finally, Howard Megdal does some great work refuting Murray Chass's bacne/Piazza garbage.

Around MLB

Jayson Stark posts about the Albert Pujols/Cardinals negotiations, speculating that Pujols will re-sign with St. Louis.

The Padres unveiled their new camouflage uniforms which are so good that they might actually keep people from seeing the Padres.

Craig Calcaterra gives a good lawyer story when responding to Mike Maroth's retirement.

Rocco Baldelli has retired. The 29 year old outfielder makes us all ask what might have been?

The Yankees have solved their pitching problem, signing Bartolo Colon... The Yankees could have been well served by the Met pitching acquisition strategy this offseason.

Speaking of former Cy Young award winners, Brandon Webb is selling used cars with his brother in Kentucky.

Tyler Kepner talked to Gil Meche about his recent surprise retirement and learned that Meche didn't want to take $12 million that he didn't feel he earned.

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Frank Viola in Brooklyn

If he is effective at teaching pitching, this could be a great move.

"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier

by Russ on Jan 27, 2011 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

Early morning brain fart

I thought that he was named manager. Anywho, this sounds like a good move.

"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier

by Russ on Jan 27, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Rocco really had some tough luck

he looked like a rising allstar.

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Jan 27, 2011 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

The most amazing thing about the Rays is even on top of all their home grown studs.

They had Baldelli with his freak illness, Josh Hamilton with his drug problems and Elijah Dukes and his personal issues.

by FrancoTAU on Jan 27, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Berg's take

I’m not sure that I totally buy the “we stuck with slot players to help us get an All-Star game” theory. There are plenty of teams that go WAY above the slot and still get All-Star games. The easiest way to get an All-Star game is to build a fancy new stadium.

So yeah, that’s why we’re getting one. I don’t think it has anything to do with out adherence to the slotting recommendations.

by DannyMetsGeek on Jan 27, 2011 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

Definitely

The Mets sticking to slot for the All-Star Game is ridiculous. The team hasn’t seen a game since the 1960’s, we’d been getting shafted for too long anyway. Plus, they almost always go to whatever team builds a new stadium. If the Wilpons truly thought that sticking to slot would get them an all-star game, they are much dumber than I thought.

"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell

by Rey-O on Jan 27, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

considering all the things they've done

is that really that much dumber than they’ve appeared?

I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.

All he knows is the Nets.
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Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.

by Gina on Jan 27, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Hold on...

I thought the point Berg was making was that “we stuck with slot players to help us get an ASG” sounded a little too conspiracy-theory-ish to be believable. Maybe I misunderstood, though.

by JoshNY on Jan 27, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No sir, that's not poor.

That’s GANGSTA!

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The 2011 New York Mets: At least we don't have Omar and Jerry anymore

by R_Adragna on Jan 27, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Love the picture

Of Alderson putting a talis (thalit?) on Hu.

"But also, there are lockers… and it’s a room… so, I call it a locker room."
-Matthew Cuttandpasteone

by Dandy Salderson on Jan 27, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

i've actually seen a mets Talis being worn once.

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Jan 27, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Love it

Nothing portrays the seriousness and spirituality of a prayer garment quite like a giant bright blue and orange smiling picture of Mr. Met’s grinning face stitched on.

"But also, there are lockers… and it’s a room… so, I call it a locker room."
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by Dandy Salderson on Jan 27, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Alderson has a job for Omar?

Well, I did hear the organization had a janitor opening somewhere.

by Jonathan. on Jan 27, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Reading between the lines

Alderson seems to be saying “if you want to get paid, then you have to work.” If Omar fails to call him or respond to overtures offering work, then the Mets have a good argument for refusing to pay him. Having a deal and then being fired from one position doesn’t mean you can’t be compelled to do something similar to earn what is owed you.

Either that or Sandy’s just being nice.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Jan 27, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The Mets have made some bad contracts in recent years

But Omar’s four year extension post 2008 just might be the dumbest of them all.

"But also, there are lockers… and it’s a room… so, I call it a locker room."
-Matthew Cuttandpasteone

by Dandy Salderson on Jan 27, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we could trade Omar to the Angels ....

… they seem to be in a bad contract buying mood of late …

by brooklynlou on Jan 27, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Omar for Mike Scoscia?

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by MookieTheCat on Jan 27, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Alderson's job for Omar:

“You kill Oliver Perez, I give you $10,000.”

by JoshNY on Jan 27, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Gil Meche has my complete respect

Too bad about Baldelli, always liked the guy.

Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?

by KeithsMoustache on Jan 27, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Baldelli was an absolute stud

When he got drafted. Glad he’s going to continue to work for the Rays

by metsman07 on Jan 27, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Re. Meche

With all due respect to Tyler Kepner, Posnanski wrote about that a week ago.

(Is “Posnanski already wrote about that” the “Simpsons did it” of sports blogging?)

by JoshNY on Jan 27, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Only difference is that

Joe Pos isn’t jumping the shark at any point in time. I can guarantee that.

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The 2011 New York Mets: At least we don't have Omar and Jerry anymore

by R_Adragna on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone else think

that Hu’s presser was painfully awkward? I mean, I think Chin Ming Wang would have been a better candidate to stregnthen there presence in the asian market. Signing him would be worth a presser, not a utilty guy.

I have no problem bringing Hu to the Mets, but why bother with the dog and pony act. We aren’t that stupid, nor are the Taiwanese.

I am aware te Tedinator raised the same questions…

by Coolpapabell on Jan 27, 2011 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

and another thing

With Wandy Rodriguez off next year’s FA list, teh group grows even weaker. I look for the Yanks to offer an IMF loan sized bid for Yu Darvish.

by Coolpapabell on Jan 27, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

I have to wonder

if the deal with Citi includes some minimum number of press conferences per off-season so they can show that wrapping paper backdrop.

by tmu on Jan 27, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

I think Hu is actually a pretty good sleeper to have a real impact on this team...

I have very little to base it on, but I have a good feeling about Hu. His 2007 season was probably just a flash in the pan, but it does indicate there might be something there. I could definitely envision him emerging out abyss to be a major contributor, ala Dickey.

by irishmets on Jan 27, 2011 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

paying slot -- missed out on who?

I’m curious — are there specific people the mets failed to sign because they wouldn’t pay over slot? Is there anybody who is currently excelling in someone else’s farm system?

I’m sure it hasn’t helped their cause, but I’m curious if there’s measurable impact. Poor draft choices are easier to spot.

by versus on Jan 27, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

Since the slotting system began, it could be dozens of elite prospects

Its far worse than most people would think.

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"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier

by Russ on Jan 27, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well for the most part it's

poor draft choices due to the adherence to slot. The Mets would rather take a guy who they can pay slot but likely isn’t going to be as good, instead of taking the overslot player with more potential.

In terms of players they actually took and didn’t sign…look at their wasted picks in the 5th and 6th round of the 2009 draft. The 5th rounder Magnifico wasn’t a very good pick anyway so that’s a combination of poor drafting and not spending money but Buchanon was well regarded but the Mets didn’t want to pay the extra 100k or whatever it was going to take to get a deal done. You can certainly point to the fact that poor drafting was a factor in the system’s struggles but at the same time, they certainly have not spent adequate money…you can see it compared to other teams. And forget big market teams…they’re being way outspent by the small market teams these days. When your draft budget is so low, you can’t afford to make mistakes in the early rounds since you can’t make up for them by going overslot in the later rounds. With the draft budget they’ve had, it’s a small miracle that they’ve put out potential big leaguers like Murphy, Parnell, Niese, Davis and Thole over the past 2 years.

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by Steve Schreiber on Jan 27, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

While I agree with Howard Megdal's conclusion. . .

The article itself is either poorly written or is deceptively written. He makes a point of having each doctor say something along the lines of, “Among all my patients with back acne, very few are steroid users”. This statement is useless because most of the population in general do not use steroids. A more compelling statement is when one doctor says, “Even among my patients who are on steroids, 50 percent of them don’t suffer from back acne”. Well, that means that 50% of them do suffer from back acne.

I mean, bottom line, Murray Chass is an idiot who is drawing big conclusions from diagnoses he is making despite not being a doctor of medicine of any kind. It’s just that Megdal’s article doesn’t really say anything one way or the other. It’s just poor journalism, imo.

by s s on Jan 27, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

well the problem is Megdal can't conclusively prove Piazza didn't any more than Chass can prove that Piazza did

The point of Megdals article is simply to say that back acne is an incredibly common occurrence, even more so in people who are active, and even more still in people who are active while wearing heavy clothing or padding. Piazza would be the perfect storm for back acne even without steroids, so Megdal is saying it’s stupid to automatically attribute it to steroids when it can easily be attributed to a product of his normal daily activities. He backed this up with a few doctors who say a) it’s a common condition in non steroid users, b) it doesn’t even occur in many steroid users, and c) that piazza was in an ideal situation to develop the condition anyway. I’ll agree the article is more to shut murray Chass up than to make any conclusive statement, and we should probably employ the “ignore Chass and maybe he’ll go away” approach, but Megdal does at lest shine some light on the fact that the back acne isn’t something that automatically signifies any kind of steroid use, and backs it up with real medical opinions, which is more than Chass does.

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by KeithsMoustache on Jan 27, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

This

I’m not a huge Megdal fan, but I though he was spot-on with his rebuttal to Chass.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jan 27, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

But. . .

Chass’ point wasn’t simply that Piazza had back acne. It was that he had it, then MLB started testing for PEDs, then Piazza didn’t have it anymore. I think the more damning quote is the one where the doctor said that 50% of people who use steroids have back acne, which for someone like me who knew nothing about the back acne-steroids link seems pretty high. But that quote was hidden towards the end of the article and not discussed.

But once again, bottom line, Murray Chass is dumb dumb dumb.

by s s on Jan 28, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's a problem, but this is old news. It's like taking on Nixon for lying. Not exactly the most courageous stand.

Does anyone pay attention to Chass any more except to get page hits?

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by Jack Str on Jan 30, 2011 5:54 AM EST up reply actions  

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