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Segway to Citi Applesauce - Peterson likes Mets' Capuano signing, Chris Young offer, Havens sleeper


We've had a full day to reflect on the signings of Chris Capuano and Taylor Buchholz. Generally positive reactions all around. Patrick Flood says that these are good risks, sort of like the Kelvim Escobar signing, except involving players who can pick up a pen. Capuano's former pitching coach, Rick Peterson, says the Mets got  a good deal in signing the left hander. Oh, and perhaps most importantly, we learn that Capuano is a Segway user.

Star-divide

According to Buster Olney, the Mets aren't done with pursuing injured pitchers, having made a  $1 million offer to Chris Young

Project Prospect has some kind words up on Reese Havens who they rank as the second best sleeper hitter in the minor leagues. Now all he has to do is stay healthy...

Beyond the Box Score puts David Wright's streakiness into pretty graph format. Turns out he's getting streakier.

Citi Field is helping to lower the average age of MLB stadia (thank you to the garbage cans outside Shea Stadium for the grammar lesson). 

Bill Buckner is returning to coaching, heading up the Brockton Rox in the independent Can-Am League. Buckner was formerly the Chicago White Sox hitting coach in 1996 and 1997.

Some signings to pass along in the division. Adam LaRoche finalized a two year/$16 million deal with Washington. Dan Uggla is now the highest paid second baseman in baseball, signing a five year extension with the Braves worth $62 million.

The Cubs apparently are close to acquiring the Rays' Matt Garza.

Barry Stanton may have the worst Hall of Fame ballot in history. Here's his story.

The Mariners may go with a rotating broadcasting booth while trying to replace legendary broadcaster Dave Niehaus. Sounds kind of like closer by committee.

And, finally, George Steinbrenner doing an interview with Billy Crystal's Lorenzo.

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And now they're showing Mr. Show, too.

Plus Undeclared and the Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret. IFC’s giving Comedy Central a run for their money.

I am willing to wait to build a world class franchise (h/t to millsy)

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 5, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Damn. When I’m back in NYC in a few weeks at my parents house with digital cable, DVR, and the pay channels (including IFC) I will probably watch about 200 hours of TV a week. Yes, somehow I will find a way to make a week longer to get more TV time in.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Jan 5, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Can someone explain something to me

Over the past number of months I have become addicted to Entourage. It plays on WGN at 130 am every night, so you can get through a season in a few weeks. The thing is, I have no idea why I like it. It has its moments, but there’s no rational explanation for why I actually look forward to it every night before I go to bed. Any ideas?

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Jan 5, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it too and I despise Hollywood-drama type TV shows.

I think it might be that it doesn’t try and write in it’s drama from what should be nothing and isn’t portrayed as a reality show that’s actually scripted (cough-The OC-cough). The characters, despite all the money and fame, feel like they could be one of you buddies.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That could be it

I did love the Yom Kippur episode, though. It’s a perfect representation of how hard it is to get anything done as a lawyer during the high holidays.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Jan 5, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think everyone likes it at first.

By your 20th episode you start to wonder why. By your 30th ep you begin to hate it.

by FrancoTAU on Jan 5, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

supposedly no official offer has been made to Young.

I think they are waiting out the Garza and Pavano situations to see if the trade market develops some…

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 5, 2011 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure they were ever in the Garza race

And anyway, Garza is over rated.

"There’s talent in these here waters. Alderson just has to clear up the algae around the edges." - RJ Anderson / Fangraphs

by Dandy Salderson on Jan 5, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Very overrated

Have you seen the proposed trades that fans make for him? Four top prospects for one mid-rotation pitcher. Mind boggling.

"The Mets are gonna be amazing!" - Casey Stengel

by Russ on Jan 5, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

yep

to clarify, I meant that Garza and Pavano deals could lead to other trades that could interest the Mets so I feel like they are waiting out the resolution of those situations before they pull the next trigger, but that’s just a feeling…

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Jan 5, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Wright

nice graph, but it shows that he had a lot fewer valleys in 06-08 and they didn’t last as long. 09-10 he had higher peaks, but much lower valleys, and they lasted longer. so the last 2 seasons he has been a below average 3B for longer periods of time

I would love to see that consistency he had at Shea come back, but still in all I would not want any other 3B on the Mets, and I hope to see the Mets sign him to an Colorado type extension next year. show him the loyalty before you have to

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Jan 5, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

I'll be smiling all day...

Thanks to that reference to the “Stadia” garbage cans outside Shea. Well done.

by The Apple on Jan 5, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Jim Hendry and Andrew Friedman dealing?

I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.

All he knows is the Nets.

by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010

2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.

by Gina on Jan 5, 2011 9:58 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Speaking of segways

Here’s a Chimpanzee Riding On A Segway!

Don’t that lady look surprised?

Proud supporter of a New York baseball team and a Boston football team. Yeah, deal with it!

"We don’t listen to the hype. I don’t think we ever have. We really take after our coach and he says ‘When you win, say little. When you lose, say less.'"--Tom Brady

The 2011 New York Mets: At least we don't have Omar and Jerry anymore

by R_Adragna on Jan 5, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

I'm a closet Mariners fan

They’re my AL team, so-to speak. I love Dave Sims and Mike Blowers. Maybe it’s because of his CBS and WFAN ties, but I actually like Sims a lot. I don’t know why they’d feel the need to replicate Niuhaus’ presence anyway.

by MattT516 on Jan 5, 2011 12:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That projectprospect.com article about sleeper prospects makes an interesting suggestion wrt F!

What about trying him at 1B? A move out of the OF would lessen the strain on his body by limiting his running and he just might stay healthy for 100 games. If he isn’t horrible defensively, gets his OBP and SLG back up to around .330 and .500 respectively, we might be able to get a nice return for him via trade.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

How is Barry Stanton still in the BWAA after getting fired because of plagiarism allegations?

Granted they were only allegations, but isn’t the BWAA supposed to have standards or something?

…Oh, wait. That’s right. Never mind.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2011 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

I bitch and moan about Adam Rubin sometimes

But the vote for Dale Murphy was inspired. Assuming that he knows that Murphy is not getting in, and was using it as a waster vote, it’s an awesome choice. For a while there in the 80s he was a beast playing on a perennially terrible team that was run like a circus (see the CNBC special on Ted Turner for a view into how terrible the Braves were back then) and played to crowds averaging 37 people. I don’t think Dale quite had the chops to get in, but a few votes thrown his way are worthwhile.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Jan 5, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Best way to get to Flushing...

Not Olerud on the subway. It has to be Derek Bell and his boat.

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Jan 5, 2011 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

O/T but

congratulations to the USA World Junior Championship team on their bronze medal!
It’s not as sweet as beating Canada for the gold on their home soil last year, but this program has come a long way.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jan 5, 2011 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

You and your hockey

It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.

by MookieTheCat on Jan 5, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Garza's durable, strikes out 7+/9 for his career,

has very good control, a solid WHIP, and looks to me like a guy whose ERA is more reflective of his perormance than FIP or xFIP, meaning an ERA in the AL Beast always under 4.00 is extremely good. He’d also be moving to Citi which would suit his one weakness, his tendency to groove one a little more often than you’d like. He’s essentially Andy Pettitte—a solid number 2 starter who would look good (not great, but definitely good) in that role on a championship team. And he’s young. And he’s cheap.

There’s a lot to like. Silly of the Mets not to be in on it, particularly if the Post is right, that Alderson has some wiggle room with payroll if he’s willing to go to Wilpon on a case by case basis (though that sounds sadly familiar). I’ll be very interested to see what the Cubs are giving up to get him.

by Jack Str on Jan 6, 2011 12:54 AM EST reply actions  

This

Trading a handful of premium prospects for Garza will help the Mets in 2011, but very possibly hurt the Mets after that.

"The Mets are gonna be amazing!" - Casey Stengel

by Russ on Jan 6, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see that at all--let me put it this way: Garza's under team control through 2013.

It doesn’t follow that he’d help the team in 2011 but hurt the team after that. He’s a young guy, not the kind of player whose value is tied up in the first year of the contract.

As for the cost in prospects—sure. Obviously that’s an essential part of whether you make the deal or not. If the Rays want Davis, Mejia, Thole, and Harvey, you wouldn’t go near that deal. But two very good prospects? Of course. Two (and even more) very good prospects don’t, on average, turn into Matt Garza. That’s part of the reason you develop very good prospects, particularly when you’re a big market team, to use them as shortcuts to get #2 starters like Garza. But Garza, at a fair price, is exactly the kind of player the Mets should be targeting this offseason. Fairly inexpensive in dollars since he’s in his second arb year, and the team is desperate for good, durable pitching in 2011, and will be in 2012, and 2013…. It’s certainly not like the upper minors are stocked with solid pitching prospects. Come to think of it, who in the entire organization, majors and minors, is a strong bet to be a serious contributor to the next solidly contending Mets team—other than David Wright?

FT, Freidman doesn’t want to hang onto Garza if he doesn’t have to. Garza’s likely to get a respectable salary over the next year and a half, certainly more than the Rays have ever wanted to pay for a player like him. I can see the Mets not getting him, but I can’t see them not trying to get him.

by Jack Str on Jan 7, 2011 4:36 AM EST up reply actions  

You trade to make your team better, not for team control

Garza, in my opinion, is the most overrated pitcher today. He has only had two seasons where he was better than a LAIM, and 2010 was not one of those seasons. In 2010, four Mets starting pitchers had greater fWARs than Garza.

Tampa’s front office will demand real prospects for Garza, not Cap’n Kirk and Brad Holt. They’ll probably want at least one of Mejia, Havens, Harvey, Flores, Puello, Vaughn, Morris or Urbina. None of those prospects should leave the Mets for a pitcher who may only be a LAIM.

Who, other than Wright, will be a serious contributor to the next mets contender? Seeing as Garza’s best season was fWAR 3.2, there are several who can meet or exceed that: Santana, Dickey, Pelfrey (he is as questionable as Garza,) Niese, Reyes, Davis, Bay and Pagan for those currently with the team. Among prospects, Duda, Mejia, Harvey, Flores, Havens, and Puello easily have that potential, and all could be in Flushing this September.

"The Mets are gonna be amazing!" - Casey Stengel

by Russ on Jan 7, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you Tony Bernazard, who never met a prospect he couldn't rush?

Of the six prospects you mentioned, except for Duda NONE are going to be in Flushing this September unless the Mets are 55-75, and Duda’s upside, if we’re not getting ridiculous, is ‘solid 4th OFer.’ I mean, you can’t be serious here. Wilmer Flores is going to be up in September? In any kind of meaningful capacity? I mean, they might let him watch a couple of games, but you do understand he played in A ball last year, don’t you? And please don’t use pitching fWAR as though it was a number to be taken seriously. Garza’s easily one of the best 50 pitchers in the majors. That makes him a solid #2 starter. He’s not overrated because nobody is claiming he’s anything more than that, but that’s enormously valuable..

I don’t know if I wasn’t clear or you were misreading, but the phrasing is commonly used to talk about players who are under contract for when the team is likely to be a strong contender. By your reasoning we should include Albert Pujols, since he’s theoretically available for 2013.

Pelfrey is ‘as questonable as Garza.’ You think Mike Pelfrey is right about the same pitcher as Matt Garza is? You think Garza is a League Average Innings Muncher? There isn’t much else to say other than you simply don’t understand player value. There’s literally nowhere else for this conversation to go if you think Garza is a league average pitcher.

by Jack Str on Jan 7, 2011 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Garza was worth 1.8 WAR last year; Pelfrey was worth 2.9 WAR

and they both had about the same xFIP. Garza is overrated.

BTW….why do you find it so hard to respect any opinion that doesn’t directly agree with yours??

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Jan 7, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do you feel the need to get personal every time someone disagrees with you?

I can acknowledge an opinion as legitimate when it’s not plainly arguing foolishness. When someone names six players who have no remotely reasonable chance of being significant contributors to the Mets next year and claiming they do is simply silliness. Do you want me to pretend otherwise?Calling Garza an ordinary innings eater is more silliness. It’s the kind of remark that makes it impossible to have a real conversation.

As for pitching WAR, please don’t throw out numbers that have no real meaning as though they do. Here’s a good start on why pitching WAR is largely useless. Here’s Patrick Flood, a decent writer, on Ricky Nolasco’s 2009 season, from http://www.patrickfloodblog.com/2010/07/war-problems-part-two.html:

“And here are the two WAR totals that [season] generated:

Fangraphs: 4.2 WAR
Baseball-Ref: -0.3 WAR

Oh, well look at that. I’m all set to embrace Sabermetrics now. Where do I sign up?

Yeah, it’s a 4.5 win gap. He was either a top twenty pitcher or a AAA-level starter last season, depending on who you ask. That’s a problem if you want people to buy into WAR for pitchers."

And so on.

by Jack Str on Jan 7, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So if we aren't judging Garza by WAR, what should we judge him on???

The mediocre strikeout rate, FIP, and xFIP or the fact that he’s an extreme flyball pitcher?

He’s a decent pitcher, but his value is definitely overrated.

There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ

The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet

by Syler on Jan 7, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Why can't we cite pitching fWAR?

Oh, that’s right FIP is horrible

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jan 7, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll make it easy for you:

First of all, FIP is based on DIPS. Even the creator of DIPS, Voros McCracken, doesn’t claim that pitchers have no effect on whether flyballs go over the fence or not. There is also a significant element of luck that FIP can’t account for.

Quick quiz, closed book:

1) do you know whether FIP is park adjusted?
2) do you know the difference between fWAR and bWAR for pitchers?

You should know these if you’re going to even TRY to use pitching WAR in an argument.

by Jack Str on Jan 7, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Why so serious?

Anyway, WAR for pitchers isn’t useless, it’s just a matter of understanding the difference between fWAR and bWAR. In brief, fWAR uses FIP and bWAR uses ERA. There’s more to it but that’s most of it.

For pitchers with a similar FIP and ERA in a given year, their fWAR and bWAR will generally be similar. Take Mike Pelfrey in 2010. It’s best to look at both methods, especially for extreme cases like Nolasco, in order to get a full picture.

by James Kannengieser on Jan 7, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Off the top of my head? No I don't know if it's park adjusted.

But have read up on the differences and I have concluded that I like FanGraphs methodology better. I think FIP comes closer to eliminating outside influences than ERA does. Does that mean I flat out dismiss bWAR? No, of course not.

Save Jenrry Mejia!

by Ogre39666 on Jan 7, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

xFIP is park adjusted

and Matt Garza does slightly worse here, having posted a 4.51 in 2010.

"The Mets are gonna be amazing!" - Casey Stengel

by Russ on Jan 10, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

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