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Argument that Jack Morris was better pitcher than Blyleven



If you look past the longevity of Blyleven Jack Morris has better numbers, I would even say that Al Leiter was better during his prime than Bert.

 

Bert Blyleven's numbers are impressive when you look at wins, IP, SHO and K but beyond that they weren't much better. Most of those numbers came from being able to stick around forever.

 

CAREER STATS

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SEASON▲

TEAM▲

W▼

L▼

ERA▼

G▼

GS▼

CG▼

SHO▼

SV▼

SVO▼

IP▼

H▼

R▼

ER▼

HR▼

HB▼

BB▼

SO▼

AVG▼

WHIP▼

GO/AO▼

 ▲

 ▲

 ▲

 ▲

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1970

MIN

10

9

3.18

27

25

5

1

0

 

164.0

143

66

58

17

2

47

135

.232

1.16

 

142

 

 

 

 

1971

MIN

16

15

2.81

38

38

17

5

0

 

278.1

267

95

87

21

5

59

224

.255

1.17

 

142

 

 

 

 

1972

MIN

17

17

2.73

39

38

11

3

0

 

287.1

247

93

87

22

10

69

228

.233

1.10

 

142

 

 

 

 

1973

MIN

20

17

2.52

40

40

25

9

0

 

325.0

296

109

91

16

9

67

258

.242

1.12

 

142

 

 

 

 

1974

MIN

17

17

2.66

37

37

19

3

0

 

281.0

244

99

83

14

9

77

249

.233

1.14

 

142

 

 

 

 

1975

MIN

15

10

3.00

35

35

20

3

0

 

275.2

219

104

92

24

4

84

233

.219

1.10

 

142

 

 

 

 

1976[+]

 

13

16

2.87

36

36

18

6

0

 

297.2

283

106

95

14

12

81

219

.255

1.22

 

 

 

 

 

 

1977

TEX

14

12

2.72

30

30

15

5

0

 

234.2

181

81

71

20

7

69

182

.214

1.07

 

140

 

 

 

 

1978

PIT

14

10

3.03

34

34

11

4

0

 

243.2

217

94

82

17

6

66

182

.235

1.16

 

134

 

 

 

 

1979

PIT

12

5

3.60

37

37

4

0

0

 

237.1

238

102

95

21

6

92

172

.265

1.39

 

134

 

 

 

 

1980

PIT

8

13

3.82

34

32

5

2

0

 

216.2

219

102

92

20

0

59

168

.262

1.28

 

134

 

 

 

 

1981

CLE

11

7

2.88

20

20

9

1

0

 

159.1

145

52

51

9

5

40

107

.245

1.16

 

114

 

 

 

 

1982

CLE

2

2

4.87

4

4

0

0

0

 

20.1

16

14

11

2

0

11

19

.211

1.33

 

114

 

 

 

 

1983

CLE

7

10

3.91

24

24

5

0

0

 

156.1

160

74

68

8

10

44

123

.267

1.30

 

114

 

 

 

 

1984

CLE

19

7

2.87

33

32

12

4

0

 

245.0

204

86

78

19

6

74

170

.224

1.13

 

114

 

 

 

 

1985[+]

 

17

16

3.16

37

37

24

5

0

 

293.2

264

121

103

23

9

75

206

.239

1.15

 

 

 

 

 

 

1986

MIN

17

14

4.01

36

36

16

3

0

 

271.2

262

134

121

50

10

58

215

.250

1.18

 

142

 

 

 

 

1987

MIN

15

12

4.01

37

37

8

1

0

 

267.0

249

132

119

46

9

101

196

.249

1.31

 

142

 

 

 

 

1988

MIN

10

17

5.43

33

33

7

0

0

 

207.1

240

128

125

21

16

51

145

.294

1.40

 

142

 

 

 

 

1989

CAL

17

5

2.73

33

33

8

5

0

 

241.0

225

76

73

14

8

44

131

.248

1.12

 

108

 

 

 

 

1990

CAL

8

7

5.24

23

23

2

0

0

 

134.0

163

85

78

15

7

25

69

.303

1.40

 

108

 

 

 

 

1992

CAL

8

12

4.74

25

24

1

0

0

 

133.0

150

76

70

17

5

29

70

.285

1.35

 

108

 

 

 

 

CAREER

 

287

250

3.31

692

685

242

60

0

 

4970.0

4632

2029

1830

430

155

1322

3701

.247

1.20

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blyleven was 287-250 (.534) with 242 CG and 60 SHO, had 14 winning seasons out of 22, he pitched over 200, 16 times and almost 5000 IP, he had a career 3.31 ERA which is better than Leiter 3.80 and Morris 3.90.

his best 10 year period he was 148-128 ( .536) from 70-79. 

Allstar team – 73, 85

Most IP- 85,86

K- 85

WS Champ- 79 Pirates

Jack Morris was a much more feared pitcher during his prime.

CAREER STATS

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SEASON▲

TEAM▲

W▼

L▼

ERA▼

G▼

GS▼

CG▼

SHO▼

SV▼

SVO▼

IP▼

H▼

R▼

ER▼

HR▼

HB▼

BB▼

SO▼

AVG▼

WHIP▼

GO/AO▼

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 ▲

 ▲

 ▲

 ▲

1977

DET

1

1

3.74

7

6

1

0

0

 

45.2

38

20

19

4

0

23

28

.235

1.34

 

116

 

 

 

 

1978

DET

3

5

4.33

28

7

0

0

0

 

106.0

107

57

51

8

3

49

48

.268

1.47

 

116

 

 

 

 

1979

DET

17

7

3.28

27

27

9

1

0

 

197.2

179

76

72

19

4

59

113

.244

1.20

 

116

 

 

 

 

1980

DET

16

15

4.18

36

36

11

2

0

 

250.0

252

125

116

20

4

87

112

.263

1.36

 

116

 

 

 

 

1981

DET

14

7

3.05

25

25

15

1

0

 

198.0

153

69

67

14

2

78

97

.218

1.17

 

116

 

 

 

 

1982

DET

17

16

4.06

37

37

17

3

0

 

266.1

247

131

120

37

0

96

135

.247

1.29

 

116

 

 

 

 

1983

DET

20

13

3.34

37

37

20

1

0

 

293.2

257

117

109

30

3

83

232

.233

1.16

 

116

 

 

 

 

1984

DET

19

11

3.60

35

35

9

1

0

 

240.1

221

108

96

20

2

87

148

.241

1.28

 

116

 

 

 

 

1985

DET

16

11

3.33

35

35

13

4

0

 

257.0

212

102

95

21

5

110

191

.225

1.25

 

116

 

 

 

 

1986

DET

21

8

3.27

35

35

15

6

0

 

267.0

229

105

97

40

0

82

223

.229

1.16

 

116

 

 

 

 

1987

DET

18

11

3.38

34

34

13

0

0

 

266.0

227

111

100

39

1

93

208

.228

1.20

 

116

 

 

 

 

1988

DET

15

13

3.94

34

34

10

2

0

 

235.0

225

115

103

20

4

83

168

.251

1.31

 

116

 

 

 

 

1989

DET

6

14

4.86

24

24

10

0

0

 

170.1

189

102

92

23

2

59

115

.283

1.46

 

116

 

 

 

 

1990

DET

15

18

4.51

36

36

11

3

0

 

249.2

231

144

125

26

6

97

162

.242

1.31

 

116

 

 

 

 

1991

MIN

18

12

3.43

35

35

10

2

0

 

246.2

226

107

94

18

5

92

163

.245

1.29

 

142

 

 

 

 

1992

TOR

21

6

4.04

34

34

6

1

0

 

240.2

222

114

108

18

10

80

132

.246

1.25

 

141

 

 

 

 

1993

TOR

7

12

6.19

27

27

4

1

0

 

152.2

189

116

105

18

3

65

103

.302

1.66

 

141

 

 

 

 

1994

CLE

10

6

5.60

23

23

1

0

0

 

141.1

163

96

88

14

4

67

100

.292

1.63

 

114

 

 

 

 

CAREER

 

254

186

3.90

549

527

175

28

0

 

3824.0

3567

1815

1657

389

58

1390

2478

.247

1.30

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Morris went 254-186 (.577) 175CG 28 SHO he struck out 200 (3)times,  and pitched 200 IP over 250 6 times with his best being 293 IP, he had 13 winnings seasons including 10 in a row from 79-88 and only 5 seasons at .500 or worse.

he was 173-112 (.607) in a 10 year period from 79-88

AS- 5 times- 81, 84, 85 ,87, 91

WS MVP- 91

K- 83

W- 81,92

IP 83

4 time WS champion- Tigers 84, Twins- 91, Jays 92,93



Even the beloved Mets pitcher Al Leiter had a better prime.

CAREER STATS

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SEASON▲

TEAM▲

W▼

L▼

ERA▼

G▼

GS▼

CG▼

SHO▼

SV▼

SVO▼

IP▼

H▼

R▼

ER▼

HR▼

HB▼

BB▼

SO▼

AVG▼

WHIP▼

GO/AO▼

 ▲

 ▲

 ▲

 ▲

 ▲

1987

NYY

2

2

6.35

4

4

0

0

0

 

22.2

24

16

16

2

0

15

28

.273

1.72

 

147

 

 

 

 

1988

NYY

4

4

3.92

14

14

0

0

0

 

57.1

49

27

25

7

5

33

60

.231

1.43

 

147

 

 

 

 

1989[+]

 

1

2

5.67

5

5

0

0

0

 

33.1

32

23

21

2

2

23

26

.252

1.65

 

 

 

 

 

 

1990

TOR

0

0

0.00

4

0

0

0

0

 

6.1

1

0

0

0

0

2

5

.050

0.47

 

141

 

 

 

 

1991

TOR

0

0

27.00

3

0

0

0

0

 

1.2

3

5

5

0

0

5

1

.429

4.80

 

141

 

 

 

 

1992

TOR

0

0

9.00

1

0

0

0

0

 

1.0

1

1

1

0

0

2

0

.200

3.00

 

141

 

 

 

 

1993

TOR

9

6

4.11

34

12

1

1

2

 

105.0

93

52

48

8

4

56

66

.240

1.42

 

141

 

 

 

 

1994

TOR

6

7

5.08

20

20

1

0

0

 

111.2

125

68

63

6

2

65

100

.285

1.70

 

141

 

 

 

 

1995

TOR

11

11

3.64

28

28

2

1

0

 

183.0

162

80

74

15

6

108

153

.238

1.48

 

141

 

 

 

 

1996

FLA

16

12

2.93

33

33

2

1

0

 

215.1

153

74

70

14

11

119

200

.202

1.26

 

146

 

 

 

 

1997

FLA

11

9

4.34

27

27

0

0

0

 

151.1

133

78

73

13

12

91

132

.241

1.48

 

146

 

 

 

 

1998

NYM

17

6

2.47

28

28

4

2

0

 

193.0

151

55

53

8

11

71

174

.216

1.15

 

121

 

 

 

 

1999

NYM

13

12

4.23

32

32

1

1

0

0

213.0

209

107

100

19

9

93

162

.262

1.42

1.05

121

 

 

 

 

2000

NYM

16

8

3.20

31

31

2

1

0

0

208.0

176

84

74

19

11

76

200

.228

1.21

1.11

121

 

 

 

 

2001

NYM

11

11

3.31

29

29

0

0

0

0

187.1

178

81

69

18

4

46

142

.252

1.20

1.04

121

 

 

 

 

2002

NYM

13

13

3.48

33

33

2

2

0

0

204.1

194

99

79

23

8

69

172

.250

1.29

1.09

121

 

 

 

 

2003

NYM

15

9

3.99

30

30

1

1

0

0

180.2

176

83

80

15

9

94

139

.260

1.49

0.80

121

 

 

 

 

2004

NYM

10

8

3.21

30

30

0

0

0

0

173.2

138

65

62

16

11

97

117

.218

1.35

0.90

121

 

 

 

 

2005[+]

 

7

12

6.13

33

26

0

0

0

0

142.1

154

103

97

13

12

98

97

.282

1.77

1.06

 

 

 

 

 

CAREER

 

162

132

3.80

419

382

16

10

2

2

2391.0

2152

1101

1010

198

117

1163

1974

.242

1.39

1.00

 

 

 

 

 

Leiter had only 162 wins and 132 (.551), and 16 CG 10 SHO, he stuck 200 twice and the most IP was 215 and 4 seasons over 200. he had only 8 winning seasons out of 16.

his best 10 year period he was 140-99 (.586) from 95-04

2 allstar- 96, 2000

bAA- 1996

WS Champ- 97 Marlins

To me a Hall Of Famer is someone who dominates the league for at least a 10 period of time, and Blyleven did not dominate as much as Morris. Plus Morris helped his team win 4 WS Championships.

Jack Morris is more of a Hall Of Famer than Blyleven.

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