Rays Envy Applesauce: Playoffs Start With A Tampa Win, More 2011 Mets and Jose Reyes Fallout, Tim Byrdak Video Bombs
Mets Stuff
Now that the 2011 season is finished, it's time to review just what exactly happened. The New York Post, ESPN New York and NJ.com give you some statistics to help jog your collective memories. Over at Tedquarters, Ted Berg takes a look at the amount of at bats the Mets gave to players with <.300 on base percentages compared to 2010. Why he did, I'm not sure...they won fewer games in 2011 than in 2010 so it's moot, right? #LogicFail
Let's face it: you've always wanted to pretend you were the Mets general manager. Patrick Flood helps you get a start on building your pretend Mets. It's no secret that the payroll will drop in 2012 but will these cuts affect Sandy Alderson? Howard Megdal examines how much money the Mets are really spending when you account for "dead money".
Should Sandy Alderson go after C.J. Wilson to shore up the rotation? How about picking up another lefty reliever?
More Jose Reyes controversy? Yes. Surprise surprise! Jimmy Rollins has something to say about what Jose did. It wasn't all bad, though. The always entertaining Metstradamus put together an excellent Jose Reyes Manifesto, in which he discusses the entire Reyes flap at length (Editor's Note--I refuse to call this "Reyes-gate" because I completely despise the use of "-gate" as a suffix meaning controversy. If "-gate" were a suffix, wouldn't the Watergate scandal have to be called Watergate-gate? It doesn't make sense, but I guess that is neither here nor there).
Did the Mets decline the Yankees' request to move their AAA team to Newark out of spite?
Finally, Tim Byrdak is really awesome at video-bombing.
Around the PLAYOFFS (Don't talk about the PLAYOFFS!)
The red-hot Tampa Bay Rays beat up on C.J. Wilson and the Rangers, as they won 9-0 behind seven shutout innings from lefty uber-prospect Matt Moore. Where the hell do the Rays find these pitchers and can the Mets start tapping this well of aces? Kelly Shoppach also hit a pair of home runs for Tampa, who will send James Shields to the hill to face Derek Holland in game two on Saturday. First pitch is at 7:07 PM and can be seen on TNT.
The Yankees and Tigers played an inning and a half of ball before the skies opened up, wasting a potential doozy of a pitching matchup of Sabathia and Verlander. Game one will resume in the second inning with a 1-1 score on Saturday at 8:37 PM and will feature Ivan Nova going up against Doug Fister.
Diamondbacks hitting coach (and former Mets bench coach) Don Baylor was rushed to the hospital after fainting on Friday morning.
The Diamondbacks and Brewers square off in the first game on Saturday at 2:07 PM on TBS. Ian Kennedy goes for Arizona and Yovani Gallardo throws for the Brew Crew. Meanwhile, the hated Phillies host the Cardinals at 5:07 PM on TBS. Roy Halladay goes up against Kyle Lohse in what looks to be a big league mismatch.
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Yeah, the Mets were better at being on base
but won less games, therefore they were bad at this……..

One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Oct 1, 2011 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Did you take your meds this morning?
I have no idea what this means.
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Really good kid.A very good player.Not a superstar. #BlameWilponz. Never Forget
by ScottfromPeekskill on Oct 1, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
fewer games
#GrammarFail
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
GrammarGate!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Wait?
Clutch?
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Oct 1, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Either that or stepping on the gas
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Oct 1, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Drive...ing in runs
Also, pitching was a big one.
Jimmy Rollins
That guy…. he’s just not my kinda guy.
by James Kannengieser on Oct 1, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
6 ER in 5 IP...weak!
#karmaisabitch
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Oh, and F! Jimmy Rollins!
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
"Sure up"?
Hopefully, they’ll shore up their staff instead.
i like how through that whole article
rollins is pretending he’s as good as jose, saying things like i worked hard to get to this point so i’ll see it through.
wishful thinking, jimmy.
Funny
How those that are bitching about Reyes are either Yankees fans, Phillies and ESPN (aka Skankee propaganda house)
Insert witty signature here
"I refuse to call this "Reyes-gate" because I completely despise the use of "-gate" as a suffix meaning controversy."
Bravo sir, bravo!

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Oct 1, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
Speaking of...Can someone do me a solid
And give me the Cliffs Notes version of the Reyes controversy. It seems to be assumed that those on here have been following this but I live in a hut blah blah blah etc etc etc.
Thanks a lot
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Oct 1, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait hold on WTF?
It was that he was pulled after 1 AB in the last game of the year to preserve a batting title. I thought it was something like Alderson finding him with a live boy AND a dead girl.
Jesus, must be a slow news day.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Oct 1, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When I was in college I had this girlfriend
Halfway through senior year we both knew that the relationship wouldn’t survive graduation; though immature, we were both sufficiently realistic to come to that conclusion. We each began to engineer reasons to dislike the other, I think as a psychological protective mechanism to deal with what we knew would be coming. I see something like this going on here: since there is a good chance Reyes won’t be back, people are manufacturing beef to cushion the blow.
A Met won the batting title. For whatever that particular stat is worth, this is good news. Be happy for him, and kill that noise.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. -- Play-by-Play Announcer, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Oct 1, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
RA-men
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 1, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Watergate? Makes sense, since that was the hotel name. Anything else? Does not make sense.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 1, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it ok I use it very sarcasticaly only to describe the stupidest of controversies?
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 1, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Go for it!
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 1, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
fantastic
Hey, wait! I'm having one of those things. You know? A headache with pictures?
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 1, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Gate-naming-gate?
The controversy started in this post over the use of the suffix gate to name controversies?
But 'Watergate Gate' doesn't make sense.
It would only make sense if Watergate had happened after Heaven’s Gate.
I've been saying the same thing for the last 5 years
This furthers my suspicion that no one on here is real, and that you are all figments of my imagination, or split personalities of myself.
You've got it backwards.
You’re all in my head, not the other way around.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 2, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Tampa have a $300m scout payroll?
How do they keep finding aces? Why do we keep getting Pelfrey’s, Gee’s and middling crap like this?
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Oct 1, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
My guess is that they mix traditional scouting with analytics
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that question
that’s the one. Why can’t we have that?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Why do we keep getting Pelfrey’s, Gee’s and middling crap like this?
Uh, well, you know, the thing is, uh, you see, my plan…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 1, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
it feels like the only way the mets can get their money's worth and build a contender is to
buy the Rays, scouting dept and all. Which is my off season plan.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Nice breakdown by Flood
I’d suspect that most people AAOP’s will use a huge chunk of that 28 million to sign Reyes, but I have a feeling that it’s getting less likely by the day. I see the Mets throwing a 15 million over 4 years with a 5th year option at him, and Reyes can handily beat that on the open market.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Why would the Mets lowball him like that?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 1, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not really a low ball
You can make the case that because of his constant injuries that it’s a fair price for his services. As for why they would offer that…Most likely to make an attempt to sign him so that the fan base blames Reyes instead of the Mets if he’s not retained. They’ll throw a few offers out there, if by some freakish chance he doesn’t get anything that much better, maybe he gives New York enough of a discount to stay here. If he does get something better, the Mets can always say they tried to keep him.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
Four years and $15 million per is most definitley a low ball offer
Factoring in the injury tag, that’s what’s limiting realistic offers to a more reasonable five guaranteed years, instead of Crawford-like six or seven.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 1, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair value for a 6 fWAR player is about $27 million/year
From where do you get that $15 million is fair value for Reyes?
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That's not my point
Rey-O arbitrarily stated that Reyes’ fair value is $15 million, without stating how he came to that conclusion.
I posted the $27 million figure to point out that any amount below that is likely to generate surplus value for whichever team signs him. $15 million is well below $27 million. Sorry if I wasn’t clearer.
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I'm thinking the Mets' offer is closer to five years $80 million, plus a couple of option years.
Jose would look really bad in a vest.
unless the Mets plan to have a $85M payroll in 2012
where would they spend that money? The obvious need is at SS, SP, and RP. Would they rather pay a pitcher on the wrong side of 30 like Wilson, an inconsistent pitcher like Jackson, or a 28 year old SS in his prime?
by secret defense on Oct 1, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No
But it’s not the craziest idea to stay out of the market for another year, save salary room, and then go big at the end of 2012. Not saying it’s going to happen, just a gut feeling of a possible outcome. I don’t see Sandy resigning Reyes and leaving himself with 10 million bucks to field a roster for the second straight off season. If they can structure his contract in such a way that keeps Reyes happy and the Mets flexible, I’m all for it though.
"I only wanted a few things out of life -- a wife, children, to play baseball and to hunt deer." - Turk Wendell
If the Mets sign Reyes to a deal for however long, and he makes, say an even $20 million dollars in 2012
(a little high, I think we can all agree, but it’s a nice, even number), that elevates our payroll from ~$80 million (factoring in arbitration raises for Pelfrey, Pagan and Parnell) to ~$100 million, leaving Sandy with ~$10 million to work with (given that I’m being conservative with my estimations of Reyes’ contract, and arbitration raises and stuff, it might be closer to ~$15 million in reality, something to note, even though I’m working only with ~$10 million).
With that ~10 million dollars, he’s going to have to sign a SP, a reliever or two, and a bench player or two. Looking at the available options on the SP market, and factoring in where the team is, in terms of developing impact prospects, it’s highly unlikely that Sandy goes out and signs a guy like CJ Wilson to a 4/$60 contract ($15 million a year) to begin with, even if the money was there. After him, the market drops precipitously. It’s more cost effective for the team to hang back, and sign a lower tier guy for a few million and minimal time- especially since we have the Four Horsemen in development and the pitching FA pool is a lot better next season. In terms of the bullpen, it is a buyer’s market, as there are a lot of late-inning relievers available, and a lot of them aren’t that dominant, or are semi-question marks. In terms of the bench, if we resign both Hairston and Harris (I’m not necessarily advocating that, but for the sake of simplicity I’m going to use them), they’d combine to cost $3 million or so- in other words, not very much. And, in regards to both the bench and the bullpen, we have a few in-house candidates who very likely will be around in 2012 that make the Major League minimum, or close to it.
All in all, because we don’t have too much that needs to be upgraded, and because of market factors and all, $10-$15 million dollars to address the things we need might be more than enough.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 1, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish.
If they could somehow deal Bay and save some money, I’d love to see Beltran in right field and Duda in left. That’d be a hell of a middle of the order…Wright, Beltran, Duda, Davis in some order 3-6 in the lineup would be pretty awesome.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 1, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll never happen with TC as manager, though.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 2, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Imagine a lineup of
Reyes, Murph, Beltran, Davis, Wright, Duda
2012 National League Wild Card Champion New York Mets
World fucking champtions
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 2, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I always like to think the Rockies would be interested in Bay
If guys like Vinny Castilla and Dante Bichette could be stars there, I’d bet Bay would rake there.
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I could see him getting 15M for next season alone, as the first year of a backloaded contract.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 1, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we're really going to need specifics as to what we can do for backloaded contracts for our AAOP's.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
that picture
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