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AAOP: Striving for Mediocrity with Upside

Start with $81.4 million as noted in AA post.  That includes $4.7 million for Pagan, $5.9 million for Pelfrey.  Non-tender both.  Pagan's defense is suspect and Pelfry is too expensive as a back-of-the-rotation option.

That's $70.8 million.

Trade Jason Bay for John Lackey.  This is very speculative, but there are good reasons to suspect Boston would make this deal, given Lackey's issues there.  The overall money is higher for the Mets here but the per year number lower.  Lackey gets $3 million less a year from Bay.  I'd ask the Sox to kick in another $3 million each year to be rid of a clubhouse cancer and bring back a guy they loved in the club house.  If you can pull this off you save $6 million and have a new back of the rotation option - Lackey should go from horrendous to tolerable moving from AL East and Fenway to the caverns of Citi Field.

That's $64.8 million.

Next, re-sign Jose Reyes.  Maybe it ends up blowing up in your face, but it is good for the business.  We'll give him $18.2 million a year.  If it requires more than this to sign him, we backlog some of the contract to bring it to this level.  I'd go as high as 6 years $120 million.

That's $83 million.

To fill out the outfield, I'd sign Cody Ross (2 years, $10 million) and David Dejesus (1 year, $4 million).  Now you have good defense at 2/3 of the outfield and tolerable hitting.  You can use Nick Evans against lefties and possibly bring up Kirk Nieuwhenuis to take over a spot.

That's $92 million.

Next, I'd use Dan Murphy as trade bait to try to get another starter.  I'd try the Angels to make a switch with Ervin Santana (owed $7 million) or possibly Wandy Rodriguez if the Astros eat enough of the contract to get $7 million.  Let's say we get Ervin.

That's $99 million.

For the bullpen, I'd offer Brad Lidge a one year $3 million deal, Mike Gonzalez the same deal, and Frank Francisco a one-year $5 million deal. If they accept those, then:

That's $110 million

And your lineup:

1) Reyes SS

2) Dejesus CF

3) Davis 1B

4) Wright 3B

5) Duda LF

6) Ross RF

7) Thole C

8) Tejada 2B

You hope like hell that Reese Havens or Kirk Niuwhenhuis rakes in the minors and comes and gives you a midseason infusion of offense.

Starting Pitchers

Jon Niese

R.A. Dickey

Ervin Santana

Johan Santana

John Lackey

If these guys falter, Dillon Gee steps in.  If the team is playing well mid-season, you look to see if you can acquire a true ace or you see if Harvey, Mejia, or Familia is at all ready.

Bullpen:

Frank Francisco

Brad Lidge

Mike Gonzalez

Manny Acosta

Bobby Parnell

D.J. Carrasco/Dillon Gee/Tim Byrdak/Pedro Beato

Here also Harvey, Mejia, or Familia could make a mid-year impact.

 

Conclusion: It's not a pretty team, but with some lucky breaks and a few possible, but unlikely breaks (David Wright reverts to 2008 form, Duda becomes a .900 OPS hitter, Santana reverts to 2010 form, some minor league guys break out) the team could become a contender.  If that happens, a key trade could put them over the top.  This team can at least put some butts in the seats and most of these guys are one-year signings.  If the team breaks down, possible mid-year trade guys are: Wright, Francisco, Lidge, Gonzalez, Ervin Santana.

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A few things

I like what you did with the bullpen, but thats about it. I don’t really see how DeJesus is much of an improvement over Pagan. You’re not really saving much money anyway.

I don’t like the rotation at all. Dickey is the only sure thing. Niese and Johan Santana are both coming off major injuries, Ervin Santana is incredibly inconsistent, and I really don’t see how Lackey is an improvement over Pelfrey.

I feel like you are trading Bay for Lackey just to get rid of Bay. I am not necessarily in favor of keeping Bay as if he will suddenly become an All Star, but I do think that with the fences moving in he will do a little better. I don’t want John Lackey anywhere near Citi Field. As you said he is a clubhouse cancer, I am not sure if that is true or not, but if it is, why would we want him? The Mets aren’t the best baseball team in the world, but they have a great chemistry and are lots of fun to watch. Lackey would ruin that.

This AAOP doesn’t address the bench at all, which is very important. You didn’t do anything about catcher. Do you feel Thole is a good catcher?

And lastly, if you want to win a pennant, its generally not a good idea to just hope Havens and Kirk rake in the minors, hope Wright reverts to his 2008 form, and hope Duda becomes a .900 OPS hitter. And while you didn’t mention it, you are hoping the pitching rotation stays healthy (I don’t see any depth after Gee), and hoping Thole improves his defense.

I wouldn’t be too happy if the Mets did all this. I like what you’ve done to the bullpen, but if you really want to win the contest I think you should go back and edit a few things.

Bobby Baseball - The future of Amazin' Avenue.

by Bobby Baseball on Oct 20, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Niese can't be relied on?

He’s had xFIPs under 4.00 each of the last two years.

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by Syler on Oct 20, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say Niese can't be relied on, and if I did then I didn't mean to

I love Niese and I think he has great stuff, could be an ace. What I meant was that he is coming off a major injury and his HEALTH can’t be relied on, he might miss more time next season.

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by Bobby Baseball on Oct 20, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel Thole is a good catcher

not great but good, his bat was better the second half, he cut down on strikeouts after a rough start and actualy got some hits with RISP. It was the guys first full season,a nd first time he broke camp with the team. Lets see what he does now I also like Paulino as backup because he started off real well against lefties.

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by Rickfansince76 on Oct 21, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pagan > Dejesus or Not and Bay

Bobby Baseball – I think this is highly debatable. I think Pagan is a good bet to bounce back with the bat, but UZR has him as horrendous this year…. I saw some good play out of him but also a lot of bad play and with him getting older and not having a long-established track record of good defense, it makes me nervous. If the Mets keep him, I will take it as a good sign that his D is not as bad as UZR thinks it is and root for a bounce back.

Regarding trading Bay, yes you are correct. I think it should be a high priority to dump him. I think it is a bad bet to expect him to hit enough to be a decent player. And the other key issue is that I don’t think Duda will be good in RF. I think getting him to LF and improving the rest of the defense is a key priority. I think if the Mets could switch him from Lackey and save $6 million this year doing so, it is a no brainer.

And no, I am not sold on Thole, but to make a real improvement we’d have to go get Ramon Hernandez or trade valuable prospects. I think a one-year Ramon contract could be a good deal for the Mets, but in this scenario I ran out of budget for it. I don’t think it is the top priority.

by Dan the Mets Fan on Oct 21, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

One more thing…. yes the rotation is not awesome but this is obviously a difficult area to upgrade. I look forward to better ideas on how this can be done. I do think Dickey and Niese are pretty good assets there. Ervin Santana might be inconsistent but in the NL East at Citi Field he could put up a good season and become mid-year trade bait or net us some picks at the end of the season, at which point we can pursue 2013 free agent pitching, which looks to be much better.

by Dan the Mets Fan on Oct 21, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and by the way, welcome to AA

Bobby Baseball - The future of Amazin' Avenue.

by Bobby Baseball on Oct 20, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I love this comment

after you completely ripped his post apart in the comment right above it.

Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 20, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I am in love with Murph, his swing, and his game

The Angels are NOT trading Ervin Santana for him.

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by santana9237 on Oct 20, 2011 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

So you'll pay $5M for Cody Ross (per year) but not $4.7M for Pagan? Why?

Ross’ last three years in wRC+ (‘09-’11): 105, 101, 102
Pagan’s last three years in wRC+ (‘09-’11): 120, 113, 99
Even if you want look at career wRC+ (which really isn’t far to Pagan since he wasn’t healthy until ’09): Ross: 106 Pagan: 104

Ross’ career UZR in LR/CF/RF: -1.3/-0.4/-0.4
Pagan’s career UZR in LF/CF/RF: 13.1/-1.3/22.6

And Pagan is a year younger.

(And it’s not AAOP season yet.)

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Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.

by Ogre39666 on Oct 20, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

If we're going to get rid of Pagan

then you have 3 options:
1. Trade for value
2. bring up Kirk/other minor league CF
3. or bring in someone cheaper not more expensive/equal price.

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Logic Your Sense Makes None.

by JoeBighead on Oct 20, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Ross a good change

almostthe same price, and really Pagan probably expects raise from $4.7M

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Oct 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

4.7 million is his expected salary after a raise

That’s probably pretty close to what he’ll get if tendered

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 21, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

some good moves

like pen minus Lidge

hate to see Murphy leave but we don’t have a position for him and he is valuable trade bait, but I would prefer Wandy. I would take E Santana though.

Lackey for Bay- I also feel you just wantto get rid of Bay, I may agree only as I said in the other post because Lackey is probably more tradable down the road. The fences are huge here, if the fences truly are moved I say you have to keep Bay and hope he is more as advertised. I still bring in either Ross or DeJesus for Pagan spot. If we are out of it, trade either at the deadline and bring up someone

I like letting go of Pelfrey, he isnot horrible but I think we have gotten the best he has to offer and it isn’t good enough

Gee deserves spot after winning most games last season

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Oct 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Murphy

Ricksfan – I’d also love to keep Murphy… I am a huge fan of his. He was fun to watch in 2008, and amazing that he keeps coming back and playing an important role. I’m still hoping the Mets try him at 2B but the front office’s statements on this seem to indicate this will not happen. I have toyed with an alternate scenario where we move Wright to RF or trade him for a bunch of awesomeness. However, I avoided those here because I don’t think we get enough to merit trading Wright. I think the better strategy is to let him play and see if we could get some good midyear value if the Mets stumble. Of course, if we did that, it would make sense to keep Murph around as a 3B replacement. Keep in mind this is just one scenario… I’m not claiming it is the only way the Mets can improve themselves.

by Dan the Mets Fan on Oct 21, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure why the Angels would trade Ervin Santana for Murphy.

They’re set at second and third with Kendrick and Callapso, right? Santana just had an excellent year for them, and they’re flush with cash (albeit also some bad contracts, though among which he is not one)—no reason for them to make that deal.

by djletz on Oct 21, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Callapso

Sucks. I’ve read some trade rumors suggesting they want a 3B upgrade. Murph is a bit of a gamble but you get 3 or 4 years of him.

by Dan the Mets Fan on Oct 21, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Callapso hit...

.288/.366/.375 last year, with good 3B defense by all accounts. That’s not far out of line with what he’s done so far in his career. Since they have ditched their idiotic front office and seem committed to building a more competent one, I can’t imagine that assessment stays.

by djletz on Oct 21, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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