Mets Make Major Coaching Changes
by Eno Sarris on Oct 5, 2011 3:50 PM EDT
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The Mets announced some changes to the coaching staff today in a press release. Third base coach Chip Hale will be leaving the organization, while first base coach Mookie Wilson and bullpen coach John Debus will be offered other jobs within the organization. Bench coach Ken Oberkfell will not return to the team.
While Wilson is a Met fan favorite, the fact that he is staying with the Mets could mean that his future within the organization is still somewhat solid. If he heads to the minor leagues to be a manager, it could even be considered a horizontal move instead of a demotion. The universally-liked Wilson doesn't have much that mars his reputation, and it will be interesting to see what role the team has in mind for him.
Chip Hale was considered a front-runner for the manager job last off-season, and now he's out of the organization. The press release does say that Hale "declined an offer to remain on Collins' staff to pursue another Major League coaching opportunity," and it's possible that he still wanted to be a big-league manager and saw the writing on the wall considering Terry Collins's contract status. Or maybe Hale was after more job security and a longer-term deal than the Mets were offering. Most likely, Mets fans will wish him the best wherever he lands, provided it's probably not Atlanta or Philadelphia.
Replacing Hale will be Tim Teufel, who managed the Triple-A Bisons. Ricky Bones, who was the pitching coach in Buffalo, will be the bullpen coach in New York. The coaching staff will have a Buffalo feel to it next year, but the team also announced that hitting coach Dave Hudgens and pitching coach Dan Warthen will return in the same roles.
EDIT: It looks like Chip Hale has signed a two-year deal to be the bench coach in Oakland. Either the Mets didn't want to go to two years, or Hale saw a clearer path in Oakland, it seems.
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If anywhere, Mookie belongs on first base
So symbolic
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Probably all got low-balled
The people with credentials and a resume for a baseball future had the stones to dip
El Esta Gone!
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by RudyTerrasasWarRoom on Oct 5, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
Hale is gonna be a great manager one day
Sadly I don’t think it will be here.
by graves9 on Oct 5, 2011 4:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well best wishes to them in their new positions
But why couldn’t we ditch Warthen?
Down 2 in the bottom of the ninth?
Lets Bring in Willie Harris!
Collins and most of the starting pitchers think he's great.
What do they know that we don’t?
Where he keeps the comprimising pictures
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Even though there was that long between Mookie's stints as 1B coach
it just seems like his role. It just feels natural to see that number ‘1’ below the name ‘Wilson’, on the back of the jersey worn by an older and shorter (relative to most people on the field) man (who represents the triumph of the 1986 WS), standing arms crossed, about 5 foot from first base, watching for more than I know about and sharing what he see’s with countless Mets, who don’t pick up the little things as quick as this experienced Mets legend.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Oct 5, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess is that Larry Bowa is the next bench coach.
by graves9 on Oct 5, 2011 4:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
And there goes my dinner...
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Oct 5, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I expected some coaching changes.
Good thing I didn’t bet on those though, because these weren’t the ones I was expecting to go/stay.
Gonna miss Hale as a 3B coach
After the years of incompetence there, it was nice to have someone who both knew what he was doing and was clear about it to the players.
by dontstopbelieving on Oct 5, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
Second
Supposedly he left because he’s best buds with the Oakland coach. Nice that he’s loyal to his friends, but sucks to be us.
agreed
Chip Hale rules. Hope Teuf does as good of a job at 3B.
by BurleighGrimes on Oct 5, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad Mookie will still be in the organization.
With Teufel up, that leaves the door open for Backman to manage at Buffalo and thousands upon thousands of more calls for Backman to be manager.
Oh Joy
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
What is the love affair with Backman?
Teufel has been in the organization longer.
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Stupid people think that yelling at players and kicking dirt on umpires and throwing bases is going to win games.
If it’s true that Backman is a good teacher and he gets the most out of his players and can manage a game well tactically, then that sounds great. To me, he just sounds like a sideshow.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 5, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This basically.
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
I'd argue that Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia, Jose Contreras, Jon Garland and Orlando Hernandez played a pretty big role in that WS run.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 5, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Houston Astros also choke on dick
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 6, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Those who expected raises
Were told to split
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by RudyTerrasasWarRoom on Oct 5, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
Evidence?
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by Dandy Salderson on Oct 5, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
They are not firings
They deserved raises for a year going by
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by RudyTerrasasWarRoom on Oct 5, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You didn't answer his question
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Yes I did
Evidence of what happened today.
And
Dan Warthen = High Pitch Eric
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by RudyTerrasasWarRoom on Oct 5, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Which ones asked for raises?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All the ones that were let go
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by RudyTerrasasWarRoom on Oct 5, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Evidence?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't do it!
You’ll get caught in an infinite loop!
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
How do you know?
Do you work in the front office?
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 5, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, he does
his office is right out in front of the rotunda
One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Oct 5, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
As a matter of fact,
he’s Adam Rubin’s lobbyist.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 5, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How can a bench coach and bullpen coach have a bad enough performance(s) to deserve a firing?
Both these positions, especially bench coach, seem to have very few responsibilities.
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by Blame-everyone-else on Oct 5, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
Not clear that these are "firings"
They may have wanted more money for next year than the Mets were prepared to pay, or just to move in a different direction. It’s one way to trim money at the margins, especially if there are adequate replacements available.
by dontstopbelieving on Oct 5, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
They want a bench coach with more time in the majors than Obie
probably an ex manager like Bowa.
by graves9 on Oct 5, 2011 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Larry Bowa is grissiony
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure is
He went off on how dumb advanced stats are on the MLB Network the other night.
by graves9 on Oct 5, 2011 4:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like he eats grission for breakfast
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Oct 5, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And Nails for lunch.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 5, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't take financial advice from him, though
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He will sit there waiting for the day TC is canned then swoop in like Jerry.
He did well with the dregs in DC, maybe he is worth a shot.
Fuck Bowa.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Oct 5, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hale
He’s friends with Bob Melvin and already served as his coach in Arizona. And Melvin was expected to hire his own staff now that he has a long-term job in Oakland.
Warthen
I continue to be a bit flummoxed at how Warthen is the guy who sticks around year after year. It’s not like he has some fantastic Duncan-esque track record of improving pitchers or helping them reach their potential. If anything, I’d say that his tenure is marked more by guys who either regress or fail to reach their potential (Pelfrey, Perez, Parnell, and more recently, Igarashi and Carrasco). And Maine blew out his arm (although, at least according to Warthen, Maine did that to himself by not being honest about his condition). The one unqualified success has been Dickey, but he was dominating AAA before he came up last year.
I doubt that he’s largely to blame for this sort of stuff; I just find it a bit perplexing that they haven’t brought in a fresh face.
by dontstopbelieving on Oct 5, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
It's cheapness
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by RudyTerrasasWarRoom on Oct 5, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Proof?
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by Russ on Oct 5, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Dan Warthen
Is still the pitching coach, satisfied?
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by RudyTerrasasWarRoom on Oct 5, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No
If anything, Warthen probably commands a somewhat high salary because he has considerable experience as a pitching coach in the majors. I’m not asking why the Mets don’t go out and try to bring in a “big name” like Dave Duncan or Leo Mazzone who would probably cost more; I’m simply asking why they’re maintaining the status quo when it hasn’t been all that successful.
by dontstopbelieving on Oct 5, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
If you’re going to post nonsense, be expected to called out on it. So again, where is the proof that cheapness has caused Warthen’s retention?
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So all of the other guys were fired because they were too expensive
but they kept Warthen because the team is cheap. Are you Fred Wilpon?
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 5, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Reportedly, Mike Pelfrey and R.A. Dickey both are fans of Warthen, and find his counsel helpful
For however much that is worth.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that was last year's story, though
Pelf can’t be carrying any great weight these days, and who would feel that a knuckleballer offers the best opinion on a coach for the rest of the pitching staff?
I have to assume that Sandy has a handle on what a pitching coach can do, and at least feels that Warthen isn’t doing harm, or he would do something about it. It would be money paid to pitchers going down the drain, when he’s trying to maximize the return on small investments.
I've also read a number of times about how good a job Ricky Bones does
so with him on the big league coaching staff as bullpen coach, you’d have to imagine that Warthen is on a short leash. If the pitchers don’t turn it around, they can just fire Warthen and let Bones (is it pronounced like Bones or like Bonus?) have the job. Apparently, they promoted him because they didn’t want him to leave the organization so they must like the job he does with the pitchers.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 5, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe it's pronounced Bone-ess
and that makes sense to me.
by dontstopbelieving on Oct 5, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It is.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 5, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a Coach
But what’s the deal with Big Rey?
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by RudyTerrasasWarRoom on Oct 5, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
FUCK.
Yeah lets exercise Terry’s option an let our best manager leave. Great. First we let Acta leave and now Hale.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Acta?
Managerial record: 307-427 in the majors. 419-432 in the minors. Acta is one of the worst – possibly the worst – manager in baseball.
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by Dandy Salderson on Oct 5, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanrahan
Begs to differ.
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by Dandy Salderson on Oct 5, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Supposedly Fredi Gonzalez is a forward thinker too.
Acta’s just not that good a manager.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 5, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If Fredi Gonzalez is a "forward thinker"
then…well I don’t even know what. That man is just not a forward thinker. Ask his bunting, sacrificing, IBBing, going by his gutting, failing Atlanta Braves team.
by BurleighGrimes on Oct 5, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Playing Costanza and Diaz over Heyward
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Going by record is not a good way to evaluate managers.
Especially in the minors. And he had crappy National and Indian teams.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
by Ogre39666 on Oct 5, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He destroyed that Nationals bullpen
And over managed along the way. He developed zero good players. I was in DC at the time – he sounded good and always said the right thing, he looked good, but he was a horrendous manager. Havent followed Cleveland as close, but their collapse came as no surprise.
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by Dandy Salderson on Oct 5, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether he made good decisions in the past or not
he is still a forward thinker and I’d rather have that than Terry Collins. Ad I’d rather have Hale that either.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
We are going to have to
agree to disagree on Manny Acta.
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by Dandy Salderson on Oct 5, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Record may not be an all encompassing managerial evaluation, but a .418 winning percentage over five years is not just “not so fantastic”, it STINKS. Only one NL team (Houston) had a lower winning percentage this year – that is his average over five years! Jerry Manuel never had a single year that bad. Dallas Green – once in nine years. Torborg – once in eleven years. Acta has averaged that over a five year period.
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by Dandy Salderson on Oct 5, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If Jerry Manuel had more success and he is a horrible, horrible excuse for a manager
what should that tell you about going by record to judge managers?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
That's fair
Buddy Harrelson and Willie Randolph also had good winning percentages, but were awful managers.
Look at the teams he's managed.
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Off Topic, but no game thread
Did anyone just see Dictorino do the splits falling down in the outfield? It was glorious.
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That is an animated GIF waiting to happen.
by dontstopbelieving on Oct 5, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope he tore his groin muscle, possibly forever damaged a testicle or two
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Like he has testicles.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Oct 5, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The left fielder's
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This totally sucks.
I will miss Hale and having Mookie as 1B coach.
Meanwhile, Dan Warthen stays… He is the one who needs to go.
:-(
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I can't wait for the headlines
from the Dubai Daily News about the shame of these midnight firings. Typical Mets.
by dontstopbelieving on Oct 5, 2011 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
"Chip Hale has signed a two-year deal to be the bench coach in Oakland. "
He saw the Moneyball movie and decided to get into that action! Too bad they skipped the part where Oakland had Mulder, Zito and Hudson as their staff. Poor Chip will not experience that kind of success there now.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Oct 5, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
Fun fact: Barry Zito never really was all that great
xFIP profiles similar to Mike Pelfrey
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 5, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'd love if pelf could give us a 4 WAR season
I’d love it even more if he gave the Royals or Rays a 4 WAR season though. But yeah, a $126mm contract for someone with an xFIP close to 5 is ridiculous. Ollie wishes he could’ve played in Oakland first.
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I'd love it if Pelfrey lucked into a Cy Young Award and an ASG spot.
He’d be a lot easier to trade then.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 6, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
Im glad Mookie is given another opportunity in the organization, why did we let Hale go? Good luck to him in Oakland I guess and why did they keep Warthen? How many bad seasons with lackluster pitching do we have to have until the sob is dumped?
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I don't think they let Hale go.
From what I read, he decided to leave because he’s friends with Bob Melvin and he offered him the bench coach job. It’s not like the Mets could force Hale to stay…they couldn’t chain him to the third base coaching box at Citi Field all year.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 5, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really share the upset about Hale leaving.
He went to work with a friend, but it’s not a manager position. We have his phone number. If in two years we offer the job to him, I’m sure he wouldn’t turn it down.
HITTING COACH
How about Mike Easler as hitting coach?
???
Dave Hudgens is the Mets hitting coach.
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by Steve Schreiber on Oct 6, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
And (so far) doing a great job.
That raises the question, though — Do hitting coaches really have much impact on hitting? HoJo ‘did a good job’ in 2009, then sucked in 2010. Did he suddenly become worse? Did the players suddenly become worse independent of him? Was it all statistical noise?
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