AAOP: You mustn’t be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling
I hope you enjoy my AAOP. It started out as one idea and then took a total turn in the middle of editing it. I had hoped to write more substantially but work and school overtook my best intentions to slack off.
Like a lot of Mets fans out there, I am tired of all the losing, tired of watching the Phillies ,Braves and Yankees make the playoffs while the Mets play meaningless games, tired of being the butt of jokes, and tired of waiting till next year. Yes, we can sit around and hedge our bets on 2013 and beyond, hoping all our young pitchers develop into immediate aces. We can hope that the hitters in the system develop into stars, that F! and Havens stay healthy, that Flores continues to hit and finds a position, that Kirk defies the projections and stays in center and that Puello puts all his tools together. However, it feels like we have been this road forever with the Mets waiting for the next year and the year after. In the infamous words of a certain sideline reporter, I want to win now not three years from now. In my AAOP, the Mets can win this year and the future.
The most glaring area that needs improvement is the pitching staff. The Mets pitchers managed a paltry 8.8 fWAR last year, which was 25th in the Majors. They were a bit better , but not much, judging on their xFIP which was 22nd in the Majors. In order to win the NL East the Mets will need to improve their pitching staff dramatically for 2012. After the jump , I will present my brilliant and ingenious plan on how this can be done.
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The Mets may be in a position to acquire a front line starter this off season, should one be available and should they be willing to trade the necessary pieces. They currently have two pitchers, Zach Wheeler and Matt Harvey, who were both rated as a top 20 pitching prospect in Baseball Americas mid-season prospect report. According to this chart over at Beyond the Boxscore, compiled from Victor Wang's research, the value of a top 25 pitching is worth $15.9 million. That is a very valuable commodity. But who can the Mets trade for in order to give up this valuable piece? There is one pitcher who would be worth trading one of our pitching prospects for. This man:
I know there has been a lot of speculation of whether or not the Mariners will listen to offers for him. Some commentators, most notably on the Mariner SB Nation site Lookout Landing, are of the opinion that trading King Felix is unthinkable. The thinking goes, the man is a one in a generation talent and the return needs to overwhelmingly favorable to trade such a player. Others, most notably in the comments on ESPN and MLB trade rumors, believe it would be foolhardy of Jack Z not to at least listen to trades for him. If you've been listening to WFAN, you've probably heard Yankee fans discussing trading Montero for Felix. In fact three of the top five Google results for Felix Hernandez trade are trades with the Yankees.The thought process to trade him seems to be that the Mariners are in a total rebuild mode now. They have a good group of young pitchers at the MLB level and in the minors right now. They are at least two years away from making any noise in the AL West, which brings them right up to Hernandez's last year under contract. Their offensive players are a few years away at least. In the meantime, Felix's contract gets expensive starting this year where he is due $18.5 million. If the Mariners are listening to offers for him I want the Mets to be there calling. Fortunately, using this trade value calculator over at Beyond the Boxscore, we can estimate how much net value Felix will be worth over the next three years of his contract. With a contract that owes him $18.5, $19.5, and $20 million over the next three years and assuming he will be worth 6 WAR going forward, that puts his net value at near $30 million. If we were to give up one of Wheeler and Harvey that gives about half the expected value in return. The other half ? That would be Daniel Murphy. Assuming Murphy can be a 2.5 WAR player going forward, over the next three years he will return almost $20 million in net value. And that is just in the next three years. A position player who will be making the minimum salary, is under team control for the next five years and can hit like Murphy is extremely valuable. Add in Captain Kirk, who I fully expect to be upgraded to at least a B prospect by John Sickels (valued at $5 million), and Mike Pelfrey ($1 million) and the Mariners are getting back more value than they will be giving. In terms of WAR, Murphy and Pelfrey have the ability to collectively reach 5 fWAR, which is just one win shy of Felix's projected WAR, with a savings of $13 million. Pelfrey gives them a one year stop gap for their young pitchers to develop, Murphy is an instant upgrade at third over Figgins, Kirk probably jumps to the top of their outfield prospect list, and they receive one of the top 20 pitching prospects in the game. The biggest hindrance to this is how does Seattle sell this move to the fans? To make this move an easier sell, the Mets would have to add in either Jenrry Mejia ( value of $7 million) or another Grade B hitting prospect like Flores ( $5 million).
So to summarize: Move # 1 - The Mets send Daniel Murphy, Mike Pelfrey, Matt Harvey or Zach Wheeler, KIrk Nieuwenhuis and one more Grade B prospect to Seattle for Felix Hernandez.
Looks real nice, huh?
Move # 2- Resign Chris Capuano to a two year $11 million deal.
via www.baseballprospectus.com
Capuano had a decent season and was actually worth 1.8 fWAR this past season. He proved himself durable as well this past year as he threw 186 innings. His FIP was 4.04, which while not spectacular is quite decent for a number four starter. So the rotation will be Felix Hernandez, R.A Dickey, Jon Niese, Johan Santana, Chris Capuano. This also allows the Mets to keep Dillon Gee in the minors as insurance should anyone get hurt, or Santana can't pitch effectively. In this plan we are not really relying on Santana that much, so if he really can't do much like those that have had the surgery before him, it is no big loss.
I'll let R.A. Dickey and his son make the case for the last big move of the off sesason.
(via r.a.dickey's twitter account)
Move # 3 - Resign Jose Reyes.
Most people are saying 5/100 so I'll go along with that with the first year of the contract paying him $16 million. The Mets need to keep their top players if they want to compete in 2012. Reyes is one of the top players in baseball. Nothing more needs to be said.
The easier moves....
Move # 4 - Go to arbitration with Ronny Paulino and Manny Acosta
via www.baseballprospectus.com
This one was a bit tough as Paulino, while he hit well vs. lefties (wOBA of .328), it appeared as if his defense was lacking behind the plate. However, good backup catchers are not really available, and Paulino may reach Type B status next season, making him valuable to the Mets. At MLB trade rumors, they value him getting $1.5 million in arbitration.
Acosta was easier for me. He was perhaps the Mets best reliever last season. His K/9 was close to nine while his BB/9 was close to three. He pitched with a slightly high BABIp and still managed to keep his FIP at 3.8. MLB trade rumors thinks Acosta will receive an arbitration value of $1 million.
Move # 5 - Sign Angel Pagan to a 3 year $12 million contract.
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Pagan is a classic buy low candidate. He put up incredible numbers in 2010 and in limited plate appearances in 2009. In fact, he was the fifth best CF in baseball in 2010 judging solely on fWAR. His 2011 season however, saw a stark decline in all categories, offensively and defensively. While he walked more and struck out less than he did in 2010, his power disappeared, and Pagan saw a huge decrease ijn his wOBA. However, it does seem as if he was battling some bad luck all season as his BABIP was below his normal by about 45 points. On the defensive side of the ball, UZR/150 saw a stark decline in 2010 as well putting him at -16.1 at CF. DRS was a bit kinder putting him at about average. It is difficult to believe though that what we saw in the two previous years was an aberration. It would seem hard to understand that one can go from a plus 13 fielder to a negative 16 fielder in one year. It has been said by sportscasters often that struggling in one area of the game such as a batting slump, will often lead to struggles in the field as well. Perhaps that was part of it. Whatever the case, I think we can count on Pagan to rebound nicely this year. In the worst case, the contract is only for 4 million a year, where to be worth the contract all he has to do is be worth 1 WAR per year.
Move # 6 - Resign Miguel Batista for $0.9 million as a long man/spot starter.
via www.baseballprospectus.com
With these moves plus the money the Mets are already committed to paying, I have just about reached the $110 million cap.That means remaining players must all come from the organization and be cheap. Here I present the total 2012 NY Mets.
The starting line up:
via www.baseballprospectus.com
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Ruben Tejada had a very nice 2011 season. Playing in a bit less than 100 games, he was worth 1.8 fWAR due to to an average bat for second base and some good fielding all while being only 22 years of age. Look for Tejada to add some power to make him more valuable in 2012.
via www.baseballprospectus.com
Nothing more to say about David.Hopefully the changes to Citi field bring back at least some of the old David Wright.
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After an extremely promising rookie season, came out mashing last year, only to have an ankle injury cause him to miss most of the season. Hopefully Ike comes back next year and picks up right where he left off.
via www.baseballprospectus.com
via www.baseballprospectus.com
Lucas Duda looked like nice young player with the bat last year. However, he needs to improve on his defense at least a bit in order for him to have much value. He was only worth 0.9 fWAR due to abysmal fielding ratings. Hopefully moving him to LF where he is more comfortable will help him with his defense.
via www.baseballprospectus.com
There doesn't seem to be much the Mets can do with Bay at this point. Hopefully he figures something out at the plate. In the field, Bay moves to RF to allow Duda to play at his natural position. With the new dimensions at Citi, he should not have too much difficulty making this switch.
via www.baseballprospectus.com
Josh Thole had a rocky rookie season. However he did manage a 310 wOBA against righties and had some good moments over the course of the season. In fact in June and August he posted a wOBA of .390 and .364 respectively. The other months? Awful. But hopefully Thole improves in 2012 and gives the Mets more value at the catcher position.
The starting pitching..
Jon Niese was absolutely greatv last year. While he pitched to an E.R.A. of 4.4, his FIP and xFIP were almost a full run lower suggesting a lot of bad luck for Niese. If he can avoid the freakish injuries, he should be a valuable part of the Mets rotation.
via www.rotowire.com
The man god at AA, Dickey once again had a brilliant season.
via www.baseballprospectus.com
I am not sure what to expect from Santana. The othe rpitchers who have gone through similar surgeries do not have a good track record coming back. plus, we haven't heard much about his recovery since progress was derailed in late August. We do have Dillon Gee at AAA in case we need, plus Miguel Batista can be placed in the rotation if need be.
Here I present the final total roster with the salary in millions and (my) projected WAR for 2012.
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Name |
Salary |
Po |
Projected WAR |
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Jose Reyes |
$16.00 |
SS |
5 |
|
|
Ruben Tejada |
$0.40 |
2B |
2.5 |
|
|
Angel Pagan |
$4.00 |
CF |
2.5 |
|
|
$0.40 |
1B |
4 |
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David Wright |
$15.00 |
3B |
3.2 |
|
|
Lucas Duda |
$0.40 |
LF |
2.5 |
|
|
$16.00 |
RF |
2 |
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|
Josh Thole |
$0.40 |
C |
1.5 |
|
|
Jason Pridie |
$0.40 |
OF |
0.7 |
|
|
Justin Turrner |
$0.40 |
INF |
0.4 |
|
|
Nick Evans |
$0.40 |
OF |
0.3 |
|
|
Ronny Paulino |
$1.50 |
C |
0.7 |
|
|
Josh Satin |
$0.40 |
INF |
0.5 |
|
|
Tim Byrdak |
$1.20 |
RP |
0.3 |
|
|
D.J. Carrasco |
$1.20 |
RP |
0 |
|
|
Manny Acosta |
$1.00 |
RP |
0.4 |
|
|
Bobby Parnell |
$0.40 |
RP |
0.6 |
|
|
Daniel Herrera |
$0.40 |
RP |
0 |
|
|
Miguel Batista |
$0.90 |
RP |
0.5 |
|
|
Pedro Beato |
$0.40 |
RP |
0 |
|
|
R.A. Dickey |
$4.25 |
SP |
2.5 |
|
|
Johan Santana |
$24.00 |
SP |
2 |
|
|
Jon Niese |
$0.40 |
SP |
3 |
|
|
Felix Hernandez |
$18.00 |
SP |
6 |
|
|
Chris Capuano |
$5.50 |
SP |
1.8 |
|
|
$113.35 |
42.9 |
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As you can see in my plan, the Mets should have about 43 total WAR next season which puts them at about 91 wins and definitely in the Wild Card race. Should any of the young players perform better than expected, or Wright and Bay return to form, winning the NL East is also quite possible. The total salary project at about $113.5 million, or $3.5 million over the cap given by AA. However, the extra 3 million should pay for itself with a run deep into the playoffs.
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I highly doubt that Felix trade would get accepted
Even if you included Harvey AND Wheeler, it wouldn’t go through.
And other than that, this is literally the same exact team.
Bobby Baseball - The future of Amazin' Avenue.
I like that you used the trade calculator to keep things reasonable
I’m not in favor of trading top 100 pitching prospects, but if you’re going to, getting Felix instead of a guy like Shields (which I’ve seen lobbied before) is probably the way to go. That said, you say “another B prospect” as if they grow on trees. By my count, our unranked B prospects would be Wilmer Flores, Juan Urbina (maybe) and Jefre Marte (maybe). Are you really prepared to give up Murphy, Harvey, Niewenhuis and Flores? Also I disagree with Bobby Baseball — I see no reason why Seattle might not do it.
Yes.
I wouldn’t give up that much for most pitchers but Felix is worth it. 6 WAR pitchers grow on fewer trees than B ranked prospects. Another B prospect, would be Mejia who was ranked a B prospect last season before TJ surgery.
A deadline has a wonderful way of concentrating the mind.-Professor James Moriarty
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.- Former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
by Blame-everyone-else on Nov 1, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, well, you know what you want, I guess
Harvey, Mejia, Niewenhuis, Murphy. That’s too rich for my blood — but I was never the guy to go all in holding a mediocre hand.
by robotoverlord on Nov 1, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting move
I think I agree with Bobby Baseball. They’ve got their top talent in the majors and would need a king’s ransom to part ways with King Felix at this point. He’s their main ticket to quick success. That of course with a bunch of other prospects panning out. Parting ways with Felix makes their job harder.
I like the signing of Pagan, but don’t pay Batista .9 when we’re already paying Carrasco 1.2!
Astro Travellin'
It is a kings ransom
and Seattle may be a few years away from competing in the AL West. They were the worst hitting team in the majors last year and all their highly ranked prospects are pitchers.
A deadline has a wonderful way of concentrating the mind.-Professor James Moriarty
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.- Former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
by Blame-everyone-else on Nov 2, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Except for Dustin Ackley who exploded last year.
And Baseball America only has 4 pitchers on Seattle’s top-10 from the beginning of the season. Sickels has two non-pitchers ranked as B- or better besides Ackley with several position playering C+’s.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
Carp didn't do too bad himself, either
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 2, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
1) Are we really in a position to gut the farm for Felix?
And I’d think they would just turn around to the Yankees and say " Hey, look at what the Mets are offering? Are you going got let them upstage you? How about Montero/Sanchez, Banuelos, and Brett Gardner?"
2) I like the extension to Pagan, but I don’t know if I’d go 3 years.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
1- Before last season most people thought the Mets would be a .500 ball club
Injuries kind of stopped that from happening. Felix is the difference between mediocre and yje playoffs for the Mets. Also, Cashman has seemed pretty reluctant to trade any young players save for Montero.
2- Why would the third year be a problem for you?
A deadline has a wonderful way of concentrating the mind.-Professor James Moriarty
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.- Former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
by Blame-everyone-else on Nov 2, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If it's a 3-year extension or non-tender, I'd definitely go 3-year extension.
I’m only hesitant because he is 30 and there is a non-zero chance that the 2011 version is the new Pagan. Even then though, it wouldn’t be a bad contract so I’m not saying “no, that’s bad”, just that I thought it a tiny bit much.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Keep Reyes, Trade Wilpon.
I know this has nearly no chance of happening
But i would love to get Felix
Down 2 in the bottom of the ninth?
Lets Bring in Willie Harris!
A new King of Queens?
I like it! I’ll give up 3-4 question marks for an exclamation point like Felix any day. Bullpen will be a bit shaky, hopefully Acosta and Parnell could get it done. Seems like minor league help is likely about a year away for the pen, unless a starter is converted. I might have let Capuano go, keep Gee/Schwinden as #5 and tried for someone like Nathan instead.
Considering we have no idea what Johan will be
it is imperative that the Mets have some starting pitching in the minors. Any plan that has either Gee or Schwinden starting in the rotation thus weakens any depth you can have.
A deadline has a wonderful way of concentrating the mind.-Professor James Moriarty
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.- Former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
by Blame-everyone-else on Nov 3, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
That $24 million next to Johan's name kind of sticks out.Over 20% of total payroll.
by Putnan Prince on Nov 3, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It really does
and he’s due $25.5 million in 2013 as well. Not that I thought the signing was a mistake when it was done, but what an albatross that may be if Johan can’t come back.
A deadline has a wonderful way of concentrating the mind.-Professor James Moriarty
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.- Former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
by Blame-everyone-else on Nov 4, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, a part of me wishes that we weren't able to trade for Johan, that the Yankees did,
and that that next off-season, we went overboard for Sabathia. They’re getting the same amount of money, and the difference is well, very apparent.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 4, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel the same way
That offseason I was dreading the Yankees getting him and now if we could all turn back the clock we wish they would have gotten him.
Even if he comes back it's still ended up being a horrendous contract
I think the very best cast scenario when it comes to Johan is that he’s a good #3 starter.

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