When the Walls Go Blue

After three frustrating seasons in Citi Field which really had nothing to do with the fences and everything to do with the team, the Mets announced yesterday that they will make major alterations to the fences this winter.
New sections of an outfield wall will stand in front of the deepest and quirkiest parts of the existing walls to create a uniform, eight-foot home run line from corner-to-corner. Howie Rose’s "Great Wall of Flushing" will merely be a backdrop to the new fence in left field, the 415-foot gap in right-center field will be no more, and the unnecessarily odd Mo’s Zone will be eliminated. And to top it all off, the Mets are painting the new fence blue.
The most important thing about the changes is that they will obviously have an impact on the game of baseball as it is played in Citi Field. Home runs will be easier to come by, though no one can really be sure how much easier. Sandy Alderson said a couple months ago that he’d like the park to be middle-of-the-pack in home runs per game, and the announced changes in dimensions make plenty of sense towards achieving that goal. Citi Field should by no means turn into a launching pad for home runs.
To whatever extent hitters benefit, pitchers will suffer the consequences, but the Mets’ pitching staff - whoever that may be on Opening Day - should probably not be alarmed. Allowing another home run or two over the course of a season should not make or break any member of the rotation or the bullpen.
Generally speaking, an added bonus of the new walls is that outfielders will have a chance to rob any close-call home runs from opposing hitters. That may not be an enjoyable thing to watch with Jason Bay and Lucas Duda manning the corners, but Mets fans are obviously familiar with just how exciting it can be to watch someone rob a home run. It’s a part of the game that was virtually non-existent in the first three years at Citi Field.
Perhaps the greatest benefit of the changes to the fence is that we’ll no longer have to endure hearing things like, "Jason Bay would rather play in Beiruit." As James Kannengiesr put it on Twitter, "so will [generic flyball pitcher] no longer be a perfect fit at Citi Field?" I’d imagine the changes in the park will be credited or blamed with some changes in performance, but the constant suggestion that the mere thought of Citi Field is what destroyed the Mets’ power hitters should eventually fade away.
From a fan’s perspective, the installation of new seats in left field is good news, assuming the Mets allow fans to hang out there during batting practice. I’m sure the seats will be priced at a premium - "Left Field Landing Double Platinum" sounds about right - for those who wish to sit there during a game, but if you’re in the mood to yell at Jason Bay all day or just want to feel like you’re sitting on top of the field of play, these will be your new favorite seats.
All in all, it’s a job well done by the Mets. The announced changes will make life easier for hitters but shouldn’t destroy pitchers, and fans who so desperately wanted to see changes in the layout or color of the outfield wall should be satisfied, too, at least for a few minutes.
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Love the changes
And the blue looks wonderfully Metsian.

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by Russ on Nov 1, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
HOORAY!
and I mean that truly.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 1, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I think this is completely silly
the blue helps. Having the entire fence be free from ads would be even better.
If it gets the dimensions out of the heads of the hitters (and the media) then… meh… whatever.
Now, how will Jason injure himself against the short fence?
We should all hope that this is completely silly
That way the Mets will continue to lead the league in SAR (silliness above replacement.)
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Eliminating the Mo Zone is a cause for celebration
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 1, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
It sure is
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Has anyone noticed they are defying the laws of physics
Left center is being “moved in” from 384 to 385.
Only the Mets…
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The Dude abides.
Different spot on the wall
Am I doing this right?
by brooklynberger on Nov 1, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know, but wouldn't you want to show the same spot
in order to illustrate the change.
"It's such a fine line between stupid...and clever."
The Dude abides.
Its obviously going to be shorter in the same location
They are just disclosing what the new identified longest distances will be
Pennants/Retired Numbers
Will these be able to stay where they are (as in the mock up), or would they be blocked by the seats behind the new wall. The staircases might also obscure the view and/or limit the available space for commemorating our glorious players and victories of the future!
According to the drawings on the Mets website, yes

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/information/index.jsp?content=new_outfield
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Oh that shade of blue...
Brings a tear to my eye
It's a lovely shade of blue
It would go great with the cream pin-striped unis.
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Surely you mean the only uniforms worth recognizing
Unless they bring back the road grays with all blue hats.
I meant if that shade of blue was used for the hats
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I can see the news now....
Fan at Citi Field falls from old seats to new seats, breaks multiple bones landing on hard concrete…..if the Mets had left the field alone, the fan would have landed on the soft grass instead and walked away.
Or…..ball ricochets off the back wall, hits fan in back of the head.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Is there going to be space between the old wall and the new wall down the left field line between the Delta and Caesars signs?
Looking at the picture above and the field dimention below, it doesn’t look like it (or am I missing something?). Would this mean that a ball that just bounces off the wall above the line and back into play is automatically a HR?

I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Nov 2, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Shades of the multipurpose 70's stadiums.
IIRC, Riverfront and Three Rivers had those annoying homerun lines. With better replay it shouldn’t be an issue getting it right, but I’ve always hated that.
I would assume that anything over the line is a HR.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 3, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm also curious to see what happens with the door in the left field wall.
The one where they put the batting practice cage.

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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 1, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Could open it up to keep some quality tap beers for the players during games since locker room
might be dried out by MLB.
by Putnan Prince on Nov 1, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This is but another example
of the Wilpons being boneheads. HRs seemed to go out for Chase Utley. Can’t we just get a Mulligan on the whole fucking piece of shit stadium?
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rest of the stadium is just fine by me. The right-center promenade is fantastic and I actually like the outer facade, even if some people grumble about Brooklyn over Queens (like two fleas arguing, everyone knows Manhattan is #1).
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 1, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Food is cheaper and possibly better in Queens
Especially the glorious Italian Deli
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 1, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw Queens and Manhattan
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 1, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Screw Brooklyn.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 1, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooklyn is awesome
Don’t be a hater.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 2, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Brooklyn is awesome
Don’t be a hater.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 2, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Brooklyn is awesome
Don’t be a hater.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 2, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Keith
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 2, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Manhattan's awesomer.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 2, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit yes, it's expensive.
"And that's why anybody who invested with Lenny Dykstra should really call that number. Lawyers are standing by."
by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 3, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Manhattan is a bit overrated.
Brooklyn is the coolest city on the planet.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 2, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Manhattan is both overrated and underrated
As someone who grew up in Brooklyn, but now lives in Manhattan, I appreciate both. Each offers things that the other does not.
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Live in Brooklyn, go to school in manhattan. I love it, but everything is too damn expensive.
And I can’t drive there. No freaking parking
Manhattan does offer things Brooklyn doesn't
Brooklyn is still better, however.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And Manhattan doesn't?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 2, 2011 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not like in years past
Most of the Manhattan hipsters have moved to North Brooklyn.
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Thanks, Russ
I put the blame for that squarely on your shoulders.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 2, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You can blame me
but I heard that they moved to Brooklyn to hang out with you.
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Perish the thought
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 3, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Keith
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Brooklyn is awesome
Don’t be a hater.
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Nothing really against Brooklyn
(except hipsters, which isn’t Brooklyn’s fault), but I’ve got to stand up for my boro.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 3, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
nothing wrong with Citi Field
except for the name and the team the plays in it.
Am I doing this right?
by brooklynberger on Nov 2, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It'd be interesting to see
how many more homers the 2011 Mets would’ve hit with these new dimensions. My guess is, not a whole lot. Wright would have had a few more, but it’s not like this team was hitting the wall that often.
Changing Approach
While the former season’s trajectory might indicate that not THAT many more balls would go out, I think that players’ mindset will be changed that more naturally they hit homeruns.
With the mental effect of things like The Great Wall gone and the absurd Moe’s Zone, there may just be a more relaxed mindset at the plate and therefore naturally players might have more swings end up as HRs. Especially because they won’t be so worried on feeling the need to hit one so hard they have to knock the cover off the ball to get it out
One of the many mistakes the Wilponzies have made that is being rectified by Sandy Alderson.
Fred’s shrine to his Brooklyn Dodgers is slowly blue by blue being changed to our Stadium.Guess Freddy must have really hated the N.Y.Giants and their rich NL history because they have no place in Jackie Robinsonville.
Fuck the Giants
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 1, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets fans were Dodger fans first
So yeah, Fuck the Giants
Mets, Jets, Islanders, Knicks.
GO RANGERS! Get Endy a ring!
So where did all those Giant fans go to? They stayed with the NL and the Mets in 1962.They both left in 1957.Mets
played in the Polo Grounds(Giants home) their first 2 seasons.Both the Dodgers and Giants fans hated the Yankees.
by Putnan Prince on Nov 1, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have no idea
My family was always Brooklyn fans
Mets, Jets, Islanders, Knicks.
GO RANGERS! Get Endy a ring!
Fuck them for being Giants fans
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 2, 2011 12:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hatfield and McCoys
NYC style.
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my dad (from the bronx) was a Giant fan
he became a met fan.
Am I doing this right?
by brooklynberger on Nov 2, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The green seats
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Yeah!
Make everything blue so it’s totally unlike the Dodgers.
by Chris McShane on Nov 2, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
If Wright has another down year,
will he have blue walls from his lack of HRs?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 1, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I guess
As much as I love the guy if he has another year like he had in 2011 next year, he should not be back in 2013.
That's one brave assumption
to make without acknowledging the myriad of ways a lesser year could manifest itself.
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by Wright of passage on Nov 1, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
there was no assumptions made
I actually think he’ll rebound and get back to his ’05-06 levels.
by graves9 on Nov 1, 2011 10:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
Going into ‘12 healthy, refreshed and with a full slate of home games to look ahead to in a neutrally adjusted park, something like that just might actually happen. Good God I can’t wait for spring already.
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by Wright of passage on Nov 1, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blue walls hurt
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