2011 Postmortem: Right Field
2011 Postmortem: A position-by-position look back at the season with some preliminary thoughts on 2012.
Mets fans could not have realistically asked for a better 2011 season from Carlos Beltran. Our hero tore the cover off the ball for four months, hit three home runs in a game against the Rockies in May and was flipped to the Giants at the trade deadline for pitcher Zack Wheeler, now one of the organization's top prospects. The Mets have never seen a better center fielder.
Beltran is probably still underappreciated by the Mets' fanbase but his legacy received a booster shot with his strong 2011. To all those still hating, there is this:
Lucas Duda was on the Opening Day roster but shuttled between Flushing and Triple-A Buffalo in April and May. He dominated in the minors during this stretch, to the tune of a .302/.414/.597 triple slash line. With nothing left to prove at the lower levels, he was recalled to the Mets in early June for good. From that point onward, he was one of the team's top hitters, bested only by Jose Reyes and Beltran in wOBA for batters with 300+ plate appearances. Duda's offensive peripherals (walk rate, strikeout rate, isolated power) were all respectable, so his success wasn't due to the True SABR's dreaded BABIP-inflated performance.
A reason I like Duda is that he dominated the upper levels of the minor leagues prior to getting a real shot in the big leagues. In 393 career Triple-A plate appearances, he posted a 1.003 OPS. In 556 Double-A plate appearances, he posted a .839 OPS, with a .914 OPS in his most recent Double-A season, 2010. Duda is not a high-potential, low performance guy, like a Lastings Milledge or Fernando Martinez. He proved his mettle against high caliber opposition, essentially forcing his way to the big club. This appeals to me as someone who doesn't have, and doesn't pretend to have, much expertise in scouting. I can't look at Duda's swing and say that he'll be a productive major leaguer for years to come. I can look at his prodigious power and above average walk rate in the minors as a relative young'n and say that there's a good chance he'll enjoy success in MLB. Obviously there have been many terrific high-potential, low-performance prospects (Reyes comes to mind) but I'll leave identification of those types to the billions of anonymous scouts out there.
Speaking of Fernando Martinez, the 23 Year-Old Hitting Machine made a cameo in May. He logged 23 plate appearances, striking out 7 times while hitting 1 home run. Unfortunately for Martinez, Pat Misch was credited:
At this point, Martinez is an afterthought. He famously can't stay healthy and still can't draw a walk. Plus he's blocked by Duda and crappy-but-still-better-than-Fartinez Jason Bay in the corner positions. His only hope next season is a crazy breakout start in Triple-A, coupled with the continued suckage of Bay. Rest in peace, Omar Minaya's dream outfield of Carlos Beltran, Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez.
Concerns about Duda's defense are valid. He failed both the eye test and the advanced metrics test in 2011. Still, his bat alone makes him the Opening Day right field starter next season. A projection close to .270/.350/.475 seems reasonable. Hopefully the headaches he experienced after colliding with the outfield wall in St. Louis towards the end of the season won't be an issue.
Desired 2012 starting right fielder: Lucas Duda
Projected 2012 starting right fielder: Lucas Duda
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so have I. Well played.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 14, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions
It burns
Ever since he used that toilet at Citizens Bank Park.
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by Dandy Salderson on Nov 14, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I always recommend wearing Depends in Philadelphia
Always.
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by Dandy Salderson on Nov 14, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
How about platooning Martinez in LF with Bay?
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No chance to trade Bay if he becomes a platoon player
Also, his 2011 splits were worse than his career average, so I wouldn’t read too much into them.
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I'm not sure this is true if he puts up excellent numbers.
by Mike Clemente on Nov 14, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
If Bay was platooned, he would only be batting against lefties (fewer PAs)
With the size of his contract, that makes it quite difficult to move him.
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If Bay hits .350/.450/.600 in 2012, it's still going to be relativley difficult to move him
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 14, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
But we would have a chance without eating as much of his salary
As long as stupid GMs remain employed in baseball, there is hope.
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I lobby for platoon, considering the vest
2014 option guaranteed with 600 PAs in 2013 or 500 PAs in both 2012, 2013
I mean, there is no shot to trade him either way, so I am in full KRod mode about the vest at this point.
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by Dandy Salderson on Nov 14, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
That's a good point about the vest
but there is still plenty of time to platoon him.
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To clarify
We wouldn’t have to start a platoon until the beginning of the 2013 season if he is still here.
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Even if he starts to play well it will be an incredibly difficult contract to move
He’s in his 30’s and is coming off of two terrible season and have a hefty contract and a silly vesting option.
I like the idea of platooning Bay but
I don’t know if Martinez is the right choice. I don’t have faith in him producing adequately at the major league level (or staying on the field long enough). I think if anyone, Nieuwenhuis would be the guy to come up and split time with Bay, should they need someone to do that. I don’t think he’ll need a whole lot of time down in AAA.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 14, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, I don't even remember Martinez being on the big league club, let alone hitting a home run
Duda, I just wish his defense improves. You figure, if they make right field smaller and less weird, and Pagan has a rebound season defensively, that’ll help.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 14, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions
He hit it off Houston in a really bizarre game.
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Nov 14, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think it'll ultimately be better for all concerned if we trade Duda to a team that needs a 1B/DH
His defense in RF was atrocious, and it’s not like he’s a speedy guy who just needs to get better reads either.
If he has a good first half, I wouldn’t be shocked if he gets moved mid-season.
Or if Bay gets moved, Duda goes to LF
And his poor defense was because of bad reads more than anything.
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I'd also prefer
Duda moving to LF (via Bay being gone) than trading him. He’s got a great bat, he’s hit at every level, and once he got comfortable with regular playing time he started raking. The lefty power combo of Ike and Duda is something we should keep in the lineup for as long as it’s available to us.
Even if he learns to get better jumps
And there’s not a whole lot of reason to think he’ll get better, since he’s not new to the outfield….we’re still talking about a 255 lb tank who’s barely adequate at 1B and has a career minor league SB success rate of 36%.
Actually he is new to the OF
He really started playing LF regularly last year, and RF this year. From my observations, Duda’s play in LF improved from last year to this year. He also seemed to become less horrible this year in RF as the season came to a close.
I’m convinced that with time, Duda can become a mediocre defensive corner outfielder.
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He looked bad in RF late in the year too
I saw no improvement in RF from him. He does have a very strong arm.
I believe that I saw an improvement
When he first started playing RF, he was borderline running in circles when a ball was hit near him. By the end of the season, he was still getting bad reads, but they seemed to be better. Duda seemed to have an idea of where he should be. He was still bad in RF, but I believe that we was improved. If he can continue to improve, Duda could become an average defensive outfielder.
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Here is some fun with an extremely small sample size
Lucas Duda played 29 innings this year in left field, where he posted a 30.8 UZR/150.
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So he should win the GG this year, then?
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 14, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
It was also because he's a lumbers around
I would move Bay to RF and Duda to LF and hope Duda does less damanage in LF.
I agree to an extent, though I doubt he's moved this year or even next year.
They just don’t have enough quality outfield depth close to the majors right now. Nieuwenhuis and Lagares both look like 4th outfielders, I wouldn’t trust F! at all with a big league job and guys like den Dekker and Puello are still too far away and too iffy for a number of reasons (mainly concerning plate discipline). I think best case scenario, Duda moves to LF at the point when Bay gets benched, dealt or cut and they let Duda do his thing at the league minimum until there are hopefully better options 2-3 years down the road on the farm, free agency or trade market, at which point they swap Duda for a need (pitching, a starting player, etc).
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 14, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Carlos Beltran
has got your RBIs right here
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