Friday Morning CBA Applesauce
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 18, 2011 9:18 AM EST
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PrintFor the first time in a while, we'll start the day off with news that doesn't pertain specifically to the NY Mets. MLB and the MLBPA managed to avoid the NBA's "nuclear winter" situation and agree to a new CBA which will ensure uninterrupted baseball for the next 5 seasons. While the deal will be officially announced on Monday so we can dissect the specifics then, we do know that several changes will be coming for sure. The Astros will be moving to the AL and in doing so actually increasing the quality of competition in the NL Central.
It looks like the Wilpons are making significant progress in their sales of minor stakes of the team. According to some reports, the Mets have now raised about 140 million dollars. I suppose this is good news for the near future, but I can't help but wish the previous deal had not collapsed that may have eventually rid the Mets of the Wilpons.
The Mets have made a few moves that should help keep the folks in Buffalo happy. Wally Backman was named the manager, so now there will be a sentimental tie to the '86 Mets. They also resigned Val Pascucci on a minor league deal.
The GM Meeting typically name huge numbers of players whose teams are shopping them, and this year seems to be no different despite the initial absence of a CBA. Word out of Milwaukee yesterday was that Daniel Murphy was available, although no details of what the Mets were seeking seem to have leaked out. I'd be surprised if Murphy was moved prior to resolution on the Reyes situation, but you never know.
Rumblings also started yesterday that the club may be interested in bringing back fan favorite Endy Chavez. While I don't know if this would really soften the blow if Reyes leaves, I'd certainly rather watch Endy come up to the plate from time to time than "Met killer" Willie Harris.
Ike Davis says his ankle has been quite good for some time now and that he's likely to begin training for the season earlier than he usually does due to the extended layoff. The MSM everywhere should be smiling, as Davis has clearly opened the door for the first ITBSOHL piece of the season.
FanGraphs took a little look at Heath Bell and park effects. This would probably be more relevent if the Mets hadn't changed the dimensions of Citifield, but seeing as we're involved in the closer market it's still certainly worth a read. As far as the dimension changes here go, Metsblog had a shot of the construction in Flushing.
For those of you into much deeper looks at the game, Baseball Prospectus took a look at who controls how hard the ball is hit.
Finally, congratulations to Clayton Kershaw of the Dodgers for beating out the Pillies staff for the NL Cy Young award.
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I haven't seen a wildcard specific post so excuse me if I missed it, but I'll just put my opinion on the additions here
Bug Selig hates baseball, america, and freedom.
one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming
by Gina on Nov 18, 2011 9:24 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
bud selig does hate all those things
and babies, i’m assuming.
but i like the new scheduling and playoff scenario. so much less unbalanced. and finally an incentive (a huge one) to win the division rather than the wildcard.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
I hate the new schedule, bug selig, and some babies
30 interleague games? Interleague games all season long? Stupid. Stupid stupid stupid.
i didnt even realize they'd added more interleague games.
[insert single teared bald eagle pic]
one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming
If they're actually going to 30 interleague games then I'll be the first to call for immediate assassination
But Stark reported it’s not so:
There is only one schedule format that’s mathematically perfect — but it would include 30 interleague games for each team.
That would mean all five teams in a division would play three interleague games apiece against the five clubs in the corresponding division in the other league (i.e., AL Central versus NL Central), plus three more apiece against five teams in a different division (i.e., AL Central versus NL West one year, then NL East the next).
But sources say there’s still strong resistance to playing that many interleague games per year, so it’s more likely they stick to the current 18. That would mean all five teams in one division would play three times apiece against every team in one division in the other league (i.e., NL West versus AL East) — plus three “rivalry” games per team instead of the current six.
formatting got bollocksed somehow
If Stark is right, it seems to me the changes are merely ugly and dumb, not immediately destructive of everything that is good about baseball.
whats the big deal about more interleague play?
why does anyone care? its just some made up division foisted on us by the DL and some long vanished vestigial corporate distinctions.
everyone moaned when the went to the current interleague schedule and then people got used to it and it was fine. if you go to 30 games now it’ll be fine too. just skip the moaning part.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
by kendynamo on Nov 18, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It isn't fine now, either
We should be moving in the direction of less interleague play, not more. The novelty value has long since worn off, and it has absolutely nothing to recommend it compared to the interest generated by having two meaningfully separated leagues that only meet at special, important times.
by anonymous on Nov 18, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Baseball is just a bunch of made-up conditions superimposed on a children's ball game
A lot of baseball’s appeal is its tradition. Not all of that tradition is positive, of course, (segregation, anyone?) but nor is it all completely disposable. The current Interleague schedule actually did take a lot fo the intrigue out of the traditional interleague competitions, the playoffs and World Series, all in the service of some “rivalry” games that were cool for a couple of years until the novelty wore off.
Yeah, exactly
The appeal to tradition is not usually my favorite thing at all, but I feel like what makes baseball interesting is largely its historical continuity — the fact that there are recognizable similarities between the game of the ’20s and the game of the ’40s and the game today, not just in the rules themselves but in the way the game is organized and talked about and played. All of these interleague-play and playoff changes seem like video-game fantasy versions of baseball — or, more accurately, ill-considered attempts to capture a multi-sport, “casual fan,” gamer audience that is wrongly perceived as having a super-short attention span and chasing novelty rather than valuing the long story and the longer history.
well, our milage varies then
id rather the whole league was in one giant division and we had a truly balanced schedule. even if it means imposing the DL on the NL. i think it would be fine.
maybe its because the ASG isnt special to me. they could get rid of it and i’d be fine with that. and i dont see the WS as a match up between two separate leagues. i never did. i always considered a match up of 2 teams from either side of an arbitrarily divided league.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
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i dont see the WS as a match up between two separate leagues. i never did. i always considered a match up of 2 teams from either side of an arbitrarily divided league.
I think that baseball is the only remaining sports league that is actually constitute from two superstate leagues is part of it’s charm. I mean, I guess you still have vestiges of it remaining in football, but it’s not the same since one league absorbed another in that case.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
yeah theres charm
but then theres expansion and relocation and league switching. so a lot of the charm is eroded. and so the appeal of real balanced schedule (or close to one) far out weighs the appeal of the connection to history. which is still there, there teams are the same, the records and history is all still there. we just finally acknowledging that it has no practical value and hasnt had any practical value for a long time.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
I don't see why baseball needs practical value
It’s an old game with old traditions. They should just let it be.
Still Amazin'.
Jose Reyes is a MET in 2012.
good point
if its old, it should probably never change. ever. like a college football coach, the older the better. why bother trying to improve? and practical value? whats that? its a waste of time is what it is. old, arbitrary and irrational, that’s my motto.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
It's one thing to not agree...
It’s another to claim you don’t understand why anyone cares. It’s fine if you like the idea of a combined league better, but many of us have given reasons why we don’t. Tradition, the notion of two separate leagues meeting in a playoff final. I’ll add one more: I hate the DH rule. I don’t enjoy baseball as much when pitchers don’t hit. And interleague play = more Mets games with a rule I don’t like.
i may have laid it on a little thick there
but “because its the way it’s always done” is not a good reason to do anything, imho.
change is scary, no doubt, but give it a generation and no one will think theyre missing anything.
also i am anti DH as well, it ruins some of the great symmetries of the game. but at this point its pretty much a lost cause. i assume it’ll happen in our life times (the NL adopting the DH). we’ll all get over it to, i guarantee.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
I appreciate the snark
But I find combining leagues because having two is the “old way” to do it is even more arbitrary. By then you’re making solutions to problems that don’t exist.
Still Amazin'.
Jose Reyes is a MET in 2012.
i dont want to combine both league just to get rid of the old way
i want to do it because i want a more balanced schedule.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
Even if Stark is right
And he cites no one (though it’s obvious they haven’t finalized a schedule format yet), he makes no argument about the idea that interleague will be happening throughout the season. Even if it’s only 18 games, it’s going to be stretched out. It has to be, unless they’re doing away with the 3 game series altogether.
oh no
We might have to play the Tigers instead of a third series against the Reds? Hardly stupid. In fact I think I’d rather see more AL teams than face boring NL Central/West teams a third time.
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by Ceetar on Nov 18, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah for real
heaven forbid with 162 games a year MLB actually makes the schedule slightly more balanced.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
You actually think they’ll make the schedule balanced with MORE interleague? They can’t even balance the schedule now. Make no mistake about it, they will exploit it for everything it’s worth. The Yankees and Mets will continue to play 6 games a year. In fact, they might increase it to 9 or 12. Interleague’s ONLY purpose is cash-tit sucking, so there’s no reason to think they won’t continue to milk those moneytits for everything it’s worth with this new system. It’s why the Astros are moving to the AL West in the first place, so they can establish a new “rivalry” between the Astros & Rangers and exploit it.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 18, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
major league baseball's ONLY purpose
is cash tit-sucking. for over a hundred years it’s ONLY been about milking those moneytits.
whats that got to do with wanting a more balanced schedule? im sure theres a way for those tit-milk thirsty owners to extract more filthy lucre from those money pumping fun bags AND do more to balance the schedule.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
If there was a way to balance the schedule & make more money, they would've done it already
To balance the schedule, they’d have to make it where the Yankees & Red Sox did not play each other 19 times a year. Since it makes a ton of money, they are not suddenly going to stop. Mets/Yankees also net them a tremendous profit. That’s clearly not going to stop, and with year long interleague, there’s a good chance it increases.
I’d love for them to balance the schedule. They’re 100% not going to. Selig can’t be trusted to make scrambled eggs, let alone make decisions that improve the sport.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 19, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
yeah i dont think thats true
the spanish primera only have 2 teams that matter, real madrid and barcelona, and they only play twice year (not counting tournaments) because of the balanced schedule of their 20 team league.
anyway, i dont think MLB is going to go to a totally equally balanced schedule. i just think they can get to a MORE balanced schedule AND keep more of their marquee match ups. that seems to be the way the game is headed too, since they arent doing anything to reinforce the NL AL divisions, but have been slowly tearing down the barriers for a long time now. so im guessing they’ll keep doing it, just more slowly for my taste.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
I'd much rather play the Reds, or do away with interleague entirely and play more NL teams
one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming
Couldn't agree more on the increase
of interleague play.
by MetsFan4Decades on Nov 18, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
bud selig loves babies, they're his favorite cuisine.
one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming
And apple pie.
Don’t forget he hates apple pie.
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Murphy is available?!?! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Oh, wait…haha, jokes on me, its an Adam Rubin story. Not an unnamed this time but instead “an executive from another team.” Well that’s at least original.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Nov 18, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions
It's probably true.
Did you read as far as the part where the exec says that he’s going home from the meetings with close to one hundred names of ‘available’ players, most of whom are going nowhere? Sounds right to me.
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by ScottfromPeekskill on Nov 18, 2011 9:35 AM EST reply actions
Cool pic though
Does anyone know if the moved in wall will allow for a reconfiguration of the bull pens?
Am I doing this right?
by brooklynberger on Nov 18, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'm very worried about hard slotting, are the details known yet?
It’s unfair. We spent the entire Minaya administration ignoring the draft and now we’re strangled by huge obligations to crappy players and an imploding payroll. Literally the only way we can get ourselves to be competitive again is via an aggressive approach to the draft.
Also, hard slotting is supposed to prevent big market teams from dominating the league but some of the biggest spenders are small market teams due to its so cost efficiency. Small market teams can’t afford to hand out big contracts to free agents so they rely on spending on the draft.
Absolutely hate the idea of a hard slotting system.
The rumor mill seems to suggest it won't be hard slotting
If what I’ve read is correct there will be a soft cap of sorts with a luxury tax for teams that go well over the cap. We’ll know for sure next week, but that actually doesn’t sound like a bad system.
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 18, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
So basically,
A team that wins 92 games in a great division, but comes in second place, will potentially have to play, lets say, an 86 win team from a decent division, in a ONE game playoff, after 162 GAMES of a regular season???
Hate these moves, and everything about interleague.
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I agree with you though to play the devil's advocate
How far apart are the wild card teams from the next best team? They tend to be really close. Here’s the NL history by wins:
NL WC NL 2nd WC
2011 90 89
2010 91 90
2009 92 88
2008 90 89
2007 90 89
2006 88 85
2005 89 88
2004 92 91
2003 91 87
2002 95 92
This is only 10 years of the National League because that’s all the research I was willing to do but it’s not like these teams have been far apart in quality.
by TheBigStapler on Nov 18, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
After some quick glancing, the AL proves a different story than mine
The difference lately has often been 6 or 7 games (almost all AL East teams too).
by TheBigStapler on Nov 18, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I thought this was an abbreviation
for Can’t Be Assed applesauce. I wasn’t gonna argue, either.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 18, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions
As fans of advanced stats, we all know Kershaw wasn’t really the best, but benefited from playing his home games in a pitchers’ park and in a division with a bunch of lousy offenses and not playing his home games in a ‘bandbox’.
by EastFallowfield on Nov 18, 2011 11:11 AM EST reply actions
Meh
I don’t know if there was really much of a difference. Kershaw had a better K rate, Roy had better BB/9 and HR/9. They both pitched a ton, and they both had plenty of starts against lousy offenses. It was one of the closer races I can remember in quite some time.
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 18, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
look at the parks they play in and their GB%
Halladay is the much better pitcher
by Mike Clemente on Nov 18, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Halladay having the better HR/9 is pretty impressive
considering he throws roughly half his starts in the Citizens Bank Little League Park. They’re both awesome but Halladay had a pretty ridiculous season (as much as it pains me to stick up for someone on the Phillies).
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
If they are going to compare park factors and strength of the schedule, they should have done it all the way.
Like factoring the quality of all batters faced, in what parks. As much as we like to complain about CBP, its HR-happy but not as much a hitters park (12th, 16th and 11th in runs in 2009-2011). NL West has Coors and Chase Field, both in the top 5 in run scoring parks.
The overall conclusion I get is that they were close enough, which wasn’t reflected on the votes (27 of 32 first place votes).
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yes really
that’s exactly what the article that you linked stated
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 18, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
He's EastFallowfield
Give him a break.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 19, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hey guys, not here for trouble. Just a simple question here.
Would Daniel Murphy be a possible trade candidate? Or is there a plan for him since you infield is pretty much set (I think) with Duda, Turner, Tejada, and Wright? Or is there a chance that he plays in the OF?
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I don't think there's really anyone on the Mets
that isn’t tradable. Can we give you Murph and Bay for Tulo? We’ll toss in a Beato.
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 18, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Tulo? Really?
No. However, we wouldn’t mind getting rid of Huston Street, and we could even throw in Ty Wigginton (we don’t like him) and maybe a prospect for Murphy. There was a rumor going around that maybe a Street for Pelfrey trade might be looming. Sorry, I wouldn’t want Pelfrey.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that'd be enough.
Ty Wigginton has no value to this team whatsoever, since we’re probably not competing this year and Street is good but expensive for a closer. I’d hope the Mets could get a little more in return for Murphy…perhaps somebody younger who’ll be around in 2-3 years when this team should be ready to compete.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Wiggy has no value to us either.
So basically, all it would take is a couple of prospects?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we'd definitely be looking for younger players.
Either prospects or 0-3 major league guys. Your young lefty reliever Rex Brothers is a player I’d be interested in, at least at the major league level.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is about T-Rex is that he is a favorite among us at the Purple Row.
He is has got some stuff. I can’t see any reason why no team would be interested. However, he is being looked at as our future closer. Betancourt just isn’t going to cut it 2 or 3 years down the road. Street isn’t even our closer no more.
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We'd probably need a nice starting pitching prospect back then.
Or somebody like Rosario or Arenado. Murphy’s a really good doubles hitter and could really flourish in Coors with those big gaps.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
well, those 2 guys are off limits.
Arenado for sure is off limits. Rosario could be expendable. We do have Iannetta. Pitching is up in the air. We’re in the same boat.
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by the caveman on Nov 18, 2011 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So a Wigginton encore would have value
If we are contenders next year?
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Jose Reyes is a MET in 2012.
No, probably not since he's not very good to begin with.
But with the state the team is in now, it’d make even less sense, if there’s such a thing.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 19, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
Murphy could be a trade candidate, although coming off a season ending injury, his value is probably deflated.
But I do think he’ll be trade bait at some point in the relative future since 1st and 3rd are covered with Ike Davis and David Wright, we’ve got some depth at 2nd with Tejada (if Reyes is re-signed), Havens, Valdespin and even Turner and I just don’t think the outfield is a legitimate long term option for Murphy. His defense was below average and it’s not like he’s got the power bat to make up for the bad defense.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Turner?
Don’t think Turner is ‘set’ to play second.
At least he’d better not be the opening day 2nd baseman.
Duda is our starting RF, for the moment. Davis is playing first, not Duda.
And bit your tongue, SIR….Reyes will be the starting SS.
‘Not signing him, you say’? La-La-La, I can’t hear you.
by MetsFan4Decades on Nov 18, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I'm sorry.
Forgot about Ike. My bad.
What do you think it would take to get Murphy off your team?
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
IMO?
Pitching, pitching, pitching.
I’m not really that familiar with your farm system so don’t know what would be available. We’re pretty desperate for ML ready pitching though.
I didn’t know about Street and his hate for our new bench coach until the other day so I’d have to say that might have shot down any deal being talked about for him.
by MetsFan4Decades on Nov 18, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
We have an arsenal of arms down on the farm right now.
This is the problem. We need more pitching also. Most of the guys down in the minors are quite ready yet.
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by Roxman4ever on Nov 18, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dang
Well, since we’re not competing for a couple of years, I’m thinking any trade that might involve Murphy could involve prospects that aren’t quite ready.
Any catching prospects down on the farm? The Mets really have nil in this area down on the farm.
Murphy’s a nice player but not one that’s likely to bring us a wealth of talent in a trade return. He’s probably worth more to the Mets right at the moment, with the prospect of Reyes not returning. Even though we’re not likely to compete in ‘12, there is the expectation of at least fielding roster, while waiting for some of the kids to make their way up here. Or at least the FO is giving the appearance of that since our GM was recently quoted as saying: ’we’re not punting in 2012’.
by MetsFan4Decades on Nov 18, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Should have read:
‘fielding a competent roster’.
by MetsFan4Decades on Nov 18, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think there are a couple of catchers down there but Rosario would be off limits.
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Would you guys be possibly interested in Iannetta if you guys needed a starting catcher?
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I don't know much about Chris Iannetta
but on the surface, Iannetta for Murphy sounds like a reasonable trade. We’ll even throw in Jason Bay and Jeff Wilpon.
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You can keep Wilpon.
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I could see that trade happening
Maybe with a pitching prospect tossed in from you
by Mike Clemente on Nov 18, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
What if you guys would cover half of Bay's salary?
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Where do we sign?
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How much is Bay owed?
If you guys can, come over to the Purple Row and start a conversation over there with everyone else also. This is something would probably get discussed through and through.
I wouldn’t mind having Bay either. Is he too expensive for you guys or what?
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$16 million/year
through 2013. And there is an easily reachable vest for 2014.
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Oh yuck.
Could you cover more than half of his salary? LOL
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Nope.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't matter anymore
Since he already accepted the trade, we are shipping Bay through FedEx tonight.
We are tossing in Ray Ramirez as a gift because we like you guys.
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The one thing I don't love about Ianetta are his home/road splits.
They’re pretty stark and I’d be sort of wary of whether that’s an effect of Coors. He’s about an average hitter (99 OPS+) which is nice for a catcher but if his career road splits are any indication of what he’d do away from Coors, I wouldn’t want that. (.869 OPS/120 OPS+ at home, .707 OPS/80 OPS+ with little power on the road).
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
But he can take a walk like no one else. LOL
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oooh, those splits are severe
Not just home/away, but lefty/righty. I don’t like that.
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He's a catcher. He bats 8th. Who was your catchers?
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Thole and ????
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Ronny Paulino was the backup
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Thanks. I forgot.
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At the same time
if it allowed us to deal the atrocity known as Jason Bay and actually save 8 million dollars a year on the remainder of his contract and not have to worry about that ridiculous Omar vest, then yes…I’d probably accept that offer right now.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Omar vest?
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Omar Minaya handed out vesting options like they were going out of style.
Bay’s got an option for $17 million in 2014 that becomes guaranteed if he reaches 600 plate appearances in 2013 or if he combines for 500 plate appearances between 2012 and 2013.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 18, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hope that is voided if he is traded.
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Omar was handling contracts with vests, cause it was fashionable!
Bay, K-Rod, Alex Cora got vesting options
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I'd rather have Pacheco
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 19, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
He's like a catching version of Josh Satin
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 19, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
So you mean he's replacement level?
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 19, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Below replacement level, actually
Playing in like three weeks worth of games might do that to a guy.
A career Minor League line of .303/.377/.426 from a young catcher (who also plays first, third, and theoretically might still be able to pass at shortstop or second base in a pinch if need be in an emergency), I wouldn’t mind that. He hit well above team and league average in A, A+, and AA. He hit below league average in AAA this year, but .278/.343/.377 isn’t abominably bad or anything.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 20, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
That was in the PCL, though.
And in Colorado Springs, one of the most favorable hitting environments in all of the minor leagues. Not that I’m against picking up Pacheco but just saying…Josh Thole, for example, hit .267/.353/.430 at AAA Buffalo, a much less friendly hitting environment and he’s become a slightly below league average hitter in the majors with little power. Not to mention Pacheco’s going to be 26 by opening day.
He’d be cheap, which is fine but he’d better be good defensively because I have to wonder whether he’ll hit in the majors.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 20, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, that's why I added the qualifier that he hit well above team and league average in most of his stops
If you’re in a pitcher’s league, and are hitting better than everyone else, you’re doing something right. If you’re in a hitter’s league and are hitting better than everyone else, you’re doing something right.
In terms of his role, I’d make him the back-up, semi-platooning catcher . Going back to the beginning of this, I wouldn’t trade Murphy for a back-up, semi-platooning catcher, but if players were exchanged between us and the Rockies, if we were getting one of either Iannetta or Pacheco, I’d prefer Pacheco.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 20, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think you meant:
your infield is pretty much set with Duda Davis, Turner Murphy, Tejada Reyes, and Wright.
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Yea, I know. I was just curious to see what it would take to "possibly" get Murphy in a trade.
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We've had a discussion with a guy from DRaysBay
and came to the conclusion that a Murphy for Niemann trade seemed like a pretty good exchange of value (at least that’s what I remember, someone correct me if I’m mistaken). Now you guys need pitching so I doubt we’d be able to get a Neimann-esque type from you guys, but that should give you a bit of an idea of what we’d expect in return (and that was from a team that was buying him as a 1B, not as a 1B/2B/3B).
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We would like to pick up Niemann as well, as Im sure every other team does also
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I don't mind interleague play
The season is long, playing a team and certain star players that you don’t see often is a nice little break. Playing the freaking Nats and Marlins 18 times a year is boring as shite.
at least you don't have to put up with the Giants and Dodgers.
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