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Jose Reyes Roundtable Part 2: Will the Mets Sign Reyes?

With GM Sandy Alderson talking about a "slow process" and 'waiting for the market,' it's a virtual lock that Jose Reyes will become a free agent on Thursday. It's a nightmare situation for Mets fans, and it won't be solved anytime soon.

Rumors have now linked the Angels, Nationals, Marlins, Braves, Reds, Giants, Tigers, Brewers and Phillies to the Mets shortstop. That's a lot of interested people, and yet Reyes brings with him two hamstrings made of questions marks. What will the market decide he is worth?

Our talented writers have their thoughts after the jump.

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Will the Mets sign Reyes?

Eric Simon: If Jose Reyes is adamant about getting the biggest contract possible — and it's not clear that's the case — he's probably not going to get it from the Mets. Sandy Alderson understands that the Mets are a business and that Reyes is their most marketable commodity; if he's not back in 2012 then you can be sure that droves of fans will follow suit. But he also knows that giving a seven-year contract to any ballplayer, let alone one with Reyes's checkered injury history and lopsided skill set, is a fool's errand.

 

I like to think that Reyes's history with this franchise means something; it does to me, certainly. He has been in the Mets organization since he was a kid and he has been one of the most valuable, exciting players the franchise has ever known. He seems to enjoy playing in New York and the city and its fans reciprocate in kind. Also, the thought of Reyes in another team's laundry is nauseating.

Nevertheless, I don't expect Alderson to extend an offer to Reyes for more than six guaranteed years, and he'd doubtless prefer a shorter deal than that — say, five years with a couple of generous team options. He (Alderson) has already said that he'll let other teams set the market for Reyes. If some other team makes it rain Carl Crawford money, Reyes might find it difficult to accept a considerable hometown discount to remain with the Mets.

In my cold, black heart I believe that Reyes wants to be back with the Mets and the two sides will settle on terms for a mutually beneficial but decidedly unspectacular contract, but I'd hardly be surprised if a few dollars more land Reyes in an Angels or Nationals or Cubs uniform in 2012 (plus the half-dozen years hence).

Matthew Callan: There seems to be a general sense of gloom around those who cover the Mets, and not much confidence the team will resign Jose Reyes. I don't want to completely dismiss this, as it comes from many different sources and I don't think the writers in question are doing it just to be jerks. However, to believe that Reyes will sign elsewhere, you also have to believe in either a robust, competitive market or a rogue team that will break the bank for him. I don't see either materializing.

There's no shortage of alternate destinations, but a dearth of ones I can see happening. I'll believe the Marlins are willing to spend money when I see it, and if I do see it, I bet it will be on either Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder. I also doubt that Jeffrey Loria's favorite song, Hanley Ramirez, will be asked to move from shortstop, or that Reyes would be cool going somewhere that asked him to switch positions. The Giants are always a threat to go bonkers with a contract (hi, Barry Zito), but their payroll already seems stretched paper thin, and that's before taking care of a few very important arbitration cases. It's hard to say what the new Angels GM, Jerry DiPoto, will do, but they too seem to have some budget concerns, not to mention they also have Erick Aybar at short.

The nightmare scenario of the Phillies signing him seems more of a fever dream, as they have a homegrown SS of their own to take care of. (Not that it's inconceivable Jimmy Rollins gets his walking papers, just unlikely.) I think Washington will spend its money more judiciously after their Jayson Werth contract became a go-to punchline. The Braves could use Reyes (who couldn't?), but like the Giants, they're going to get hit hard in arbitration this winter. The Tigers would have to ask Jhonny Peralta to move over to third, which is not out of the question, but I feel like teams in general don't like to do this sort of thing with the frequency they once did. It seems almost quaint, like player-managers and scheduled doubleheaders.

There are dangers in signing Reyes--or any player--to a long, expensive contract. Sandy Alderson is well aware of this. So is every other GM. For every other team, Reyes is a nice-to-have, which means the payoff of that risk is so much lower, the downside much bigger. For the Mets, Reyes is a must-have. Luckily for them, I think the market breaks in their favor.

If you put a gun to my head--well, first of all, I'd ask why you're doing that over such an ultimately inconsequential question. But if forced to pick yes or no on the issue of will the Mets resign Reyes, I'd say yes. And then I'd ask you to put the gun down, you maniac.

Eno Sarris: This is a little different than the last question, even if you could answer it similarly. Yes the Mets will sign Reyes, if the price is right and Reyes agrees to it. But that's boring.


Instead, it might be more interesting to take a look at the teams that will most likely compete with the Mets for the services of the Professor. Take teams with an opening at shortstop and subtract out those that won't spend the money, and you have the: Braves, Giants, Reds, Tigers, Brewers, and maybe the Phillies.

In some ways, the Mets are lucky. If the Phillies sign Rollins relatively early, there won't be a single team among the top seven payrolls in baseball that will be after Reyes. So at least the pain of having the Red Sox or Yankees outbid the Mets probably (probably!) won't be in the cards for Reyes fans this offseason.

That doesn't mean that the Braves, Giants or Reds won't do the deed. After arbitration awards to Pablo Sandoval and Tim Lincecum (among others), the Giants might only have ten million dollars left, and no Carlos Beltran. They may need to spread the money they have around. Even after trading Derek Lowe, the Braves might only have ten million left after their arbitration awards go out to Tommy Hanson, Martin Prado, Michael Bourn, and Jair Jurrjens. Are they ready to stretch their budget past $80-ish million?

The Reds are a problem. They have an offensive hole at shortstop right now (Paul Janish), only really Edinson Volquez awaiting a nice arbitration award, and as much as $25 million burning a hole in their pocket. Will they spend it on pitching or offense? They may have to choose, and their hitting was ahead of their pitching last year. But they are worrisome.

The Tigers, Brewers and Phillies seem like long shots. The Tigers have a budget and a current shortstop they'd have to push to third. The Brewers may or may not be in for a full overhaul and the beginning of a rebuild. The Phillies have a shortstop that they may feel pressure to re-sign.

The stage is set for Reyes to return to the Mets. His injury history will depress the market in terms of years, and he has the most value to the Mets in terms of dollars. Who knows if it will be four years with an option for more money per year, of five guaranteed for less money, but it could really happen. The real big boys aren't at this table.

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Reyes bingo

Someone needs to make a bingo card with teams on it to fill out when Reyes is rumored to be going there.

-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan

by Ceetar on Nov 2, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll take R-6

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by Dandy Salderson on Nov 2, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted no

but I’d so like to be wrong on that.

by MetsFan4Decades on Nov 2, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Same here

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by Russ on Nov 2, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

Never underestimate the likelihood of a random GM overpaying for a player.

by JJJ on Nov 2, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

Exactly the same thought

by guyfish on Nov 2, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be absolutely shocked if Reyes isn't a Met next year

Unless he gets a ridiculous offer of 7 years, $140 million+ guaranteed, I’d bet he stays a Met.

by Evan_S on Nov 2, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

If some team offers a ridiculious contract, he will walk, and, I would NOT want the METS to offer
something like 7 years, you will be stuck with an often injured player for the final 2 or 3 years of the contract. IF he wanted to stay and be as MET it would have been done, the fact that he has not signed, tells me he wants to leave. IF another team offers close to the METS and nobody blows him away, I think he will be a METS by default.

by PiazzaHOF on Nov 2, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think the mets will even make a competetive offer

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by Rey-O on Nov 3, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

same, although i wept while clicking on it

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by KeithsMoustache on Nov 2, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else considering self-immolation in front of Citi Field if he signs with Philly or Atlanta?

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by statusquo on Nov 2, 2011 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

nope

but I’ll refuse to go to any games against that team if he does.

if he signs with an AL team, I’ll spend my money to go see him play at Yankee Stadium.

-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan

by Ceetar on Nov 2, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I'l take the Doris Kearns Goodwin route

and become a Red Sox fan. Move the Dodgers to LA – move the best position player the Mets ever had and put cheap ballplayers on the feild what’s the difference?

by Ray 29 on Nov 2, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

After reading the subject line

My first thought was that you are going to become a shameless plagiarist.

by Philip Larkin on Nov 3, 2011 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

That seems a little much.

Although if he doesn’t re-sign, I will definitely be testing the limits of my alcohol tolerance.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 3, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

no but if you do it I promise to tape it and have it on twitter, facebook, youtube and multiple other sites live

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by Gina on Nov 3, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm overthinking this but

I think the Mets benefit from a signalling problem felt by other teams.

Reyes means a TON to the franchise. Short-term budget issues aside — and I think you can in fact set them aside, because losing Reyes may cost the team millions of dollars — the Mets should be the most interested team in Reyes:

a) We know his health history best
b) We understand his strengths and weaknesses best
c) He means a ton to the team
d) etc.

If the team doesn’t want o go more than $60M/4y, isn’t that a signal that there’s something wrong with another team offering $140/7?

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by Dan Lewis on Nov 2, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

these articles stink

Mostly the headlines, but the premises themselves are just pure guess work: WILL THE COIN LAND ON HEAD OR TAILS? WE HAVE NO IDEA BUT WE’RE GONNA ASK ANYWAY!

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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

This isn't analysis

It’s an editorial roundtable. Of course it’s guesswork, that’s the point of this exercise, to see what these three guys, who follow the Mets very closely, think about what will happen with Reyes next season. Any article about where Jose Reyes will end up will be opinion based, how can it not be?

by Evan_S on Nov 2, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i vote Yes

Sandy has the “have to” inside him.

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Nov 2, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Still thinking the Phillies

I think RAJ loves press conferences where he gets to be smug even more than winning.

by haplo on Nov 2, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

if Jose goes to the phillies, i'll start sharpening my seppuku knife

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by KeithsMoustache on Nov 2, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curious why Eno doesn't think Angels could make a run at Reyes?

They do have money, despite a couple of bad contracts. Also, it’s doubtful the Cubs would go after him…they have Castro. The teams I’m most worried about having a legit chance at him are San Fran (tons of money) and maybe Milwaukee if they lose Fielder and want to send a message to their fan base that they are still going for it. Those two teams could overpay.

by David G on Nov 2, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Angels

I guess they keep hitting the rumors, but I chose to focus on teams that had a pressing need at shortstop. I think the Angels tend to focus on current needs and have Aybar in the fold. Then again, they’ll have a new GM that will want to make a splash… is Reyes that splash? But people are right, this is all guesswork.

by Eno Sarris on Nov 2, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much more is Fielder going to cost then Reyes?

I doubt the Brewers are going to give out any big term contracts this winter, especially considering they might want to extend Greinke and or Marcum.

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by Syler on Nov 2, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They offered a $100M contract to Fielder last spring

I don’t think that’ll be enough to pry Reyes away from NY, but it would appear that they are willing to give out a $100M contract.

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by Ogre39666 on Nov 2, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't that the Yankees M.O.?

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by KeithsMoustache on Nov 2, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was completely with Matthew until that last part.

More things would get done a lot faster if everyone had a loaded gun pointed at their head at all times.

by Evan_S on Nov 2, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

i think you guys would love to see what the great dickey is going to do.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7181208/new-york-mets-pitcher-ra-dickey-climb-mount-kilimanjaro

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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Nov 2, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

RA Dickey could jump out of a plane without a parachute

And I wouldn’t be concerned about his opening day status.

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by santana9237 on Nov 2, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd be concerned with the condition of the poor ground he'd hit

he’d completely destroy it, dust himself off, and then go read an entire encyclopedia for sport.

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by KeithsMoustache on Nov 2, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Voted "no" here

Have the feeling more than a team will quickly outbid us and overPAY THE MAN.

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by santana9237 on Nov 2, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Reyes returns to the Mets and accepts a hometown discount

Fielder said, as his team was headed to the playoffs, that this was his last year with the Brewers, so he’ll be the type to follow the money, but that doesn’t set a precedent for all players.

I think Reyes negotiates with other teams to try to leverage himself into a bigger deal with the Mets, and they eventually end up with a team friendly deal that is fair to Reyes.

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by piazza62 on Nov 2, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

6/100 with a 7 year mutual option

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by piazza62 on Nov 2, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would sign him tomorrow for that but just under $17 million a year won't get it done.Possibly 5 years for

$100 million with 6th year club option for $5 million to walk or take another $20 million for 6th season.Please no
more performance based contracts ala’ F-Rod.

by Putnan Prince on Nov 3, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted no because

I’m a Mets fan and that’s what 25 years of conditioning will do to you.

by lstorie1971 on Nov 2, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

REYES A FILLY?

Let Rollins walk with his $10 million salary and stick it up the Mets ass by signing Jose’.They have already cut payroll with Lidge and Oswald and without Rollins altogether they saved about $32 million from 2011.They swept up Lee at the last second and love to make a big splash.Jose’ would still be close enough to his friends and family in N.Y and he would be able to maintain his Dominican style in Philly and N.Y.where there are large populations of his homeland.Phillies are also poised to win now and adding Reyes batting leadoff should put them back on top.Don’t discount the chance to win a World Series as the reason a player will change cities..Mets just have too big a hill to climb over the next few years to be attractive to FA including their own.

by Putnan Prince on Nov 2, 2011 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

you never know

if johnny damon can become a yankee, and drop the caveman name in the process, right after winning a world series, anything could happen. it’s all about the money. i don’t think it will happen though. i can see the angels getting him if (god forbid) he doesn’t sign with us, and maybe epstien makes his big splash by signing reyes. so many possibilities.

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by rexthejet on Nov 2, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

would have been a funny sight though

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by KeithsMoustache on Nov 2, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

money heals everything

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by rexthejet on Nov 2, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few things

1. Why would the Miami Marlins of Dade County go for Prince Fielder or Pujols. Don’t they have enough 1st baseman? Hello Gaby Sanchez. Moving Hanley would make perfect sense, and Jose is another exciting Latino player that will increase the gate( adds 10 more fannies to the existing 15 fans). Yes Pujols is also dominican, however Reyes will be way cheaper to sign.

2. The Nationals have money to blow, so why not Jose. Yes they have Desmond and Espinosa, so they might prevent the deal from happening, but I don’t see why Desmond can’t turn into a trade chip. I think Jose fits in perfectly with the Nats short and long term trajectory. He goes a long way in solidifying the infield for the next five years, while the young kids come up. If the Nats want to spend in FA they have to know there will stand to have some misses. I just don’t buy the “Gun Shy porque Jayson Werth” refrain. As I write this, it seems that Prince might be there best option, but Jose would be damn good option for them too.

3. The Braves ain’t got the dough, despite unloading Derek Lowe.

4. The Phils and Reyes could happen, but I just don’t see it happening. They dogged Reyes for so long it might be hard for the two to come together. Money is money, so you never know.

On a side note, the M’s better go really hard after Prince Fielder. They need power bad. They can DH Smoak and hope he figures it out.

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by Coolpapabell on Nov 2, 2011 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Reyes has a house in LI

Doesn’t like change, Wants to retire a Beloved Met 4-Life.
So I’m hoping

by TheKid08 on Nov 3, 2011 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

i dont even think the mets will make a competetive offer

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by Rey-O on Nov 3, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Says the guy who is

argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

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by Dandy Salderson on Nov 4, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

?

How’s that logic work?

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by Rey-O on Nov 4, 2011 8:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe he doesn't think an injury prone shortstop is worth 5 years and $100M?

Most people here seem to think Sandy Alderson see Jose the same way they do, and if it’s financially possible, he’ll do whatever he can to keep him. That’s wishful thinking, and ignores the reality of the situation. Teams that are rebuilding and trying to cut payroll don’t throw out $100+ contracts to injury prone players. They offer them arbitration, take the draft picks, and try to get younger and cheaper.

There’s not much basis for this notion that Sandy is going to offer Reyes a contract so that the he’ll be with the team a few years down the road when we are good. That sounds more like a fan who wants Reyes to be with the team more than a GM trying to make good financial decisions. Obviously it’s all speculation, but I think what little “evidence” there should lead one to believe that Reyes is less than likely to receive a big contract from this team.

If we weren’t losing 70 million bucks a team and were actually competitive, I’d think differently.

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by Rey-O on Nov 6, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The amount of money that the Mets are losing is not relevant

Opportunity cost is what is important.

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by Russ on Nov 6, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it's not relevant to the fans

But losing 70 million a year and paying offering an injury prone player $100+ million dollar contract is certainly important to ownership and management.

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by Rey-O on Nov 6, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not relevant economically

This is Economics 101.

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by Russ on Nov 7, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

To be honest with you, I'm not worrying about it at all

I have no control over it. I give it 50/50. And I’ll watch next year either way. Why wouldn’t I want to see Lucas Duda’s freakish injury as it happens?

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by Terry_is_God on Nov 3, 2011 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

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