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Pitcher Winz and Page Hitz Applesauce: Verlander wins MVP, Michael Young almost wins MVP (okay, not really), and Twitter explodes (again)

This is really kind of cool, so kudos to Greg Prince for dreaming it up. More information is available at FAFIF if you want to attend or submit a paper.

If the Mets don't end up with Reyes (runs outside, turns around and spits), the not uninteresting Hiroyuki Nakajima is going to be posted. He hit over .300 and bopped 20 home runs for the Seibu Lions last season and is probably not Kaz Matsui. He is also not Jack Wilson.

Over at fangraphs, Mike Newman takes a look at Rule 5 decisions, using the Mets as an example. Includes bonus Jefry Marte video! I have thoughts in the comments, but will add that any team taking Marte will basically have to punt a year of development time on top of everything else. More Rule 5 mania, as Toby Hyde takes a look at why Mark Cohoon was left off the 40-man. Spoiler Alert: He was terrible this year.

Look, if you want the Mets to sign Reyes, buy some freaking jerseys already. The Wilpons need cash now.

Ted Berg has finally met his match. I smell buddy comedy! And I think we all know who the antagonist is going to be...

You can cross Joe Nathan off your list of potential 2012 Mets closers, as the Rangers signed him to a two year deal plus a third year team option/buyout. That's a bit more than I would have gone. But it looks like the Rangers are serious about moving Neftali Feliz into the rotation to replace CJ Wilson. Which they probably should have done, oh, two years ago.

Star-divide

The Times' Bats blog takes a look at the Hall of Fame candidacy of Allie Reynolds. Eh, he wasn't even as good as Billy Pierce, and I think I've finally been convinced that Pierce shouldn't be in.

Baseball Nation joins the neverending argument of just how old Albert Pujols actually is.

The big baseball news yesterday was, of course, the announcement of the AL MVP. It's 1999 Pedro Martinez Justin Verlander. A pitcher win the MVP award? That's unpossible! I personally would have voted Ellsbury, but I have no real problem with a vote for Verlander. A vote for Michael Young on the other hand... (bonus points for "my eyes told me" which means, "I didn't really watch any other teams.") Now Grant is supposedly a pretty good beat writer, so I am not going to beat him up too bad. But it's kind of conveinent he gave it to the guy he has to get quotes from every day.

And then there is this guy. I will just point out that the FIRST MVP EVER WAS A PITCHER. Inghram could have said that he doesn't think pitchers impact the modern game enough to qualify as MVPs. Or he could have said that Verlander's numbers were a product of an unsustainable BABIP based on the Tigers defense. But no, he had to say the stupid thing.

MLB and the MLBPA will announce a new labor deal today. Changes include HgH testing and a mind-numbingly stupid luxury tax on draft spending which will hurt small market clubs, and lead them to make deals in the FA market like, oh, this one.

Bobby Valentine might be the frontrunner for the Red Sox managerial job, since the new GM doesn't really hate him all that much, he guesses. Meanwhile, Ryne Sandberg will take the helm of the Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs again.

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Joe Nathan

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Ok so who in the bargain closer bin would be a good fit because I was really sold on Nathan

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by BlueChill on Nov 22, 2011 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Nathan wasnt much of a bargain

$14m over two years for a 37 year old coming off of TJ surgery? Pass. Especially for a team coming off a 77 win season.

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by Dandy Salderson on Nov 22, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I find this a little scary too

I hope Sandy can avoid offering any reliever a guaranteed multi-year deal.

by TheBigStapler on Nov 22, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

i think you should expect

a 2 year deal, which wouldnt be very unreasonable considering…

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Nov 22, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Matt Capps

As well

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Nov 22, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Good call

I did not realize how up-and-down he’s been. Even for a reliever, that kind of variation is amazing.

by TheBigStapler on Nov 22, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Over on LSB, they hate the Michael Young MVP pick as much as anyone

evan grant even makes an appearance to try to defend his position. link Why don’t we ever see the Met beat writers drop by here?

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by Blame-everyone-else on Nov 22, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty cool.

His “M.Y. meant more to the rangers than any other player did to their team” is the absolute worst argument for MVP ever. People make it all the time and it really bothers me.

MVP is a very simple award. Who was the best player in the league. It is NOT, who has the greatest gap in talent between himself and the rest of his teammates. The latter would be the dumbest award ever, yet writers and voters continue to reference the latter as their reasoning.

by Mike Clemente on Nov 22, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The latter also neglects that

Ian Kinsler, Mike Napoli, Josh Hamilton and Nelson Cruz are all probably on the higher side of the talent gap than Young.

by SoCal Metfan on Nov 22, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why that is a bad arguement.

The “without player X team Y sucks” isn’t inherently bad reasoning, IMO. It depends on how you define “valuable”.

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by Ogre39666 on Nov 22, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely, it does depend on how you define 'valuable'.

Greatest gap in talent between a player and his teammates sounds very reasonable. The award is about who is most valuable to their TEAM, isn’t it? It’s not the Best Player Award.

That having been said, SoCal Metfan has a good point in that when you call a player best on his team, it hurts your argument if there are five or six guys better than he is.

by Curtis3331 on Nov 22, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, there's one dude who just keep posting stawman arguments against WAR and "math dorks".

His name is Josey Wales. Give his posts a read for a good laugh.

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by Ogre39666 on Nov 22, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

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