"There's another unintended consequence that could occur in 2013 when the Astros move to the American League; with 15 teams in each league it will be necessary to have interleague play all season, instead of having it shoved into one block in June...Baseball's schedulers might be able to work out a scheme where no one plays more than 18 interleague games (the current maximum), but another workable schedule would have teams playing as many as 30."
Can someone please explain this to me? Why does interleague scheduling have to be radically changed due to balanced leagues?
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two 15 team leagues means that there are an odd number of teams in each league
therefore, theres always one team that would have nobody to play against without an interleague opponent at any given time. Thus we’re stuck with shitty interleague play all year long.
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by KeithsMoustache on Nov 25, 2011 11:18 PM EST reply actions
Obviously this fact eluded the MLB when they made this decision.
Because it’s not so much as an unintended consequence as it is an obvious outcome for anyone paying attention.
How many games would we lose if we just had two teams not play each day?
Not that I think this is necessarily a good plan.
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by blueandorange4life on Nov 26, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
It woudn't just be one day either
It would be three straight days since each game is part of a three or four game series.
Seems like that could be staggered though
Mets Braves June 1-3, 4th off. Marlins Phillies June 2-4, 5th off. Etc Etc. Or with interleague series…same thing.
That would be very hard to plan vs just having interleague play all the time
by CervezaVerde on Nov 26, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
This.
It just doesn’t seem realistic. I’d imagine you’d run into scheduling problems at some point.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 26, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
more than just once
plus, doesn’t interleague play happen at least 3 times a year instead of just that one time in June?
Who cares if there is more interleague ?
1. Baseball games > no baseball game, regardless of who is playing.
2. I’d rather play new teams instead of the Marlins 18 times.
3. We’ll have to see how the schedule shakes out, but naybe the Phillies and Braves will have to play the Yankees more, and us less.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
This
I’m so bored watching all these Nationals and Marlins games.
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It's the DH that makes it matter.
This looks like the MLB is setting us up to implement universal DH which would be a crime.
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by KeithsMoustache on Nov 26, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Wanna bet?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 26, 2011 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd love for them to tell
Big Papi and Hafner they’re out of a job
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Ugh, I hope not.
Nobody’s mentioned anything about expanding the DH to the NL, so I imagine we’re at least 5 years away from that happening. On the plus side, the daily interleague play is going to make for some interesting lineup management decisions from AL managers, since they’ll be in NL parks a lot more.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 26, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well, will they be in NL parks more often? Or the same amount but more spread out over the season rather than just condensced in two portions of the season?
by CervezaVerde on Nov 26, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think they're going to wind up playing more games in NL parks,
but it’ll be spread out over the whole season.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 27, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
which is exactly why they are setting us up for it, as Ogre said
First, they make it so there is an interleague game played everyday, and possibly more overall interleague games. Then fans start complaining about having to play the first 5 months with a 25 man roster versus the other league, but September with a possibly 40 man roster, as the season comes down and there is a playoff spot on the line in a game between the AL Astro’s and the NL Brewers, but Pittsburgh lost 2/3 to the Astro’s cause they had to play them before September. Or, similarly, fans complain because their NL team played the Yankees (lets say) in YS and lost the series, whereas their rival team played the Yankees at home (w/o a DH) and won the series, but it is not fair (the same) because it wasn’t the same Yankee team.
More interleague play just makes having a DH league and a non DH league a more glaring problem, and then the league does something about it. This CBA smells
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and I actually am interested in seeing Mets-Marlins games because I want to see them get their asses kicked. Besides, this is a temporary fix; interleague play will get boring too once it becomes the norm.
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So
By 2013 the NL and AL will be like the AFC and NFC of the NFL is that the vibe we are getting here?
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This this this THIS
I can’t stand having those pinstriped d-bag fans in my stadium.
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Bunch of scum infecting our field just like Philidouchia
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I'm good with the way things are now, or, er, how they used to be
One series a piece, in each stadium. That’s the extent of interleague play in my world, though. Two weekends, two series, against your team’s biggest rival in the other league, or if one does not exist, whichever team is closest to you geographically. In our case, it kind of works out, because even though we’d be playing the Yankees, the Phillies would be playing the Red Sox (The Phillies-A’s rivalry does not count anymore), and I’m not sure who the Braves would be facing- Toronto, I guess? Neither one of those AL teams are push-overs.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 27, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I must say I'm intrigued by a Rays-Marlins rivalry if the
Two Florida teams, one dignified and successful, the other gaudy and lousy.
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Sounds a lot like the Mets-Yankees rivalry, only in Florida
One pretty crappy, the other one having risen up to semi-sustained success; Those Marlin fans* certainly would be bitter and have a chip on their shoulder, while those Rays fans would look down from their high horses at those Marlins.
*Or fan.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
The Marlins fans can just simply counter to the Rays fans that they have 2 WS titles while the Rays dont have any. However the Rays fans can argue that their team is consistent in the playoff hunt
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See, but the Marlins haven't had any degree of success outside of that
I know they aren’t all like this, but I’m sure a lot of Rays fans were never Devil Rays fans and are only fans of the successful team. Same goes for Yankee fans.
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I understand what you're getting at
But not having “any degree of success outside of” those two world series means nothing. They have 2 championships in 19 seasons which is pretty excellent. They aren’t consistent or a well built team, but they have the rings, and that’s the ultimate goal.
Maybe it's just me
but I’d have a hard time finding pride in a championship that was essentially rented and sold after the trophy was raised. Those fans can only identify with the rings and not the players, and that’s gotta count for something. Losing 108 games the next year’s also gotta be a kick in the nuts.
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Isn't this really academic?
I mean, ‘Marlins fans’ are as hypothetical as leprechauns.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 28, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
I used to work with one
His father was also a Marlin fan. So, there are at least two in verifiable existence.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 29, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds a lot like "Ringzzz!!!" to me
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 29, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
Solution should be expansion
32 teams and NFL style divisions. Enhances rivalries and expands the market.
Las Vegas needs a team, and I think We could afford to have another team in the mid-atlantic or southeast, such as Tennessee or Mississippi/Louisiana
I prefer 16 teams per league, no divisions.
The top 5 teams in each league make the playoffs. Problem solved.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 27, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
It’s a bit muchto have 8 teams per division, i think having small divisions fosters stronger rivalries.
by METSMETSMETS on Nov 27, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's possible
but not probable. in a 160 game schedule teams could play 20 per divisional team, 80 miscellaneous League games, 20 interleague
by METSMETSMETS on Nov 28, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
In 2008 the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays were 3 of the 4 best teams in the AL
With four divisions, only 1 of those teams makes the playoffs.
We need to stop creating rivalries.
If they happen, they happen. And they should happen in the playoffs.
Playing the Phillies Nats and Whoever more during the regular season won’t create better rivalries, just more emphasis on which division you’re in and who you get to play the most. Does anyone else want to abolish divisions? MLB does not need to be the NFL.Why can’t we just let the 4 best teams in the playoffs after playing a completely balanced schedule so the Cardinals never win the world series again? Hope it’s not because we need 3 teams from different markets to be in the playoffs, because what would be the point of rivalries then?
Also, if there is a rivalry, wouldn’t it make the few games between those two teams more entertaining?
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Las Vegas, I don't think would be a good idea, because of the betting and such
Too close to home for baseball. Reno, maybe- close enough to that metropolitan area without having the stigma that comes with “Sin City”.
Though, I doubt that there will be any more expansion.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 27, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Expansion
I dont know where expansion talks are coming from but werent there reports this past season in regards to contraction?
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I don't remember hearing anything about either this season.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 28, 2011 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Me neither
People are bringing up expansion because of the Astros being moved to the AL, and 15 teams per division, and the constant AL/NL overlap schedules that are going to happen because of that.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Portland or Charlotte
plus NYC metro area. Mets and Yankees would make a huge fuss but they don’t have any real case against it, the under-represented population and broadcast area is huge compared to any other option.
Portland couldn't even keep its AAA team.
The city refused to put up the money to renovate their field; do you really think they’ll pay for a major league one?
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 28, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Is it dependent on the city paying for it?
Non-snarky question: I wasn’t aware it was a public sector subsidy issue. I mean, I know they do sweeten the deal etc, but Portland-Salem-Eugene conurbation is a decent metro area for private investment. AAA is a much less attractive deal dollar for dollar I would think.
Are we talking Portland, Maine or Portland, Oregon?
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It almost certainly is.
I think PacBell in SF is the only stadium built in the last 20 years in this country that wasn’t built with public money, although I believe the city did kick in some funds, but for the preliminary work on the site, and it was far less money than any other stadium. Not to mention all of the costs associated with starting a franchise from the ground up, it’d be unlikely that MLB lets the team pay for the stadium.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Nov 29, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think that MetLife Stadium was built only with private money
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The deal with the Beavers (PCL team) is that they couldn’t draw flies if you covered them in Hershey’s syrup. Part of this was probably because there was no retractable roof, and baseball fans don’t really like sitting out in the rain that doesn’t start to clear up here until around June. The Timbers (MLS soccer) wanted the Beavers’ stadium for their own, and the Padres (the Beavers’ parent team) decided that rather than have their AAA team play almost 1000 miles away with nobody watching, they’d move the AAA team closer to the mothership — better weather, shorter commute. Makes perfect sense from their POV.
The Timbers draw great, but then, they only play in town maybe three games a month. And people here love their Blazers. I think an MLB team would do fine here with a Safeco-like stadium; a AAA team doesn’t really give fans personalities to latch on to, since anyone who’s any good will not be in town very long. Publicly financing a ballpark here, however, would be a problem.
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