Mets Only Need Wallflower Status at Winter Meetings
I keep catching myself staring at the Countdown to the Winter Meetings clock over at MLB Trade Rumors.
In less than five days' time, MLB bigwigs and agents and everyone else converging on Dallas will finally find themselves in a position to at least lay groundwork for meaningful moves ahead of the 2012 season. Even if we don't see a repeat performance of Boston snatching up Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez or the Nationals throwing a ridiculous sum of money at Jayson Werth, we'll at least see the type of meaningful baseball chatter that makes the Hot Stove season worthwhile.
Then again, we Mets fans are likely expecting another boring offseason. The biggest Mets-centric question in need of an answer -- whether Jose Reyes's loyalties lie with the only organization he's ever known or the monies waved by another potential suitor -- will not significantly improve the Mets in 2012. Re-signing Reyes does not necessarily make the Mets any better in the short term; he just prevents them from getting worse.
The other questions? Well, that's the real problem, isn't it? There's a lot of questions. Questions about whether Angel Pagan should anchor an outfield that includes a downward-trending Jason Bay and a big ol' nebulous ball of mediocrity in the form of Fernando Martinez, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, or some other stopgap who we will all collectively pray can maintain a batting average above Mo Vaughn's playing weight. Questions about the starting rotation and Pelfrey's role in it. Questions about the bullpen and whether it needs an Octavio Dotel to anchor it.
Questions that we'll need a lot more than five days and a Winter Meetings session to answer.
Sandy Alderson's current approach to roster building is driven by need. If Reyes goes, the Mets will need a backup plan if Ruben Tejada's not ready for primetime at shortstop -- hence, Jack Wilson. If Pagan goes or we're seriously looking at meaningful playing time in the outfield for Willie Harris, the Mets will need roll the dice on other options -- hence, Adam Loewen. The Wilpons need money and to not have anyone call in a loan before they get it, so Alderson needs to focus his efforts on building a productive and cost-effective minor league system while the Mets needed to stay in the fans' good graces by bringing back Banner Day and drumming up what will hopefully serve as a worthy tribute to 50 years of Mets baseball.
There'll be other gambles Alderson needs to take, just as there were with Chris Capuano and Chris Young one year ago. But I keep wondering how much the Mets need to ultimately succeed. Alderson signed on to a $140 million payroll and a collective bargaining agreement that favored prospect hoarding, but saw that payroll number and farm investment shrink almost immediately. All that payroll room we expected upon the Mets clearing the 2011 Hump vaporized seemingly overnight, down to an approximately $105 million which will be handcuffed by Reyes's new contract or possibly even less if the longest tenured Met transfers that honor to David Wright.
I don't mean to go all doom and gloom here -- all we know on the eve of the Winter Meetings is that we know nothing. I still believe there may be a path to .500 baseball for the 2012 Mets, which in turn is a likely path back to profitability, which would then improve the long-term prognosis of the franchise. And it will happen on a path that differs from the one tread by Steve Phillips, Jim Duquette, and Omar Minaya: a key offseason signing to placate the Shea Faithful.
But I keep staring at that MLB Trade Rumors countdown clock and ask myself how the Mets go about feeding their greatest need: certainty. Not certainty about when to expect meaningful games in September, nor even about Reyes's future. I just want certainty that the goal posts will stop moving on Alderson long enough for him to implement any kind of meaningful baseball strategy that brings the Mets back to respectability.
That'll need more than the remaining four days on that countdown clock to resolve, and more than the return of Reyes. And I need to come to grips with it, because the Mets' future only looks bleaker when I let the uncertainty get to me.
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Favorite Winter Meetings quote...
“All I kept on hearing in the streets of New York when you go get bagels in the morning was, ‘Omar, please address the bullpen,’” Mets general manager Omar Minaya said. “Well, to all you Mets fans, we’ve addressed the bullpen.”
by MetsFanXXIII on Nov 30, 2011 2:04 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Man, the things I would've told Omar if I ran into him in the bagel store
I have a bagel, and my bagel, I like my bagel…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I would have said something very simple, like this
“You’re an idiot and a terrible GM”
by CCE718 on Nov 30, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't blame him, the bagels told him to do it.
by MetsFanXXIII on Nov 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
That's slightly anti-semetic
"Anybody with ability can play in the big leagues. But to be able to trick people year in and year out the way I did, I think that was a much greater feat." -Bob Uecker
"Who is the girl in the dugout, with the long hair? What's going on here? You have got to be kidding me. Only player personnel in the dugout. I won't say that women belong in the kitchen, but they don't belong in the dugout." -Kieth Hernandez
Use subject lines
That’s aside from your being an anti-semetic a-hole.
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My apologies
I over reacted.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Yeah...I don't get what happened
I will say, I am prejudiced against pumpernickel bagels, though.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!" Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 1, 2011 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't get that reaction either.
It should have been clear from the thread that he was talking about actual bagels.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
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No, actually
It’s fucking depressing as hell and it takes all the fun out of baseball for me
"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda
"The Wilpons need money and to not have anyone call in a loan before they get it"
That might be a problem.
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Sure does seem like the blurst of times

by Ownbey4Mex on Nov 30, 2011 2:54 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Furious George!
What have they done to your beautiful face?
by Otm_Shank on Nov 30, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was surprised at the tone of the NJ article
It completely lacked douchieness
Mets, Jets, Devils, United Football League
New Jersey generally is a douchy place
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!" Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 1, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
A smelly, douchy place
and it is full of people…from New Jersey!
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Really good kid.A very good player.Not a superstar. #BlameWilponz. Never Forget
by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 1, 2011 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
BOOOOO
TRAID
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 1, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, you didn't refute it though!
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 1, 2011 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
um...
Questions about whether Angel Pagan should anchor an outfield that includes a downward-trending Jason Bay and a big ol’ nebulous ball of mediocrity in the form of Fernando Martinez, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, or some other stopgap who we will all collectively pray can maintain a batting average above Mo Vaughn’s playing weight.
Mr. Duda would like a word with you…
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Haven't you heard?
Duda plays second base now!
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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 1, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
and bats 2nd?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
All second basemen do
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 1, 2011 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Mets writers are collectively trying to gloss over any bright spots in the organization
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