Jose Reyes, Sandy Alderson, And Joel Sherman Walk Into A Bar...
by Eric Simon on Nov 6, 2011 1:11 PM EST
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PrintToday in the Post, Joel Sherman asserts the following with respect to the Mets' plan (or not) to let Jose Reyes walk and trade David Wright:
The Mets kept Reyes on what likely are to be two false premises: They were contenders, and they had a chance to retain the shortstop in free agency.
Indeed part of the reasoning behind not trading Reyes was that it would likely make it easier to re-sign him this offseason, but it's revisionist history to suggest that the Mets thought they were legitimate contenders at the time. They had already traded Carlos Beltran, for one thing. Moreover, the Mets held onto Reyes because he had become considerably devalued by his recent stint on the disabled list (and obvious lack of full health subsequent to that stint), and because they would have been pilloried (and punished monetarily) by the fan base for trading their (the fans') favorite player.
It's also dishonest to baldly assert retroactively that a premise was false, as Sherman does here. Whether or not the Mets have now decided to punt on 2012 and, in so doing, make a clean break from the Reyes-Wright era, it doesn't necessarily follow that they held that same position when they elected not to trade Reyes last July, and a change in that position in no way falsifies what was a perfectly defensible premise at the time (i.e., that keeping Reyes would improve the Mets' chances of re-signing him this offseason).
It's par for the course for Sherman, though, who doubtless has at least a half-dozen "Mets are fools for letting Reyes leave" columns in the bag to cover that eventuality, with a commensurate pile of "Mets are fools for signing Reyes to that contract" articles to address the other outcome. It's win-win!
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How did Joel Sherman get his job?
Because, I’m pretty sure that I can do a lot better; I’m unemployed, and could use the job.
At no point in 2012 were the Mets contenders, and the notion that we were or weren’t didn’t have any impact on retaining Reyes- if the higher-ups in the front office believed that the team was in contention as the Trade Deadline approached, K-Rod and/or Carlos Beltran would not have been dealt, since both were having very good rebound years.
The Mets still have a chance to re-sign Jose Reyes- personally, the best chance, in relation to other MLB teams. As various AAOPs demonstrated, the money is there in the budget this season to both re-sign him and fix the little cracks here and there that plague the team. Given his history with the team, the fact that the team can match any offer that is made that isn’t insane A-Rod money or contract length, and the fact that it is New York City, it seems to me that Reyes landing anywhere else is the unlikely scenario.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 6, 2011 1:25 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Your reasoning has no place
in the LOLMets-iverse.
Mets, Jets, Islanders, Knicks.
GO RANGERS! Get Endy a ring!
by piazza62 on Nov 6, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right
I’ll go back in the corner and watch Beltran striking out on a loop…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 6, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 6, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, whoops.
Not 2012. 2011.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 6, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
He has pictures of his boss in a compromising position with a
farm animal.
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Really good kid.A very good player.Not a superstar. #BlameWilponz. Never Forget
by ScottfromPeekskill on Nov 6, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sherman is the only one with the false premises
The truth is that the Mets were not going to get any better in a trade than the two first round picks they would get if he leaves as a FA.
After the injury, definitely.
If they had traded him in June, they may have outdone the two 1st rounders, but I’m not sure.
Why would a team trade anything substantial for an injured rental?
If he had a setback and didn’t play at all for the rest of the year, that team would’ve literally given up something for nothing. I think he will resign, and if not, having three top 50 picks in the draft is extremely tempting if there’s good talent to be had.
Mets, Jets, Islanders, Knicks.
GO RANGERS! Get Endy a ring!
Sherman is just trying to piss people off
Eric, I’m glad your response was measured and accurate. Yeah, he’s a dick, and he’s wrong, and you took him down in an appropriate manner. Also, I’m pretty sure if the title scenario were to happen, Sherman would instigate a fight with Sandy, who would lay Sherman out on the ground with one swift right hook. As this happens, Jose sits on the opposite end of the bar sipping tequila and attracting every woman within 15 feet of him.
"F***ing shocker." -Billy Wagner
by nymgb44 on Nov 6, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
The Mets are a laughing stock
Until those three 1%ers sell the team they deserve all the bad press they can get.
"It's such a fine line between stupid...and clever."
The Dude abides.
Why are you guys picking on Andy Botwin?
"RBI’s does measure something – Wins."
-Bayonne Mets Fan on MMO
Crickets? Nothing at all?
Joel Sherman:
"RBI’s does measure something – Wins."
-Bayonne Mets Fan on MMO
by Dandy Salderson on Nov 7, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Is there a decent ny sports writer
Excluding ones on the netz.
Granted I only read two papers (the post and the news), but I have yet to discover a solid columnist.
Vaccaro and Mushnick have ther moments, but besides that…meh.
Rey-sign Rey-ass
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
Vaccaro is pretty good and Davidoff is a great Baseball writer
Rubin can be annoying at times, but his coverage of the Mets and their minor leaguers is really, really strong. He’s as good as a beat writer as there is.
I forgot about those three
They are very solid beat guys. The vast majority of the columnists in NY are awful.
people read newspapers?
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 7, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
alan hahn is really good
he just doesnt cover baseball.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Wait.....which bar ?
because I can be there in like 10 minutes.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Nov 6, 2011 3:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
What a joke, and, it's on us
Sandy is a bum, we went from one extreme with Omar to the other with Sandy. This is NEW YORK, pull your head out of you behind and WAKE UP!!!!! You can’t run this team like it is a small market team, or, like a team with no money. The METS have the money, Omar just spent it wrong and gave out bad contracts. To let Reyes walk and trade Wright is a huge mistake, who are we gonna pay to watch, Davis, Duda and Thole? I feel that REYES is gone, but, Sandy has not even made a case to retain him. Im not about to give up on 2012, yet, but, If Sandy keep gutting this team like a fish, what will be left?
somebody needs a nap
One day, this team is going to kill me.
by fxcarden on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Please put down the crack pipe
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by Russ on Nov 6, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Where are you getting this idea that Alderson is stockpiling all this money?
Save Jenrry Mejia!
by Ogre39666 on Nov 6, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"like a team with no money"
ding-ding-ding!
by SuperT on Nov 6, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna enjoy watching Davis and Duda
No matter if we have dubs and Jose.
Not that I don’t want them
Rey-sign Rey-ass
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
by JoeBighead on Nov 6, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Oh, Brett.
The 2011 New York Mets: Assume crash position
by CTRefJay on Nov 6, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
You said back in May that you weren't going to pay attention to the Mets anymore
Please go back to doing that.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 6, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I just made 3 comments on this thread green
It is going to be a good day.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
If The Mets Don't Re-sign Jose
They aren’t just punting on 2012, when they have no hope anyway. They are punting on 2013, 2014, and 2015.
by WT Economist on Nov 6, 2011 4:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'd really like to punt you off a bridge
Mets, Jets, Islanders, Knicks.
GO RANGERS! Get Endy a ring!
they punted baxter?
#Bradyismymancrush
by The Talented Mr. Dickey on Nov 7, 2011 9:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Correct
A lot of people I’ve heard are willing to let Reyes walk exactly because the Mets aren’t going to be competing in the near future barring unusual circumstances. If he has a 5, 6 year contract, he’ll still be around, and arguably, still a positive producer, when we are expected to compete.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 6, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
resigning Jose will go a long way in helping this team win
but not signing him, in no way is equivalent to punting 2013-2015.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Because a hack reporter from the Post said so
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Alderson referred to November "Jose Month"
Yet these “reporters” are sounding the alarm bell that he is not signed on the sixth?! Insanity.
Am I doing this right?
by brooklynberger on Nov 6, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm.. dude its obvious
Reyes isn’t Sandy’s type of player which is why he’s definitely going to be traded midseason not going to be resigned.
Here's another juicy log to throw into the furnace
“Andy Martino of the New York Daily News reports that if the Mets deal David Wright, they would likely wait until next year’s trade deadline to do so.
General manager Sandy Alderson told Martino last week that he would have to be “bowled over” by an offer to deal Wright, and another Mets official said they expected Wright’s situation to remain “status quo” this offseason. Yet another insider said that when the Mets decided to move in the fences at Citi Field, “there was a lot of discussion about Wright,” and how it would help him. It does seem unlikely that the Mets would be willing to trade Wright in the same offseason that they’re likely to lose Jose Reyes, but perhaps they could barter him next July. "
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by Wright of passage on Nov 6, 2011 5:36 PM EST reply actions
Bad reporting in New York Post shock
Seriously, what the hell does Sherman have to do to get fired?
Whose dark secret does he hold?
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Dream goal!
Coming from Buster Olney himself
“there is sentiment within the Mets’ organization that the timing isn’t right to build around Jose Reyes.”
This source is a bit more credible on this one, but it still leads to the same result as most of the other recent news
Down 2 in the bottom of the ninth?
Lets Bring in Willie Harris!
Are you sure it wasn't from TrippingOlney?
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Dream goal!
BRUCE CHEN COULD OF STOPPED THE GIANTS
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 6, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Is this the same Sherman who said...
….before the ’11 season began said the Mets would trade Reyes to the Reds for Homer Bailey and Zack Cozart? Man, that Sherman guy can nail it, amirite??
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Nov 6, 2011 7:02 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I remember that.
Yeesh…that guy is a hell of a prognosticator.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 6, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sherman and The Post
Are Yankee fans so we should taking anything regarding the Mets from that propaganda rag with a grain of salt. All he is good for is for feeding scumbag skankee trolls and pissing off Mets fans he’s a hack
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by BlueChill on Nov 6, 2011 7:21 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
To Recap
Amazin’ Avenue > NY Post
Rational discourse > Meaningless Drivel
Eric Simon > Joel Sherman
Coke > Pepsi
Disagreed on the last one.
I like Pepsi better than Coke sometimes.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 6, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon
that’s not even a fair fight.
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
I know, I know
getting warmed up for next Monday’s concert. Yeah baby.
One day, this team is going to kill me.
Saw them at the Meadowlands a few weeks ago
3 and a half hours of epic
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by blueandorange4life on Nov 6, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
NY pizza>Chicago pizza
Rey-sign Rey-ass
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
by JoeBighead on Nov 6, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Batman > Superman
Save Jenrry Mejia!
by Ogre39666 on Nov 6, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Batman>everyone/thing
Rey-sign Rey-ass
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
Not R.A. Dickey
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 7, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Make sure you are in queens when you say that
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Nov 6, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I live in Brooklyn
And say it regularly. I had “Ether” as my ringtone for like a year or two when I was in 8th and 9th grade.
That's the definition of balls.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 7, 2011 6:57 AM EST up reply actions
If you asked me
a few years ago, I would’ve disagreed with this. Now, I share this viewpoint.
Mind full of intoxins
My thoughts shadowboxin'
PC > Mac
Oh, yeah, I just went there
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 6, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
pepsi, no coke
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
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i cant spell a nosebleed
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i'm a moderator for GGN. I will accept tribute.
And hopefully, for Jose
Staying with the Mets, breaking club records, induction into the team HoF and having no. 7 retired > Following the money to Milwaukee, still not making the playoffs, and meaning nothing to the fans who loved you.
Mets, Jets, Islanders, Knicks.
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by piazza62 on Nov 6, 2011 8:12 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
This.
Rey-sign Rey-ass
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
by JoeBighead on Nov 6, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My theory about why Beltran ditched Boras
Is that he has come around to my opinion, which is that Boras is very good at one thing, but maybe not the best possible agent because he puts money above all other considerations, while individuals wanting to live really sweet lives might be interested in trading dollars for other valuable considerations (for example, a lifetime of adoration in one of the world’s great cities).
In my fantasy, Beltran has let Jose in on this wisdom.
by SuperT on Nov 6, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Reyes is as good as gone
I spoke to someone who knows things, and the Mets offseason plan is currently not to resign Reyes unless he takes a steep hometown discount (something like 4 years with a 5th year trigger). They are hoping that someone make a huge offer to take the pressure off their lack of interest in retaining him. There is going to be some GM who makes a proper offer to him, so it’s more than probable that we’ve seen the last of Reyes.
I will say that their financial situation has gotten worse since last July when it seemed like they had a decent shot to resign Reyes. The Einhorn deal fell through (I might speculate that one of his conditions of buying the team might have been the retention of Reyes and the promise of a more competitive team in the short run). Then in August the judge ruled that they remain liable for 386million in Madoff clawback money. So Sherman isn’t entirely wrong that their chances of resigning him have reversed since July. The 2012 salary projections have shrunk since the all-star break. I have also heard the Wilpon’s plan to offer pieces of the team has not proven attractive to buyers. That they laid off 10% of the non-baseball operations staff is proof that they are hurting for money. I haven’t heard they’ll trade Wright (letting him and Reyes would be terrible PR and kill next year’s ticket sales). Also it would make a lot more sense to hope for Wright to turn back the clock and put up MVP numbers before putting him on the market. The fact that they moved in the walls is evidence to me they plan to retain Wright at least through the all-star break.
Well, I spoke to another someone who knows thing and he is higher up than the someone who knows things that you know
And I was told that the Mets are making Reyes a top priority. Also, I was told you are a doody face. That last part may have been conjecture, I am not sure.
Another thing that annoys me is percentages. When 10% is 15 people, that’s not absurd. It’s like Netflix’s 60% price increase, 6 bucks isn’t the difference between paying rent and keeping your subscription..
by Evan_S on Nov 6, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Probably should have said, percentages out of context
That makes me seem like an ignorant neanderthal who hates math, which, if my “doody face” comment is any indication, an ignorant neanderthal I am not.
Don't shoot the messenger
So you’re saying things you think things look better for the Mets than they did last July? Did you think last July they would not make any offer to Reyes in October and wait for the market to set the price? Did you think the Einhorn deal would fall through? Did you think they would announce they were moving the fences in? Did you think they would announce they’re laying off 10% of their workforce?
I hate most of the Mets beatwriters and their negativity…but you’re being a pollyanna if you think all the news that’s come out lately is irrelevant.
The someone that you know might be a tool for disinformation
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I'm not at all sure things look worse for them now than they did a few months ago
They seem to be out from under what had been the very real possibility of being judged culpable in the fraud, for one thing.
I am friendly with a sports agent
(his big client in baseball being Jim Rigglemann, say what you will) and he said that Reyes loves the Mets and would love to stay with them, even for a hometown discount
So poo on you.
Rey-sign Rey-ass
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
If you read my post,
I said for Reyes to stay he will have to take a steep hometown discount. But I don’t see how he stays if he’s being asked to leave 40million on the table.
And if you read my post
Reyes would, supposedly take that discount.
Rey-sign Rey-ass
Logic Your Sense Makes None.
Mets fan should kiss the ground he trods upon
if that should come to pass. If I had to bet though, I think he’ll sign with the Marlins for something like 120million.
A lot of people on this site seem to think the Mets are willing to offer him 6years, 100million or more even. What I was told is their walk away number is much lower. I have every reason to believe the information I was told is true, and I won’t say any more about it. I’m just some guy on the internet so l understand why you might be skeptical.
I still won't believe
the Mets will let Reyes walk. And if they do, for the rest of my life I’ll be saying “I can’t believe the Mets did that.” That’s all. Just thinking about Jose in another uniform makes me bitter. I’m preparing to be bitter if he actually leaves. The life of a Mets fan.
Astro Travellin'
I remember Sox fans saying that...
when they let Pedro walk. That worked out for them.
No, but Reyes wasn't as good as Pedro was either
Pedro owned Boston, and the whispers at the time were… greatest ever (he was doing it during the big homerun years). Pedro was still possibly the best pitcher in the AL at the time if not for injuries (sound familiar?)
Boston also had other pieces in place though
The Mets are Reyes, Wright and everyone else, the Red Sox didn’t need Pedro.
No
Sorry I like Reyes but Im not going to worship the guy. I only speak for myself as a Mets fan but I’m prepared for Reyes leaving, it’s for the best. Every Met hater is hoping for LeBron James like meltdown if Reyes leaves but its not going to happen
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by BlueChill on Nov 6, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jose loves the spotlight too much to play for a team with no fans
Still Amazin'.
Jose Reyes is a MET in 2012.
The Marlins aren't going to sign anyone for $120 million dollars over 5-7 years
That comes out to roughly $20 million dollars a year, which is roughly 1/3 their entire payroll. Plus, they have Hanley Ramirez, so Reyes going to the Marlins makes no sense.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 7, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
Replace Marlins with the Nationals in that sentence and that was the conventional wisdom last year before they signed Werth.
Reportedly the Marlins are going to add up to 30milion (up to 87) in spending this year. They’ve got a new publicly funded stadium. Guillen has twittered that he wants Reyes, and has said he is to be open to Ramirez changing positions. Also Ramirez is godfather to Reyes’ daughter. 120 may be a stretch, but I can see them making a splash. Reyes is a great fit for their roster, and Miami is one of the few places that would fit Jose culturally.
This notion that Miami is one of the few places...
There is no major metropolitan center in the United States that does not have a large Hispanic population anymore. This notion that Hispanic players only fit in Miami culturally is beginning to be a tired stereotype.
And the Nationals are looking to take on another 100 million dollar contract because the last one worked out so well.
And Zimmerman is up for an extension in two years, do people really think Washington can have three $100 million+ contracts on the books at the same time? Especially when Werth is coming off a terrible year and Reyes is injury prone? Reyes to the Nationals makes no sense right now.
Does talking about Reyes make people crazy?
I didn’t suggest the Nationals as a landing spot; the statement was an analogy. Nobody thought the Nationals were players last year and then the Werth signing happened. BDMF can argue that Marlins are not a destination for a big free agent this winter just because they haven’t been the past, but it’s faulty reasoning.
Marquus, culture does not equal ethnicity. St. Louis may have a bunch of Latino’s these days, but I can’t imagine Jose there. It is quite easy to imagine him in Miami.
Reading fail on my part
I read “Replace Marlins with the Nationals” and assumed the end of the sentence. My bad.
Nationals ownership =/= Loria
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 7, 2011 7:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that's not how finances work
First off, the Mets don’t owe anything for the Madoff thing, its their owner who owes. And, I’m not sure this is entirely clear, but owners don’t spend their personal money on salaries and contracts – these teams are a business and they match expenses (e.g. salaries) against expected revenues. No team, no matter how deep the pockets of the owner, go in expecting to lose 8 figures worth of cash with the intention of making it up from their personal wealth.
The reason that the Mets financial situation is potentially worse is that a) they suck and nobody wants to go to their ballgames (and spend money), and b) they won’t spend money to fix that. Thus you get the self-fulfilling prophecy that we won’t make any money next year because we suck, therefore we won’t spend any money and we’ll suck.
That they laid off 10% of the staff is not because they are hurting for money, its because they project to suck (sans Reyes) and have no revenue.
This is friggin’ New York, the biggest stage in the United States. Want to earn like a big market team? Spend like a big market team. Or be the Royals, whatever.
My anonymous source
Says the person that you spoke to who knows things is actually talking out of his ass
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Dream goal!
by Aidan Gibson on Nov 7, 2011 5:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who do you know that "knows things"?
And for that matter, who are you?
Still Amazin'.
Jose Reyes is a MET in 2012.
I am James McCullen Destro XXIV, Laird of Castle Destro in the Scottish Highlands
But seriously, I’m like you, a diehard Mets fan. I’ve lurked on this site for a long time, and I have it from a reliable source.
My question is
If Pujols leaves StL, do they try to sign Reyes? Who signs first?
Gibson for Manager!
Who isn't even arbitration eligible yet, let alone a free agent (2017 is right around the corner, though)
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Nov 7, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I thought the Cards wanted to re-sign Rafael Furcal.
That was the last I heard, anyway…that they had mutual interest in re-signing.
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by Steve Schreiber on Nov 7, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
My Thoughts on Reyes
Jose is a tremendous player WHEN HE PLAYS. However, he hasn’t played a 150 games since 2008. The last 2 seasons he has averaged 125 games a season. He wants and will probably get $15 + million for 4-5 yrs. That is a ton of money for a guy who has missed at least 25% of the last 3 seasons. This is not the type of player you can rebuild around as good as he might be when he plays.
As much as I love the guy and enjoy watching him, you have to ask yourself – is it smart for a team to lock up that kind of money in a player who can’t stay healthy? And Reyes is approaching 30 which means he is more likely to miss more games, not less, in the later years of the contract.
While I don’t want to see Reyes go I could understand why Alderson would decide he could put that $15 million to better use. After all re-signing an injury plagued player to a big contract extension is not exactly a “Moneyball” move.
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This is not the type of player you can rebuild around as good as he might be when he plays.
I think you are severely understating this aspect. He has averaged over 4 WAR for his career despite the missed time. He was worth over 6 WAR last season despite missing 30 games. He is good enough that he can miss 15-30 games and still be worth $15M (or more) per year.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
by Ogre39666 on Nov 8, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No One Is Disputing Reyes' Talent
He has a great WAR despite the injuries but still his health is a major concern and no one seems to be discussing it. If the Mets were closer to be a real contender I think resigning him would probably make a lot of sense.
However, this team is rebuilding and the question I would ask if I were Alderson – is Reyes the guy or one of the guys I want to rebuild around? And what I keep coming back to is Reyes plays about 125 games/yr these days. Is this where you invest your $15-20 million/yr or do you plow that back into the farm system to develop some, good young talent? I am not sure the answer but I think it is a legitimate question Alderson needs to be asking.
He'll get much, much more than 15/60
otherwise the Mets would’ve signed him in their exclusivity period and this page wouldn’t exist.
Still Amazin'.
Jose Reyes is a MET in 2012.
I didn't realize until right now
That Sherman’s original column contains a Werth/worth pun. Oof.
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