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Davis/Duda Discussion

Why do we prefer Ike Davis at first and Duda in the outfield?

I understand that Davis is a better first baseman, but he'd likely be a MUCH better outfielder. Knowing Davis played relief pitcher in college he likely has a much better arm, it's clear he has more mobility and I believe he played a great deal of outfield in college. Would just rather put the worse defender at first and maximize our outfield defense.

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Me, personally,

I’d rather have now guy who is mediocre (Duda in right) and one guy who is above average (Ike at 1st) than two guys who are mediocre (Duda’s defense at 1st + Ike out of position in the OF).

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 1, 2011 5:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Elite and medicore > mediocre and mediocre.

And there is at least anecdotal evidence which suggests an elite defensive 1B can make your other IF’ers better.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 1, 2011 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

In response to both comments above -

I don’t see Duda as mediocre, I see him as below average. I think mediocre is wishful thinking especially considering his defensive numbers in right last year.

by METSMETSMETS on Dec 1, 2011 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

His plus bat negates his subpar defense, and vice versa

Making him net mediocre all around.

And, I mean mediocre in a general “non-scientific” sense.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 1, 2011 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

His offense

has superstar potential. Low Ks, monster power, clearly able to hit good pitching and shitty pitching alike. I think with mediocre defense at first he’s a 3-4 WAR player, and mediocre defense in the OF Davis is a 3-5 WAR player.

by METSMETSMETS on Dec 1, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

His offense has superstar potential.

easy there, cowboy.

Victor Diaz.

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by fxcarden on Dec 1, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Victor Diaz

struck out at an incredibly high clip. Lucas Duda at around league average.

by METSMETSMETS on Dec 1, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Duda's much better than Diaz

I just liked how people called him Mini Manny

by Evan_S on Dec 2, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

he became a hotdog vendor

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by fxcarden on Dec 1, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He was bad in his first full year playing the position.

The more he plays there, the more comfortable he’ll get.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 1, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Duda

has played outfield before. He had played well over 100 games there professionally before 2011. And he was still horrendous.

by METSMETSMETS on Dec 1, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It's misleading to only quote the number of games he's played in the OF.

He barely played the OF until 2010:

2007: (A-) 28
2008: (A) 9
2009: (AA) 42
2010: (AA) 35 (AAA) 60
2011 (AAA) 34

His OF experience in the minors is equivalent to less than 2 seasons, and it’s worth noting that he also had to play in a different home field each year. He was still primarily a 1B until 2010

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 1, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Adam Dunn says hai

Seriously speaking though, watching Duda play last year sure didn’t lead to the conclusion that his problem was a lack of comfort. It looked more like a lack of mobility which won’t get any better with time.

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by Blame-everyone-else on Dec 2, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Traid.

Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "

by SuperSantana on Dec 1, 2011 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

wewease

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by fxcarden on Dec 1, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure Ike is much slower

and Duda didn’t look strong at first last season, and I would rather have a sure hand at first and a liability in right than vice versa

by VinnyG917 on Dec 1, 2011 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

Ike Davis in the OF

mean less flippy-catches.
Less awesome.

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by JoeBighead on Dec 1, 2011 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

greened

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by fxcarden on Dec 1, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The unfortunate fact is we have never seen Ike Davis play in the outfield ever

So we have next to know ability to predict how he would fare. It’s an interesting exercise though. We can theorize that he might be decent based on his sure-handedness in the infield and his strong arm (used to pitch in college).

However, there is so much more to outfield defense than that. Does he read the ball well off of the bat? Does he take good routes? What’s his range, etc.? We don’t know these things. Perhaps our coaching staff does.

He did play some outfield in college, which means he has at least some experience post-puberty, but he has not played a single inning at the position as a professional.

by TheBigStapler on Dec 2, 2011 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

Duda and Davis are both first basemen.

Neither has the speed, body type, or agility to be even an adequate corner outfielder. We should be trading Duda for pitching or an actual outfielder (or agitating for the NL to add a DH).

by djletz on Dec 2, 2011 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe Duda's D will improve (somewhat) with the dimension changes in RF

The more he plays in RF, I think it can be expected that he improves defensively. The coaching staff should also be able to improve his D a little right? Regardless, leave Duda/Davis at RF/1B respectively. I think we should lobby to have as many inter league games as possible so Duda can DH.

by Adam F. on Dec 2, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

I think that Duda's defense will definitely improve

I don’t think that he’ll be league average, but I do think his negative UZR can get to the mid-single digits. To me, that would be a total win.

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by Russ on Dec 2, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his defense will improve when he replaces Bay.

Which, hopefully, will be before the ASG.

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by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 2, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully we can get it done

And then, hopefully, Kirk can play right.

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by piazza62 on Dec 2, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Kirk can play RF

He just probably doesn’t have the bat for a corner spot.

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by Russ on Dec 3, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say that the real problem is that someone's contract

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by Russ on Dec 3, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not put both guys in the corners of the outfield, and trade for another first baseman like Trumbo?

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by Danz10 on Dec 3, 2011 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

What are we trading for Trumbo?

And how many ways can I think of to say “no”?

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by piazza62 on Dec 3, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

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