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A Bridge Loan Too Far

I don't believe the news that the Mets have sought--and received--another loan from MLB should be all that shocking. But this, combined with the recent loss of Jose Reyes to the free spending Marlins (another team with dubious finances), set off many fans' You Gotta Be Effin' Kidding Me Alarms.

This morning, I even heard a WFAN caller say he would root for the Nationals over the Mets this coming season. While I suspect this caller is either hyperbolizing or not much of a fan (while also sounding like the kind of guy who proposes a Mike Nickeas for Justin Verlander trade), his words were indicative of the kind of anger and fear inspired by this news. It's one thing for the Mets to take a pass on a high priced free agent, home grown or not. It's another entirely to need a $40 million get-me-over from Bud Selig's Money Store.

The line thus far has been that this piddling eight-figure loan is just to tide the Mets over until their wonderful minority shares scheme takes off. That plan is going swimmingly thus far, because the Wilpons have told us it is, and anything else is none of our business, apparently. That's why it's never been explained exactly why anyone would buy shares in an institution with steadily mounting debt, whose owners will probably be forced to sell majority stake before long. Or why the Mets' best hope for a viable, well financed minority owner, David Einhorn, mysteriously dropped out this summer, never to be heard from again.

I've defended the Wilpons on this site before. Around this time last year, I still believed they weren't so much dishonest as gobsmacked, so stunned by the Madoff mess they were slow to realize the true depths of their financial situation. But at this point, I feel there is more evidence that they're simply not telling the truth about the status of their coffers. Or even worse, are possessed of a god-like level of self delusion or crippling amount of stupidity to not realize they don't have enough money to own a baseball team anymore.

So the Wilpons are either liars or morons with blinders. In either case, I'd rather they not have anything to do with my favorite team. And yet, I can't blame them entirely for this mess. In the face of financial ruin, they're simply trying to hang on to their biggest, most valued asset. Wouldn't you?

It takes two to tango in this situation: One to hold out his hand, and the other to fork over the cash. For the latter, we have to blame Bud Selig, MLB commissioner and Wilpon BFF. Fred Wilpon, after all, was instrumental in ousting Faye Vincent and installing Selig as Commissioner For Life, and for that Selig is eternally grateful. It's the main reason why Wilpon, and not his former co-owner Nelson Doubleday, is now the sole owner of the Mets.

If Wilpon was anybody else, would he be toast by now? It's impossible to say, but if the Frank McCourt affair proved anything, it's that if Selig wants someone gone, he can make them disappear with Mafia speed. Granted, McCourt did Selig a huge favor by doing colossally idiotic and unethical things like putting his family on the payroll with no-show jobs and spending lavish amounts of money on ridiculous expenses. But it was clear from day one that the main reason Selig tossed McCourt to the curb when times got tight is that he was not part of Selig's "inner circle." More than anything else, Selig simply did not want that man to own a baseball team anymore.

If the Wilpons' situation isn't exactly analogous to McCourt's--they haven't, as far as I know, attempted to hire a faith healer on the Mets' dime--it is disturbingly familiar to that of another embattled former owner, Tom Hicks. As owner of the Texas Rangers, Hicks was a comparatively good citizen, but he stretched himself too thin and took out far too many loans to cover expenses. He too sought to sell minority shares in his team, until the enormity of his cash problems became painfully obvious.

A planned sale of the team was squashed when Hicks' creditors realized the proceeds wouldn't cover his enormous debts. Selig threatened an MLB takeover of the Rangers, much in the way he'd done with the Expos. Hicks was forced to declare bankruptcy and the team was finally sold at auction to the current Peter Greenberg-Nolan Ryan ownership.

In other words, when Selig even threatens severe action, things get done. The differences between Hicks' situation and that of the Wilpons' is becoming increasingly academic. And yet, Selig has not so much as had a harsh word for the Wilpons. He continues to play along with their Potemkin village version of reality, and it does no one a bit of good, least of all the Wilpons themselves. If Bud Selig and Fred Wilpon really are good friends, the best thing Selig can do is to gently guide his friend out MLB's backdoor.

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I have since I saw what

they did with Citi Field. Still haven’t been there. And won’t until those bastards are gone. Fuck them!

"Never throw a slider to The Glider."

- Ed Charles, No. 5

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- Ralph Kiner

by The Glider on Dec 14, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

While Selig has been unfairly vilanized on a lot of issues

I find his gatekeeping of the MLB-Owners-Club to be especially vile.

"RBI’s does measure something – Wins."
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by Dandy Salderson on Dec 13, 2011 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

I haven't been to a Mets game in 15 years

does that count? (physical health problems aside)

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 13, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

is this your closing argument?

"No curses, only incompetent ownership" - Russ

by Help!I'maRock! on Dec 13, 2011 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

I'm actually jealous of the Dodgers fanbase

While McCourt is just as bad, at least there’s a light at the end of that tunnel. This feels like one of those dreams where you just keep falling and can’t wake up.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 13, 2011 2:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hey, I've got a great idea!

I know a guy who would love to buy the Dodgers.

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by Dandy Salderson on Dec 13, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

this

one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming

by Gina on Dec 13, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

… sigh … cry

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by The Glider on Dec 14, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Poor Bobby Bo

If the Mets do file for bankruptcy, as an unsecured creditor (I presume), he could see a pretty big loss on “that beautiful thing” of his.

by xgamblorx on Dec 13, 2011 2:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

wouldnt that be ironical

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Dec 13, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You assume correctly

From what I know its a straight we will pay you x amount per year for y number of years with no collateral or security backing it. Presumably the bridge loans and the other team debt (that owned by JP Morgan, and anyone else I’m forgetting) are secured in some way since no one could be silly enough to lend the Wilpons money with no security or collateral.

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by blueandorange4life on Dec 14, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

But

he’d have a great malpractice action against his lawyer.

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by The Glider on Dec 14, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

A Mike Nickeas for Justin Verlander trade would totally make sense

I’m down.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Check out the twitter handle

@WFANTrades

Hysterical.

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by Dandy Salderson on Dec 13, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No...

Good lord, how have I missed this?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

for roto baseball?

why not

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 13, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

There's not a doubt in my mind

that Selig is going to let the WIlpons hang on until he leaves office – which hopefully will be the end of the 2012 season. There’s no way he wants his parting legacy to include the failure/bankruptcy/auction of one of the two NY teams.

As far as the Wilpons go, I can’t believe you can get that rich and hold onto said millions/billions if you’re generally a moron. So his other business/assests aside, Fred had to be sentimentally turning a blind eye to what was going on through 2010 with his ‘beloved’ baseball team.

In early Aug of ‘10, Fred, when asked if Omar was still his boy, replied something to the effect of ’will the sun come out tomorrow’? Fast forward 2 months, Omar was out, Alderson was in. If that doesn’t smack of cutting a deal with Selig, I don’t know what does.

So yeah…Selig is the enabler here, IMO.

by MetsFan4Decades on Dec 13, 2011 2:32 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Why would he rather he legacy be

Letting one of the two NY franchises bleed out and die on his watch? Would you rather be known for helping to fix a situation or take no progressive action and piss off millions of people?

I’ll tell you where you can shove your OPS.

Here’s what puts food on the table for Jason Bay and his family – his ability to hit HRs and drive in runs – RBIs

by piazza62 on Dec 13, 2011 3:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

so why the heck doesn't Selig just freakin' force the Pons out?

they’re such shit-filled owners anyone with a sense of anything realizes the Pons are awful for baseball, let alone the Mets. after all, New York is supposed to be a “big market” town right? right? -—-

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Dec 13, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides making do on his favor ...

I really think that the Pon’s are so leveraged and in debt, that if Selig tried prying loose the Mets from their house of financial cards, the whole thing would collapse.

by brooklynlou on Dec 13, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yup, the debt is enormous, and Selig is culpable

So a bankruptcy or sale requiring an accounting isn’t very palatable. I expect we’re destined to flounder until they either really and truly collapse, or the real estate market recovers.

by SuperT on Dec 13, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What does it say about the team when MLB, who sees their books, wont lend them another penny?

Somewhere, not too far off beats a drum. This drum only knows one tune, the funeral march..dum, dum da dum da dum da dum da dum.

Ask not for whom the drum beats Mr.Wilpon, for it beats for you dickhead.

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 14, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

During that time

Fred had basically turned over the day to day operations to his jackass son. I’m sure even when the evidence was most likely clear to Fred that Jeffy was in over head, I’m sure there was some father-son denial going on. By the time Fred woke up, the roof had caved in from all fronts.

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by The Glider on Dec 14, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeff worked his way up the corporate ladder with no help from any relatives.He started on the ground floor

and it took him 2 hours to find the private elevator all by himself and took it up and pressed the floor button all by himself.Jeffie then found his office without any help from anyone.Anyone who mentions nepotism is way off base concerning this hard-working,brilliant young man.

by Putnan Prince on Dec 14, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

DiComo tweet:

‘Props to the #Mets for playing the theme to Home Alone at their holiday party today.’

by MetsFan4Decades on Dec 13, 2011 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

true story

i used to prank call the money store when i was in middle school. i would ask about purchasing dollars with nickels and dimes.

i also prank called 1-800-MATTRES like all the time.

FUN STORY I KNOW RIGHT.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Dec 13, 2011 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

They already hit bottom ...

All they’re doing now is digging.

Everyone forgets that SNY writes a check to the Mets every year for 100 million. That basically the teams payroll and should, with everything else the team makes (gate, food, knick knacks, etc) keep them WAY out of the red.

I personally believe that the loans that the Pon’si took from MLB didn’t go to the team, it went to them to keep them and their entire leveraged little empire afloat.

by brooklynlou on Dec 13, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The question is how in debt do the wilpons' have to be in order for to Selig to finally put his foot down.

theyve already taken 40 million from BoA and 20 mill from MLB. At some point you have to wonder if their time is really coming up short. My guess is they have this year to either turn a profit (lol at the thought of that happening) or at least show signs of stabilizing an ounce. I cant imagine Selig watching a big market team becoming a laughingstock. At least the Cubs could blame it on GM’s making dumb player decisions. We have an owner who cant even cover payroll

by sp0rtsfan86 on Dec 13, 2011 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

there already way way way past the mlb "maximum"

If Selig was going to put his foot down it would have been a year ago when they got the first loan from MLB.

one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming

by Gina on Dec 13, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

the undead former drug addict brain eating zombies was actually the plot of this weeks episode of my favorite tv show

(Misfits) one of them even ate her (living) boyfriend’s pet iguana. That’s the point the Wilpons and Selig are at.

one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming

by Gina on Dec 13, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

For the love of God and Humanity

Please make the Wilpons sell! I think there would be great rejoicing around here. And I mean the good kind of rejoicing, like original end of Jedi, not the end of Phantom Menace.

by CCE718 on Dec 13, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i'll bring the gas and firelighters

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 14, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

That and this franchise

IS already a laughingstock. That stared on or about the Minaya/Bernazard/Rubin debacle and just gained momentum from there.

We went from the team in the mid 80s everyone loved to hate,
to the team in the 90s that everyone just basically ignored,
to the team in the past several years that everyone loves to make fun of.

Whoever first said ‘it ain’t easy being a Met fan’, sure hit the nail on the head.

by MetsFan4Decades on Dec 13, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Their financial situation is not going to be helped

.. by the fact that this team will likely struggle to win 60 games next season.

by Brooklyn2002 on Dec 13, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

81 wins

Book it.

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by Dandy Salderson on Dec 13, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

with divine luck you mean

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by feslenraster on Dec 13, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

DAMN

GO TO BASEBALL TEBOW, NO ONE LIKES YOU

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by rexthejet on Dec 13, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I love how everything is Tebow this and Tebow that

even stuff he has nothing to do with, like the play of Denver’s defense or Marion Barber not having a brain or other teams screwing up. This despite still being an awful quarterback who doubles as a pretty good fullback when he has too. Passer-wise, he has yet to have eve a decent game throwing the ball

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by blueandorange4life on Dec 14, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

it annoys me that Cam Newton is putting up numbers like no rookie has

and they’re talking about Tebow managing to not fuck up for 4 qts

one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming

by Gina on Dec 14, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Cam Newton is not a media freak show like Tebow is

#ratings

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by Russ on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Cam Newton's

Also not 5-1. (For the record, I like Cam Newton way more than Tim Tebow).

It’s all about the WINZ

by MetsCity on Dec 14, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

he was last year in the NCAA

media freakshows are usually created by the media. If they wanted to they could turn him into one with his ridiculous numbers, when you factor in his production on the ground I don’t think any rookie qb has come close to being as productive as he’s been.

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by Gina on Dec 14, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Newton has the bigger mouth

However the SOB can actually throw, unlike Denver’s tight end

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by BlueChill on Dec 15, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The team won't be any worse or better than in 2011

but the lack of action and effort is more than enough to piss people off.

I’ll tell you where you can shove your OPS.

Here’s what puts food on the table for Jason Bay and his family – his ability to hit HRs and drive in runs – RBIs

by piazza62 on Dec 13, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

they’re losing almost 1 run per game.

Shoot the puck Barry!!!

by dsteak on Dec 13, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Losing our best hitter

and a reliable starter (Capuano) will almost certainly have no effect. Yup. Uh huh.

by Brooklyn2002 on Dec 13, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The losses will be mitigated by the improvements to the bullpen

and return of hitters from the DL plus whatever prospects come up. You may not like it, and nor do I, but it is what it is.

I’ll tell you where you can shove your OPS.

Here’s what puts food on the table for Jason Bay and his family – his ability to hit HRs and drive in runs – RBIs

by piazza62 on Dec 13, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming we don't lose anyone to the DL (which never happens).

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 13, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the unbalanced schedule hurts

with the teams in our division getting better. But I agree that with healthier seasons from Davis and Wright, we’ll be comparable to last year. People shouldn’t underestimate what a sound bullpen can mean to a team.

by tmu on Dec 13, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The only team that got any better is the Marlins apparently

Unless the thought of facing Ty Wigginton scares you

I’ll tell you where you can shove your OPS.

Here’s what puts food on the table for Jason Bay and his family – his ability to hit HRs and drive in runs – RBIs

by piazza62 on Dec 13, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Paul Wilson, Alex Escobar, and Shawn Abner

"Let them be stud muffins"
-Tom Seaver

by piazza62 on Dec 14, 2011 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, because Strasburg = Wilson and Harper = Escobar...

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Highly doubtful

70-75 wins.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2011 6:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, we're improved in certain areas

We’ve regressed in other areas, though, and that net regression trumps our net improvement.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 14, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, I doubt we get a 5 WAR bump from the new pen

to make up for Tejada in place of Reyes at short. After 2 seasons of decline, I think it’s also far fetched to expect Bay or Wright to bounce back into major offensive forces.

by FrancoTAU on Dec 14, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you can safely say they've improved the bullpen and defense (Torres and Tejada who is probably better than Reyes with the glove).

However, we’ve gotten worse starter-wise and I still don’t buy that guys coming back from the DL and a full year of Duda will make up for Reyes and Beltran.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 15, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Reyes got to ground balls that Tejada will never get near.Reyes has a gun that makes the play in the

hole that Tejada will struggle with.Jose’ is able to play a deeper SS and get to more balls because of his arm.Reyes has played the hell out of SS for the Mets.Ruben has not yet shown he can play the position on a day to day basis.Saying he is probably better than Reyes defensively is ridiculous!

by Putnan Prince on Dec 15, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Reyes also has had 3 years of negative UZR's.

It has him at 2.1 for his career, but it’s much more likely he’s a scratch defender there. Maybe you’re right that I’m giving Tejada too much credit, but if he becomes an above average defender there I feel comfortable that he’ll be better than Reyes (defensively). Either way, I think you can say we got better defensively as a team (Torres and health).

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 15, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely better with Torres.An outfield with Bay,Pagan and Duda would be scary defensively.

I’m not a big fan of UZR’s because they don’t tell the whole story of meaningless errors.Can’t remember many of Reyes mistakes really hurting the Mets and spectacular plays were part of his game.Tejada looks like he’ll be able to handle SS but time will tell.

by Putnan Prince on Dec 15, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I've actually met Fred Wilpon before

And in speaking to him, he struck me as decent guy with good intentions. If anything, I’d say your assertion is correct that most of the mess he and the Mets are in are as a result of his desperation to keep the team. They seemed to be ready to pull the trigger on the Einhorn deal until the judge ruled in their favor and limited their losses in the Maddoff deal; once they realized they didn’t have to sell off a big chunk of their most prized asset to one man (who could potentially take the team), they switched gears and nixed the deal.

And that’s most of the problem…they still have an amazingly valuable asset in the Mets franchise, and the SNY ratings which are buoyed by them. So they’ll always be offered loans as long as they own the team. And for better or worse, they have a close friend in the commissioner of MLB who is unwilling to come down hard on them. In their situation, who here would sell? As long as they can get money and time, they are willing to wait this one out and keep the team in a precarious situation until their financial situation is stabilized. I don’t think the Wilpons are bad people, or devious in nature. But to protect their asset they are willing to lie to a fanbase to keep them somewhat invigorated, and open to borrowing as much as possible to keep them afloat.

They are smart people, and I’ll give them more credit than to suggest they are deluding themselves. And frankly, I’d rather have owners who are willing to lie, than owners who are dumb enough to believe their own lies.

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by Rey-O on Dec 13, 2011 4:53 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well, I've never met Fred Wilpon

but you are probably closer to the mark here than most everything else I’ve read.

Fred was quoted as saying he lives and dies with every loss and call me naive but I believed him. (Jeff, on the other hand, probably doesn’t much care.)

None of this though is any comfort to us die-hard Met fans.

by MetsFan4Decades on Dec 13, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Mets are running a Ponzi scheme!

Let’s see.Mets owe MLB $25 million-Now owe a bridge loan that will be paid back as they borrow another $200 million
in 10- $20 million blocks to be repaid at 3% interest over 6 years to the suckers who invest with them.They’ll use that money to repay MLB and their $40 million bridge loan and to cover their operating losses of $70+ million(not counting 2012).In the end they’ll still owe more than $200 million +.The only way this will be paid back is borrow again down the road which is a Wilponzie scheme with no end in sight.

by Putnan Prince on Dec 13, 2011 5:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Selig's hand would be forced

If there was pressure on him but since it’s the Mets, the media hates them more as opposed to exposing this huge double standard

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by BlueChill on Dec 13, 2011 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

The Mets Are New York's Team

They have been run like our city, our state, and our too big to fail banks.

by WT Economist on Dec 13, 2011 6:34 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Apart from a boycott

the best fans can do is continue to make a stink, perhaps in the “green-and-gold” Manchester United sense. . . though fat lot of good that did.

The “problem” is that the Mets really DO have a good setup for success, what with a newish stadium, a huge market, and a RCN (as Boras pointed out). It’s easy for Wilpon to rationalize just bumming a couple of bucks off of Selig just to get him through this rough patch, etc.

by tmu on Dec 13, 2011 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

You know what the terrifying part is?

What if MLB allows a sale of the team to even worse owners? Like it or not Fred Wilpon really did care about the team when he had the money to do so and he always gave a lot of money to the baseball team (whether or not he made the right decisions is another story entirely).

Personally, I’d rather have the Wilpons own the team in a stable financial situation than have a Jeff Loria or Jim Dolan or Jim Crane type anywhere near the team.

I’ll tell you where you can shove your OPS.

Here’s what puts food on the table for Jason Bay and his family – his ability to hit HRs and drive in runs – RBIs

by piazza62 on Dec 13, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Dolan's stewardship of the Rangers is similar to that of Wipon's with the Mets if you ask me.

Both were willing to spend but hired guys who didn’t have the best plans. Dolan just didn’t run out of money and with the help of the salary cap, Sather eventually figured out he needed to concentrate on the draft.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 13, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I would wory more about a Dan Synder type owner

Loves the team but dumb as fuck. There was talk of that when Einhorn came into the mix

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by BlueChill on Dec 13, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

We have the same type of meddling owner

They just don’t have Snyder’s money right now.

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by BlackOps on Dec 13, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

When they had money they weren't meddling

Aside from Kevin Mc or the skill sets I can’t think of another time when they didn’t just fork over money to the GM (usually the wrong GM, but that’s another issue)

Lose Wilpon, Get Cuban

by piazza62 on Dec 13, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This is my worst fear

I’ve gotten a lot of flak for supporting the Wilpons because of this, but at this point, they’re bigger liabilities than anything else.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 13, 2011 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Best case scenario is that the new Commissioner forces then to out and the franchise goes to auction.

Then Mark Cuban can outbid everyone else and run the team like a it deserves to be run.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 13, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1

this

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by rexthejet on Dec 13, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he would be

the absolute perfect owner for the Mets, in terms of $$ and personality.

I’ll tell you where you can shove your OPS.

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by piazza62 on Dec 13, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If it goes to auction

there’s nothing he would be able to do to stop Cuban except hope for someone to outbid him.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 13, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

this isn't true, MLB still has to vet owners

this is a big reason Ryan got the rangers, they sold for less than the creditors would have forced if MLB didn’t have the right to refuse owners.

one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming

by Gina on Dec 13, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

After they rejected Cuban, he was able to get a court injunction or someting to force it to auction

where he was outbid by Ryan and friends.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Open Bankruptcy option trumps owner vetting ability since a bankruptcy auction is in theory open to anyone who wants to bid

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by blueandorange4life on Dec 14, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

But this isn't true in MLB because MLB owners have to be approved

they can go to open bankruptcy and win the auction and still not be approved. Even if Crane and Cuban had had a higher bid they auctioners there was a chance they wouldn’t be approved.

Selig was pleased that the bidding process will allow them to select the ownership group they wish to see installed, regardless of whether the Greenberg/Ryan group has the highest bid or not. Creditors for the Rangers have said repeatedly that Houston businessman Jim Crane has a higher bid on the table, which will play itself out should Crane pursue the purchase of the Rangers through the auction on July 16.

Selig pleased

"No one has suggested that any auction occur that in any way obviates MLB’s clear and unambiguous right to approve or disapprove any ownership candidate," he wrote in an e-mail. "There has been absolutely no discussion of that with either of the judges involved or the CRO."

MLB President Bob Dupoy

one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming

by Gina on Dec 14, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

also after the auction
Cuban, who has owned the Mavericks for 10 years, was very aggressive in his pursuit even though he just entered the picture last month. He aligned himself with Crane, who was after the Rangers from the beginning last year when Hicks first put the team up for sale.

Crane was one of three finalists for the team last winter along with a group headed by Dennis Gilbert, a former player’s agent and Beverly Hills insurance businessman. One of the reasons Greenberg was selected was because there were some doubts if Crane would be approved by Major League Baseball after backing out of an agreement to buy the Houston Astros from Drayton McLane two years ago.

source

one does not simply walk into mordor...unless winter is coming

by Gina on Dec 14, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Were basically waiting for Bud Selig to retire.

He likes the Wilpons to much to force them out. That would be his last option

by michael28102 on Dec 13, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

We are waiting for the judge to order Wilpon and Co to repay the money he got from Maddoff.

Then he is done.

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 14, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

So the Wilpons are either liars or morons with blinders.

I’d say both, really

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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 13, 2011 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

I disagree here

I think this is a bridge loan, plain and simple. Nothing nefarious behind it.

We already knew that the Mets were out of cash; that the team was swimming in debt it couldn’t service; and that they desperately needed to sell equity stakes in order to stay afloat. The only thing the bridge loan tells us is that they haven’t sold the equity stakes as quickly as they’d like to have, but really, we knew that too.

My guess is that the Wilpons are stuck in a delusion of their own making. They thought that a 33% non-voting stake in the team was worth $200m, and it turns out, it wasn’t. Now, they think that if they (literally) buy themselves more time to sell these $20m and $30m units, they’ll get favorable terms. This isn’t happening — and the problem with the bridge loan is that it’s just another mistake among many.

But I could be wrong. Maybe the team has investors lined up, but the investors want to wait until 2012 to make the purchase, for tax reasons. Or maybe the Mets want to wait to close until 2012 for some reason. Or something something, something something — there are literally dozens of legit reasons why the Wilpons would take a $40m bridge loan here.

In short: there are plenty of reasons to think the Mets are on the path to insolvency — but the bridge loan is one of the weakest ones we have.

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by Dan Lewis on Dec 13, 2011 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

I dont think so Dan.

I really think these guys are in deep, deep trouble and need this money just to stay afloat. if these minority stakes dont pan out then they are fucked…Fucked (noted the capital F).

I dont believe they will sell a single stake. its like the Titanic turning up in Liverpool with a giant gash down its side. “Who wants a ride?”

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 14, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

"Well, as you know, I always felt we tried to go a bridge too far" This movie is full of great quotes...and some of Sean Connory's best acting.

This is a story you will tell your grandchildren; and mightily bored they’ll be.

I thought everyone knew that God was a Scotsman.

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 14, 2011 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

R.A. Dickey is a Scotsman?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 14, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Dickey is a Scottish name and Tennessee was populated during the highland clearances by Scots.

Yes, Dickey is a Scotsman.

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by ScottfromPeekskill on Dec 14, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

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