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Thursday Morning Applesauce: Igarashi Finds New Home, Wilpons Still Can't Afford Him Anyway

Yesterday Dan Lewis did an excellent job trying to break down the financial mess that the Mets have found themselves in due to the Wilpon ownership. I hope most of you have taken the time to read it, because it's an awful lot more professionally done than much of what the New York media is capable of coming up with. I guess it's no surprise that MLB has reportedly taken notice, I'm just a little upset that it took them this long. If and when a new ownership group is installed I think their first order of business should be to raise capital by putting Picard jerseys up for sale on the team's website. If he ousts the Wilpons, I'd buy one and put it proudly next to my Beltran and Reyes ones.

New Met center fielder Andres Torres will be the subject of a movie coming out this year. The film will document his struggles with ADHD. Everything about the guy seems to be positive, so maybe the NY media will adore him as much as they do this guy. If only Carlos Beltran had been so lovable...

Now that the winter meeting TRAID rumors appear to have died some, the plan appears for Daniel Murphy to return to second base for next season. He'll likely be paired in the middle infield with Ruben Tejada, and Tejada's move to short will likely take some of the pressure off of Murph to perform. While those two may never anchor the greatest infield ever, they are certainly likely to produce an awful lot of bang for the Wilpons buck.

Star-divide

Jon Rauch seems to be raring to go for his new team. While he's probably not as good a value as Murphy or Tejada, it will be nice to trot out a reliever who's a little better than Ryota Igarashi on a regular basis. Speaking of Igarashi, he appears to have found a job with the Pirates. Maybe that was the player they actually signed when they announced signing an unnamed Met last month. Rauch may be needed more often if Adam Rubin is to be believed. Rubin found "sources" from another team to give us an update on Johan Santana. Thanks Adam.

In other Japanese baseball news, the Yu Darvish bidding came to a close yesterday. Most "experts" believe he'll be headed to Toronto, but the results should leak fairly soon. Fellow posted player Hiroyuki Nakajima had his bidding won by the Yankees, but it appears a signing is unlikely. Personally I'd like to see this whole bidding process scrapped.

FanGraphs took a look back at one of the most universally laughed at trades of the last year, the Colby Rasmus trade. I don't think there is a fan alive that expected the trade to work out the way it ultimately did, so maybe Angels fans can cross their fingers for a Vernon Wells miracle next season.

Non-Mets target Josh Willingham is off the market now. He's reportedly finalized a deal with the Minnesota Twins.

A trade was completed yesterday as well. Long time AAOP favorite Jed Lowrie was sent packing yesterday to the Houston Astros. I'm really surprised at the cost of Mark Melancon, and it really makes the Angel Pagan trade look a lot better in my eyes.

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thanks for posting the Torres link

I’m very curious to see how NY (and the tabloid guys) react to him. Around the Giants he was known to, literally every day, say hello to every person in the clubhouse and ask about their family. I recall one stretch last year when he was in Bochy’s doghouse and was sent out as a defensive replacement in CF… he stopped and greeted the 2B umpire on his way in after the inning ended.

Also, there’s a piece in the Post today about him.

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by natteringnabob on Dec 15, 2011 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

The more I read about Torres

The more I am going to be really pulling for him to regain some of those numbers from ’10. He really seems like a cool guy. Thanks for the comment.

by CCE718 on Dec 15, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Mets just signed Chuck James

Talk about a blast from the past.

by graves9 on Dec 15, 2011 10:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Sandy sez we need MOAR relievers

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by Michkin on Dec 15, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else getting a little

worried that our BP will be stellar this year and our SP staff won’t even put up the numbers they did last year?

by MetsFan4Decades on Dec 15, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The biggest number for the pitching staff that I'm concerned with is 205

I just don’t want to see Johan exceed that innings count, as that makes his vest fairly unlikely to achieve in 2013. Keep Bay under 500 PA’s as well and they both might actually be TRAIDable next offseason.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 15, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I certainly hope so

Even if he returns to old Johan form, I’d rather that vest be as hard to achieve as possible.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 15, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Our rotation is really crappy

2 good pitchers (Dickey, Niese), 2 barely-above-replacement with little upside (Gee, Pelf), 1 coming back from a serious shoulder injury and who knows who is replacing him. Our depth is made of pitchers just recently claimed or AAA/replacement lv or below.

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by Michkin on Dec 15, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The rotation in 2000 was pretty good.

Hampton, Leiter, Reed, Glendon Rusch and Bobby Jones. Certainly not the ‘86 Mets but Hampton and Leiter had strong seasons (though it’s funny how I never realized how awful Hampton’s peripherals were until now…99 walks? Yeesh).

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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 15, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hampton never gave up home runs though

That’s why he was so good in Houston and for the Mets. I say the Mets should have matched that offer from the Rockies, he more than earned his money and all we got was some sandwich round scrub.

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by piazza62 on Dec 16, 2011 8:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Knock on wood, of course but I think the SP will be a little better than last year.

Of course, that’s banking on Dickey being the same as the last two seasons, Niese and Gee showing some improvement (I’m hoping for a Niese breakout, personally, if they don’t deal him) and Pelfrey hopefully lucking into 2008/2010 Pelf (he seems to pitch well in even numbered years, for whatever reason). Beyond that, all they need is for Santana to be at or better than 2011 Chris Capuano. Seemingly a tall task but I think he could probably come back and at least throw up an ~4.00 ERA at worst.

Of course, this is the Mets. The exact opposite could happen and it’d be totally plausible. Or everyone gets injured and the rotation is filled with Miguel Batista, Chris Schwinden, Collin McHugh, Jeremy Hefner and Garrett Olson.

Yeah, probably that one.

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by Steve Schreiber on Dec 15, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If you get rid of the posting system, what do you replace it with?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2011 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

I'd open it up to a soccer style open negotiation

That way a team can’t make a bid just to block a competitor (I’m pretty sure that’s what the Yankees just did), and the player doesn’t get stuck going to a place he doesn’t want to. Right now these guys have no chance to earn a market rate contract after putting in 7-8 seasons as a pro. These guys are established veterans in their own leagues, giving them a chance to have at least some say in their destination and receive a little negotiating power seems fair to me.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 15, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

How does soccer do it?

If open bidding started, you run into a bunch of problems right off the bat. You’d have to restructure the NPBPA (I’ll call it that) agreement with the NPB regarding how contracts work, regarding domestic and international free agency. What would prevent Japan from turning into a source of players, and not a baseball venue (The Caribbean or DR, for example, have plenty of players but don’t have a strong baseball league, like the U.S., or Japan)? If multiple teams can negotiate with a player/team, the end result still is that the richer ones have the advantage.

When players qualify for international free agency, if they have enough time put in (nine seasons), they can come over to the U.S. It’s when they’re younger that teams post them for monetary gain. They still have bargaining leverage, though- if they don’t like the team, or their contract, they just don’t accept. That’s what Iwakuma did, since Oakland wasn’t bargaining in good faith, and he was asking for too much. That’s why Darvish has a hell of a lot of leverage- he doesn’t have to sign with anyone, and has said he’d be fine with playing in Japan again if he doesn’t get the ~$20 million dollars he’s asking for.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve knows more about this than me

But the only real difference is the player would have to approve of the team he is transferred (posted) too. The team then negotiates a transfer fee with the NPB team that holds the rights to the player. Then the player negotiates a contract with the MLB team that gains his rights. The only real difference would be the player approval, and more transparency in the bidding process.

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by Jeffrey Paternostro on Dec 15, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You pretty much nailed it

The “selling” team is free to negotiate a fee with anyone they choose and when the framework of the deal is agreed to usually the player begins to negotiate with the buying team. The benefit really does end up being for the player, as the team could always choose to “sell” to another team if the high bidder can’t come to terms with the player. Big market clubs will still have an advantage, but it stops that potential mega-bid which would be to simply keep the player from a rival.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 15, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You're modifying the bidding process then, not eliminating it

I was talking with someone on Facebook who doesn’t like the system that exists now, but nothing he suggested seemed viable; the posting system is the only thing that makes sense. Modifying it, that’s just working the kinks out and isn’t any real major overhaul or fundamental change.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be a pretty major change

Instead of sealed bids, you’d just be allowing the Japanese club to negotiate at will. The posting process would pretty much be gone.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 15, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

A team is still bidding on right

That’s the heart of the posting system. That it’s a sealed one-time bid prevents escalating bidding wars.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2011 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Using a soccer style transfer system wouldn't be a one time bid

It would probably involve the occasional bidding war, but it might well also prevent ridiculous overpays like Dice-K and Igawa when a team is basically bidding against an unknown market. It also would pretty much assure that players who want to leave and who’s teams are willing to let them go can definitely find a home that suits them.

by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 15, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

How is that done?

Any, how would a draft system be implemented with Japan having a very well established and regarded baseball league? As in, players in the Caribbean don’t have anything to “keep” them there, so they aspire to hit the MLB.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 15, 2011 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It would be similar to how the NHL has dealt with the Russian clubs.

I don’t know the specifics, but I believe that the drafting team has to compensate the other team in accordance with IIHF regulations.

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by Ogre39666 on Dec 15, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The lack of an international governing body is what makes this issue so much harder in baseball

For as problematic as that makes it, I do prefer that, though.

I recall reading somewhere that baseball is all about semi-independent fiefdoms. Even on a grander scale, this rings true: All of the MLB is one independent unit, all of the NPB, all of the Dutch HH, all of the Taiwanese CPL, and so on.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 16, 2011 3:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No governing international body would be problematic.

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Selfish married Beltran

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