Edgardo Alfonzo Left Off Hall Of Fame Ballot
The 2012 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot was released Wednesday, featuring 13 new names in addition to the 14 holdovers from last year. None of the 13 additions to the ballot are worthy of induction but simply being included on the ballot is a nice tribute. It's a simple way of recognizing good-not-great players and giving fans a reason to check out some old Baseball-Reference pages. Who knew Brad Radke had such a fine career?
Unfortunately, top 10 all-time Met Edgardo Alfonzo was left off the ballot despite being eligible, while the likes of Ruben Sierra and the atrocious Tony Womack were included. Here is a look at where Fonzie ranks compared to the 13 new additions through the lens of wins above replacement (WAR). rWAR = Baseball-Reference WAR; fWAR = FanGraphs WAR:
Alfonzo is 5th in rWAR and 6th in fWAR within this group. He's certainly more deserving than Eric Young, Vinny Castilla and Phil Nevin, in addition to the aforementioned Sierra and Womack. Four of his seasons were elite and another four were averageish. His prime years were spent with the Mets. However, he fell off a cliff after signing with the Giants following the 2002 season and was out of MLB for good by age 32 in 2006. Perhaps longevity was an issue for the ballot makers. Still, his OBP-heavy 104 OPS+, combined with terrific defense and solid baserunning, made for a quietly valuable career. Even if approximately half of that career value was accumulated during one transcendent, 6-for-6, 3-homer night in Houston in 1999.
Matthew Pouliot of HardballTalks says "it's a crime that Edgardo Alfonzo isn't on the Hall of Fame ballot." I'll stop just short of that, but seeing the third member of The Best Infield Ever make the ballot would have provided a warm, Hall of Fame-sanctioned moment of nostalgia for Bobby V's Mets. And offered some hope that the Veterans' Committee will take a second look at Rey Ordonez's career.
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Wow I forgot Brian Jordan was so productive
Its interesting how he gets no love when people talk about the two sport freaks. The discussion goes Bo and Deon, but Brian Jordan was a very good Saftey and a very good OF.
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And offered some hope that the Veterans’ Committee will take a second look at Rey Ordonez’s career.
that might be going a little too far, but hey he was a great fielder.
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rey ordonez for the hof!!!
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by Dandy Salderson on Dec 3, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
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must be digging a grave so he can spin in it.
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 2, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions
i think longevity was the issue
he only played 12 years, and 3 of them he didn’t even start. fonzie had three 6+ WAR years, one 5 WAR and a 3.he didn’t crack 2 every other year. although i don’t think fonzie is a hof, i do think he is more deserving then many of the others listed. and the fact that fonzie accumilated that total in only 9 full years, while the others played more years then him is pretty impressive. javy lopez played 15, burnitz 14, young 15, castilla 16, nevin 12, sierra 21 (are you serious?) and womack 13. looking at all these guys stats, the problem that seems to come up is that some of these guys have great rbi numbers. castilla is on the ballot because he got 100+ rbi’s consistently. funny enough, when you search many of these guys names, steroids keeps on popping up. fozie got robbed.
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longevity is a terrible argument
of womack’s 13 seasons, he was worth negative WAR in 6 of them. he reached 1+ WAR only once — in his career-best 3.2 WAR ’04 — while reaching -1 or more twice.
nevin was negative in 7 of his 12 seasons, ruben sierra in 10 of his 20.
what good is longevity if all you’re doing is hanging around and pulling your team down?
and if we want to hit on the common HOF debate about dominating in a player’s best years, alfonzo is the only player on the above list with a 7 WAR season to his name — going by BR — as well as more than one season of 6.5+ WAR. aside from bernie williams i feel fonzie is the best player on this list and i don’t even think it’s that debateable. i’ll continue arguing him as the most underrated player of the late 90’s/early aughts.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 2, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Fonzie and TIm Salmon would have been much better than Bernie Williams
if it wasn’t for the damn injuries.
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You only need to play 10 years to be eligible,
so I don’t see any logical reason for Fonzie to be left off the ballot.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 2, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Wile I don't think he should even be considered for the HoF
The fact that guys like Womack, Mollholland, and Nevin are on the ballot and Alfonzo isn’t just points out the flawed process.
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I agree
I wouldn’t put Alfonzo in the Hall of Fame, but it pisses me off that he was left off the ballot while these other guys were put on. Tony Womack? Really? I am too young to remember any of these guys, but looking at his stats I don’t see how he can be considered good by any standards, classic or sabermetric. Being nominated for the Hall of Fame is an honor unto itself, and its a shame that Alfonzo can’t say that about himself.
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by Bobby Baseball on Dec 2, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Womack was perceived as a good glove, slap hitting IF with speed.
In reality he wast all that good in the field and downright horrible at the plate. The speed part was the only part that rings true.
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by Bobby Baseball on Dec 3, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Looking over Fonzie's career arc
I cant help but question his listed age. Move the DOB back two years and it makes a whole lot more sense. Just saying.
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Ok?
"Amazing strength, amazing power - he can grind the dust out of the bat. He will be great, super even wonderful. Now, if he can only learn to catch a fly ball."
-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda
He did suffer from back problems, though.
That’s a pretty good explanation for his early decline, and he wouldn’t be the first 3B to have that problem.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 4, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
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by Dandy Salderson on Dec 4, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't slept well since Ed Kranepool was taken off the ballot.Eddie's fate now rests with the Veteran
Committee to right this injustice while ED-DIE is still alive!
Never mind Krane
We need to have George Theodore's injustice reversed first.
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Fonzie was my favorite player ever
and this really, really annoys me. Fuck the Hall of Fame.
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Maybe it's because he isn't even retired yet
He’s still DHing in the VFL. Remember when he tried to make a comeback in 06 when he joined the org from the independent league?
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-Casey Stengel on Lucas Duda
Yeah, he might not have filed his retirement papers right away.
I think that’s usually where the BBWAA starts the 5 year clock from.
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by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 4, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions

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